I'm getting waaay off topic and I really don't mind being down-modded for it (as it should be), but, I think I see where my problem was.
I just reread all the ancestor posts and the article, and not a single one mentioned the word American, so your post is the one that introduced it. It's not that I don't understand asides, it's that the aside didn't seem to have anything to do with the conversation. (to me at the time).
It appears the context for that introduction was because the phrase "Hold your feet to the fire" is a Usaian* phrase.
In my work, I bounce between several languages normally,am quite used to idiomatic phrases, and have become adept at absorbing their meaning, even if their root is from another culture. I just didn't "notice" the Usa-inness of the phrase, so I was confused as to why the USA/America thing was brought in.
But "Caras vemos, corazones no sabemos" (to each his own... or in this usage "we each see the language usage differently")
* Hard to type, but I kinda** like it... (pronounced you-say-un?) ** "kinda", a short form of "kinda of", an idiom meaning "a little bit" (see also "sort of"), so I hope I don't offend too many nonUSA-ian English speakers with its usage... =-), or (^_^) for our Japanese readers.
I went back and read the parent comment a couple times, and didn't see "American" mentioned... where did this come from?
> * I am an American, since I live in the American continent. Calling the US "America" is foolish.
Seems more lazy or annoying than foolish to me.
Most folks don't want to say "residents of the United States of America" every time... just easier to say Americans. If someone from Switzerland referred to themselves as European, would that be foolish as well? They're on the continent, but not a member of the Union. I'm sorry, I should have written "Swiss Confederation", Switzerland is just an informal name and I don't want to be foolish. =-)
Then again, without the context "American" came into this with, I can't guess how in appropriate its usage really was.
>Now, understand that these people are paid by the hour. I'm not wasting their time, I'm wasting their employers time.
Not quite... They do get paid by the hour, but if you fall under a certain number of calls per hour, you get fired./Not trying to support the callers//But it's important to understand the effect you have on others
If someone steals my truck, does no damage to it, and returns it a week later with a full tank of gas and a thank you note... should that person not be charged with theft?
I got my truck back. During that week it was gone, I didn't have it... much like this guy won't have his virtual furniture until an admin returns it.
Making a bomb isn't something that's socially acceptable in general; drinking is. A bomb is designed explicitly to explode and cause damage; alcoholic drinks are not. Nobody's experienced such a thing as a safe bomb. Lots of people have had a drink and felt no ill effects from it. There's no way to accidentally make a bomb and leave it around... Under current definitions of DUI, it is entirely possible to accidentally DUI.
Ounce of prevention? That only goes so far... Should I be arrested for having a drink at my house in private because I might go driving later? Should we ban alcohol because of the amount of damage it enables?
The fear of having your penalties amplified, and the fact that you did something demonstrably dangerous would, I think, be enough to keep the fence-sitters away from Driving under the influence. For the rest... nothing you can do it going to stop them. It will bring some respect back to the law itself, and then social pressures even end up helping to enforce the safety.
Gotcha... so once you get a pacemaker, never leave the hospital; since nothing else you can do will perfectly cover the circumstances. It's just not worth trying to keep that additional "edge" over death.
Agreed... however, I want to drop DUI from the books. If you do something dumb, you should get spanked. If you do something dumb while on a cell phone or DUI, then you should get spanked, spanked, and spanked some more. If you manage to get through without doing something dumb... no spanking.
At various points over the years I've had do do something server-ish that was new to me. On the Linux side, assuming I could find "the manuals" for what I was doing, they were often incomplete, out of date, didn't apply to my environment, and had a nearly endless list of other manuals that needed to absorb/understand at the same time.
More often the "manuals" were half documented notes or abandoned discussion threads on forums that may not have even existed at the same URL anymore.
And now that you've got that covered and you're testing your new server, it turns out that there is something peculiar in your environment that just doesn't get along very well with it because whoever developed your thing didn't think that was important enough to include for them. (Sure, I could contribute, but I really just want to solve this problem and I've already a couple levels of complexity beyond where I wanted to be)
Sometimes I just want something that works and move on to real work
Movies have not solved that problem at all. There are very few 4 star movies, just like there are very few "perfect" games. There are some phenominally crappy 2 star movies, and there are some that are underrated. There isn't an actual criteria behind each star.
All "100" really means is that there are 100 possible stars... and everyone I know treats it that way. That is, if one game got 70, one got 80, then we know both are rated at similar quality. And having played other games in that range, I have an idea what that quality is.
When you boil multi-dimensonal factors down into a single number, something is going to get lost... just learn to deal with it. Or scrap it. The movies have "dealt" with it, not scrapped it.
I was at an internal discussion given by one of the big MPAA names awhile back, and that was their mantra.
How are we going to deal with Piracy? Compete! We will make a better product, and people will pay a reasonable price. People will pay $20.00 to get an excellent copy of a movie with extras and good graphics, even if they already shelled out $2 for that pirated cam version so they could get it earlier.
I'm so sad to see that sentiment get drowned out years later.
It still sounds like you're really sampling the derivative of the waveform, and not the waveform itself, so NyQuist still wouldn't directly apply. (Funny things happen to waves when you derive them)
If I understand it correctly, the Delta part of the name is really where the 1 bit stuff kicks in... comparisons to previous states. So, the 1-bit doesn't represent an on-off of the sample itself, it represents a "step"; so you're not really sampling the signal with 1 bit.
You're sampling changes in the waveform, not the waveform itself, in which case NyQuist still doesn't directly apply. You can apply NyQuist to the integrated signal, but that takes you away from the 1 bit part.
yeah, I am talking waaaaay out of my depth here, so I'd love someone to correct me.
>no matter how high a sampling rate is, it can never contain all of the data present in an analog groove, Nyquist's theorem to the contrary."
Sure, I could sample at 1 bazillion hertz, but if I'm only sampling at 1 bit I'm not going to be reproducing the original signal very well, since my sample size isn't high enough to differentiate the data I care about. And if I can't tell what data looks like, Nyquist can't tell me anything about how much sampling I need to do in order to capture it accurately.
Nyquist doesn't directly say anything about the sample size (8 bits, 16 bits, etc, just the sample rate (22 KHz, etc).
That's hardly a quick/easy operation, which is what was implied by GP.
What you wrote above, I can apply to Windows just about as well.
I can usually copy the Program's directory, fish out the major Registry entries, and for some of the more complicated programs fish out their DLLs pretty easily.
The only time I really run into trouble is with certain pieces of software that actually fingerprint the machine during install
> He is trying to force his daughter to respect copyrights and not to leave it up her choice.
I thought the usual complaint here was that people weren't trying to tell their kids what to do, but letting them do whatever they want. Good job on being different =-)
> Additionally, he doesnt even consider to tell her that things like fair use exist and that the way she plans to use it most probably falls under fair use
That's not what I got out of the article. Its entirely possible he explained that, but decided that putting it on Youtube takes it squarely out of fair use. (A debated topic at levels well beyond that of he understanding of a nine year old). It's his job as a parent to interpret the laws for his children. If he interprets them in such a way that it differs from the opinion of a bunch of lawyers that don't have consensus... who can blame him?
> What he is teaching her is complete and total submission to copyright holders, forever
Bull.
My biggest problem in trying to educate folks about this whole topic is that they just don't understand the impact. They don't get that just because they haven't been thrown in prison for doing it doesn't mean the law doesn't allow someone else to destroy their life over something that should be clear black/white fairuse.
The difference between "The law doesn't explicitly forbid this particular instance, so I should be safe" and "The law doesn't explicitly protect this instance, so I could be destroyed". If you don't see that #2 is possible, you won't care about changing the law when you have much more important things your busy ignoring.
I do something very similar to this guys with my 16 year old, but I make it clear that "yes, this should be fair use, but..." It annoys the piss out of her the things she can't do but should be able to. So when she's registered to vote, she will actually care enough about the topic to do something about it. (Beyond the letters she's already written)
>There I was, in my mid-30s with 18-year-olds all around, who were more interested in Napster and trying to download porn onto the school computers than actually learning the skills they needed. They used to razz me quite a bit, but I got through the whole set of courses with a 4.0 because I had the logical background that made going from pseudo-code to finished program easier.
I would venture a guess that you didn't really have that focus either when you were their age. I know I didn't. I went back in my late 20's to finish my degree, and it was an entirely different experience for me, and the other "old guy" in the classes was similar. The "kids" really scared us, but I can only imagine that I looked similar.
Unless you're writing a legal document or performing legal analysis, the difference really doesn't matter.
To most people I've talked to "Copyright infringement" IS a form of stealing, since they personalize the issue. (If I wrote a book and people infringed the copyright by making their own copy and selling it, they're efectively stealing money from me.)
You know what else is damaging for your company? Getting sued into oblivion because someone on your staff was offended by something someone else said, and you did nothing to protect them.
>if they don't comply they get contempt of congress. Why isn't this happening? I
Having been subpoena'd, I can imagine... You can object to the subpoena. They'd have a pretty powerful objection in the "The president told us not to talk", and it's not clear to us he doesn't have that authority. For this specific issue, Congress should order the records held in escrow, and go after whoever in the Executive branch is causing this confusion.
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I'm getting waaay off topic and I really don't mind being down-modded for it (as it should be), but, I think I see where my problem was.
I just reread all the ancestor posts and the article, and not a single one mentioned the word American, so your post is the one that introduced it.
It's not that I don't understand asides, it's that the aside didn't seem to have anything to do with the conversation. (to me at the time).
It appears the context for that introduction was because the phrase "Hold your feet to the fire" is a Usaian* phrase.
In my work, I bounce between several languages normally,am quite used to idiomatic phrases, and have become adept at absorbing their meaning, even if their root is from another culture.
I just didn't "notice" the Usa-inness of the phrase, so I was confused as to why the USA/America thing was brought in.
But "Caras vemos, corazones no sabemos" (to each his own... or in this usage "we each see the language usage differently")
* Hard to type, but I kinda** like it... (pronounced you-say-un?)
** "kinda", a short form of "kinda of", an idiom meaning "a little bit" (see also "sort of"), so I hope I don't offend too many nonUSA-ian English speakers with its usage... =-), or (^_^) for our Japanese readers.
I went back and read the parent comment a couple times, and didn't see "American" mentioned... where did this come from?
> * I am an American, since I live in the American continent. Calling the US "America" is foolish.
Seems more lazy or annoying than foolish to me.
Most folks don't want to say "residents of the United States of America" every time... just easier to say Americans.
If someone from Switzerland referred to themselves as European, would that be foolish as well? They're on the continent, but not a member of the Union.
I'm sorry, I should have written "Swiss Confederation", Switzerland is just an informal name and I don't want to be foolish. =-)
Then again, without the context "American" came into this with, I can't guess how in appropriate its usage really was.
>Now, understand that these people are paid by the hour. I'm not wasting their time, I'm wasting their employers time.
/Not trying to support the callers //But it's important to understand the effect you have on others
Not quite... They do get paid by the hour, but if you fall under a certain number of calls per hour, you get fired.
If someone steals my truck, does no damage to it, and returns it a week later with a full tank of gas and a thank you note... should that person not be charged with theft?
I got my truck back.
During that week it was gone, I didn't have it... much like this guy won't have his virtual furniture until an admin returns it.
Dunno... doesn't seem so cut/dry.
I doubt it.
From what I've seen at my company, that also warrants the "has decided to move on in his career" treatment.
Making a bomb isn't something that's socially acceptable in general; drinking is.
A bomb is designed explicitly to explode and cause damage; alcoholic drinks are not.
Nobody's experienced such a thing as a safe bomb. Lots of people have had a drink and felt no ill effects from it.
There's no way to accidentally make a bomb and leave it around... Under current definitions of DUI, it is entirely possible to accidentally DUI.
Ounce of prevention? That only goes so far... Should I be arrested for having a drink at my house in private because I might go driving later? Should we ban alcohol because of the amount of damage it enables?
The fear of having your penalties amplified, and the fact that you did something demonstrably dangerous would, I think, be enough to keep the fence-sitters away from Driving under the influence. For the rest... nothing you can do it going to stop them. It will bring some respect back to the law itself, and then social pressures even end up helping to enforce the safety.
Gotcha... so once you get a pacemaker, never leave the hospital; since nothing else you can do will perfectly cover the circumstances. It's just not worth trying to keep that additional "edge" over death.
Agreed... however, I want to drop DUI from the books.
If you do something dumb, you should get spanked.
If you do something dumb while on a cell phone or DUI, then you should get spanked, spanked, and spanked some more.
If you manage to get through without doing something dumb... no spanking.
That's why I just send them lottery tickets =-)
Figure there's a chance I'll make one really happy kid. Why people hate making kids really happy so much?
> Linux box (read: don't want to RTFM) are
This sort of comment annoys me to no end.
At various points over the years I've had do do something server-ish that was new to me.
On the Linux side, assuming I could find "the manuals" for what I was doing, they were often incomplete, out of date, didn't apply to my environment, and had a nearly endless list of other manuals that needed to absorb/understand at the same time.
More often the "manuals" were half documented notes or abandoned discussion threads on forums that may not have even existed at the same URL anymore.
And now that you've got that covered and you're testing your new server, it turns out that there is something peculiar in your environment that just doesn't get along very well with it because whoever developed your thing didn't think that was important enough to include for them. (Sure, I could contribute, but I really just want to solve this problem and I've already a couple levels of complexity beyond where I wanted to be)
Sometimes I just want something that works and move on to real work
Movies have not solved that problem at all. There are very few 4 star movies, just like there are very few "perfect" games.
There are some phenominally crappy 2 star movies, and there are some that are underrated.
There isn't an actual criteria behind each star.
All "100" really means is that there are 100 possible stars... and everyone I know treats it that way.
That is, if one game got 70, one got 80, then we know both are rated at similar quality. And having played other games in that range, I have an idea what that quality is.
When you boil multi-dimensonal factors down into a single number, something is going to get lost... just learn to deal with it. Or scrap it.
The movies have "dealt" with it, not scrapped it.
I was at an internal discussion given by one of the big MPAA names awhile back, and that was their mantra.
How are we going to deal with Piracy? Compete!
We will make a better product, and people will pay a reasonable price.
People will pay $20.00 to get an excellent copy of a movie with extras and good graphics, even if they already shelled out $2 for that pirated cam version so they could get it earlier.
I'm so sad to see that sentiment get drowned out years later.
Who knows, maybe his company decomm'd a bunch of PIX's, and he's got one sitting behind every machine in his house?
It still sounds like you're really sampling the derivative of the waveform, and not the waveform itself, so NyQuist still wouldn't directly apply. (Funny things happen to waves when you derive them)
If I understand it correctly, the Delta part of the name is really where the 1 bit stuff kicks in... comparisons to previous states.
So, the 1-bit doesn't represent an on-off of the sample itself, it represents a "step"; so you're not really sampling the signal with 1 bit.
You're sampling changes in the waveform, not the waveform itself, in which case NyQuist still doesn't directly apply. You can apply NyQuist to the integrated signal, but that takes you away from the 1 bit part.
yeah, I am talking waaaaay out of my depth here, so I'd love someone to correct me.
>no matter how high a sampling rate is, it can never contain all of the data present in an analog groove, Nyquist's theorem to the contrary."
Sure, I could sample at 1 bazillion hertz, but if I'm only sampling at 1 bit I'm not going to be reproducing the original signal very well, since my sample size isn't high enough to differentiate the data I care about. And if I can't tell what data looks like, Nyquist can't tell me anything about how much sampling I need to do in order to capture it accurately.
Nyquist doesn't directly say anything about the sample size (8 bits, 16 bits, etc, just the sample rate (22 KHz, etc).
That's hardly a quick/easy operation, which is what was implied by GP.
What you wrote above, I can apply to Windows just about as well.
I can usually copy the Program's directory, fish out the major Registry entries, and for some of the more complicated programs fish out their DLLs pretty easily.
The only time I really run into trouble is with certain pieces of software that actually fingerprint the machine during install
Yeah... see how easy it is move your Photoshop install from one machine to another =-)
> He is trying to force his daughter to respect copyrights and not to leave it up her choice.
I thought the usual complaint here was that people weren't trying to tell their kids what to do, but letting them do whatever they want. Good job on being different =-)
> Additionally, he doesnt even consider to tell her that things like fair use exist and that the way she plans to use it most probably falls under fair use
That's not what I got out of the article. Its entirely possible he explained that, but decided that putting it on Youtube takes it squarely out of fair use. (A debated topic at levels well beyond that of he understanding of a nine year old). It's his job as a parent to interpret the laws for his children. If he interprets them in such a way that it differs from the opinion of a bunch of lawyers that don't have consensus... who can blame him?
> What he is teaching her is complete and total submission to copyright holders, forever
Bull.
My biggest problem in trying to educate folks about this whole topic is that they just don't understand the impact. They don't get that just because they haven't been thrown in prison for doing it doesn't mean the law doesn't allow someone else to destroy their life over something that should be clear black/white fairuse.
The difference between "The law doesn't explicitly forbid this particular instance, so I should be safe" and "The law doesn't explicitly protect this instance, so I could be destroyed". If you don't see that #2 is possible, you won't care about changing the law when you have much more important things your busy ignoring.
I do something very similar to this guys with my 16 year old, but I make it clear that "yes, this should be fair use, but..." It annoys the piss out of her the things she can't do but should be able to. So when she's registered to vote, she will actually care enough about the topic to do something about it. (Beyond the letters she's already written)
>There I was, in my mid-30s with 18-year-olds all around, who were more interested in Napster and trying to download porn onto the school computers than actually learning the skills they needed. They used to razz me quite a bit, but I got through the whole set of courses with a 4.0 because I had the logical background that made going from pseudo-code to finished program easier.
I would venture a guess that you didn't really have that focus either when you were their age. I know I didn't.
I went back in my late 20's to finish my degree, and it was an entirely different experience for me, and the other "old guy" in the classes was similar.
The "kids" really scared us, but I can only imagine that I looked similar.
Unless you're writing a legal document or performing legal analysis, the difference really doesn't matter.
To most people I've talked to "Copyright infringement" IS a form of stealing, since they personalize the issue. (If I wrote a book and people infringed the copyright by making their own copy and selling it, they're efectively stealing money from me.)
What about Windows NT 3.1?
You know what else is damaging for your company?
Getting sued into oblivion because someone on your staff was offended by something someone else said, and you did nothing to protect them.
>if they don't comply they get contempt of congress. Why isn't this happening? I
Having been subpoena'd, I can imagine... You can object to the subpoena. They'd have a pretty powerful objection in the "The president told us not to talk", and it's not clear to us he doesn't have that authority.
For this specific issue, Congress should order the records held in escrow, and go after whoever in the Executive branch is causing this confusion.
http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/2006/11/judge-grants-marie-lindors-motion-to_09.html is pretty close to that. ...Furthermore, Lindor provides a sworn affidavit asserting that plaintiffs' actual damages are 70 cents per recording and that plaintiffs seek statutory damages under the Copyright Act that are 1,071 times the actual damages suffered.