As others have pointed out, the people who publish todays articles are pretty clueless about what's actually going on. Not all but many and this is proof of another.
The author of the results/comments most likely does not know what GNU is and he probably thinks OSS is Linux( not GNU/Linux but just Linux ). His comments about Lara Croft/etc shows that he thinks the OSS community consists mostly of high school kids. The guy is WAY out of date. IMHO.
ya ya but the Crush Kill Destroy mentality of Microsofts monopoly all but eliminated the true concept of open/interoperable standards. With the rise of GNU/Linux and Open Source, the term open standards is associated with open source.
It's the same thing in the computer/IT sector. More and more the management has no technical skills, just business skills. But these people are the ones who decide what technology is best. Why the NASA management wouldn't point a telescope at the Shuttle when engineers felt there was need for more information is beyond me. Most likely it was purely a financial decision.
15 years ago, it was very common for technical people to fill management positions up through middle management with the Chief Engineer over seeing all the technical departments and reporting directly to the top level management. Today, we're luck to get technical expertise beyond the department/group managment level.
This isn't a NASA-only problem. It's an industry wide problem. For example, the CSX RailRoad had it's signaling system go down because the computers running all those signals runs Microsoft Windows and got a virus. Who but a non-technical managager would insist Windows be used in a mission critical task like this? This might not be a good example because I have no proof it was a management decision while it very well be a technical moron made the choice and dumb PHB's followed the advice. The choice should not have been followed if a technically savy management existed.
There's also been a dumbing down of the technical sector with all these I-can-click-an-icon-therefore-I'm-a-computer-exper t people running around the industry now. But that has nothing to do with the Shuttle and NASA. Those engineers were/are capable of the tasks at hand.
Does anybody else think that management making technical decisions no longer make them with much regard to input from the engineers anymore?
yes and it's a very wrong perception. The 2000-2003 model Prius didn't help that either. O-60 in something like 13 seconds but that was mostly because Toyota doesn't let the power get to the motor. The 2004 Prius does it in 10 seconds.
What will turn that perception around is when the hybrid car makers build a car that lets all the power get dumped to the motor. Let them burn rubber for a minute or two and feel what electric power feels like. They'll get lower than average MPG the next few miles but big deal. It'll still be more efficient than the straight ICE cars but have some of the FEEL of a pure electric. It'll be the turning point for hybrid sales IMHO.
The new Prius is 1/10th the cost too but it's really not the same. Too bad those batteries are so expensive. Not too unlike what fuel cells cars will be.
Balmer: "Ok, I'm on it... We'll wrap all this with some stuff we'll patent and then base our development environment on it. They'll never know what hit em."
Gates: "Exactly. I knew I didn't need to tell you how important it is that this runs 'best' on Windows"
Balmer: "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.:)"
Gates: "Sell another 10k shares of stock. You deserve it."
Likewise, hypothetical but more realistic IMHO. I just can't imagine Bill and Steve talking about something without considering how to "Windows-ize" it.
Others have pointed this out but here's my shot at it. Microsoft is putting up another "we are for open standards" flag. The market is finally getting it with regards to keeping doors open( open standards ) and Microsoft needs to tell people they'll be part of that. Ie, don't shut the door. You basically asked, 'how will Microsoft shut the door'? By getting it's foot into a standard( SOAP ), showing that it plays with others( recent PR ) and then getting developers to use Microsoft tools to build systems using the technology. Those tools will generate code which requries Microsofts proprietary platform( MS.Net ).
Look at it this way. All the developers building to SOAP on a Microsoft dev env are like butterflies flying in free and open air. Soothing music is playing and all is good. Then, along comes the MS.Net and swipes them from the sky.
It's how they killed all the C++ framework platforms out there. Giving away MS VC-- at a loss to hook em and lock them into the MS Windows platform. IMHO. LoB
Kinda like Microsoft where they haven't been successful outside of the PC desktop/low-end server market.
Very good point and it's why a free market is a more inventive one. Kinda like evolution. New ideas push old ones asside when they have a distinct advantage. Of course this all requires a "free" market and we all know the current technology market isn't free with Microsoft's unrestrained monopoly.
There in lies the reason for Microsoft doing this demo with IBM. They will show that they can play in the open standards arena but will make anybody who wants to do it on Windows, do it with their tools. The MS.Net framework is proprietary and a lockin. Just like Microsoft held out XML for 2 years and said that MS Office would use XML, they then circumvented the usefulness of those claims in their implementation.
This is just bait. Bite this and they'll have you on their hook.
Dave_Poor_TechGuy is a dumb technician then. Porting to Java and XML( Open Standards ) is why the company CAN move to Linux.
How would this sound? We are porting to MS.Net so that we can run our business on any operating system we see fit for the job. Sounds pretty stupid doesn't it.
Just because the "Braindead_CIO" is doing what others are doing doesn't make him/her more braindead. The others are doing it because it's a better choice. Heck, it affords them choice at every turn. Unlike Microsoft software....
it's business not charity. They declare the value of the software "donated" at retail pricing. That is a huge markup and write-off. So they can spread the PR that they are a "good" company, perpetuate the MS-Windows way, while also getting a great write off.
forget about more expensive service because there's less wear and tear on the most commonly serviced parts( engine, transmission, breaks ). Atleast with the Toyota Hybrid System, the engine mostly runs at optimzed speeds, spins up before firing. With regenerative braking there's less wear on the brakes and there is no real transmission. It's just a single planetary gear system.
Couple that with even a little tax deduction and you're ahead of the game in a couple of years. Not to mention the pleasure of not watching the gas guage and knowing you're putting 1/2 the CO2 and 1/10th of the other gases of a comparible ICE-Only vehicle.
not so fast. Have you seen anything about Eolas going after anybody else besides Microsoft? I could be wrong but I remember reading that Eolas is only going to go after Microsoft for this.
I got the impression that for some reason, they just don't like Microsoft. If that were true, then all other browsers besided the one built into MS Windows, would have no problem with Flash, Java applets, etc. Even Mozilla/Netscape on MS Windows would be fine. It would just mean MS Internet Explorer couldn't do plugins.
It would seem to make sense to just license the technology and be done with it wouldn't it? So why are they going for a change that'll force everybody to change/update their MS OS.. I mean MS browser?
There was something quite a while back about Eolas not looking to "be friends" with Microsoft and that they had no intension of going after anybody else. This would mean that any "negotiations" with Microsoft wouldn't go so well and they would most likely not be willing to pay the licensing fees Eolas would want.
Does this "ring a bell" with anybody else or would there be another reason MS would go for the full rip and rewrite option they seem to be going for?
Well yes. DimensionX was purchased to keep Netscape out of the picture. Actually, it ended up knocking down 3 pins because the DimensionX APIs were being used by company for it's development tool for the Netscape browser. It used Java technology and Sun Microsystems was interested in purchasing them( DimensionX ).
Microsoft came in and purchased the company to: 1) Keep a tool used for Netscape off the market 2) Keep Java technology off the market( ala Coopers & Peters ) 3) Keep Sun for getting a good Java technology.
I know this because I know one of the founders of DimensionX. This deal was great for Microsoft, good for DimensionX and bad for Netscape and bad for Sun. It was also bad for the tech community because the market was not allowed to choose the best product for the job. This kind of "business" is the exact reason why I recommend everybody stay away from Microsoft products. The company is anti-innovation, NOT pro-innovation like they say they are. IMHO.
the awareness is already starting. I met someone at a party who works for Time-Warner/Roadrunner and they are well aware of GNU/Linux. A friend and her 2 daughters now run GNU/Linux because they got sick of Windows getting virii and breaking( I set the system up for them ). And recently, my younger brother tried a Knoppix CD I gave him and is now replacing MS Windows with GNU/Linux.
The awareness is starting to take hold and every win32 email virus, every win32 worm, and every MS Windows system crash opens their eyes to this thing called GNU/Linux that they keep hearing about. IMHO.
it seems to have been missed but the $23 million to BE Inc was AFTER LEGAL FEES. Who knows how much they(lawyers) negotiated for. I'm with you though, Microsoft seems to have a standard of around $150 million which they'll pay for hijacked technology or will pay for the right to make sure Windows REMAINS DOMINANT( in this case ).
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if most people would just be smarter about what they purchase, it would go a long way in saving energy and $$$. Compact Fluorescent bulbs use about 1/4 the power and last much much longer than incandescent bulbs. A front-load washing machine uses about 1/4 the water and again, less energy than a top-load washer. And talk about automobiles; Honda and Toyota have hybrid vehicles on the road today which get over 50MPG and put out about 1/10 the emmisions of a similarly equipted car. Toyota will have a van and SUV soon that'll have the same setup and still plenty of power when you need it.
So the trick is to use what's available today and HOPE that some of these other dreams, like hydrogen powered cars, make it to the showroom floors. Because there is way too much politics playing in the game of next-gen automobile propulsion systems.
New light bulbs are great but what about what's already available. IMHO, we need to start using that first instead of waiting for the next great thing to not happen.
it's even worst then that. the guy is talking about the CONFIG file being in a different location. Gee, could it be a --config option be used to relocate the config file on startup?
This seems like someone is "pulling a SCO" here. How does the saying go? "There's nothing interesting here. Move along, move along."
yup, it is a lot of money and nothing was mentioned about how much was actually SAVED by the consolidation. The new Central Intelligence Agency, now called DoHS, has consolidated the IT infrastructure of all the departments it consumed. Surely they didn't pay more then the sum of it's parts for this. Surely with so many blank checks getting handed out today in the whitehouse, this kind of consolidation would save money and be news worthy. That is unless they just met with Bill or Steve and simply asked "how much do you want"....
Let's see, Bill Gates purchases something like 10% of a Newport News contractor and then makes sure Windows is going to be THE operating system platform for the next generation aircraft carrier. Then a bunch of press releases go out about how MS Windows is going to yada yada yada.
So, is it better to toot your horn about something that works and works well or something that mostly sucks but you have so much money that you can buy your way into anything( including a US DOD warship )?
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Thanks, it looks interesting enough that I just bought the Asterisk hardware dev kit.
bring up an app like TaskMan to see you have the AddressBook, Calendar, ToDo, and Email all preloaded/running. Stop those apps and look at the memory used by the processes and you'll see something far less than 18MB Looks more like 5-6MB to me though System Info shows 13MB used. Strange. This is on a SL-5600( only 32MB of RAM ).
Oh, and these are handheld computers and not PDAs. There's a big difference. Not to mention that these have been on the market for less than 2 years while MS-WinCE has been trying for about 7 years. Palm is finally growing it's OS so time will tell if it's going to grow up to become a real OS and not just a PDA OS.
If you want a small Linux then go look at the microLinux's out there for embedded processors and uControllers.
BTW, I do find 2-3MB hard to believe for a MS WinCE system. Are they playing the same tricks with memory they played with Win95? The resouce available shows 75% normally? Lets just call that 100% and the users will think it's a better system....
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As others have pointed out, the people who publish todays articles are pretty clueless about what's actually going on. Not all but many and this is proof of another.
The author of the results/comments most likely does not know what GNU is and he probably thinks OSS is Linux( not GNU/Linux but just Linux ). His comments about Lara Croft/etc shows that he thinks the OSS community consists mostly of high school kids. The guy is WAY out of date. IMHO.
LoB
just having a few products doesn't mean much. Try doing a little research and you'll find the Bluetooth spec support 3 classes/ranges:
Class 1 = 100m
Class 2 = 10m
Class 3 = 2m
with corresponding power demands. All of which are still close to 1/4 the power of 802.11 devices.
LoB
ya ya but the Crush Kill Destroy mentality of Microsofts monopoly all but eliminated the true concept of open/interoperable standards. With the rise of GNU/Linux and Open Source, the term open standards is associated with open source.
Good point though.
LoB
It's the same thing in the computer/IT sector. More and more the management has no technical skills, just business skills. But these people are the ones who decide what technology is best. Why the NASA management wouldn't point a telescope at the Shuttle when engineers felt there was need for more information is beyond me. Most likely it was purely a financial decision.
r t people running around the industry now. But that has nothing to do with the Shuttle and NASA. Those engineers were/are capable of the tasks at hand.
15 years ago, it was very common for technical people to fill management positions up through middle management with the Chief Engineer over seeing all the technical departments and reporting directly to the top level management. Today, we're luck to get technical expertise beyond the department/group managment level.
This isn't a NASA-only problem. It's an industry wide problem. For example, the CSX RailRoad had it's signaling system go down because the computers running all those signals runs Microsoft Windows and got a virus. Who but a non-technical managager would insist Windows be used in a mission critical task like this? This might not be a good example because I have no proof it was a management decision while it very well be a technical moron made the choice and dumb PHB's followed the advice. The choice should not have been followed if a technically savy management existed.
There's also been a dumbing down of the technical sector with all these I-can-click-an-icon-therefore-I'm-a-computer-expe
Does anybody else think that management making technical decisions no longer make them with much regard to input from the engineers anymore?
LoB
yes and it's a very wrong perception. The 2000-2003 model Prius didn't help that either. O-60 in something like 13 seconds but that was mostly because Toyota doesn't let the power get to the motor. The 2004 Prius does it in 10 seconds.
What will turn that perception around is when the hybrid car makers build a car that lets all the power get dumped to the motor. Let them burn rubber for a minute or two and feel what electric power feels like. They'll get lower than average MPG the next few miles but big deal. It'll still be more efficient than the straight ICE cars but have some of the FEEL of a pure electric. It'll be the turning point for hybrid sales IMHO.
The new Prius is 1/10th the cost too but it's really not the same. Too bad those batteries are so expensive. Not too unlike what fuel cells cars will be.
LoB
you left out alot of the conversation...
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Balmer: "Ok, I'm on it... We'll wrap all this with some stuff we'll patent and then base our development environment on it. They'll never know what hit em."
Gates: "Exactly. I knew I didn't need to tell you how important it is that this runs 'best' on Windows"
Balmer: "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
Gates: "Sell another 10k shares of stock. You deserve it."
Likewise, hypothetical but more realistic IMHO. I just can't imagine Bill and Steve talking about something without considering how to "Windows-ize" it.
LoB
Others have pointed this out but here's my shot at it. Microsoft is putting up another "we are for open standards" flag. The market is finally getting it with regards to keeping doors open( open standards ) and Microsoft needs to tell people they'll be part of that. Ie, don't shut the door. You basically asked, 'how will Microsoft shut the door'? By getting it's foot into a standard( SOAP ), showing that it plays with others( recent PR ) and then getting developers to use Microsoft tools to build systems using the technology. Those tools will generate code which requries Microsofts proprietary platform( MS .Net ).
.Net and swipes them from the sky.
Look at it this way. All the developers building to SOAP on a Microsoft dev env are like butterflies flying in free and open air. Soothing music is playing and all is good. Then, along comes the MS
It's how they killed all the C++ framework platforms out there. Giving away MS VC-- at a loss to hook em and lock them into the MS Windows platform.
IMHO.
LoB
Kinda like Microsoft where they haven't been successful outside of the PC desktop/low-end server market.
Very good point and it's why a free market is a more inventive one. Kinda like evolution. New ideas push old ones asside when they have a distinct advantage. Of course this all requires a "free" market and we all know the current technology market isn't free with Microsoft's unrestrained monopoly.
LoB
There in lies the reason for Microsoft doing this demo with IBM. They will show that they can play in the open standards arena but will make anybody who wants to do it on Windows, do it with their tools. The MS .Net framework is proprietary and a lockin. Just like Microsoft held out XML for 2 years and said that MS Office would use XML, they then circumvented the usefulness of those claims in their implementation.
This is just bait. Bite this and they'll have you on their hook.
LoB
Dave_Poor_TechGuy is a dumb technician then. Porting to Java and XML( Open Standards ) is why the company CAN move to Linux.
.Net so that we can run our business on any operating system we see fit for the job. Sounds pretty stupid doesn't it.
How would this sound? We are porting to MS
Just because the "Braindead_CIO" is doing what others are doing doesn't make him/her more braindead. The others are doing it because it's a better choice. Heck, it affords them choice at every turn. Unlike Microsoft software....
LoB
it's business not charity. They declare the value of the software "donated" at retail pricing. That is a huge markup and write-off. So they can spread the PR that they are a "good" company, perpetuate the MS-Windows way, while also getting a great write off.
LoB
then use class 1 bluetooth dumb ass. ;)
FYI( Bluetooth ):
class 1 = 100m
class 2 = 10m
class 3 = 2m
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forget about more expensive service because there's less wear and tear on the most commonly serviced parts( engine, transmission, breaks ). Atleast with the Toyota Hybrid System, the engine mostly runs at optimzed speeds, spins up before firing. With regenerative braking there's less wear on the brakes and there is no real transmission. It's just a single planetary gear system.
Couple that with even a little tax deduction and you're ahead of the game in a couple of years. Not to mention the pleasure of not watching the gas guage and knowing you're putting 1/2 the CO2 and 1/10th of the other gases of a comparible ICE-Only vehicle.
LoB
not so fast. Have you seen anything about Eolas going after anybody else besides Microsoft? I could be wrong but I remember reading that Eolas is only going to go after Microsoft for this.
I got the impression that for some reason, they just don't like Microsoft. If that were true, then all other browsers besided the one built into MS Windows, would have no problem with Flash, Java applets, etc. Even Mozilla/Netscape on MS Windows would be fine. It would just mean MS Internet Explorer couldn't do plugins.
Now THAT would be really funny. IMHO.
LoB
It would seem to make sense to just license the technology and be done with it wouldn't it? So why are they going for a change that'll force everybody to change/update their MS OS.. I mean MS browser?
There was something quite a while back about Eolas not looking to "be friends" with Microsoft and that they had no intension of going after anybody else. This would mean that any "negotiations" with Microsoft wouldn't go so well and they would most likely not be willing to pay the licensing fees Eolas would want.
Does this "ring a bell" with anybody else or would there be another reason MS would go for the full rip and rewrite option they seem to be going for?
LoB
Well yes. DimensionX was purchased to keep Netscape out of the picture. Actually, it ended up knocking down 3 pins because the DimensionX APIs were being used by company for it's development tool for the Netscape browser. It used Java technology and Sun Microsystems was interested in purchasing them( DimensionX ).
Microsoft came in and purchased the company to:
1) Keep a tool used for Netscape off the market
2) Keep Java technology off the market( ala Coopers & Peters )
3) Keep Sun for getting a good Java technology.
I know this because I know one of the founders of DimensionX. This deal was great for Microsoft, good for DimensionX and bad for Netscape and bad for Sun. It was also bad for the tech community because the market was not allowed to choose the best product for the job. This kind of "business" is the exact reason why I recommend everybody stay away from Microsoft products. The company is anti-innovation, NOT pro-innovation like they say they are. IMHO.
my $0.02
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the awareness is already starting. I met someone at a party who works for Time-Warner/Roadrunner and they are well aware of GNU/Linux. A friend and her 2 daughters now run GNU/Linux because they got sick of Windows getting virii and breaking( I set the system up for them ). And recently, my younger brother tried a Knoppix CD I gave him and is now replacing MS Windows with GNU/Linux.
The awareness is starting to take hold and every win32 email virus, every win32 worm, and every MS Windows system crash opens their eyes to this thing called GNU/Linux that they keep hearing about. IMHO.
LoB
it seems to have been missed but the $23 million to BE Inc was AFTER LEGAL FEES. Who knows how much they(lawyers) negotiated for. I'm with you though, Microsoft seems to have a standard of around $150 million which they'll pay for hijacked technology or will pay for the right to make sure Windows REMAINS DOMINANT( in this case ).
LoB
if most people would just be smarter about what they purchase, it would go a long way in saving energy and $$$. Compact Fluorescent bulbs use about 1/4 the power and last much much longer than incandescent bulbs. A front-load washing machine uses about 1/4 the water and again, less energy than a top-load washer. And talk about automobiles; Honda and Toyota have hybrid vehicles on the road today which get over 50MPG and put out about 1/10 the emmisions of a similarly equipted car. Toyota will have a van and SUV soon that'll have the same setup and still plenty of power when you need it.
So the trick is to use what's available today and HOPE that some of these other dreams, like hydrogen powered cars, make it to the showroom floors. Because there is way too much politics playing in the game of next-gen automobile propulsion systems.
New light bulbs are great but what about what's already available. IMHO, we need to start using that first instead of waiting for the next great thing to not happen.
LoB
Forget the ~$30, download your own license for free where ever your favorate ISO download site still has OpenDesktop ISO files.
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it's even worst then that. the guy is talking about the CONFIG file being in a different location. Gee, could it be a --config option be used to relocate the config file on startup?
This seems like someone is "pulling a SCO" here. How does the saying go? "There's nothing interesting here. Move along, move along."
LoB
yup, it is a lot of money and nothing was mentioned about how much was actually SAVED by the consolidation. The new Central Intelligence Agency, now called DoHS, has consolidated the IT infrastructure of all the departments it consumed. Surely they didn't pay more then the sum of it's parts for this. Surely with so many blank checks getting handed out today in the whitehouse, this kind of consolidation would save money and be news worthy. That is unless they just met with Bill or Steve and simply asked "how much do you want"....
LoB
Let's see, Bill Gates purchases something like 10% of a Newport News contractor and then makes sure Windows is going to be THE operating system platform for the next generation aircraft carrier. Then a bunch of press releases go out about how MS Windows is going to yada yada yada.
So, is it better to toot your horn about something that works and works well or something that mostly sucks but you have so much money that you can buy your way into anything( including a US DOD warship )?
LoB
Thanks, it looks interesting enough that I just bought the Asterisk hardware dev kit.
LoB
bring up an app like TaskMan to see you have the AddressBook, Calendar, ToDo, and Email all preloaded/running. Stop those apps and look at the memory used by the processes and you'll see something far less than 18MB Looks more like 5-6MB to me though System Info shows 13MB used. Strange. This is on a SL-5600( only 32MB of RAM ).
Oh, and these are handheld computers and not PDAs. There's a big difference. Not to mention that these have been on the market for less than 2 years while MS-WinCE has been trying for about 7 years. Palm is finally growing it's OS so time will tell if it's going to grow up to become a real OS and not just a PDA OS.
If you want a small Linux then go look at the microLinux's out there for embedded processors and uControllers.
BTW, I do find 2-3MB hard to believe for a MS WinCE system. Are they playing the same tricks with memory they played with Win95? The resouce available shows 75% normally? Lets just call that 100% and the users will think it's a better system....
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