isn't it usually such that vendors are paid to ship Microsoft product instead of what they had been shipping? And with all the money kicked in for putting up Windows logo's and icons( marketing kick backs ) they don't even need to sell many Microsoft devices just fewer of the competitors devices.
SOP for Microsoft and what they call competing. They did it back in the DOS days, they did it in the Netscape days, they'll be continue to do it as long as they've got the profits from Windows streaming in to afford to blow billions every year on this kind of "competition".
Who knows, maybe the marketing will be as funny as the Bill Gates and Jerry Seinfeld commercials. Hilarious.
OMG, a title of "AMD Ports Open-Source Linux GPU Driver to Windows" from 2 functions? That's pathetic. They must be really hard up for anti-MS posts if that really is what it's about.
or Microsoft was once again successful in convoluting the desktop OS software development requirements such that it was easier to port a Linux driver to WinCE than to port a "Windows" driver to WinCE. I've heard over and over during the years that it's easier to rewrite than port anything written in Microsoft dev API's to another platform. That includes that embedded thing they also called Windows.
I'm not saying any Microsoft server patches have anything to do with this, just remembering how great it was for MSN when an update knocked AOL's TCP/IP stack out the door and all those users were offered a nice MSN account. And how Microsoft told the judge it was a bug and it would be fixed in just a few months.
so how will that work on my Panasonic P1121 dot matrix printer? Stop trying to change what has worked for years! Sorry, I just couldn't resist posting that kind of thinking. About time we started thinking of getting rid of a design which is there because we used to use line printers.
Have you tried putting very thin slivers of tape above each button or even one long piece? You should be able to feel that edge and know when you're off the screen. It probably wouldn't have hurt if they etched the glass just a tiny bit so there was something to feel instead of one smooth piece of glass.
because Vista is always the go-to place for an example of fine workmanship. oooow, ya got me. Not.
And Windows 8 promises from Microsoft? Reeeeally? But hey, they're FINALLY paying attention to the memory footprint so they might even pull off a 'better than Vista' footprint.
that "focus" on languages has always been more about locking developers( and therefore software ) to their Windows platform. Silverlight is about limiting or stopping Adobe Flash because not only did Adobe become cross platform but Flash is a development platform which works across all platforms. This kind of thing is a threat to Microsoft's revenue stream( Windows ). So that's why Silverlight was created. As for MS.NET, that was in response to Java which is cross platform and the same rules apply regarding protection of the revenue stream. The kind of protectionism I talk about is evident in most all of the exposed emails from court cases which made public internal Microsoft email and depositions.
Because Microsoft's entire revenue base is tied to the Windows OS and it is a substantial revenue stream, protecting it at all costs( in the billions annually ) is business as usual and has worked for them for 20 something years. The funny thing is, they never had to compete in the portable space( disconnected mains power ) much and it never was much of a threat to the desktop or server. Apple changed that with the iPod/iTunes and how it showed great usability outside of the Microsoft ecosystem. It also expanded the Apple brand and sold desktops. Along came the iPhone and the Vista crapware and people really started taking non-Microsoft platforms seriously. GNU/Linux on the server side was doing quite well too. Zune was an attempt to curb the iPod craze but nobody fell for it since the Apple brand meant more than the Microsoft brand and you were not cool if you were Zuned. BING is Microsoft's attempt to limit Google's growth and brand and it too is failing and costing Microsoft billions. long story.
it is when you want a light weight portable device like a netbook, tablet or phone. You don't see big hard disks spinning on the top selling models of those do you? Well you do with netbooks because many of them still run Windows and must have a hard disk. You do know that this memory issue is all about trying to fit Windows 8 on battery powered portable devices don't you? The 4 core ARM chips are almost here so the CPU side of the problem of running Windows will be addressed but that still ate up more battery life and many of the ARM SoCs use PoP for compact packaging but there are no 4GB PoP chips yet. Microsoft must scale Windows memory footprint down even if memory is not at a massive premium. No?
so what you are saying is Microsoft is spinning its wheels and there really is no problem with memory bloat in Windows and everyone else is wrong. I guess that's why PCs ship with only 4GB of memory as standard these days.
and if Windows has been getting better with memory management with each version, why do the system requirements for memory go up with each version. Is it really doing that much more than the last version? Don't bother answering, I don't really care. From what I see this article is more proof that Windows 8 tablets and netbooks will be like the previous versions and require more hardware and therefore more battery and either be too heavy or lacking in battery life. Are they even making 4GB PoP memory chips these days?
that may be true but how many years has it been now? while it may have been a process violation, systems like this are supposed to be designed so silly processes like being able to stick a USB stick directly into the system can not happen. If that is indeed what happened.
At some point someone has to say cool, we got a system in use quickly now lets make it robust, reliable, and more maintainable. What do they think this is, your typical Main Street computer system?
Except that because they are Windows based computers, the probability is very high that these are infected with your standard Windows virus instead of a custom one designed specifically to get into these computers. Therefore, it's unlikely there's any threat.
Probably some pilot got bored during down time and wanted to show his buds his pics of his girlfriend.
I would think that such a system would be considered a "critical system" and therefore not allow any type of direct external data input unless through a secure and protected means. Oh wait, we're talking about US DoD contracts and back room deals so design is secondary and they think using Windows is using advanced technology.
As the drones start dropping from the sky almost killing the ground soldiers, one soldier says pointing to the little girl, "Great! That's just great! Put her in charge then."
some of that was because it was forced on you by Microsoft when before that there were a dozen or so application launchers/desktop interfaces for Windows 3.x. That's right, starting with Windows 95, no OEM could change the initial desktop and people were forced to use what Microsoft decided was the best for them.
Microsoft is good at deciding what is best for you and all the other Windows users every time they release a new update to their OS. Others like choice.
One of the very nice solutions IBM implemented in OS/2 was the idea of the workspace. With that, you can chain together folders and even applications. With these chains you could then open the primary folder again and it all unfolds and opens like it was when you last closed it. It made using hierarchical folder systems simple and easy. Microsoft probably came up with the StartMenu in response. I still hate it but have gotten used to it.
they not only ditched a pretty good system they were and still are shipping(except to US) but they turned down using Android because, it was claimed, would not allow them to be different than the others and it helped their competitor( Google ). Yes, Elop said that Google was their competitor. So they go all in with Elop's former company, Microsoft and tell the world + dog that Windows Phone OS will be their primary OS.
And now we hear they are starting a new OS venture based on Linux but for low end phones?
That just does not make sense when they've already had stuff which would scale down to those phones and if Elop's clowns did not know Windows would not scale down there who's steering the boat.
Even before this latest 'we like Linux again' news, Elop looked and acted like he still has ties to MS and he's aiming Nokia toward a MS takeover or at the very least, he's running it aground. And he will win with quite a good golden parachute and probably a nice big check from Microsoft. Just a little more time will tell where the boat's going to go.
nailed it! So many non-techies are never taught concepts and just remember icons and the menu names/labels they need to click to do something. With a userbase so ignorant of what they are doing even giving them the option to run the greatest OS which ever existed( fictional ) they would oppose it because it was different from what they "learned".
the big picture plan is to hand Microsoft Nokia's distribution deals and gut the company of any other value so Microsoft can purchase it and their patents and distribution for a song. This move seems to be sound if you look at the real long term( <5 years ) goal of Elop. IMO
compete? who said Nokia is out to compete? Elop is out to destroy Nokia to the point that Microsoft can get them for a song and dance and all their patents too.
so they still have to use Linux because Windows Phone X, Y, or Z can't scale to the phone hardware Nokia wants to sell? Nice job Elop. I'm sure that's going to work out fantastic for you in your quest to destroy Nokia and hand the remains to Microsoft. No doubt the Linux base you have them building is going to be a constantly changing bastard of some sort so nobody has a chance to like it and the users all get driven to other phones/vendors.
who said anything about Android, it was about WP7. So what part of "it sounded like an ad to me" do you not get? Oh wait, you've probably never read any print ads nor see many ads which aren't "real shit" on youtube or facebook. And I've never heard anyone talk about android no apple like that. too smooth and not what I'm used to hearing people write or say about the products they use.
people tend to dismiss MS products around here because they have not changed the way they do business. It really is a philosophy since many of the techies around these parts have seen many of their project axed because of Microsoft shenanigans.
So that's what you're up against around here and if you don't know, Microsoft has been caught red handed many times feeding bloggers and forums via paid employees and "associates". It's all these years of tricks and treats by MS you're dealing with so when you sound like a marketing machine you've already lost the effect you were going for.
And it could be a good interface since they pretty much started by saying it can't look like iOS no Android so it has to be different. Sometimes that does create something useful. But again, MS is MS so even giving them an inch means you could lose all innovation on from the people supporting the competitors products if Microsoft was allowed to have any kind of control. Lots of people already fear their patent licensing deals are going to limit the number of Android devices released. They have been known to pay companies to ship their product in greater numbers than the competitors with devastating results to the competition.
If I ever see a Windows phone I will take a look but I will never put any money down on one.
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isn't it usually such that vendors are paid to ship Microsoft product instead of what they had been shipping? And with all the money kicked in for putting up Windows logo's and icons( marketing kick backs ) they don't even need to sell many Microsoft devices just fewer of the competitors devices.
SOP for Microsoft and what they call competing. They did it back in the DOS days, they did it in the Netscape days, they'll be continue to do it as long as they've got the profits from Windows streaming in to afford to blow billions every year on this kind of "competition".
Who knows, maybe the marketing will be as funny as the Bill Gates and Jerry Seinfeld commercials. Hilarious.
LoB
OMG, a title of "AMD Ports Open-Source Linux GPU Driver to Windows" from 2 functions? That's pathetic. They must be really hard up for anti-MS posts if that really is what it's about.
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or Microsoft was once again successful in convoluting the desktop OS software development requirements such that it was easier to port a Linux driver to WinCE than to port a "Windows" driver to WinCE. I've heard over and over during the years that it's easier to rewrite than port anything written in Microsoft dev API's to another platform. That includes that embedded thing they also called Windows.
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I'm not saying any Microsoft server patches have anything to do with this, just remembering how great it was for MSN when an update knocked AOL's TCP/IP stack out the door and all those users were offered a nice MSN account. And how Microsoft told the judge it was a bug and it would be fixed in just a few months.
or not.
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so how will that work on my Panasonic P1121 dot matrix printer? Stop trying to change what has worked for years!
Sorry, I just couldn't resist posting that kind of thinking. About time we started thinking of getting rid of a design which is there because we used to use line printers.
Don't even get me started on where 0,0 is.
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Have you tried putting very thin slivers of tape above each button or even one long piece? You should be able to feel that edge and know when you're off the screen. It probably wouldn't have hurt if they etched the glass just a tiny bit so there was something to feel instead of one smooth piece of glass.
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because Vista is always the go-to place for an example of fine workmanship. oooow, ya got me. Not.
And Windows 8 promises from Microsoft? Reeeeally? But hey, they're FINALLY paying attention to the memory footprint so they might even pull off a 'better than Vista' footprint.
thanks for the chuckles.
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that "focus" on languages has always been more about locking developers( and therefore software ) to their Windows platform. Silverlight is about limiting or stopping Adobe Flash because not only did Adobe become cross platform but Flash is a development platform which works across all platforms. This kind of thing is a threat to Microsoft's revenue stream( Windows ). So that's why Silverlight was created. As for MS .NET, that was in response to Java which is cross platform and the same rules apply regarding protection of the revenue stream. The kind of protectionism I talk about is evident in most all of the exposed emails from court cases which made public internal Microsoft email and depositions.
Because Microsoft's entire revenue base is tied to the Windows OS and it is a substantial revenue stream, protecting it at all costs( in the billions annually ) is business as usual and has worked for them for 20 something years. The funny thing is, they never had to compete in the portable space( disconnected mains power ) much and it never was much of a threat to the desktop or server. Apple changed that with the iPod/iTunes and how it showed great usability outside of the Microsoft ecosystem. It also expanded the Apple brand and sold desktops. Along came the iPhone and the Vista crapware and people really started taking non-Microsoft platforms seriously. GNU/Linux on the server side was doing quite well too. Zune was an attempt to curb the iPod craze but nobody fell for it since the Apple brand meant more than the Microsoft brand and you were not cool if you were Zuned. BING is Microsoft's attempt to limit Google's growth and brand and it too is failing and costing Microsoft billions. long story.
LoB
it is when you want a light weight portable device like a netbook, tablet or phone. You don't see big hard disks spinning on the top selling models of those do you? Well you do with netbooks because many of them still run Windows and must have a hard disk. You do know that this memory issue is all about trying to fit Windows 8 on battery powered portable devices don't you? The 4 core ARM chips are almost here so the CPU side of the problem of running Windows will be addressed but that still ate up more battery life and many of the ARM SoCs use PoP for compact packaging but there are no 4GB PoP chips yet. Microsoft must scale Windows memory footprint down even if memory is not at a massive premium. No?
LoB
so what you are saying is Microsoft is spinning its wheels and there really is no problem with memory bloat in Windows and everyone else is wrong. I guess that's why PCs ship with only 4GB of memory as standard these days.
and if Windows has been getting better with memory management with each version, why do the system requirements for memory go up with each version. Is it really doing that much more than the last version? Don't bother answering, I don't really care. From what I see this article is more proof that Windows 8 tablets and netbooks will be like the previous versions and require more hardware and therefore more battery and either be too heavy or lacking in battery life. Are they even making 4GB PoP memory chips these days?
LoB
that may be true but how many years has it been now? while it may have been a process violation, systems like this are supposed to be designed so silly processes like being able to stick a USB stick directly into the system can not happen. If that is indeed what happened.
At some point someone has to say cool, we got a system in use quickly now lets make it robust, reliable, and more maintainable.
What do they think this is, your typical Main Street computer system?
LoB
Except that because they are Windows based computers, the probability is very high that these are infected with your standard Windows virus instead of a custom one designed specifically to get into these computers. Therefore, it's unlikely there's any threat.
Probably some pilot got bored during down time and wanted to show his buds his pics of his girlfriend.
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I would think that such a system would be considered a "critical system" and therefore not allow any type of direct external data input unless through a secure and protected means. Oh wait, we're talking about US DoD contracts and back room deals so design is secondary and they think using Windows is using advanced technology.
As the drones start dropping from the sky almost killing the ground soldiers, one soldier says pointing to the little girl, "Great! That's just great! Put her in charge then."
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sounds suspect to me but I would not be surprised to hear they won their case given the populations understanding of this stuff.
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The sad state of the general Windows user population but great episode, The Samaritan Snare:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritan_Snare
good analogy
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some of that was because it was forced on you by Microsoft when before that there were a dozen or so application launchers/desktop interfaces for Windows 3.x. That's right, starting with Windows 95, no OEM could change the initial desktop and people were forced to use what Microsoft decided was the best for them.
Microsoft is good at deciding what is best for you and all the other Windows users every time they release a new update to their OS. Others like choice.
One of the very nice solutions IBM implemented in OS/2 was the idea of the workspace. With that, you can chain together folders and even applications. With these chains you could then open the primary folder again and it all unfolds and opens like it was when you last closed it. It made using hierarchical folder systems simple and easy. Microsoft probably came up with the StartMenu in response. I still hate it but have gotten used to it.
LoB
they not only ditched a pretty good system they were and still are shipping(except to US) but they turned down using Android because, it was claimed, would not allow them to be different than the others and it helped their competitor( Google ). Yes, Elop said that Google was their competitor. So they go all in with Elop's former company, Microsoft and tell the world + dog that Windows Phone OS will be their primary OS.
And now we hear they are starting a new OS venture based on Linux but for low end phones?
That just does not make sense when they've already had stuff which would scale down to those phones and if Elop's clowns did not know Windows would not scale down there who's steering the boat.
Even before this latest 'we like Linux again' news, Elop looked and acted like he still has ties to MS and he's aiming Nokia toward a MS takeover or at the very least, he's running it aground. And he will win with quite a good golden parachute and probably a nice big check from Microsoft. Just a little more time will tell where the boat's going to go.
LoB
nailed it! So many non-techies are never taught concepts and just remember icons and the menu names/labels they need to click to do something. With a userbase so ignorant of what they are doing even giving them the option to run the greatest OS which ever existed( fictional ) they would oppose it because it was different from what they "learned".
LoB
the big picture plan is to hand Microsoft Nokia's distribution deals and gut the company of any other value so Microsoft can purchase it and their patents and distribution for a song. This move seems to be sound if you look at the real long term( <5 years ) goal of Elop. IMO
LoB
compete? who said Nokia is out to compete? Elop is out to destroy Nokia to the point that Microsoft can get them for a song and dance and all their patents too.
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no.
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so they still have to use Linux because Windows Phone X, Y, or Z can't scale to the phone hardware Nokia wants to sell? Nice job Elop. I'm sure that's going to work out fantastic for you in your quest to destroy Nokia and hand the remains to Microsoft. No doubt the Linux base you have them building is going to be a constantly changing bastard of some sort so nobody has a chance to like it and the users all get driven to other phones/vendors.
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Steve, the legs of that chair sticking through your office window say otherwise.
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who said anything about Android, it was about WP7. So what part of "it sounded like an ad to me" do you not get? Oh wait, you've probably never read any print ads nor see many ads which aren't "real shit" on youtube or facebook. And I've never heard anyone talk about android no apple like that. too smooth and not what I'm used to hearing people write or say about the products they use.
LoB
people tend to dismiss MS products around here because they have not changed the way they do business. It really is a philosophy since many of the techies around these parts have seen many of their project axed because of Microsoft shenanigans.
So that's what you're up against around here and if you don't know, Microsoft has been caught red handed many times feeding bloggers and forums via paid employees and "associates". It's all these years of tricks and treats by MS you're dealing with so when you sound like a marketing machine you've already lost the effect you were going for.
And it could be a good interface since they pretty much started by saying it can't look like iOS no Android so it has to be different. Sometimes that does create something useful. But again, MS is MS so even giving them an inch means you could lose all innovation on from the people supporting the competitors products if Microsoft was allowed to have any kind of control. Lots of people already fear their patent licensing deals are going to limit the number of Android devices released. They have been known to pay companies to ship their product in greater numbers than the competitors with devastating results to the competition.
If I ever see a Windows phone I will take a look but I will never put any money down on one.
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