Hmm...well I don't think the author was refering to "making a product and selling it", but rather the "business theory" of what the "platform" really is...
Microsoft, Apple, et al...all have a focus towards their particular platforms, while Google uses something more broad and far reaching, albeit more powerful, to touch and affect all regardless of platform.
Yea...well...I wasn't arguing for or against pharming as I could really care less. I was just saying that it isn't really so hard to change the DNS on a windows machine. Once its changed, it wouldn't matter if the malicious code was discovered or not...more than likely the dns changes would persist.
DNS can be hacked pretty easily on windows machines by sending unsuspecting users malicious code that modifies their host file records. It can make any website address "appear" to be the correct site when in fact that domain is pointing to an entirely different IP address.
"I don't care what BusinessWeek says, I wholeheartly recommend that an organization keep their key systems in-house!"
I have heard of similar experiences with salesforce, however, while your experience with salesforce is undeniable, software as a service does have its perks.
For instance, the company I work for sells both its software and offers a hosted solution. This hosted solution runs over a citrix metaframe setup and works really well. In essence our customers get very similar functionality to what the installed customers get, yet no IT overhead including servers, IT staff, M$ server licenses, etc...we cover everything in our own fees. Is it worth it for a very large customer to do it this way? Depends, is it worth it for a small to medium sized company to use this server...very much so. SaaS doesn't HAVE to be strictly browser based, nor does a browser based solution invalidate the software that was designed around using a browser. While salesforce might have given you some bad experiences, sometimes it is just not practical or economically feasible for a small to medium sized company to utilize enterprise grade applications because of the enterprise costs and overhead. This is were SaaS comes in and really helps out this market. I think SaaS has implications further than just the small to medium sized biz market, but I will leave that arguement for another day.
I once had a customer that wanted to open an online therapy website...offer therapy through chat and/or web cam..etc... The actual funny part was they wanted me to register the website:
TherapistOnlineNow.com
Which in turn..I discovered...could be
TheRapistOnlineNow.com
So I think they didn't use that domain! I don't remember...never got the project. lol
Thats cool. I don't know that people generally count those of the various caucasion/european countries as minorities...generally....at least not in the US they don't. Mainly ethnic differences only.
"These are sufficiently serious problems that the fact that they happen at all is too common. I won't pretend that Canada has a perfect record in this regard -- but compared to the US we're orders of magnitude better. The only reference to a race riot in the 20th century in Canada that I could find was from 1933 (although I do wantt to note that there was a riot in Toronto in 1992 that coincided with the Rodney King riots in LA, it seemed more opportunistic and involved people of all races. It's hard to see what the motivation would be for it, considering Canada has no say over the laws, courts, or police forces of the United States. But who ever said a riot has to make sense?). "
Wow...I make a very innocent remark about Canada..and not one intended to put down Canada mind you...and you cunucks get your shorts all up in a wad. I guess that since Canada has less than a 2.5% black population and less than a 30% minority population overall (source: http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/demo52a.htm) and the United States having around 12% black population and 37% overall minority populations (source: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762156.html (2001)) makes them easy to compare. Not that it matters really what our different percentages are...but heck, our minority population alone constitutes almost four times your entire population. I hardly think you can compare Canada's racial issues with the United States. I am not excusing our race issues, but man..you took an innocent supposition about Canada and went all crazy with it.
Besides, I wasn't attacking Canada at all...I just thought that free speech would be protected, under and governed by the law. It evidently is..thanks for the info!
"Go ahead and post pictures of naked adult people having sex and don't keep personal records on the people in the pictures. See how well that goes over."
Well, of course not...there are laws requiring it.
"People throwing hate speech newspapers into your yard without your permission violates laws on different levels. Harrassment, littering, etc. Just because you and/or the police haven't done anything about it doesn't mean it's legal."
I wasn't saying that they have a protected right to throw trash in my yard. I was saying they have the right to "PRINT" them.
"Dan, please think about this kind of crap a little bit more. Tolerance of difference is a great thing, but tolerance of violence is a bad thing. You are doing a bad thing."
I don't personally tolerate it. However, hate speech and violent speech are different things. The newspaper that has been thrown on my yard a few times wasn't inciting violence as much as it was espousing the white supremisist rhetoric. Further...yes I do think about these things.
There is one thing I am glad about and that is that those in the US can still post whatever they want (that is legal...) whether it be hate material or whatever. I frequently get, as all my neighbors do, a white supremicist newspaper thrown in my yard. I guess these people just go through neighborhoods and litter crap like this...but its still protected as free speach. I am very surprised that Canada doesn't have similar free speech guarantees... Anyhow..do I like these newspapers that get thrown in my yard...no I don't - an entire side of my family is of Jewish heritage..even though I am not of the Jewish religion...I still don't like the hate crap. However, is it their right to print these things...yup!
I don't think that Christian would be even able to "accidently" and without a "deep conviction" take on the mark of the beast without having said strong convictions against it before hand...and not because somebody said it was the mark...but personal conviction. Second, I think the whatever the mark "is" would need to mean something beyond just buying and selling goods...I need to stress the word "mean"..not what it would prevent you from doing if you didn't have it..like shopping.
I have hardly ever read such sensationally inaccurate reporting! Both the/. article as well as the news.com article covered this to seem like bathaser patented the internet, however, after reading the patent, it does not appear to be the case.
FTFP (from the freakin patent)
Rich-media applications are designed and created via the Internet. A host computer system, containing processes for creating rich-media applications, is accessed from a remote user computer system via an Internet connection. User account information and rich-media component specifications are uploaded via the established Internet connection for a specific user account. Rich-media applications are created, deleted, or modified in a user account via the established Internet connection. Rich-media components are added to, modified in, or deleted from scenes of a rich-media application based on information contained in user requests. After creation, the rich-media application is viewed or saved on the host computer system, or downloaded to the user computer system via the established Internet connection. In addition, the host process monitors the available computer and network resources and determines the particular component, scene, and application versions, if multiple versions exist, that most closely match the available resources.
From the first line I know this says that this patented covers a system where "Rich-media applications are designed and created via the internet".
From the rest of the patent it appears that:
1) The user can upload what they want the rich media application to do. 2) Rich media applications are created based on that information 3) Rich media components can be added, modified or deleted from various scenes 4) After the rich media app is created, the app can be viewed on or saved to the host computer system, or even downloaded to the user computer 5) It can scale its version based on bandwidth limitations of the viewers client
Thats just my observation of it anyway. It doesn't seem that they are patenting "Online Rich Media" or even "all rich-media technology implementations including Flash, Flex, Java, AJAX and XAML and all device footprints which access rich-media Internet applications including desktops, mobile devices, set-top boxes and video game consoles" but rather
"The patent covers all rich-media technology implementations, "
Created via there special online application which includes
"Flash, Flex, Java, AJAX and XAML and all device footprints which access rich-media Internet applications including desktops, mobile devices, set-top boxes and video game consoles"
No whether there is prior art for this "type" of application I do not know...however it doesn't appear that this patent covers quite what either article says it does. I am actually surprised it was posted to/....or wow..maybe I wasn't!
I totally agree. Personally, I don't see much (I did say much) difference between an upconverted dvd and my hd signal. Sure there are some differences..but my upconverted dvd's look pretty darn amazing on my HD set.
Second...I really feel that the dominant format here is going to be the one that most comp manufacturers put into their default spec'd computers. Sure, a computer is different (obviously) from a home entertainment unit, however, whatever is mostly out there is what the software industry is going to ship their software on... (read games, media, etc..).
"I'm tired of the dual monitor thing, I want one display device on my desk, just make it a very large device."
Though I understand the posters desire to have a single device...I love having two or even my current three monitors because it allows me to "full screen" three different things I am working on at once. For instance, I can have my database management software up in one (lets say the left monitor), my development environment (read coding) on the middle monitor, with whatever else I need on the right monitor. Usually when building web apps, I keep the live version in the right monitor then just refresh when I make a change, save, and upload. My efficiency is much greater when using a three monitor system to do what I do over having a single or even dual monitors and continually switching screens to reference or view something.
Sure either open source...or...web based subscription software. It "appears" that the industry is heading that direction anyhow. I work for a large software company..and even we are turning towards a web based front end.
Either way, I think that tennessee wouldhave a tough time implimenting this. For one..what if a business stops using a piece of software? What if an OS upgrade outdates software they have purchased? A principle means of taxing property is by having deeds/titles. How will they be able to keep track of who has what? It seems like a very silly plan..
How, in all of Hades, do you draw that conclusion? Isn't any cancer a genetic mutation of sorts?...despite the age of the victim. Thats almost like saying
"So cells of young humans actually mutate when exposed to radiation?....If so, this could be concrete evidence of an evolutionary mechanism."
I would think, if anything, that your arguement would demonstrate a sort of anti-evolution....one in which the subjects to not mutate for the betterment of its species.
Evolutions' premise, IIRC, lay's in the belief that species will adapt to environmental and physical stimula to ensure survival. If there is not a need, then there is not a mutation.
If there didn't need to be a need to cause a mutation...then we would have horn's growing out of our head, or feathers on our butt...or something almost as silly as your conclusion.
The company could just make a nice shiney ball and when they throw it into a room...all the bad guys will stand around it staring. Just about the time they all think WTF the police/military has had the time to run in and do what they wanted to do in the first place. We could call it the WTFBall. Maybe have it play some crazy Christmas tune or something.
"20 points is also the difference between the average IQ and the IQ of the average collage graduate. (although the average IQ group includes the collage graduates which brings it up so the gap is a bit bigger)"
I would probably have to think that the IQ of the average college graduate is higher not due to the education, but rather the aptitude they have shown which allowed them the education.
"BTW, 20 points could qualify as "extremely major differences"."
Yes..I think I learned somewhere that 20 points is an entire deviation from the norm. There is a Major difference between 120 and 140..of which over mid to high 140's I am told is difficult to even quantify accurately.
This is exactly what I was concerned about when I read the article...will java applets be affected? It sounds like they will be. I remember back a couple of years ago when this became news...all the information pointed to applets as well as active-x components.
Personally, and some of you might think this is stupid, I have often thought that it would be a great idea to create a seperate "browser" of sorts that is just for web based applications. I haven't thought it through as to how everything would work, but I believe it could be made to where it offered some fat-client functionality to web based applications. If it were to be created to where the browser and all of its components, controls, etc... were self contained and didn't rely on the OS stuff...I could possibly see a method to have fat-client functionality, remotely hosted code/data, thin client benefits, as well as being cross-OS compatible.
Now of course I don't think this would work for your everyday website that uses a misc. applet or active-x control for stuff...but generally they can get by without it.
They could set up two systems...one to index the existing..one to scour and index whats being created....periodically merge...then when they catch up..set both to index the new stuff.
Slashdot Mirror
Hmm...well I don't think the author was refering to "making a product and selling it", but rather the "business theory" of what the "platform" really is...
Microsoft, Apple, et al...all have a focus towards their particular platforms, while Google uses something more broad and far reaching, albeit more powerful, to touch and affect all regardless of platform.
Yea...well...I wasn't arguing for or against pharming as I could really care less. I was just saying that it isn't really so hard to change the DNS on a windows machine. Once its changed, it wouldn't matter if the malicious code was discovered or not...more than likely the dns changes would persist.
DNS can be hacked pretty easily on windows machines by sending unsuspecting users malicious code that modifies their host file records. It can make any website address "appear" to be the correct site when in fact that domain is pointing to an entirely different IP address.
"It makes me feel like I'm awake but still trapped in the matrix."
NEO...is that you?
"I don't care what BusinessWeek says, I wholeheartly recommend that an organization keep their key systems in-house!"
I have heard of similar experiences with salesforce, however, while your experience with salesforce is undeniable, software as a service does have its perks.
For instance, the company I work for sells both its software and offers a hosted solution. This hosted solution runs over a citrix metaframe setup and works really well. In essence our customers get very similar functionality to what the installed customers get, yet no IT overhead including servers, IT staff, M$ server licenses, etc...we cover everything in our own fees. Is it worth it for a very large customer to do it this way? Depends, is it worth it for a small to medium sized company to use this server...very much so. SaaS doesn't HAVE to be strictly browser based, nor does a browser based solution invalidate the software that was designed around using a browser. While salesforce might have given you some bad experiences, sometimes it is just not practical or economically feasible for a small to medium sized company to utilize enterprise grade applications because of the enterprise costs and overhead. This is were SaaS comes in and really helps out this market. I think SaaS has implications further than just the small to medium sized biz market, but I will leave that arguement for another day.
I once had a customer that wanted to open an online therapy website...offer therapy through chat and/or web cam..etc... The actual funny part was they wanted me to register the website:
TherapistOnlineNow.com
Which in turn..I discovered...could be
TheRapistOnlineNow.com
So I think they didn't use that domain! I don't remember...never got the project. lol
"Isn't this kind of akin to saying that the CD format was dead in 1980"
That is because nobody had heard of it yet you insensitive clod!
Thats cool. I don't know that people generally count those of the various caucasion/european countries as minorities...generally....at least not in the US they don't. Mainly ethnic differences only.
"These are sufficiently serious problems that the fact that they happen at all is too common. I won't pretend that Canada has a perfect record in this regard -- but compared to the US we're orders of magnitude better. The only reference to a race riot in the 20th century in Canada that I could find was from 1933 (although I do wantt to note that there was a riot in Toronto in 1992 that coincided with the Rodney King riots in LA, it seemed more opportunistic and involved people of all races. It's hard to see what the motivation would be for it, considering Canada has no say over the laws, courts, or police forces of the United States. But who ever said a riot has to make sense?). "
Wow...I make a very innocent remark about Canada..and not one intended to put down Canada mind you...and you cunucks get your shorts all up in a wad. I guess that since Canada has less than a 2.5% black population and less than a 30% minority population overall (source: http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/demo52a.htm) and the United States having around 12% black population and 37% overall minority populations (source: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762156.html (2001)) makes them easy to compare. Not that it matters really what our different percentages are...but heck, our minority population alone constitutes almost four times your entire population. I hardly think you can compare Canada's racial issues with the United States. I am not excusing our race issues, but man..you took an innocent supposition about Canada and went all crazy with it.
Besides, I wasn't attacking Canada at all...I just thought that free speech would be protected, under and governed by the law. It evidently is..thanks for the info!
"Go ahead and post pictures of naked adult people having sex and don't keep personal records on the people in the pictures. See how well that goes over."
Well, of course not...there are laws requiring it.
"People throwing hate speech newspapers into your yard without your permission violates laws on different levels. Harrassment, littering, etc. Just because you and/or the police haven't done anything about it doesn't mean it's legal."
I wasn't saying that they have a protected right to throw trash in my yard. I was saying they have the right to "PRINT" them.
"Dan, please think about this kind of crap a little bit more. Tolerance of difference is a great thing, but tolerance of violence is a bad thing. You are doing a bad thing."
I don't personally tolerate it. However, hate speech and violent speech are different things. The newspaper that has been thrown on my yard a few times wasn't inciting violence as much as it was espousing the white supremisist rhetoric. Further...yes I do think about these things.
There is one thing I am glad about and that is that those in the US can still post whatever they want (that is legal...) whether it be hate material or whatever. I frequently get, as all my neighbors do, a white supremicist newspaper thrown in my yard. I guess these people just go through neighborhoods and litter crap like this...but its still protected as free speach. I am very surprised that Canada doesn't have similar free speech guarantees... Anyhow..do I like these newspapers that get thrown in my yard...no I don't - an entire side of my family is of Jewish heritage..even though I am not of the Jewish religion...I still don't like the hate crap. However, is it their right to print these things...yup!
I don't think that Christian would be even able to "accidently" and without a "deep conviction" take on the mark of the beast without having said strong convictions against it before hand...and not because somebody said it was the mark...but personal conviction. Second, I think the whatever the mark "is" would need to mean something beyond just buying and selling goods...I need to stress the word "mean"..not what it would prevent you from doing if you didn't have it..like shopping.
I have hardly ever read such sensationally inaccurate reporting! Both the /. article as well as the news.com article covered this to seem like bathaser patented the internet, however, after reading the patent, it does not appear to be the case.
/. ...or wow..maybe I wasn't!
FTFP (from the freakin patent)
Rich-media applications are designed and created via the Internet. A host computer system, containing processes for creating rich-media applications, is accessed from a remote user computer system via an Internet connection. User account information and rich-media component specifications are uploaded via the established Internet connection for a specific user account. Rich-media applications are created, deleted, or modified in a user account via the established Internet connection. Rich-media components are added to, modified in, or deleted from scenes of a rich-media application based on information contained in user requests. After creation, the rich-media application is viewed or saved on the host computer system, or downloaded to the user computer system via the established Internet connection. In addition, the host process monitors the available computer and network resources and determines the particular component, scene, and application versions, if multiple versions exist, that most closely match the available resources.
From the first line I know this says that this patented covers a system where "Rich-media applications are designed and created via the internet".
From the rest of the patent it appears that:
1) The user can upload what they want the rich media application to do.
2) Rich media applications are created based on that information
3) Rich media components can be added, modified or deleted from various scenes
4) After the rich media app is created, the app can be viewed on or saved to the host computer system, or even downloaded to the user computer
5) It can scale its version based on bandwidth limitations of the viewers client
Thats just my observation of it anyway. It doesn't seem that they are patenting "Online Rich Media" or even "all rich-media technology implementations including Flash, Flex, Java, AJAX and XAML and all device footprints which access rich-media Internet applications including desktops, mobile devices, set-top boxes and video game consoles" but rather
"The patent covers all rich-media technology implementations, "
Created via there special online application which includes
"Flash, Flex, Java, AJAX and XAML and all device footprints which access rich-media Internet applications including desktops, mobile devices, set-top boxes and video game consoles"
No whether there is prior art for this "type" of application I do not know...however it doesn't appear that this patent covers quite what either article says it does. I am actually surprised it was posted to
That is..if your assuming that time is non-linear.
Can they attached lasers to its head? Thats the real question!
I totally agree. Personally, I don't see much (I did say much) difference between an upconverted dvd and my hd signal. Sure there are some differences..but my upconverted dvd's look pretty darn amazing on my HD set.
Second...I really feel that the dominant format here is going to be the one that most comp manufacturers put into their default spec'd computers. Sure, a computer is different (obviously) from a home entertainment unit, however, whatever is mostly out there is what the software industry is going to ship their software on... (read games, media, etc..).
"I'm tired of the dual monitor thing, I want one display device on my desk, just make it a very large device."
Though I understand the posters desire to have a single device...I love having two or even my current three monitors because it allows me to "full screen" three different things I am working on at once. For instance, I can have my database management software up in one (lets say the left monitor), my development environment (read coding) on the middle monitor, with whatever else I need on the right monitor. Usually when building web apps, I keep the live version in the right monitor then just refresh when I make a change, save, and upload. My efficiency is much greater when using a three monitor system to do what I do over having a single or even dual monitors and continually switching screens to reference or view something.
Sure either open source...or...web based subscription software. It "appears" that the industry is heading that direction anyhow. I work for a large software company..and even we are turning towards a web based front end.
Either way, I think that tennessee wouldhave a tough time implimenting this. For one..what if a business stops using a piece of software? What if an OS upgrade outdates software they have purchased? A principle means of taxing property is by having deeds/titles. How will they be able to keep track of who has what? It seems like a very silly plan..
How, in all of Hades, do you draw that conclusion? Isn't any cancer a genetic mutation of sorts?...despite the age of the victim. Thats almost like saying
"So cells of young humans actually mutate when exposed to radiation?....If so, this could be concrete evidence of an evolutionary mechanism."
I would think, if anything, that your arguement would demonstrate a sort of anti-evolution....one in which the subjects to not mutate for the betterment of its species.
Evolutions' premise, IIRC, lay's in the belief that species will adapt to environmental and physical stimula to ensure survival. If there is not a need, then there is not a mutation.
If there didn't need to be a need to cause a mutation...then we would have horn's growing out of our head, or feathers on our butt...or something almost as silly as your conclusion.
My first psuedo-flame.
The company could just make a nice shiney ball and when they throw it into a room...all the bad guys will stand around it staring. Just about the time they all think WTF the police/military has had the time to run in and do what they wanted to do in the first place. We could call it the WTFBall. Maybe have it play some crazy Christmas tune or something.
"20 points is also the difference between the average IQ and the IQ of the average collage graduate. (although the average IQ group includes the collage graduates which brings it up so the gap is a bit bigger)"
I would probably have to think that the IQ of the average college graduate is higher not due to the education, but rather the aptitude they have shown which allowed them the education.
"BTW, 20 points could qualify as "extremely major differences"."
Yes..I think I learned somewhere that 20 points is an entire deviation from the norm. There is a Major difference between 120 and 140..of which over mid to high 140's I am told is difficult to even quantify accurately.
This is exactly what I was concerned about when I read the article...will java applets be affected? It sounds like they will be. I remember back a couple of years ago when this became news...all the information pointed to applets as well as active-x components.
Personally, and some of you might think this is stupid, I have often thought that it would be a great idea to create a seperate "browser" of sorts that is just for web based applications. I haven't thought it through as to how everything would work, but I believe it could be made to where it offered some fat-client functionality to web based applications. If it were to be created to where the browser and all of its components, controls, etc... were self contained and didn't rely on the OS stuff...I could possibly see a method to have fat-client functionality, remotely hosted code/data, thin client benefits, as well as being cross-OS compatible.
Now of course I don't think this would work for your everyday website that uses a misc. applet or active-x control for stuff...but generally they can get by without it.
I dunno...any thoughts?
They could set up two systems...one to index the existing..one to scour and index whats being created....periodically merge...then when they catch up..set both to index the new stuff.
"Don't kid yourself - you're not going to catch the pros with this kind of thing."
I think you right..but hose part-timers, aspiring amateurs, and of course the FSI (Future Snipers of Iraq) club members are going to get owned.