The problem is that, if they GPL java, anybody on the planet can claim their own version of java "with just a few nifty new features".
Yeah, instead they made sure that the FOSS community will make their own damn java, which is under way.
Way to go to prevent fragmentation.
On the use of SuSE......Why would you use the "use-to-be-great-but-now-has-been-ruined-by-novell " distro of linux as opposed to something more generic and stable(the whole techie reason for linux) like gentoo? I was a staunch SuSE supporter until it started suffering from emessitis:).
Uhm, because SUSE is supported by Novell? Instead of having to call Joe-Nerd and be told to compile on a server for three hours. Besides, gentoos ebuilds are not well-tested, tend to have severe bugs, and I found it generally unstable. Issues I haven't had with SUSE, Debian, Ubuntu or RedHat.
Why the hell is that one much better then:
1. Log in
2. Open a console
3. Su to root
4. Connect to net
5. yum update
6. Done!
?
I use both Fedora, RedHat and Debian, and they are all nice distros, but I can't see the big advantage apt-get/aptitude has over yum. Enlighten me?
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Where is the source code for their java-compiler then?
Why the hell you are modded "insightful" is beyond me, you aren't even aware of the fact that Nintendo _DOES_ have a working prototype. Moderators on crack, and you're a fucktard.
So, with the earlier announcement that Novell/SUSE is giving up KDE in favour of Gnome
I was under the impression that Novell/SUSE was using Gnome only for SLES(Their server-operating system) and KDE for "regular" SUSE, can anyone confirm if I'm wrong or right?
That's where the old saying comes from, young man -- BSD (and its licence) are for those who like UNIX. Linux (and the GPL) are for those who hate Windows.
Actually, GPL and Linux are for those who enjoy freedom. Please remember that Stallmans ideals existed long before Microsoft had a close to monopoly.
I would probably be considered an "FSF zealot" too, so let me say this: I do not care about what Microsoft does with Windows, as long as I am able to choose a free(as in freedom) operating system to suit my needs.
Because the opengroup owns the UNIX name, and the copyright is held by Novell.(Not SCO, since SCO has asked Novell to transfer the copyrights to them.), and I feel a lot better with Novell owning the copyrights, and OpenGroup taking care of the Unix name. Imagine, iUnix, *shudders*. They are of course welcome to try to buy the names and copyright, however, I think Unix clone or Unix derivative would suffice to show what kind of operatingsystem it is, or even BSD derived.
apt-rpm is unmantained, to my knowledge, and lacks some important features, like support for multilib (read: installing both 32- and 64-bit apps on an x86_64). Yum is a better solution for RPM-based distributions than apt-rpm. The only thing yum lacks thus far is a sane gui front-end, and that is being worked on, too.
Apt can handle multilibs as long as the libs has different names. Yum and Fedora has the same name for the lib, but different arches. Which is why apt works on SUSE, because Novell names the libs with different names for the different arches. AFAIK.
My point is that when there's a problem in Linux, it's difficult as hell to solve for newbies. Most people have an even easier time with Windows than you have with Linux. Their computer has a CD, with all the drivers on it, that'll do a recovery for them. These days there's a recovery partition too so it's as simple as a keypress. Also, all patches for OS stuff are automatic.
I guess that's why we get tens of computers in each week that's completely borked, because it's so easy to fix.
I would also like to note that in the country I live(Norway) I see that Microsoft Small Buisness Server with 5 clients costs above 6000,- Norwegian kroner(It would actually be about $1000), whereas as far as I can see, Novell Small Buisness Server costs... $475, and I do believe that includes eDirectory, 100 clients, etc. That's _HALF_ the price of Microsoft SBS, and eDirectory is a dream come true.
Of course anyone wanting to change platform should do some real testing before deploying it in a production environment, but that's why there's Fedora Core and OpenSUSE.
And there is so much hype about it simply because it is that much better than every other distro out there.
Feel free to point out exactly what is so much better.
Quick question..why aren't you using yast? It should take care of all the problems you're describing.
Because if he does, then he can't pull comments about rpms out of his ass anymore. People complain and bitch about rpms and dependency, guess what people? source,.deb,.tgz all have dependencies as well, and trying to install only _one_ package withouth the dependency will fail.
If I remember correctly, I think SUSE 9.3 Pro chose java, and they also included flash and acrobat reader(Yes, the one from adobe).
GCC and the likes available through YaST.
I saw several questions in the last topic about support for GNU/Linux, were they included when you gave them your questions? Or did they simply ignore them?
"If you're after whose the most secure browser right at this particular second, then IE does appear to be the one"
Someone is forgetting Opera(www.opera.com) which is secure, and follows webstandards nicely.
A large number of organizations (as well as Debian Stable and Redhat) still use 2.4. It's pretty pathetic.
Debian provides both a 2.6 and a 2.4 kernel when you install debian stable, if you don't like it, use another distro. RHEL 3 was released quite some time ago, and the 2.4 kernel that was provided was probably heavy patched, since RedHat has quite a number of kernel hackers employed. RHEL 4 features a 2.6 kernel.
If the only examples you could come up with of distros still using the 2.4 kernel, I'd say pretty much every distro uses 2.6. SUSE does, Mandrake does, Slackware has it as an option, debian has the option, Ubuntu uses 2.6, and so on.
OOo is simply unusable until it plays well with others.
Yeah, this is what Microsoft Office is great at.
I mean, anyone who doesn't know how a closed format works can't work well with others.
I've used OOo at three different schools, work and for applying jobs. Works great here.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilogram You know, a standard way of measuring weight. Not like you insane people with lbs.
Can't blame a guy for getting lost in the endless list of IE flaws ;-)
The problem is that, if they GPL java, anybody on the planet can claim their own version of java "with just a few nifty new features".
Yeah, instead they made sure that the FOSS community will make their own damn java, which is under way. Way to go to prevent fragmentation.
On the use of SuSE......Why would you use the "use-to-be-great-but-now-has-been-ruined-by-novell " distro of linux as opposed to something more generic and stable(the whole techie reason for linux) like gentoo? I was a staunch SuSE supporter until it started suffering from emessitis:).
Uhm, because SUSE is supported by Novell? Instead of having to call Joe-Nerd and be told to compile on a server for three hours. Besides, gentoos ebuilds are not well-tested, tend to have severe bugs, and I found it generally unstable. Issues I haven't had with SUSE, Debian, Ubuntu or RedHat.
I think you are confusing "PCs" with "Windows", a common mistake amongst Mac fanatics.
Why the hell is that one much better then: 1. Log in 2. Open a console 3. Su to root 4. Connect to net 5. yum update 6. Done! ? I use both Fedora, RedHat and Debian, and they are all nice distros, but I can't see the big advantage apt-get/aptitude has over yum. Enlighten me?
Where is the source code for their java-compiler then?
Why the hell you are modded "insightful" is beyond me, you aren't even aware of the fact that Nintendo _DOES_ have a working prototype.
Moderators on crack, and you're a fucktard.
So, with the earlier announcement that Novell/SUSE is giving up KDE in favour of Gnome
I was under the impression that Novell/SUSE was using Gnome only for SLES(Their server-operating system) and KDE for "regular" SUSE, can anyone confirm if I'm wrong or right?
That's where the old saying comes from, young man -- BSD (and its licence) are for those who like UNIX. Linux (and the GPL) are for those who hate Windows.
Actually, GPL and Linux are for those who enjoy freedom. Please remember that Stallmans ideals existed long before Microsoft had a close to monopoly.
I would probably be considered an "FSF zealot" too, so let me say this: I do not care about what Microsoft does with Windows, as long as I am able to choose a free(as in freedom) operating system to suit my needs.
Because the opengroup owns the UNIX name, and the copyright is held by Novell.(Not SCO, since SCO has asked Novell to transfer the copyrights to them.), and I feel a lot better with Novell owning the copyrights, and OpenGroup taking care of the Unix name. Imagine, iUnix, *shudders*. They are of course welcome to try to buy the names and copyright, however, I think Unix clone or Unix derivative would suffice to show what kind of operatingsystem it is, or even BSD derived.
apt-rpm is unmantained, to my knowledge, and lacks some important features, like support for multilib (read: installing both 32- and 64-bit apps on an x86_64). Yum is a better solution for RPM-based distributions than apt-rpm. The only thing yum lacks thus far is a sane gui front-end, and that is being worked on, too.
Apt can handle multilibs as long as the libs has different names. Yum and Fedora has the same name for the lib, but different arches. Which is why apt works on SUSE, because Novell names the libs with different names for the different arches. AFAIK.
My point is that when there's a problem in Linux, it's difficult as hell to solve for newbies. Most people have an even easier time with Windows than you have with Linux. Their computer has a CD, with all the drivers on it, that'll do a recovery for them. These days there's a recovery partition too so it's as simple as a keypress. Also, all patches for OS stuff are automatic.
I guess that's why we get tens of computers in each week that's completely borked, because it's so easy to fix.
You mean, like Novell is doing with this:
http://www.novell.com/products/linuxsmallbiz/
I would also like to note that in the country I live(Norway) I see that Microsoft Small Buisness Server with 5 clients costs above 6000,- Norwegian kroner(It would actually be about $1000), whereas as far as I can see, Novell Small Buisness Server costs... $475, and I do believe that includes eDirectory, 100 clients, etc. That's _HALF_ the price of Microsoft SBS, and eDirectory is a dream come true.
Of course anyone wanting to change platform should do some real testing before deploying it in a production environment, but that's why there's Fedora Core and OpenSUSE.
And there is so much hype about it simply because it is that much better than every other distro out there.
Feel free to point out exactly what is so much better.
Quick question..why aren't you using yast? It should take care of all the problems you're describing. Because if he does, then he can't pull comments about rpms out of his ass anymore. People complain and bitch about rpms and dependency, guess what people? source, .deb, .tgz all have dependencies as well, and trying to install only _one_ package withouth the dependency will fail.
If I remember correctly, I think SUSE 9.3 Pro chose java, and they also included flash and acrobat reader(Yes, the one from adobe). GCC and the likes available through YaST.
I saw several questions in the last topic about support for GNU/Linux, were they included when you gave them your questions? Or did they simply ignore them?
"If you're after whose the most secure browser right at this particular second, then IE does appear to be the one" Someone is forgetting Opera(www.opera.com) which is secure, and follows webstandards nicely.
Debian packages are available for the beta version of OOo on their site, and the 1.1.4 has a tar.gz available.
http://gplflash.sourceforge.net/This is illegal then?
A large number of organizations (as well as Debian Stable and Redhat) still use 2.4. It's pretty pathetic. Debian provides both a 2.6 and a 2.4 kernel when you install debian stable, if you don't like it, use another distro. RHEL 3 was released quite some time ago, and the 2.4 kernel that was provided was probably heavy patched, since RedHat has quite a number of kernel hackers employed. RHEL 4 features a 2.6 kernel. If the only examples you could come up with of distros still using the 2.4 kernel, I'd say pretty much every distro uses 2.6. SUSE does, Mandrake does, Slackware has it as an option, debian has the option, Ubuntu uses 2.6, and so on.
OOo is simply unusable until it plays well with others. Yeah, this is what Microsoft Office is great at. I mean, anyone who doesn't know how a closed format works can't work well with others. I've used OOo at three different schools, work and for applying jobs. Works great here.
You have no idea what this was really about, do you? Troll.