Schools (other than colleges) don't have the budget necessary to get an IT team to set the school up in linux
This is common knowledge, but in Norway, the skolelinux project showed us that with GNU/Linux, one administrator could take care of several schools. The administrators/skolelinux people are now collaborating, and need fewer people to administrate several schools. This saves money, teaches kids about free and open source software, and could make them potentially free from Microsofts monopoly.
I have already checked it out. CUPS - broken. Lot of packages incompatable and not working.
I'm using Fedora Core 5 and CUPS now, working flawlessly, contrary to the fucking mess CUPS in Dapper is. Enterprise distro my arse.
Oh, and to the fuckwad that was calling a distro for "OpenSUSE"; There is no distro that is named OpenSUSE, the distro is SUSE.
Jesus, every time there is a piece about Red Hat here, every idiot comes crawling out from under a rock to compare apt to rpm, so, here's what I think:
Ubuntu users are now mainly idiots not using it in the enterprise and thinks that: "Hey, I can use this apt thing, it's perfect for any other person and company out there".
Dumb fuckers.
Oh my god you punched a hole in the brilliant plan of supplying laptops instead of food to the starving people.
How about this: These laptops aren't meant to replace food, and they're not gonna throw them after people that's starving instead of food. But these people also need to LEARN. And that's what these are for. Man, you people just wanna feed those poor kids instead of learning them how to feed themselves.
"Lack of documentation"? First of all there's plenty of documentation pretty much everywhere, no mwatter what *nix you use(FreeBSD and Gentoo has excellent documentation) but, doesn't Red Hat come with support? If there's something you can't figure out on your own, why not call the support you've paid for?
Would it be to convert Linux to a microkernel? And Apple is using Mach and BSD as the kernel XNU, are they planning to make it a true microkernel? AFAIK it does some things in kernel space that makes it not a microkernel.
You're trying to tell me that a large corporation with 5000 desktops, who develops Windows software might run Windows on a lot of them? I'm shocked I say, shocked.
on ubuntu linux installing the nvidia driver takes 1 command (apt-get install nvidia-glx) and two minor edits to 1 file (which is plainly explained on half a dozen support forums/sites), it takes about 1-2 minutes for any non-techie granny. you dont even need to reboot either, just restart X (ctrl-alt-backspace)
And on SUSE this takes just running YOU and choosing the nvidia-driver. Is nvidia-glx in the default repos? Why does he have to do a command for installing it, apt has synaptic? We'll never convert people if we insist on telling everybody to use the CLI, some people will just refuse to do that.
and complaining about compiling kernels is stupid, the default kernel on most distros can do just about everything
He was complaining about lack of support for memory above 1GiB, and I don't think the default Ubuntu kernel has enabled high memory support. Sure, it could be a small matter of installing the linux-image-`uname -r`-smp or something like that(The quickest way, since smp/i686 kernels usually has high mem support enabled), but for regular Joe, this is a crippling of the operating system. I've installed usually Fedora, Debian or SUSE on my own computer, and both Fedora and SUSE installs an smp-enabled kernel when that was necessary. Seriously, Ubuntu is taking a step backwards.
I don't think I'd describe Theo as particularly arrogant.
Maybe, maybe not. Sadly for Theo and OpenBSD though, since they usually resort to petty attacks on both GNU, GNU/Linux, Linux, and people using the GNU/Linux operating system, I will never ever support a BSD project ever again. I'd rather flush my money down the toilet. So until they stop being asshats, I'll just send my money to the Debian project.:)
I think however, that he will be having some problems being taken seriously on this issue, simply because the $100 computer conflicts with Microsofts buisnessplan. Make no mistake, Gates might donate to charity, but he is also a very capable buisnessman, and right now, I think it's the buisnessman doing the talking.
You say that, and theoretically you're right. Practically, results matter. I've used both SuSE and Ubuntu, and Ubuntu (mostly) Just Plain Works. SuSE was hell to try and get a printer working, I never got my usb Quickcam working, and the package manager depended on me to deal with dependencies.
Well, the two first things you mention there is exactly what I pointed to, hardware-drivers. Yes they exist for those peripherals you mentioned there, but a lot of them are buggy and prone to errors. Gnomes GUI configurator for printers is _HORRIBLE_. If the package manager depended on you, then you did some tweaking you shouldn't have done. While we're on anectode level: Both of my parents use SUSE 10, print with it, send mail and imports images from their digital cameras. But I'm not gonna tell them how to install a wireless driver in GNU/Linux anytime soon...
Oh, and come on. Flamebait? I was just saying my honest opinion about Shuttleworth and his worshippers' duplicating work.
Bah. I'm sick of Ubuntufanboys touting their distro as end-all be-all for GNU/Linux, it has no hardware support that no other GNU/Linux distribution has. If Mark Shuttleworth had half a brain cell and wanted mass GNU/Linux adoption, he'd employ people writing device drivers on a large scale. We already have tons of newbie-friendly distros, but hardware support is still somewhat lacking. Don't these hackers get this? We don't need fifty different mainstream distros with different color schemes. Now we just have another distribution that's almost there.
Even if you use Linux drivers from Nvidia, you'll have to install them first. From a command line.
Then you should try a more modern distro. SUSE 10 installs the Nvidia-patch via Yast Online Update, in fact, there's a link to documentation for SUSE users on the Nvidia site.
Nonono. The Gnome-devs are getting with the times. There's gonna be eight versions, the first one severely crippled, and the last one semi-functional. If you need to get the extra-special-whiz-bang Gnome(Which atually works), you need to sign a contract with RMS promising to never use any alternative ever again.
So, you're seriously saying that having to hunt down software on the intarweb, watching out for spyware, and installing anti-virus is easier then using synaptic, yumex, or YaST?
Debian's attitude toward the binary-only nv drivers is another example. I spent a couple hours installing the binary driver and getting GL working just so my daughter could play penguin racer. Other distros would install it by default.
That's not many. Fedora Core doesn't, and I found it alot easier to install the nvidia-driver with apt and module-assistant, then on Fedora Core systems. SUSE does not ship with it(Available through YOU, I know), Slackware doesn't, Ubuntu doesn't. Some do, that's true, but most doesn't.
They are not engineers, they are not scientists, and they very rarely do anything that would be regarded as following the "Scientific Method".
I always thought that was the general idea? That they weren't supposed to be scientists but closer to a regular Joe, and thus thinking and trying more like a regular Joe. A scientist could probably sit down and do the math on just about every myth there is, but that would be so boring to watch.
By the way loading of a free *nix is not the same thing as a OS that is supported by a company.
You're saying that OSX comes with free telephone support? Besides, SUSE is supported by Novell, or are they not a company?
Why don't you compare similar items. An OS with telephone support, an Office package with phone support, built in features that actually work rather then bolt on items that may or may not work, and when you buy your bolt on crap don't go for the lowest price bargain bin trash go with a name brand item.
He's not downloading bits and pieces, he's downloading a complete Linux-distribution, supported by a company, that has telehpone support. Since they support their entire operating system I suspect they support OpenOffice as well.
If I asked my wife to compile something so she can install a program she needs to run she would tell me to kiss her ass as would 99% of the computer users out there.
It's very obvious that Mac-fanatics and people that would very much like to kiss Steve Jobs' ass is not very enlightened. Ever heard of YaST? YOU?.deb,.rpm? People aren't spending their entire time compiling anymore. Moron.
Which is annoying but not dangerous, unless the server admins have problems with their blood pressure (but if they do, they shouldn't be admins).
Being used in illegal activities, such as child porn and the likes are serious enough. Lives aren't lost, that's true, but that does not mean it's not serious or should be brushed off like some minor thing.
They are all parked on a bench outside the IT Directors office waiting to tell how reiserfs screwed up their data again and they lost the corporate database because of some messed up kernel patch.
And someone said something about RedHat/Novell using FUD...
Solaris might be open source soon, but the CDDL is not compatible with the GPL, and thus, is not free-as-in-speech software, besides that, Sun regularly has some shady remarks about the GPL, so who's FUDing?
I'm not trusting Sun longer then I can throw them, Novell and RedHat on the other side, who fights SCO, open sources Netscape directory server, shows me that I can trust them.
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Schools (other than colleges) don't have the budget necessary to get an IT team to set the school up in linux
This is common knowledge, but in Norway, the skolelinux project showed us that with GNU/Linux, one administrator could take care of several schools. The administrators/skolelinux people are now collaborating, and need fewer people to administrate several schools. This saves money, teaches kids about free and open source software, and could make them potentially free from Microsofts monopoly.
And what did YaST Online Update ever do to you?
I have already checked it out. CUPS - broken. Lot of packages incompatable and not working. I'm using Fedora Core 5 and CUPS now, working flawlessly, contrary to the fucking mess CUPS in Dapper is. Enterprise distro my arse. Oh, and to the fuckwad that was calling a distro for "OpenSUSE"; There is no distro that is named OpenSUSE, the distro is SUSE. Jesus, every time there is a piece about Red Hat here, every idiot comes crawling out from under a rock to compare apt to rpm, so, here's what I think: Ubuntu users are now mainly idiots not using it in the enterprise and thinks that: "Hey, I can use this apt thing, it's perfect for any other person and company out there". Dumb fuckers.
English is not everybodys first language, and attacking people for grammar is a cheap shot when you do not know if english is their first language.
Oh my god you punched a hole in the brilliant plan of supplying laptops instead of food to the starving people.
How about this: These laptops aren't meant to replace food, and they're not gonna throw them after people that's starving instead of food. But these people also need to LEARN. And that's what these are for. Man, you people just wanna feed those poor kids instead of learning them how to feed themselves.
That it's not only iTMS that the ombudsmann wants to have a word about, Microsofts playforsure is also under fire.
"Lack of documentation"? First of all there's plenty of documentation pretty much everywhere, no mwatter what *nix you use(FreeBSD and Gentoo has excellent documentation) but, doesn't Red Hat come with support? If there's something you can't figure out on your own, why not call the support you've paid for?
Because Iwata said at last years E3, that Smash brothers would be a launch title for Wii.
Would it be to convert Linux to a microkernel? And Apple is using Mach and BSD as the kernel XNU, are they planning to make it a true microkernel? AFAIK it does some things in kernel space that makes it not a microkernel.
You're trying to tell me that a large corporation with 5000 desktops, who develops Windows software might run Windows on a lot of them? I'm shocked I say, shocked.
on ubuntu linux installing the nvidia driver takes 1 command (apt-get install nvidia-glx) and two minor edits to 1 file (which is plainly explained on half a dozen support forums/sites), it takes about 1-2 minutes for any non-techie granny. you dont even need to reboot either, just restart X (ctrl-alt-backspace)
And on SUSE this takes just running YOU and choosing the nvidia-driver. Is nvidia-glx in the default repos? Why does he have to do a command for installing it, apt has synaptic? We'll never convert people if we insist on telling everybody to use the CLI, some people will just refuse to do that.
and complaining about compiling kernels is stupid, the default kernel on most distros can do just about everything
He was complaining about lack of support for memory above 1GiB, and I don't think the default Ubuntu kernel has enabled high memory support. Sure, it could be a small matter of installing the linux-image-`uname -r`-smp or something like that(The quickest way, since smp/i686 kernels usually has high mem support enabled), but for regular Joe, this is a crippling of the operating system. I've installed usually Fedora, Debian or SUSE on my own computer, and both Fedora and SUSE installs an smp-enabled kernel when that was necessary. Seriously, Ubuntu is taking a step backwards.
I don't think I'd describe Theo as particularly arrogant.
:)
Maybe, maybe not. Sadly for Theo and OpenBSD though, since they usually resort to petty attacks on both GNU, GNU/Linux, Linux, and people using the GNU/Linux operating system, I will never ever support a BSD project ever again. I'd rather flush my money down the toilet. So until they stop being asshats, I'll just send my money to the Debian project.
I think however, that he will be having some problems being taken seriously on this issue, simply because the $100 computer conflicts with Microsofts buisnessplan. Make no mistake, Gates might donate to charity, but he is also a very capable buisnessman, and right now, I think it's the buisnessman doing the talking.
You say that, and theoretically you're right. Practically, results matter. I've used both SuSE and Ubuntu, and Ubuntu (mostly) Just Plain Works. SuSE was hell to try and get a printer working, I never got my usb Quickcam working, and the package manager depended on me to deal with dependencies.
Well, the two first things you mention there is exactly what I pointed to, hardware-drivers. Yes they exist for those peripherals you mentioned there, but a lot of them are buggy and prone to errors. Gnomes GUI configurator for printers is _HORRIBLE_. If the package manager depended on you, then you did some tweaking you shouldn't have done. While we're on anectode level: Both of my parents use SUSE 10, print with it, send mail and imports images from their digital cameras. But I'm not gonna tell them how to install a wireless driver in GNU/Linux anytime soon...
Oh, and come on. Flamebait? I was just saying my honest opinion about Shuttleworth and his worshippers' duplicating work.
Bah. I'm sick of Ubuntufanboys touting their distro as end-all be-all for GNU/Linux, it has no hardware support that no other GNU/Linux distribution has. If Mark Shuttleworth had half a brain cell and wanted mass GNU/Linux adoption, he'd employ people writing device drivers on a large scale. We already have tons of newbie-friendly distros, but hardware support is still somewhat lacking. Don't these hackers get this? We don't need fifty different mainstream distros with different color schemes. Now we just have another distribution that's almost there.
Even if you use Linux drivers from Nvidia, you'll have to install them first. From a command line.
Then you should try a more modern distro. SUSE 10 installs the Nvidia-patch via Yast Online Update, in fact, there's a link to documentation for SUSE users on the Nvidia site.
Nonono. The Gnome-devs are getting with the times. There's gonna be eight versions, the first one severely crippled, and the last one semi-functional. If you need to get the extra-special-whiz-bang Gnome(Which atually works), you need to sign a contract with RMS promising to never use any alternative ever again.
We do the same with Windows, etc
So, you're seriously saying that having to hunt down software on the intarweb, watching out for spyware, and installing anti-virus is easier then using synaptic, yumex, or YaST?
Debian's attitude toward the binary-only nv drivers is another example. I spent a couple hours installing the binary driver and getting GL working just so my daughter could play penguin racer. Other distros would install it by default.
That's not many. Fedora Core doesn't, and I found it alot easier to install the nvidia-driver with apt and module-assistant, then on Fedora Core systems. SUSE does not ship with it(Available through YOU, I know), Slackware doesn't, Ubuntu doesn't. Some do, that's true, but most doesn't.
I thought Windows Vista was due this year?
They are not engineers, they are not scientists, and they very rarely do anything that would be regarded as following the "Scientific Method".
I always thought that was the general idea? That they weren't supposed to be scientists but closer to a regular Joe, and thus thinking and trying more like a regular Joe. A scientist could probably sit down and do the math on just about every myth there is, but that would be so boring to watch.
You're saying that OSX comes with free telephone support? Besides, SUSE is supported by Novell, or are they not a company?
He's not downloading bits and pieces, he's downloading a complete Linux-distribution, supported by a company, that has telehpone support. Since they support their entire operating system I suspect they support OpenOffice as well. It's very obvious that Mac-fanatics and people that would very much like to kiss Steve Jobs' ass is not very enlightened. Ever heard of YaST? YOU?
Which is annoying but not dangerous, unless the server admins have problems with their blood pressure (but if they do, they shouldn't be admins).
Being used in illegal activities, such as child porn and the likes are serious enough. Lives aren't lost, that's true, but that does not mean it's not serious or should be brushed off like some minor thing.
Nope, that's a part of "code4sony". Get yer facts straight :)
They are all parked on a bench outside the IT Directors office waiting to tell how reiserfs screwed up their data again and they lost the corporate database because of some messed up kernel patch.
And someone said something about RedHat/Novell using FUD...
Solaris might be open source soon, but the CDDL is not compatible with the GPL, and thus, is not free-as-in-speech software, besides that, Sun regularly has some shady remarks about the GPL, so who's FUDing? I'm not trusting Sun longer then I can throw them, Novell and RedHat on the other side, who fights SCO, open sources Netscape directory server, shows me that I can trust them.