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IE Flaw Utilizes Google Desktop Search

abscondment writes "An error in the way Internet Explorer parses CSS files has been discovered by Matan Gillon of Israel. The flaw can be exploited by any website, and used to access personal information via Google's Desktop Search program. Of course, Google contends that this is a flaw with IE, and not their search software."

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  1. Hm.. Evil Empire vs Company making great products by altoz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Which do I believe?....

  2. An error in the way IE parses CSS?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I am shocked to learn of this, shocked and dismayed.

    1. Re:An error in the way IE parses CSS?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean it even parses CSS?

  3. Lawsuit? by Jotii · · Score: 1

    It wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft sued Google (or vice versa) for this. If not, they might start blocking Google's search bar like they blocked msn.com from Opera.

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    1. Re:Lawsuit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the link to MSN. I had no idea what you were talking about.

    2. Re:Lawsuit? by Jotii · · Score: 1, Troll

      I provided that link for your convenience, it's a lot faster to click than to type into the location field. Some might not know about it, and in the case of one of them reading my post they might want to check what it is about. Sorry for not adapting my post to your personal experiences.

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    3. Re:Lawsuit? by whitehatlurker · · Score: 3, Informative

      How about this link instead. It has been a while since that affair. Some of the younger viewers might not remember. (And older ones forgotten about it.)

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    4. Re:Lawsuit? by Decker-Mage · · Score: 1

      Yep, I (mis)remember that. Even afterward, Hotmail was still IE only for quite a while. .. paranoid crackpot leftover from the days of Amiga. That makes two of us!

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  4. Nice submission troll by Gothmolly · · Score: 4, Funny

    Will this be the flaw that breaks the patch cycle's back?

    Puh-lease. This ridiculous question could be asked of any flaw. How about from the 'its 5pm lets leave early so we accept any sensationalist submission' department?

    I can see how the Slashbot must suffer over this - its Google, but its a security vulnerability, but its Microsoft, so its OK, but its still Google, so what do we do? Laugh, cry, sell stock?

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    1. Re:Nice submission troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      an see how the Slashbot must suffer over this - its Google, but its a security vulnerability, but its Microsoft, so its OK, but its still Google, so what do we do? Laugh, cry, sell stock?

      According to the zdnet article Firefox and Opera aren't affected - so it really is Microsoft's problem, and independent of google

    2. Re:Nice submission troll by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The only connection to Google in this vulnerability is that the exploit allows access to local files that a web site isn't supposed to have access to and Google stores local files on the user's computer that can then be accessed.

      The google thing was a proof of concept (with a pretty page for showing it to people who use Google Desktop), not any particular relationship to the vulnerability.

      But I guess if you mention Google, it gets more attention? The summary could have just as easily said "vulnerability allows access to user's Hotmail email!!!!!!!!", which would be just as true, assuming the user is storing a cookie for easier access to hotmail.com.

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    3. Re:Nice submission troll by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Funny
      But I guess if you mention Google, it gets more attention? The summary could have just as easily said "vulnerability allows access to user's Hotmail email!!!!!!!!", which would be just as true, assuming the user is storing a cookie for easier access to hotmail.com.

      I think a better way to catch folks' attention would have been Vulnerability gives access to personal porn collection!

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    4. Re:Nice submission troll by queenb**ch · · Score: 0

      We all love Google and hate the Borg Collective - well at least the vast majority of us. I think that we're all stuck on how to react to this. I find that having yet another vulnerablity in IE disclosed is yet another reason to want Apple to license OSX for x86 machines.

      If Apple would just give me the stabilty of Unix, the power of a CLI, and a GUI so nice that I don't really need the CLI on commodity hardware, I'd be a happy camper indeed. It would take me about all of 35 seconds to shove the disk into my laptop and start reformatting the hard drive.

      2 cents,

      Queen B

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    5. Re:Nice submission troll by Cl1mh4224rd · · Score: 4, Funny
      I think a better way to catch folks' attention would have been Vulnerability gives access to personal porn collection!

      This is Slashdot: "RIAA Uses IE Flaw to Scan Linux Systems for Open Source DRM Violations". ;o)
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    6. Re:Nice submission troll by millennial · · Score: 1, Funny

      Oh SHIT. rm -rf /

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    7. Re:Nice submission troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What, like that's not what hotmail is?

    8. Re:Nice submission troll by millennial · · Score: 1

      You see, you guys have missed the humor. I used a Unix command in a story about Internet Explorer. Ha ha.

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  5. The Quick Work-around by sammykrupa · · Score: 4, Funny

    Here is the easiest way to stop this from hurting you:

    Turn off your computer.

    P.S. Okay, seriously, use Firefox.

    1. Re:The Quick Work-around by jimmyhat3939 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Off-topic question, but has anyone had some random bugs after upgrading to Firefox 1.5? Like, the Bank of America website doesn't work properly anymore. Same with a couple other companies' sites.

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    2. Re:The Quick Work-around by ilfak · · Score: 1

      Use Firefox or Opera. Keep IE only for the sites which explicitly requite it. This is not the last bug.

    3. Re:The Quick Work-around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, there is actually a patch that has been released to fix this issue with FireFox.

      You might want to check it out.

    4. Re:The Quick Work-around by ppz003 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, I tell my friends and familily this all the time when they ask me how to keep from getting the nasties on their computers. The safest way to browse the internet? Unplug the ethernet cable or phone line. The most sure fire way to not get a computer virus? Turn the computer off.

      That's about when they ask me for browsing tips with a reasonable risk.

    5. Re:The Quick Work-around by jimfulton · · Score: 1

      Or run a Desktop DMZ that isolates the browser (and any helper apps) from the desktop and prevents any exploits from being able to read files, key strokes, etc.

      Note, Desktop DMZs are *not* personal firewalls, but a new form of security. There are several out there for Windows.

    6. Re:The Quick Work-around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where's the Linux version?
      Mac version isn't supported anymore so where's that version?

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    7. Re:The Quick Work-around by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      You mean like, running your browser under a different user to the rest of your apps?
      I've been doing that on unix for years..

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  6. Re:Hm.. Evil Empire vs Company making great produc by thx1138_az · · Score: 0

    Google should know they're developing on the Microsoft Windows platform. Duh. Take some responsibility... will ya?

  7. Finally Happened by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 3, Funny

    So it's finally happened. Microsoft's first salvo against Google. What else could it be?

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  8. Misquote? by dada21 · · Score: 4, Funny

    This makes me wonder if Ballmer's chair throwing scream was actually "I will f##king end Google Desktop!" instead of "...end Google on the desktop."

    Hmm...

    1. Re:Misquote? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (nice one)

      Most people that use google desktop use somthing other then IE, it's not that big of a hole is it? And by access the data, do they mean look at filenames and email, or take entire files?

    2. Re:Misquote? by Dante+Shamest · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's kind of hard to scream "##".

    3. Re:Misquote? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OCTOTHORPE! OCTOTHORPE!!

    4. Re:Misquote? by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      Nah, half the folks would scream "pound pound!" the other half "number number!" and then a bloody free-for-all would ensue.

  9. Who's contending otherwise? by u2boy_nl · · Score: 3, Informative

    Of course, Google contends that this is a flaw with IE, and not their search software.

    And why shouldn't they?

    I've read TFA, according to the article it's a design flaw in IE. No one seems to be blaming Google anyway?

    (Well at least not yet.)

    1. Re:Who's contending otherwise? by Jotii · · Score: 1

      Even if it was Google's fault, I doubt anyone (except Microsoft staff) would blame them. Google is the hero and Microsoft is the villain, it's always been like that. Nobody would blame the goverment if the terrorists had a valid reason.

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    2. Re:Who's contending otherwise? by size1one · · Score: 1
      "I've read TFA, according to the article it's a design flaw in IE. No one seems to be blaming Google anyway?"

      They are just taking a defensive stance early on. Considering microsoft is going up against google in several different webapps, it wouldn't surprise me (or anyone else) that the M$ uses this to try and hurt googles pretty boy image. I bet the exploit will be "very difficult to fix" and M$ will throw blame in thier direction while they "work furiously" to produce a patch.

    3. Re:Who's contending otherwise? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course the flaw isn't Google's fault, but they did put their users at risk by building their system on top of an application with a really poor security record. It may not be possible for them to differentiate between legitimate and deviant use of the desktop search, but if they can it would behoove them to make a patch quietly.

    4. Re:Who's contending otherwise? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This flaw can virtually affect any application installed on a computer, but Google Desktop was just used as a proof of concept.

      You can put the tinfoil hat away now.

  10. Genius... by Dragoonmac · · Score: 1

    If they make these things look like security holes no-one will suspect.
    Google: Help Help, Microsoft is trying to run us out of business...
    Anti-M$ Cr3w: What seems to be the problem?
    Google: Well, there's this security hole
    Anti-M$ Cr3w: So, What else is new... *Goes quietly on their way*

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  11. New exploit techniques by XiticiX · · Score: 0

    This could potentially become a problem not only for IE and google, but ALL browsers and plug-ins ("extensions"). It seems that not only do companies need to keep their browser secure, but 3rd party developers need to make sure the interaction between the browser and the plug-in needs to be locked-down. Not an easy task, considering company A doesn't have company B's source code to check against. Of course, open-source would solve this problem ;)

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  12. Wow! by drcarson · · Score: 2, Funny

    I wish I knew of this sooner

  13. Re:Hm.. Evil Empire vs Company making great produc by krakelohm · · Score: 5, Funny

    Who's who?

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  14. Customer Perceptions May be Different by putko · · Score: 1, Interesting

    This is a complex technical issue. I can easily imagine that users of the Google software will say to themselves:

    Google Toolbar allows badguy to get data -> Google software bad

    But on the other hand, perhaps the users will say to themselves:

    Oh -- MicroSoft made yet another security mistake. Rats!

    But normally I've seen people blame the additional software -- but as software folks, we know that if you have to add a feature (in this case, the IE plugin) on a crappy foundation, normally you see the faults in the addition, and not necessarily in the main software.

    It will be neat to see how this plays out.

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    1. Re:Customer Perceptions May be Different by Utopia · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Looks like the issue here is that IE tries to cleanup any bad html code.
      In a way this is good because IE can render a page properly even if it has unclosed tags or as in this case incorrectly rendered CSS braces.
      On the otherhand, this had led to web designers getting away with crappy html pages.

      In this case, Looks like Google is properly sanitizing the url parameters on all their sites except news.google.com
      This is a classic cross-site scripting attack.
      In my opinion, Google should fix the news.google implementation rather than passing on the blame and exposing their customers to risk.

    2. Re:Customer Perceptions May be Different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm afraid you're wrong about it being Google's fault.

      Not sanitizing curly braces is not a security hole. They do not mean anything to anything except CSS and do not create a page that is vulnerable in any way. It just makes it slightly easier to parse the page as CSS. The fact that the page can be read at all by a remote page is a flaw and has nothing to do with Google.

      This is not a classic XSS attack because normal XSS takes advantage of flaws on the server side to inject malicious code into the browsers of other people. This is not injecting malicious code. It's injecting normal HTML characters that are perfectly valid in the page, but happen to be useful to IE's broken CSS parser.

      This isn't Google's fault unless you expect Google to anticipate every character that might be used in a search that could break IE's parser.

  15. of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of course it's a microsoft only problem. all of the articles did mention google's role, though - so i don't think it's a submission troll

    does anyone know if this can be exploited to execute arbitrary code? or can it only work with things like google desktop search, which integrates itself with IE?

    see, if the exploit can only work on things integrated with IE (yes, yes, the whole OS is, blar blar), then the fact that google search integrates itself with IE makes stealing personal data a lot easier.

  16. In other news... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Funny

    spyware gets access to your computer's resources. Doh.

    1. Re:In other news... by Jotii · · Score: 1

      The discovery of this IE flaw is new, don't blame slashdot.

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  17. The bug is in Google's software by sycomonkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    The bug is that it uses IE in the first place.

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    1. Re:The bug is in Google's software by joelsanda · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah. Consider the 3rd party MacOS X Dashboard Widgets that mimmic Google Desktop features. Hell of a lot safer using Google services that way than via IE and Google Desktop.

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    2. Re:The bug is in Google's software by stochastix · · Score: 2, Informative

      it uses the default browser app not necessarily IE.
      my desktop search opens up in firefox :-)

    3. Re:The bug is in Google's software by Cyno · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd feel more comfortable using Apple's software than Googles, now that I think about it. Google seemed like a good company, but they didn't fully embrace Linux and *nix. I think that was a mistake. What it means is I don't have any loyalty to them whatsoever, as far as I'm concerned they are sellouts just the same as Microsoft and Apple. But at least Apple is selling out to style, attitude, open source, etc. Instead of just for the money.

      I hope Google comes around, but I won't count on it.

    4. Re:The bug is in Google's software by joelsanda · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the nice thing about the OS X Dashboard widgets is their simplicity: HTML, javascript, and CSS. *Anyone* can figure that stuff out! And with HTTP post just about anything possible with widgets that's on Google Desktop. As for them not supporting *nix - nearly the same with OS X. Because I use Firefox I have Toolbar, and outside of a Gmail notifier nothing else runs from the desktop on Mac. Though rather than feel slighted I like that - it means most of the stuff I use most often is accessible from nearly any browser. Web-based apps is where the distinction between Mac/Win/*Nix breaks down.

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    5. Re:The bug is in Google's software by Sky+Cry · · Score: 1

      It should check if it's opened in IE and suggest alternatives.

      Seriously, if Google is to protect it's customers,
      there's nothing wrong with suggesting a more secure browser.

    6. Re:The bug is in Google's software by Cyno · · Score: 1

      Yeah, Google's webservices kick ass. I don't mind using their stuff and recommending them. Just wish I could use that map program and maybe their picture organizer thingy on Linux.. but maybe it works fine with Wine. I haven't tried that.

  18. Error handling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the vulnerability description:

    But what happens when a web page imports a URL that is not a valid CSS file? It appears that IE's lenient CSS parsing allows this to happen and in the "cssText" property one can read snippets of html code from the remote site that were mis-parsed as CSS rules.

    Now can everybody who complains that the Acid2 test uses invalid CSS to test error handling please be quiet?

  19. FF promotion article ? by Chaffar · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Gillon said other browsers, such as Firefox, are sufficiently locked down that the hack doesn't work on them.

    [...]However, given the danger presented by this and other recent discoveries of IE security holes, I would strongly recommend that IE users consider downloading and using another browser, like Firefox, Opera or Netscape.

    Go Brian Krebs !!!

    On a more serious note, it's nice to see somebody post an article clearly promoting [generic non-IE browser], but IMHO security shouldn't be the only reason why FF is chosen over IE. If it turns out that FF is safer "only" because it isn't targeted by hackers/phishers/terrorists, then everything falls apart. We shouldn't lose sight of the initial raison-d'etre of FF, which is to be an open-source browser, not a "more secure" browser (which is an added side benefit).

    1. Re:FF promotion article ? by IntergalacticWalrus · · Score: 1

      "We shouldn't lose sight of the initial raison-d'etre of FF, which is to be an open-source browser, not a "more secure" browser (which is an added side benefit)."

      Mozilla evangelists keep praising Firefox's security because they really want to make it to the mainstream, but the average people does not care about open source, much less actually understand it (and god knows I've long given up trying to explain non-programmers what open source means).

      Sadly, being more secure than IE (which is not saying much) is really the only "selling point" of Firefox, really.

    2. Re:FF promotion article ? by Ph33r+th3+g(O)at · · Score: 1
      Sadly, being more secure than IE (which is not saying much) is really the only "selling point" of Firefox, really.

      Yeah, tabbed browsing, the lack of obfuscated histories of browsing one can't delete (IE index.dat), granular cookie handling, ad and Flash blocking extensions, and a hundred other things must not be selling points.

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    3. Re:FF promotion article ? by IntergalacticWalrus · · Score: 2, Informative

      To average people? No, they're not.

      Non-geek people I've converted (read: forced) to Firefox don't use tabs. They don't understand the concept, and/or don't think about using it.

      Everything else you mentionned is technical stuff, or requires configuration. All minor stuff that won't convince people to install a new browser instead of simply using that blue 'e' that has always been there all along on their desktop, and that before you told them, thought *it* was *the Internet*.

    4. Re:FF promotion article ? by Ph33r+th3+g(O)at · · Score: 1

      Fair enough -- though I can't picture anyone not loving tabbed browsing!

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  20. Just read the article. by XiticiX · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And it's really quite interesting how he lays it all out. It seems IE's CSS @import (or more specifically the "addimport" jscript function) doesn't block access to outside domains. So essentially, I can import any stylesheet I want from the web. This also means I can import _anything_ that is mal-formed as a css rule. Javascript comes to mind with it's curly braces. with classic injection attacks, you can inject anything you want, including jscript. Scary stuff. I think I'll go look at everyone's hard drives now.

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  21. So I take it Google is lazy and will not fix this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Both are playing the blame game. Why oh why can Google's Desktop Search program be exploited from a CSS file?

    To be honest with you, I think Google should quickly fix this and publish a patch fast.

  22. Ugh by n0dalus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Before everyone goes posting about MS vs Google rubbish, please RTFA. This has very little to do with Google.

    "This issue could potentially allow an attacker to access content in a separate Web site, if that Web site is in a specific configuration," Microsoft said in the statement.

    In other words, this flaw is just loading files from Google Desktop's internal http server. It could load the internal http server of hundreds of different programs (particularly administration tools).

    1. Re:Ugh by n6mod · · Score: 1

      It's even narrower than that if you real all the way through TFA. There's an extra layer of security in the Google implementation that is broken by a bug in news.google.com. Google could pretty easily fix that and solve the problem.

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  23. MOD PARENT STALKER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    You know where my house is?

  24. Security hole has _nothing_ to do with google! by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 5, Informative
    Folks, RTFA!

    Ok, so the FA is a bit long, so here you have a three sentence summary:

    The exploit allows to read foreign Web pages by abusing a broken security check in the document.stylesheets javascript method.

    The malicious code first loads the page to be snarfed as a CSS into the current document using addImport, and from there into a javascript variable using document.stylesheets. Finally the variable is posted back to the website of the exploiter.

    The google desktop was only cited as an example. But basically any protected web page could have been targetted (a webmail site such as hotmail, any other password-protected page, intranet server not accessible from outside, ...)
    1. Re:Security hole has _nothing_ to do with google! by Tim+C · · Score: 4, Informative

      abusing a broken security check in the document.stylesheets javascript method.

      Technically, that's an element of the DOM, and is nothing to do with javascript, and is certainly not a javascript function. (In fact it's not a method at all, it's a property of the document object).

    2. Re:Security hole has _nothing_ to do with google! by hikerhat · · Score: 1

      Of course if google didn't inject the secret key to access their desktop search into your google web page when you access google, this wouldn't be a problem. So it in fact _does_ have something to do with google. It is a trivial fix for google, and a more complex fix for microsoft. Google should do the right thing and fix their desktop search (or "work around microsoft's bug", if you just can't bring yourself to admit that "super google" can make a mistake), even if their code is 'technically correct' ('technically correct from a CS 101 point of view, not a real world point of view). This 'oh, it is microsoft's problem, not ours!' crap is really childish. Google's job at this point is to protect users data they've indexed, not cover their ass, not matter who's 'fault' it is.

    3. Re:Security hole has _nothing_ to do with google! by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1
      Too bad Matan didn't use hotmail in his example. Then Microsoft would only have itself to shift the blame to.

      (Well not actually true. They could still blame the user for choosing to run such insecure software...)

  25. Corporate banning by DietCoke · · Score: 1, Informative

    This is the type of scenario we kept in mind when we decided to ban the use of the tool on our corporate PCs. It would have been nice if (at least at that time) Google had provided more than just a slight clue as to how to easily block the installation.

    Of course, it didn't take too long and isn't incredibly tamper-proof, but it's kept the average user from really sitting down to find a way to get it installed.

    This is a simple registry file that we run as part of the setup. Like I said, not too high-tech, but so far noone's spent enough time to figure out how to install it. All it does is block the filenames specified from executing. Anyhow, here's the reg code:

    -start-

    Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

    [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Policies\Explorer]
    "disallowrun"=dword:00000001

    [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Policies\Explorer\disallowrun]
    "1"="GoogleDesktop.exe"
    "2"="GoogleDesktopSearchSetup.exe"
    "3"="Troubleshoot Network.exe"
    "4"="GoogleDesktopIndex.exe"

    -end-

    Save everything between the start and end notations to a text file, rename it to whatever_you_want.reg. There you go. It's been tested on Win2k and Xp.

    Don't sue my ass for this. You're assuming the risk. In a perfect world corporate employees wouldn't have administrative rights, but the world isn't perfect.

    1. Re:Corporate banning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pity that only makes it so that you can't access google desktop, and does nothing to prevent someone from exploiting the other gazillion programs on a typical PC, including - OUTLOOK!

      If you had read the article, you'd have realized they were just using google desktop as an example. The actual bug is in IE. If anything, you should use ban Internet Explorer in a corporate environment.

    2. Re:Corporate banning by rm69990 · · Score: 1

      And had you bothered reading the article, instead of relying on Slashdot's headline and making an ass of yourself, you would know the bug resides in IE, and accessing Google Desktop was just an example given.

    3. Re:Corporate banning by Ph33r+th3+g(O)at · · Score: 1
      In a perfect world corporate employees wouldn't have administrative rights, but the world isn't perfect.

      If your users are admins, why bother with the program restrictions?

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    4. Re:Corporate banning by Pijalu · · Score: 1
      Found a security bug in your reg file, here is a patch
      -start-
      --- nogoogle.reg.ori 2005-12-03 03:26:19.000000000 +0100
      +++ nogoogle.reg 2005-12-03 03:26:35.000000000 +0100
      @@ -4,8 +4,5 @@
      "disallowrun"=dword:00000001

      [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Policies\Explorer\disallowrun]
      -"1"="G oogleDesktop.exe"
      -"2"="GoogleDesktopSearchSetup. exe"
      -"3"="Troubleshoot Network.exe"
      -"4"="GoogleDesktopIndex.exe"
      +"1"= "iexplore.exe"

      -end-
    5. Re:Corporate banning by woolio · · Score: 1

      That won't do much...

      Users would still be allowed to enter a URL in the address ar of "explorer.exe" and browse the internet.

      (*THAT's the problem with Microsoft... Their damn browser IS a part of the OS!) [in a large way]

      Even if you disallowed explorer.exe and iexplore.exe (and used a different shell), 3rd party programs could still probably use the "browser window" activeX-dll control exported by the Microsoft DLLS.

      The damn browser is really integrated into the OS...

    6. Re:Corporate banning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So setup a Squid proxy. You can block requests from getting through based on browser type (identifying string), then block all access outward at the firewall except for the proxy server's IP. Users can run IE all they want, but they wont be able to get to the net with it :)

    7. Re:Corporate banning by Pijalu · · Score: 1

      This was a joke...
      Everyone knows how to secure windows machines: Security thru no electricity(TM)

    8. Re:Corporate banning by DietCoke · · Score: 1

      The point is that by using yet another application that bridges your docs with internet search, you are expanding the possibilities of data theft. IE is bad enough, there's no need to make it easier to get to sensitive data by providing an "index", or cache. Tack on that it cache up to 5 gigs, and that when you delete a file on the system it won't always reflect in that cache?

      The tie-in is that the IE bug could be used to exploit Google Desktop Search. Though Firefox and other browser supporters (of which I am one) would like to push that the way to solve this is to switch, a lot of larger companies aren't at the point where they're ready to do so.

      So we work to remove as many threats to users as we can with the scenario we're faced with. Not a perfect situation at all, but one that we've got to adapt to until they learn the hard way.

      Google Desktop search isn't a bad app necessarily. However, when a company decides that they're going to give users admin rights, you do what you can to reduce the likelihood that they'll hose the PC or leak sensitive information. This was one way, albeit a small step.

      Liken it to soccer fans. You know they're going to the game, and that eventually they'll get rowdy. Are you willing to give one of them a beer to help speed up the process?

      By the way, thanks for the ass comment. It added so much to your post.

  26. google learned well from open source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    when your code sucks, blame the code it depends on.

  27. MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sick and tired of all the /. google fanboys...

  28. Re:Hm.. Evil Empire vs Company making great produc by ImaLamer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No, the problem isn't the Windows platform, it's the insistance of Microsoft to use Internet Explorer for every web application on the Windows platform.

    Why doesn't Google just use Mozilla's engine to render the content? (They are putting money into its development) They *would* have more control.

  29. Can it, bigot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anti-Semitism this exaggerated, I thought, could only be a twisted attempt at irony. Then I read some of your other comments, which range from the vaguely hostile towards Jews to the circumstantially Buchananesque.

    Moderators, putko's intolerant, ignorant filth is an embarrassment to us all. Check his posting history and drive him to -1 where he belongs.

  30. Just fix it. by Yartrebo · · Score: 1

    It shouldn't matter whose fault it is. That's for lawyers to decide.

    What Google should do is immediately patch their software to block that attack, and if an attack does get into the wild, shut down their service until it is patched. In the future, maybe not integrating with IE would help.

    1. Re:Just fix it. by rm69990 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      God would you people RTFA!!! It is a problem with IE, not with Google Desktop. Google Desktop does not integrate with IE, it uses the default browser on your system. When I double click on Google Desktop, Firefox opens for me.

      Also, Google Desktop was given as an EXAMPLE, the flaw can be used elsewhere.

      Of course, sitting around and pretending you know what you are talking about is easier, isn't it?

    2. Re:Just fix it. by Al+Dimond · · Score: 1

      Um, you could stand to re-RTFA too. According to aformentioned TFA all of Google's pages take an extra measure that prevents this from working, but on Google News it's broken.

  31. Joint and several liability by David+Hume · · Score: 1
    This is a complex technical issue. I can easily imagine that users of the Google software will say to themselves:

    Google Toolbar allows badguy to get data -> Google software bad

    But on the other hand, perhaps the users will say to themselves:

    Oh -- MicroSoft made yet another security mistake. Rats!

    But normally I've seen people blame the additional software -- but as software folks, we know that if you have to add a feature (in this case, the IE plugin) on a crappy foundation, normally you see the faults in the addition, and not necessarily in the main software.

    It will be neat to see how this plays out.
    However, MS and Google may apportion liability and responsibility between themselves, as to innocent third party consumers I would like to see the doctrine of joint and several liabililty applied. Under that doctrine, regardless of how MS and Google may bitch and argue about proportional liability and responsibility between themselves, each of them would be responsible for all of the damages suffered by an innocent software consumer. If MS or Google paid more than its fair share, it could seek to obtain the excess payment from the other.

    That's how it works all of the time in the real, physical world. Automobile Manufacturer negligently builds a car. Driver "A" negligently drives said car into innocent Driver "B". At common law, Driver "B" sues both Automobile Manfactuer and Driver "A" and can collect all of his damages from either (e.g., in case driver "A" is bankrupt). The innocent party is made whole, and his claim isn't delayed or thwarted because because Manufacturer and Driver "A" want to point fingers at each other to the end of time. There are statutory limitations, but the general idea is that the innocent should be compensated even at the risk of the negligent (or even more guilty) bearing some risk of paying more than their fair share.

    Of course that is what occurs in the physical, real world.

    [ Not, for course, that software vendors are financially responsible for any of the financial harm of damages they cause. -- ed.]
  32. Religious Right by zaguar · · Score: 1
    To catch the Religious rights attention, how about:

    Vulnerability allows for young, gay, interracial married couples to burn the American Flag

    Apologies to Family Guy (To Live And Die in Dixie)

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  33. Re:Hm.. Evil Empire vs Company making great produc by ArcticCelt · · Score: 0, Redundant

    "Evil Empire vs Company making great products"

    You should have more respect for Google sir!

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  34. FINALLY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally a reason to switch from IE...

    err...wait a minute...

    edit: Finally ANOTHER reason to switch from IE...

  35. Er... that -:) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not sure whether that's meant to be a face or something else I'd rather not know...

    1. Re:Er... that -:) by armareum · · Score: 0

      ...it could be a mohawk?

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  36. Re:Can it, Jew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no one fucking cares. your attempts to make him look stupid in front of his peers only makes you look like a whiney bitch.

  37. Dont worry guys by Izrath · · Score: 2, Funny

    After the next security update, all cookies created by IE will be prefixed with $sys$.

  38. Re:Hm.. Evil Empire vs Company making great produc by zootm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, the idea is that once they're "in" the system, they can basically do what the hell they like. Desktop Search is just a convenient index of data that is used by a large number of people — the only flaw pertaining to Google's product here is that it's good at its job.

  39. RTFA - Its not a flaw! by nmoog · · Score: 4, Funny

    Its an awesome feature for Developers! Developers! Developers! - This feature has been in IE at least since IE 6 came out. That means Microsoft is again leading the field when it comes to AJAX and Web2.0 products.

    Think of the awesome client-side applications people will be able to come up with now that they are no longer restricted by pesky cross-domain security policies!

    1. Re:RTFA - Its not a flaw! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Think of the awesome client-side applications people will be able to come up with now that they are no longer restricted by pesky cross-domain security policies!

      like this ?, except they dont need a browser flaw, just a few hidden 302 redirects, only phsically blocking the server with a firewall or hosts file can protect you, oh and it works on every browser and every platform that supports server redirects
      and its still in use to this day

  40. Not Google's fault, or is it? by vagabond_gr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The answer is not so simple. Sit down for a second a think.

    The flaw allows a malicious web page to open a window with a different web page and read information from there. So a script in 'www.badguy.com' can read data from 'www.goodguy.com'. Now how bad is up to here? Pretty bad, but not catastrophic. badguy.com could open, say, mail.yahoo.com, and provided you have a yahoo mail account and you login, it could read some of your mails. Is there a chance of reading private info? Yes. Is there a chance of reading a file in your disk. NO! badguy.com can't read a file in your disk using yahoo mail. And given the fact that really critical data are stored in the local disk, not webmail accounts, the danger is limited.

    Now imagine there exists a web site containing all your private local files! This is exactly what Google Desktop Search is! GDS creates a local web server at port 4664, bound only to the 127.0.0.1 to avoid remote access. It is a web site accessible only from your pc and google takes a lot of measures to ensure that. But the script at badguy.com runs in your pc, and using the exploit it can access this personal web site. Now how bad is the situation? Catastrophic. All indexed data, pretty much your whole hard disk, are accessible to badguy.com.

    Of course this wouldn't happen if there was no IE flaw. But who put all your data at a (local) web server? Google Desktop Search. IMHO, the problem is once again the tight integration of a browser to the rest of the system. If Google used a custom client to query the local index instead of the browser this wouldn't happen. It would require a flaw that allows remote code execution and these flaws are more rare and more difficult to exploit (ok, in case of MSIE it's every day routine, I agree). This exploit is a piece of cake, because local data are promptly served by GDS.

    Just to make things clear, I don't really blame Google for this. But to achieve good security you need good software design and integrating a browser with everything is not a good idea. Google made a decision on that so it has some responsibility.

    And then public opinion is a totally different subject. I totally understand someone who loses its credit card number and blames google for indexing this number and making it accessible to badguy.com. If amazon stores your credit card number in an Oracle database and the number gets stolen because of an Oracle flaw, will you blame Oracle or Amazon?

    1. Re:Not Google's fault, or is it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since it's IE requesting the file, wouldn't "file:///c:/stealme/creditcrd.txt" work just as well? Meaning there's no possible way for Google to prevent this from happening as long as it chooses to store any information on the hard drive?

    2. Re:Not Google's fault, or is it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boy, its a good thing nobody ever keeps important financial information on wwww.goodguy.com.

      Imagine how big a deal this would be if www.badguy.com could log into your bank account on www.goodguy.com and send themselves all your money. That would be almost as bad as them being able to look at your 10yr olds book report on Harry Potter.

    3. Re:Not Google's fault, or is it? by vagabond_gr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Since it's IE requesting the file, wouldn't "file:///c:/stealme/creditcrd.txt" work just as well?

      Good point. I cannot answer, it would be a very good question for the author of the exploit. Maybe it would work, maybe "file://" urls are treated differently by browsers for security reasons. But, of course, GDS makes things way too easy by allowing badguy.com to actually search for "password" in local files. Knowing the filename "stealme/creditcrd.txt" or opening thousands of files to search for a keyword is far more difficult.

      Anyway, as I said, I don't think it's really google's fault, I simply stated that it has some responsibility and that we shouldn't give right to them because GoogleIsNotEvil (TM).

      Btw, the question about "file:///" urls is very interesting. Could anyone inform us about the way these urls are treated by firefox? On the one hand they are practical. However, IMHO, it would be a good idea to disallow ANY DOM access to these urls whatsoever. It would be rather strange for a script to require access to such a url.

    4. Re:Not Google's fault, or is it? by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 1

      I am not sure if this is exactly your question, since you could check it yourself in 10 seconds, if you have Windows and Firefox... but "file:///C://" coughs up the contents just fine in FireFox.

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    5. Re:Not Google's fault, or is it? by sld126 · · Score: 1

      Exactly, it's a standard path. Should work in any relatively modern browser on any platform. That's how you can access web pages on an installer cd or your local hd, which is the point.

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    6. Re:Not Google's fault, or is it? by ReelOddeeo · · Score: 1

      You give a very clear description of the problem.

      I understand that you are not bashing Google.

      Some people would make the argument that Google has some responsibility in this because of how they designed their desktop search (as a local web server). The conclusion of this line of argument is that Google should have designed their software differently.

      To rebut that argument, one could argue that when some other hypothetical exploit comes along (and there have been some in the past) that allows www.badguy.com to execute arbitrary code, that then www.badguy.com could still exploit Google's program. Should Google have to design to guard against any hypothetical vulnerability in Microsoft's browser? Maybe Google should also be required to design to guard against vulnerabilities in other Microsoft products. That way, when some other hypothetical exploit against a differnet Microsoft product can make use of GDS, it is not Google's fault?

      Another rebuttal to that argument is that designing a program's user interface as a local web server is not an unreasonable design. GDS is not the first or only program to do this. I've seen several programs that offer a user interface via. a locally served web page. So all of those programs should be similarly blamed in the damage caused by www.badguy.com?

      No. I think the blame is squarely on Microsoft for the vulnerability, and www.badguy.com for the exploit.

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    7. Re:Not Google's fault, or is it? by vagabond_gr · · Score: 1

      You give a very clear description of the problem.
      I understand that you are not bashing Google.


      And yet, someone modded me flaimbait! At least some people pay attention.

      To rebut that argument, one could argue that when some other hypothetical exploit comes along (and there have been some in the past) that allows www.badguy.com to execute arbitrary code, that then www.badguy.com could still exploit Google's program. Should Google have to design to guard against any hypothetical vulnerability in Microsoft's browser?

      No, but it shouldn't make things easy either. For example, GDS could store indexes in encrypted files, use a small custom client to access the data and ensure that only users running interactively are able to access this client. Wouldn't things become much more difficult for the attacker? Security is all about good design, trust and compromises. If, for example, we trusted all software in our pc we wouldn't use firewalls. Since we don't we sacrifise some usability by restricting our own software, this is good design.

      Another rebuttal to that argument is that designing a program's user interface as a local web server is not an unreasonable design. GDS is not the first or only program to do this. I've seen several programs that offer a user interface via. a locally served web page. So all of those programs should be similarly blamed in the damage caused by www.badguy.com?

      As another user noted, it is common nowdays to pass everything through the browser since IT admins allow nothing to be installed in users machines. But the fact that many people do it doesn't make it a good secure choice. A lot of people use Windows nowdays, browse using IE with ActiveX enabled, open every mail attachment they receive and store their password on a post-it on their monitor. Is any of the above a good choice?

      And then it also depends a lot on what the software does. Using a browser for a calendar application is one thing, but indexing all local files? It starts to become risky.

      Btw, it makes much more sense now why Google is sponsoring Firefox through it's refferals system. Depending on your competitor's software (end especially one known to be insecure) for your security is dangerous. Microsoft could very well delay this fix (and I expect them to delay it) hurting much more Google than themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if GDS starts shipping with Firefox intergrated sometime soon.

  41. Re:Can it, Jew by grolschie · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    > Re:Can it, Jew

    Is calling somebody a "jew" supposed to be an insult or something in your book? If ones calls a human a "human", or an american an "american", isn't this just simply stating the obvious? Calling a person who isn't a jew, a "jew", simply because they find anti-semitic comments offensive, would be an ignorant and silly thing to do. "Human", "american", "chinese" and "jew", neither of these are insults.

  42. Known, unfixed flaw... by Rodness · · Score: 1

    ... the hack works because IE does not properly parse cascading style sheet (CSS) files, a Web design language used by thousands of Internet sites.

    Yeah, this was already discovered by that kid 'samy' when he thrashed MySpace. Microsoft hasn't patched it.

    But yeah, it's Google's fault. Right.

    1. Re:Known, unfixed flaw... by dalangalma · · Score: 1

      Samy's exploit had nothing to do with this flaw - rather, it had to do with entirely separate catastrophic IE flaws. Keep it straight.

    2. Re:Known, unfixed flaw... by JonJ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Can't blame a guy for getting lost in the endless list of IE flaws ;-)

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    3. Re:Known, unfixed flaw... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While the two exploits are not actually related, this brings up a rather big point.

      If it's been proven (time and time again, might I add) that Internet Explorer has huge security holes, then is Google not at least a little bit in the wrong for setting up GDS to use the default (which they know to be IE in most cases) browser. I do agree that MS should have fixed this problem, and hopefully is, but you can't let Google escape all the blame here. If your bank started using software that was known to be buggy, and someone found a way to steal all your money, who are you going to blame: the vendor or the bank?

  43. MOD PARENT DOWN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is practically a troll against Google.

    Wouldn't it be even worse if they accessed your banking info? I don't see anybody complaining about Quicken!

  44. Re:So I take it Google is lazy and will not fix th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How could they?
    The fault is in Microsofts software MS IE, not in Googles. And I understands it that Google doesn't have the source to fix that bug in MS IE.
    And IF Googles try to fix it in there software, who else will get a hit by this bug in MS IE?
    To Google to fix it's software would to give a wheel chair to one who broke his leg, and not fix the broken leg.
    So, fix the root to the problem, and not one symptom (which could show up in Googles software, among many others).

  45. My banking security is at risk again thanks MS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My wife was in the habit of using saved passwords in IE and I have Google DT on it, good thing I stopped her doing banking through IE! Now she just uses firefox and makes sure she never saves the passwords and account info, we keep them separate. It takes a few seconds longer to log in and we have to keep things written down but the extra security is well worth it. I advise all my friends and neighbours that use online banking to do exactly the same thing. It almost makes you consider switching to linux!

  46. this has everything to do with Google by recharged95 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    By Google mainly creating products on the Windows platform, they will fall into Microsoft's trap: the 'integrated approach' philosophy. With the Microsoft approach to design, ease of installation is a fact, BUT an application is as weak as its weakest component (as someone mentioned). Unfortunately, that component is built into the operating system! And so since Microsoft controls that foundation, the can easily blame any 3rd party application since the OS still "works".


    Therefore, my advice to Google: be prepared for those lawsuits where M$ points the finger at you due to a flaw in their architecture.


    Let the finger pointing games begin!!

  47. Re:Hm.. Evil Empire vs Company making great produc by __aaercy5451 · · Score: 0
    From Google's Corporate Philosophy page;
    6. You can make money without doing evil.
    Although they have the enormous potential to abuse it, given how much data they have collected from practically EVERYONE on teh Interweb, Google has done nothing so far to earn our distrust. Micro$oft, on the other hand, has done NOTHING BUT deceitful, anti-competitive shenanigans since its inception (list is too long to reproduce here). THAT is the difference!
  48. Re:Hm.. Evil Empire vs Company making great produc by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 2, Insightful

    By using the process of elimination, we know that MicroSoft can't be the "Company making great products" so they must be the "Evil Empire".

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  49. Re:Hm.. Evil Empire vs Company making great produc by da · · Score: 1

    Shouldn't that be "_we_ are all a bunch of idiots" since you're here too?

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  50. The grammar obsessed strike again by dbIII · · Score: 1
    As Chaucer wrote - "Lat every felawe telle his tale aboute".

    Just read what people write, it isn't very hard to work out what they are saying if the spelling or grammar doesn't match your local usage or even BBC English.

  51. Re:Hm.. Evil Empire vs Company making great produc by Mikkeles · · Score: 1

    A plague on both their houses.

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  52. IE Flaw by goldseries · · Score: 1

    The flaw is in IE not google desktop. Google desktop was just the program he used to test his findings. From the origonal article (http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1895579,00.a sp?kc=EWRSS03129TX1K0000614): Gillon used the Google Desktop utility to prove his findings, but in theory, any domain or application that depends on the IE cross-domain security model is vulnerable. "Thousands of Web sites can be exploited, and there isn't a simple solution against this attack at least until IE is fixed," Gillon said.

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    1. Re:IE Flaw by zlogic · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up Informative

  53. why by akhomerun · · Score: 1

    you know, it's very sad that after all these years of variouspatches and fixes being availible for people's computers, people still use inferior software more inherently prone to flaw.

  54. Re:Hm.. Evil Empire vs Company making great produc by Michalson · · Score: 4, Informative

    Didn't read the article, did you? Just spouting the same talking points over and over again. Microsoft didn't write the web application involved here (Google did), nor does the exploit have anything at all to do with Microsoft's use of IE for other purposes.

    Now after reading the article, you'll see the issue being exploited involves the fact that css files are designed (by *all* major browsers) to be the one exception to the cross-domain rule, meaning that a page on site A can get the contents of a css file located on site B.

    However IE can be exploited so that any file is a seen as a CSS file, just a very badly formatted one. Of course there are big limitations - namely that only valid css "data" from site B can be read by site A, so anything not formatted in name{stuff}; is invisible to site A.

    This particular hack takes advantage of the fact that a person with Google Desktop installed will send a special cookie when they request most pages from Google. That cookie will cause a "desktop" link to be sent back to them somewhere on the page. This desktop link contains a secret password. As soon as you know that password, you basically have full access to that persons computer through Google Desktop uris, regardless of what browser (as long as that browser supports javascript, which IE, FireFox and Opera obviously do). In simple terms, if you gave a site this password that Google sends to you, they'd have full access (this misfeature of Google Desktop also creates a big proxy server/man in the middle attack vector against a persons PC, regardless of what browser they use).

    The attack vector to obtain the password in this case is the IE css bug. A specific page on Google, Google News, puts the desktop link in such a place that if you provide a specific search query, it will end up making a section of the page around the special desktop link look like a valid css value. Because of this, site A can read the data inside that value, including the Google password. Once it has the password from that random junk of "css data", it can start accessing Google Desktop at will.

    Oh well. I hope Microsoft is paying you good money to make OSS proponents look like idiots by spouting this kind of completely uninformed bs. The sea of white noise helps to hide any real, intelligent points brought up against Microsoft or its products.

  55. Grab a kleenex and siddown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even if it was Google's fault, I doubt anyone (except Microsoft staff) would blame them. Google is the hero and Microsoft is the villain, it's always been like that. Nobody would blame the goverment if the terrorists had a valid reason.

    There's ample evidence that plenty of people on this board will blame the person at fault. They may react differently to a minor problem in Firefox than a recurring bug in IE but the blame will get laid where it belongs.

    Your second point (first non-sequitor) is partially true. Google is the hero and MS the villain. It has not always been that way nor is it likely to always be that way. MS has worked long and hard to earn their villain rep: many of us have worked in the industry for long enough to remember when MS was a reasonably honest small company. I, for one, learned a lot early on about assembly language and systems programming by studying the source code for MS TRS-Basic (yes, MS was an open source company once). Through college and university I saw them get larger and gradually transition to become the industry-crushing monster they are today. I've given almost every MS tool and paradigm it's chance: eventually, I saw that everything they didn't steal or buy was half a bad solution to a problem someone else had already solved well.

    Your third point (2nd non-sequitor) is just incoherent. I'm pretty sure you meant the opposite of approximately what you said but there's still the matter of a missing reason for the blame. I haven't heard anyone imply that the government committed the terrorist attacks (if they had, they probably would have targeted a poor ethnic neighbourhood rather than a military and economic target filled with friends and associates). You may have also meant (perhaps in the context of the British bombings) that if the bombings provided no apparent benefit to anyone but the government, people would blame the government. Except for a few tinfoil hat jobs, this is obviously not the case.

  56. Re:Hm.. Evil Empire vs Company making great produc by Baricom · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Google has done nothing so far to earn our distrust.

    They have begun to scan several thousand books cover to cover, without the permission of the author or the publisher, and arguably in violation of copyright law.

    That's enough for me to be wary of trusting them. Granted, their record is better than Microsoft's, but it still leaves something to be desired.

  57. d'oh by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 1
    of course the brackets got eaten... should have read:

    Firefox will also show "file:///C://<path>/<asciifile>" contents...

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  58. Re:Hm.. Evil Empire vs Company making great produc by achacha · · Score: 1

    Google is the next Microsoft... give it a year or two or when any of their products are not beta...

  59. Well what ya know by Compaq_Hater · · Score: 1

    Google is bringing them down, one warez, porn and Virus search at a time.

    thats gotta be the best news i read in a while :).

    CH

  60. I think Google should... by huckda · · Score: 1

    reject any requests for pages on any of their sites from IE...and force the masses to utilize those browsers superior like Firefox and Opera...

    Wanna see how many machines would have Firefox if they blocked all IE browsers?

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    1. Re:I think Google should... by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      I'm a firefox user, but if someone blocked a site against whatever browser I'm using at the moment, I'd go find another site instead. You suggestion wouldn't hurt IE, but only Google, unfortunately. This isn't hypothetical, by the way. It wasn't that long ago (when using IE) that some of my favorite sites had a lot of downtime issues. I found other sites. And my bank didn't support anything except IE. I very very nearly changed banks, and that's a lot harder than changing browsers. They've smartened up now.

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    2. Re:I think Google should... by pedantic+bore · · Score: 1
      That's a great idea!

      Just give me until Monday so I can short a few thousand shares of Google...

      If Google blocks IE, people are going to take the path of least resistance and use a different search engine. It's not as if there aren't other perfectly adequate search engines. Google doesn't have the sort of monopoly necessary to pull this off.

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  61. Re:Dump GDS by dantheman82 · · Score: 1

    Maybe you should step back and think about this. I know some people as a knee-jerk reaction will accuse Microsoft off the bat. However, why doesn't anyone ask the obvious question of why Google chose to run their Desktop Search in a browser, especially IE? Obviously, they were aware of the fact that IE has a huge installation base and isn't known for pristine security. You're obviously asking for problems off the bat - and now we have some. Notice that MSN Desktop Search doesn't have this issue.

    Note: I use neither MSN or Google Desktop Search. I much prefer Copernic Desktop Search because it doesn't run in a browser and has better preview and more refined search capabilities. And the stale Google Desktop Search links really pissed me off - I've never had that happen in CDS.

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  62. Adolescence == I KNOW ALL!! by I'm+Don+Giovanni · · Score: 1

    "Google has done nothing so far to earn our distrust. Micro$oft, on the other hand, has done NOTHING BUT deceitful, anti-competitive shenanigans since its inception (list is too long to reproduce here). THAT is the difference!"

    How old are you, twelve?

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  63. uhhh, wha? Is browser-switching THAT complex? by Phil+Urich · · Score: 1

    One thing I've never really gotten.

    Though Firefox and other browser supporters (of which I am one) would like to push that the way to solve this is to switch, a lot of larger companies aren't at the point where they're ready to do so.

    You make it sound as if it's a major systems overhaul that has to be done, with methods and practices being restructured and files reformatted and babble babble babble. We're not talking changing Word Processors here, where you might have a sudden incompatability between the reports and records and etc. In theory a browser switch should be pretty damn transparent.

    I repeat, it's not like you're using IE to create any files, it's just a passive browsing system with which to interact with online information and objects . . . unless your company has some sort of foolish web-app they use internally that is based heavily on something quirkily Microsoft-made like ActiveX, then I'd think using a browser that complies better with, yaknow, the standards (among all the other issues, like security) would be an easy simple change with non-trivial benefits.

    Sorry, I must be bordering a bit on sardonic. I really don't mean to be, I'm curious. Incredulous, yes, but not mockingly. I just can't quite fathom it, what the hell is the big apocalyptic deal?

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    1. Re:uhhh, wha? Is browser-switching THAT complex? by DietCoke · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the thoughtful post. I'll go over some of the reasons:

      "You make it sound as if it's a major systems overhaul that has to be done, with methods and practices being restructured and files reformatted and babble babble babble. We're not talking changing Word Processors here, where you might have a sudden incompatability between the reports and records and etc. In theory a browser switch should be pretty damn transparent."

      In theory it should be. Unfortunately, because several web applications (ironically, one being IBM) require ActiveX controls (like you referred to later on), a switch isn't so easy. The investments that have been put into those apps outweigh the benefits of a simple switch - to the folks that count the beans.

      "...what the hell is the big apocalyptic deal?"

      I agree. At the same time, the key thing that Firefox and other browser supporters need to do is pressure these other companies to start making their web apps cross-browser compatible. While the company I work for may not be ready right now to upgrade or change, sooner or later folks like me will get to pick the next web apps to use. And part of that criteria will be cross-browser compatibility.

      In the meantime, I essentially work to reduce the ability for employees to run while carrying scissors.

  64. Re:Hm.. Evil Empire vs Company making great produc by urutora90 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I wonder how you can completely ignore the fact that Google is supporting censorship in china. Yes, they are a company so seeking profits, but since the IPO, the "6. You can make money without doing evil." might have changed a *little* bit.

  65. "Which" is the company making "products"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It certainly isn't Google, as I don't know of anywhere I can purchase anything they've "made".

    A product is a thing for sale. If not for sale, then it merely is a thing.

  66. Re:Dump GDS by BootNinja · · Score: 1

    Every one of google's products runs in a browser. That's the way google does business. They create "Web Apps" which pretty much means accessed by browser. They just don't do things any other way. sorry, that's just life.

  67. Re:Hm.. Evil Empire vs Company making great produc by utnow · · Score: 1

    so... the problem is that they insisted on using IE as the platform for their web-application despite the fact that (as you pointed out in detail) IE has basic flaws that MS seems very reluctant (or just is too lazy) to fix?

    So one possible solution to this problem (as the plethora of problems that always seem to crop up anytime anything uses IE) is to build the application on another foundation... maybe one who's development google happens to be funding in some capacity.

    Sorry... I'm just pointing out that you are saying the same thing (in much more detail) that the grandparent said. No need to squabble amongst those on your side.

  68. Re:Hm.. Evil Empire vs Company making great produc by martin-boundary · · Score: 2, Funny

    Google's on first.

  69. Late again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And again, a friend of mine sent this in two days ago and the editors missed it :-(

  70. Why would you need it anyway? by Hosiah · · Score: 1

    I've never seen the OS that didn't have some kind of search capabilities, and in Linux we have excellent tools which can even be combined and scripted from the command line into the custom algorithm of your choice. Why exactly, would anybody want a web site to crawl their hard drive in the first place? When I first heard of that, I thought it sounded a little risky.

  71. Re:Hm.. Evil Empire vs Company making great produc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Didn't read the article, did you? Just spouting the same talking points over and over again. Microsoft didn't write the web application involved here (Google did)

    I'm sorry maybe I'm reading a different article that the one you are. The exploit description specifically says this:

    "This definitely looks like a flaw in IE and not a Google bug". [Steve Manzuik, eEye Digital Security]

    "Thousands of web sites can be exploited and there isn't a simple solution against this attack at least until IE is fixed. That means millions of IE users are affected by this design flaw".

    "The proof of concept works on a fully patched IE browser (default security and privacy settings) with Google Desktop v2 installed. It will not work on any other browser unless the browser is derived from IE".

    If browser A can be uses as a vector to attack google desktop search and browser B can not. By what logic can you say the exploit has nothing to to with browser A, er .. IE ?

    > nor does the exploit have anything at all to do with Microsoft's use of IE for other purposes.

    What school of logic are you using here. Allow me to translate: Because of Microsoft design intentions regarding IE for other purposes the current IE hack involving Google Desktop Search has nothing to do with defects in IE. Despite the fact that Firefox and Opera are immune.

    It *is* Microsofts specific decision to bury the HTML rendering engine in the OS that has directly lead to this situation. The current virus/worm/spam infestation.

    > This particular hack takes advantage of the fact that a person with Google Desktop ..

    "You can bet we will see this one being used to steal users' Quicken data, database files, etc." Tom Ferris

  72. If Google had a client... by Cardbox · · Score: 1

    The new religion among IT admins is to ban any software from being installed on users' PCs. So instead of having small fast interactive secure application-specific clients, everything has to go through the browser.

    The fact that anything that goes through the browser is vulnerable to any attack launched on the browser - and can potentially expose all the organization's confidential data to whatever browser vulnerability the attackers choose to exploit - is ignored because it would sully the purity of the doctrine.

  73. great. by nuckin+futs · · Score: 1

    any guesses on when we will see the headline Microsoft Releases 'highly critical' patch on here?

  74. Google's Patched It Already by wstfgl · · Score: 1
    (I don't think anybody has pointed this out yet...)

    Never fear, Google-lovers! This might help you survive the terrible crisis ;-)

    Google's already introduced a 'quick fix' patch -- the proof of concept doesn't work, and there's a bit of HTML* in the Google News page http://news.google.co.uk/ that seems to be aimed at stopping this hack.

    I'd say that's pdq in the business for fixing a problem that's not even your fault.

    * For those of you who can't be bothered to find it: '<!--"/*"/*-->' before the desktop link, causing it to be read as a CSS comment and preventing it being picked up in the 'css-text' property.

  75. Somebody broke into my house - stole my wallet by shoolz · · Score: 1

    I blame Gucci for not making my wallet more secure.

  76. Re:Hm.. Evil Empire vs Company making great produc by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 1
    This particular hack takes advantage of the fact that a person with Google Desktop installed will send a special cookie when they request most pages from Google. That cookie will cause a "desktop" link to be sent back to them somewhere on the page. This desktop link contains a secret password.

    That's not how it works. Go back and read the article again, they use a browser plugin to rewrite the web page as it's downloaded - probably a BHO.

  77. Re:Hm.. Evil Empire vs Company making great produc by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 1

    That cookie will cause a "desktop" link to be sent back to them somewhere on the page. This desktop link contains a secret password. As soon as you know that password, you basically have full access to that persons computer through Google Desktop uris, regardless of what browser (as long as that browser supports javascript, which IE, FireFox and Opera obviously do).

    GDS also has protection in that by default only localhost can access the GDS server, which means that for outside access, I generally have to make an SSH tunnel.

    GDS security would be much more effective if it required you to log on each session and allowed you to connect from anywhere.

  78. Exploit not working on my IE! by cspeye · · Score: 1

    I agree, CSS cross-scripting is a problem, and i'm quite certain this exploit works on most IEs.

    But I've been lowering the security on my IE all the way for the past 15 minutes and I still can't get this damned thing to become exploited! It's only worked when I placed hacker.co.il on my trusted sites list. I suspect that it's because I've fixed up a lot of the default security settings in IE ("navigate sub-frames across different domains", almost blatantly a CSS "feature" that's left enabled on IE by default) and the settings only get updated if I restart my computer (which I'm too lazy to do right now).

    Whenever I test this exploit, it only returns a JavaScript error saying "access is denied" for the line where the exploit tries to access the cssText property.

    I'd bet most of you right now are reaching for that mod +funny button, but I'm serious here. For those three other people on slashdot who still use IE, fix your internet zone settings so that all the weird options in "miscellaneous" to "disable", restart, and see if the exploit still works.

    If it doesn't, well, looks like we've caught microsoft shipping IE with XSS turned on by default. If it still does work, then ignore this post. I've seriously f***ed up my IE beyond its normal set of exploits and bugs.

  79. Wrongo by Artemis · · Score: 1

    FYI - you're wrong when you say "every one of google's products runs in a browser". There's this fancy thing called Google Earth. A stand-alone download-required application that runs only on Windows. Amazing.

    1. Re:Wrongo by BootNinja · · Score: 1

      I stand corrected. I hadn't really heard that about Google Earth. Consider the statement withdrawn.

  80. Yeah, you got it... by ImaLamer · · Score: 1
    Now just write your own sentence over and over on the chalkboard until you get the point:
    The attack vector to obtain the password in this case is the IE css bug.

    So it has everything to do with IE, just like we both said. Only I was right and you were - oh, so wrong.
  81. Re:Hm.. Evil Empire vs Company making great produc by krakelohm · · Score: 1

    Nope... I am excluded. :)

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  82. Re:Can it, Jew by Old+Wolf · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is calling somebody a "jew" supposed to be an insult or something in your book? If ones calls a human a "human", or an american an "american", isn't this just simply stating the obvious? Calling a person who isn't a jew, a "jew", simply because they find anti-semitic comments offensive, would be an ignorant and silly thing to do. "Human", "american", "chinese" and "jew", neither of these are insults.

    Shut up, fag! And what's wrong with Chinese, are you racist?