Let's face it, spammers are a PITA. Why not just invoke the old west style justice? Bringing in a head works for me.:-) Hang 'um, or better yet chop off their fingers so they have to type with their nose... 10K a finger, second offense is burning their eyes out of their sockets.
Seriously though, just imagine the extra bandwith that we could enjoy without spam. I remember accessing the inet in the "early" days via a VAX system, ftp was it folks... but it was way cool!
Even the poorest of the poor have cell phones, air conditioning, automobiles, refridgerators, color TV's and 2000 calorie diets.
Wow, well I can remember back to Aug. 2001 when my myself, wife and kids lived in a shelter after moving out west to Montana. After making $40k+ a year, it was "quite" an adjustment dropping down to a wage of $10k for a family of 4. We still don't own a microwave.. that would be nice! The car is a 1985 model, we RARELY get to even go out to eat, and the dollar menu don't count.
Wages out here totally SUCK, and we're trying to save up to purchase a newer vehicle and move back to the midwest... at least there you can actually make some money.
The goverment should pull their collective heads out of their asses... IMHO. I'd like to see how quick all this would change if we outsourced senate positions.:)
I've read through the thread here and agree with others about setting up a small network at home and just go for it. If you need say.. samba, print servers etc, do that. Pick up a bunch of books from O'Reily, read and get up to par on firewalls and security.
Something others seemed to miss here is that you should do a audit of current equipment/computers that the company wants to run Linux on. Is the hardware supported? Any weird raid controllers that don't have support under Linux? (you get the idea) This can also be used to narrow down you're dist choice.
Personally, I've setup and admin'ed a new ISP setup and the ONLY reason we went with RH is a stupid raid controller that the higher ups wanted.. and was only supported via RH dist. Personally, I'd go with Debian if I had to do it all over again and tell them to stick that raid controller somewhere. (another story all together)
The "official" classes would be good also, but not online. Besides that, getting out of town, learning something AND getting paid isn't such a bad thing now... is it?:)
Ok, a buddy of mine just bought a Palm Tungston 3 and we were discussing what it can all do. He can: play mp3s, voice record, scheduler, alarm, (normal stuff) do APRS, even has a GPS hooked up and the palm tells him "turn left in 3 tenths of a mile, etc.., plus the ability to install games and other software. (aprs for example)
The Ipod on the other hand, does one thing well and thats play music. It has a voice recorder, alarm and a scheduler that you cannot enter info to, you have to dock it and then transfer the info to it.(?)
The Ipod does have a ton of more space, but then again the Palm has a sd card... pricing is $399 for either the 40GB model, or the Palm.
One other quick question, if you are going to purchase a 20GB Ipod for $299, why even consider a Ipod-mini for $249, when it only has 4GB?
I've been thinking about getting a laptop for a few months now. Doing some research and such, and I *really* DO NOT want to *uck around getting linux installed where everything is working correctly. (almost impossible on most laptops these days) I just shot over to HP's site and my configuration would run $2020.00. I'm also not a big SuSE fan, prefering Debian.
Note to all the bashers here, I admin various Linux servers all the time, and have a few at home, so bite me. My idea of a laptop is to kick back upstairs or down in the computer room without any wires, watch a movie, burn a dvd/cdr, listen to tunes and browser the internet, without all the configuration bs.
So I've actually been looking into a Mac, pretty much everything I need, plus the kids and wife will be able to use it easier than the two linux boxes running debian and windowmaker. That along with the fact that the only version of Windows I have here is 98 SE, which doesn't work with a Ipod, which the kids (ok... me to) would like, and I'll be damned before I give Bill any money for XP.
Last time we had a POTS line was back in 2001, now we have a cell and broadband. Almost everyone I know has a cell and NO POTS. I mean, you get a fixed bill that for us costs $45.00US a month, in-state free LD, voice mail and unlimited anytime minutes. If I need to call out of state, I go to Walmart and buy a 120 minute AT&T card for $8.99 and there you go. (check out those cards, there is a big difference rate wise)
I'd like to try one out, but the 10oz deal kinda sucks, since 12oz cans are the norm. I also buy my beer in the 24oz, besides the 12oz.
Another cooler that I've been using for years is made by LIFOAM of Canada Inc out of Toronto. It's called "The Fridge" drink cooler. Just toss them in you're freezer, and after they freeze they're good to go...just insert cold brew... keeps them good and cold for hours. Walmart and Kmart sell them, + a few other places I'd imagine. (just a happy consumer)
People who complain about X being "bulky", "bloated" and all that are trolls. It was designed on slim hardware and designed flexibly.
Really? I'm not a troll, and running XFree86 from the current unstable on Debian isn't exactly fast on a Pentium 120MHz system. (in no way) Comparing my old system to the new 1.6GHz system is like driving a Pinto vs a Ferrari.
The real test is to simply use it. Try Feather Linux or any of the other tiny distros out on some crufty old hardware and see for yourself. I've got a 90 MHz laptop that runs X just fine with 24MB of RAM thanks to Woody, fluxbox and other light applications. Gnome 1.4 also is snappy enough, though KDE is a little slow. X is not the problem if there is one! Feather runs even faster running testing and unstable Debian code and I suspect that two further years of going down Gosling's path is responsible. Of course newer hardware runs better and I don't have problems with things like xawtv, Xine or quake running with KDE or Window Maker on top of X.
From where I stand, I have no idea what people are talking about when they complain about X. They never say anything specific.
Running Xine, quake or anything else on my old computer is like my comparision above. Just don't cut it. Xine on the new system work's great. I also run Apache2, Xprt and XFS in the background, along with APRS software. I think KDE sucks, reminds me of Windows to much.. although I do run some KDE apps. WindowMaker is *my* choice, and I even gave KDE a shot for a few weeks... still hated it. XFree86 *has* eaten up resources as it matures, which is *ok*..., but saying that it's ok on a 90MHz system is bullsh*t..., really.
I normally play games like Xmame, (old arcade games) sopwith, cards, chess, etc. I remember the old Airwarriers, Mechwars and such.. way cool. Another good game that's out and has been around forever is Subspace, windows only, and the only reason I'd even install it again. Starting out back when Compute magazine was "the" rag and sitting up for hours copying code and then getting a failure, debugging and finally getting the damn thing running.. cool.. and then the power goes out... ahhhh! Lost everthing. Didn't want the tape drive, and just couldnt afford the 10MB hd for $600+.
I seriously doubt that this would work. Think about it for a second... I mean, the DMV can't even set up the timing on intersections now, and everytime they do they even screw things up more.
Just a personal gripe about needing "flash" to use their web site. Why people design sites like this is beyond me. I can see a flash and a non-flash version, but what the hell?
I'd pretty much agree on this. The "average" user will want things setup easily. What I'd like to see is a specific site based on the dist and installation. Humm, want to setup postfix, procmail, fetchmail and mutt? Click on say debian and see the result. (give example screenshots of various email clients, etc?) Setting up a VJC? Same thing. All of it should be point and click to various dists. Another point is hardware based, like picking out the right Xserver, enabling options based on you're video card, etc. (pita if you're not a computer type geek) DVD / CDRW etc. It all needs to be easier for the average type. I wouldn't even consider sending my folks a linux system unless I automated it for updates and such. (they use a webtv setup, and there ya go)
>On Linux, you've gotta download that one file and >then find all of it's dependencies that aren't >installed on your system and install them. Then >install the dependencies of the dependency. It >gets to be a pain in the ass.
Humm, just install Debian and use apt-get.:-) Simple enough!
Humm, this one is kinda tuff. I have positively hated MS since day one. 8-) I personally started out on a Commodore 64 using the "Compute" magazine to code from, since back then there was either tape or floppy for storage. God forbid if the power went out! Then I upgraded to a Apple IIc and added 2 external 3.5" floppys, running a bbs.. people would call to have me swap disks. GEOS was also "the" GUI at that time. Then I upgraded to a IBM clone XT, stuffed in two 20MB hard drives with (name not remembered) RLL controller which expanded the drives capacity... set me back around $2000 US. I ran DESQview, and networked another system via LANTastic. I ran DOS, went to ESIX Unix and toyed with Xenix, discovered Linux at like 0.90 or so version and have been here since. I hated Windows when it came out, but my clients started asking about it and I had to support it. If nothing else (as others have mentioned) it has progressed the market in terms of faster CPU's, ram, video cards, etc. Personally I still think there is alot of programming "overhead" nowdays.. but then again, I still enjoy playing empire and sopwith.;-)
If there wasn't a MS, then there would be either Apple, or IBM and who knows if OS/2 would have even popped into view. (along with Linux for that matter) Speaking of Apple, I'd love a new G5 but damn it!.. drop the prices! I guess I could go on for quite awhile, but I'll end it here.
I was a former business partner with a "supposed" good friend of mine. I invested $20k in cash, and I was burned for $30k... not counting the $12k "estimated" back state taxes, that was the judgement against me. (living "way" out of state)
Rules: Always pay a CPA to do your books *every* month. Hold meetings, and keep track of ALL sales, especially shipping via second address situation. (i.e., charge card to second party stuff) Do NOT sign at the bank for being a CPO or whatever unless you're "TOTALLY" aware of everything. Yep, I got burned... big time, and now that previous asshole partner is sitting in prison for 20+ years, but I still got burned for around $45k.
Results of this: My credit is trashed, had to move out of state and introduce my family to a shelter for the first 2 months. (did get a job right away though, as a janitor vs a systems admin... but it pays the bills) And the other hardships you can just imagine, but it's working out.
Well, I think the original thread should be modded up since the first thing I thought of when seeing this article was the "Fidonet", which existed way prior to the internet. Accessing the net back then.. when it started was normally via a 300 baud modem connect to a local collage VAC system, and then only with a terminal program, and that would allow you to ftp to sunsite and such. Off my ramp now, FidoNet was a good thing even though the phone bills could set you back hundreds of U.S. dollars a month. (trust me on this!) I've personally known of a few eastern hubs that would pass mail to europe and have bills that would be over $1k U.S. a month. (and people bitch about their $100 a month inet connection...!)
SCO is "so" full of it that I'm just amazed. Anyone remember Xenix? Well, a long time ago SCO support was in a nutshell $100.00 a question. I called them in regards to the "new" USRobotics HST modem support, and they couldn't figure it out. Guess what? I figured it out myself and like a idiot, sent the fix to SCO. Am I entitled to compensation? Nahhh..., was I credited... nope. This company is lame!
> On the job with... > > Gary Morse > Founder and CEO > Razorpoint Security
Wow, so Gary really is a freak'in looser! In any real admin's job it would be that he would protect his/her systems on a normal basis, yet Gary the so called geek is suddenly popping up claiming he is the god of security... sucking up on the 9/11 disaster. What is so NEW in this story? Nothing! Sounds like a self endorsement for getting more work to me. Poof! Bla bla bla...
Hummm, what would be fair? Considering all of the companies that MS either bought, forced out or just killed via idea theft(tm) I'd say we should just line up the principle leaders of MS and have a good ole' stoning. Sell the tickets for $1k a toss, and donate it all to you're favorite distrubution of Linux or BSD. Although we'd have to sell "small" rocks, to make things last for awhile. OR, MS could pay for each security flaw. (that would pay better!)
Right now I get hit about 40-70 times per hour with this. Thank god for Linux and iptables.:-) Funny thing is, most of the hits are from my cable providers network. Anyone want a retail box of NT 4.0 workstation? hehe...
Ok, I just glanced over at my cd rack and have the following os's: FreeBSD 3.1, OpenBSD 2.6, SuSE 5.3, 6.1 and 6.4. OS/2 2.1 beta(s) and the developers kit... and Windows 95 upgrade. All the flavors of Linux/BSD I purchased, either from Best Buy or at a trade show. The 95 upgrade hasn't been touched, and I just keep it around for some odd ball clients with old hardware. Ramble ramble.
I guess the point I'm making is that I support Linux by purchasing the boxed sets. I don't have a problem with it, and I'd rather give them money than Microsoft. My current os is Debian, and the only one I've ever actually did a install over the internet with. (very cool!) I'll just send them some donations for brews or something.;-)
Gotta love that apt-get update, apt-get upgrade!
Did I spend more money on Linux than Microsoft? Yep, sure did... and I'm proud of it! And it wasn't forced down my throat!
Opps, missed the 2 Caldara cd's... they were free, and I never installed them after watching my buddy install it, and trying to patch the damn thing for security fixes. I still have ESIX and Solaris sitting around here somewhere also. (tossed Xenix years back)
Personally, I *wish* a good lawyer would help for free on this issue. Adobe needs to get slapped for this, since "Illistrator" is a common word. I was considering to upgrade Photoshop, but not anymore. Is there *any* viable options to Adobe's product(s)? (on both the Mac and PC)
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Let's face it, spammers are a PITA. Why not just invoke the old west style justice? Bringing in a head works for me. :-) Hang 'um, or better yet chop off their fingers so they have to type with their nose... 10K a finger, second offense is burning their eyes out of their sockets.
Seriously though, just imagine the extra bandwith that we could enjoy without spam. I remember accessing the inet in the "early" days via a VAX system, ftp was it folks... but it was way cool!
Just rambling...
Even the poorest of the poor have cell phones, air conditioning, automobiles, refridgerators, color TV's and 2000 calorie diets.
Wow, well I can remember back to Aug. 2001 when my myself, wife and kids lived in a shelter after moving out west to Montana. After making $40k+ a year, it was "quite" an adjustment dropping down to a wage of $10k for a family of 4. We still don't own a microwave.. that would be nice! The car is a 1985 model, we RARELY get to even go out to eat, and the dollar menu don't count.
Wages out here totally SUCK, and we're trying to save up to purchase a newer vehicle and move back to the midwest... at least there you can actually make some money.
The goverment should pull their collective heads out of their asses... IMHO. I'd like to see how quick all this would change if we outsourced senate positions.
I've read through the thread here and agree with others about setting up a small network at home and just go for it. If you need say.. samba, print servers etc, do that. Pick up a bunch of books from O'Reily, read and get up to par on firewalls and security.
:)
Something others seemed to miss here is that you should do a audit of current equipment/computers that the company wants to run Linux on. Is the hardware supported? Any weird raid controllers that don't have support under Linux? (you get the idea) This can also be used to narrow down you're dist choice.
Personally, I've setup and admin'ed a new ISP setup and the ONLY reason we went with RH is a stupid raid controller that the higher ups wanted.. and was only supported via RH dist. Personally, I'd go with Debian if I had to do it all over again and tell them to stick that raid controller somewhere. (another story all together)
The "official" classes would be good also, but not online. Besides that, getting out of town, learning something AND getting paid isn't such a bad thing now... is it?
Ok, a buddy of mine just bought a Palm Tungston 3 and we were discussing what it can all do. He can: play mp3s, voice record, scheduler, alarm, (normal stuff) do APRS, even has a GPS hooked up and the palm tells him "turn left in 3 tenths of a mile, etc.., plus the ability to install games and other software. (aprs for example)
The Ipod on the other hand, does one thing well and thats play music. It has a voice recorder, alarm and a scheduler that you cannot enter info to, you have to dock it and then transfer the info to it.(?)
The Ipod does have a ton of more space, but then again the Palm has a sd card... pricing is $399 for either the 40GB model, or the Palm.
One other quick question, if you are going to purchase a 20GB Ipod for $299, why even consider a Ipod-mini for $249, when it only has 4GB?
I've been thinking about getting a laptop for a few months now. Doing some research and such, and I *really* DO NOT want to *uck around getting linux installed where everything is working correctly. (almost impossible on most laptops these days) I just shot over to HP's site and my configuration would run $2020.00. I'm also not a big SuSE fan, prefering Debian.
Note to all the bashers here, I admin various Linux servers all the time, and have a few at home, so bite me. My idea of a laptop is to kick back upstairs or down in the computer room without any wires, watch a movie, burn a dvd/cdr, listen to tunes and browser the internet, without all the configuration bs.
So I've actually been looking into a Mac, pretty much everything I need, plus the kids and wife will be able to use it easier than the two linux boxes running debian and windowmaker. That along with the fact that the only version of Windows I have here is 98 SE, which doesn't work with a Ipod, which the kids (ok... me to) would like, and I'll be damned before I give Bill any money for XP.
Last time we had a POTS line was back in 2001, now we have a cell and broadband. Almost everyone I know has a cell and NO POTS. I mean, you get a fixed bill that for us costs $45.00US a month, in-state free LD, voice mail and unlimited anytime minutes. If I need to call out of state, I go to Walmart and buy a 120 minute AT&T card for $8.99 and there you go. (check out those cards, there is a big difference rate wise)
I'd like to try one out, but the 10oz deal kinda sucks, since 12oz cans are the norm. I also buy my beer in the 24oz, besides the 12oz.
Another cooler that I've been using for years is made by LIFOAM of Canada Inc out of Toronto. It's called "The Fridge" drink cooler. Just toss them in you're freezer, and after they freeze they're good to go...just insert cold brew... keeps them good and cold for hours. Walmart and Kmart sell them, + a few other places I'd imagine. (just a happy consumer)
People who complain about X being "bulky", "bloated" and all that are trolls. It was designed on slim hardware and designed flexibly.
Really? I'm not a troll, and running XFree86 from
the current unstable on Debian isn't exactly fast
on a Pentium 120MHz system. (in no way) Comparing
my old system to the new 1.6GHz system is like
driving a Pinto vs a Ferrari.
The real test is to simply use it. Try Feather Linux or any of the other tiny distros out on some crufty old hardware and see for yourself. I've got a 90 MHz laptop that runs X just fine with 24MB of RAM thanks to Woody, fluxbox and other light applications. Gnome 1.4 also is snappy enough, though KDE is a little slow. X is not the problem if there is one! Feather runs even faster running testing and unstable Debian code and I suspect that two further years of going down Gosling's path is responsible. Of course newer hardware runs better and I don't have problems with things like xawtv, Xine or quake running with KDE or Window Maker on top of X.
From where I stand, I have no idea what people are talking about when they complain about X. They never say anything specific.
Running Xine, quake or anything else on my old
computer is like my comparision above. Just don't cut it. Xine on the new system work's great. I also run Apache2, Xprt and XFS in the background, along with APRS software. I think KDE sucks, reminds me of Windows to much.. although I do run some KDE apps. WindowMaker is *my* choice, and I even gave KDE a shot for a few weeks... still hated it. XFree86 *has* eaten up resources as it matures, which is *ok*..., but saying that it's ok on a 90MHz system is bullsh*t..., really.
I normally play games like Xmame, (old arcade games) sopwith, cards, chess, etc. I remember the old Airwarriers, Mechwars and such.. way cool. Another good game that's out and has been around forever is Subspace, windows only, and the only reason I'd even install it again. Starting out back when Compute magazine was "the" rag and sitting up for hours copying code and then getting a failure, debugging and finally getting the damn thing running.. cool.. and then the power goes out... ahhhh! Lost everthing. Didn't want the tape drive, and just couldnt afford the 10MB hd for $600+.
I seriously doubt that this would work. Think about it for a second... I mean, the DMV can't even set up the timing on intersections now, and everytime they do they even screw things up more.
Just a personal gripe about needing "flash" to use their web site. Why people design sites like this is beyond me. I can see a flash and a non-flash version, but what the hell?
QST, Easyrider, Linux Journel, Hot Bike
and a few others.
I'd pretty much agree on this. The "average" user will want things setup easily. What I'd like to see is a specific site based on the dist and installation. Humm, want to setup postfix, procmail, fetchmail and mutt? Click on say debian and see the result. (give example screenshots of various email clients, etc?) Setting up a VJC? Same thing. All of it should be point and click to various dists. Another point is hardware based, like picking out the right Xserver, enabling options based on you're video card, etc. (pita if you're not a computer type geek) DVD / CDRW etc. It all needs to be easier for the average type. I wouldn't even consider sending my folks a linux system unless I automated it for updates and such. (they use a webtv setup, and there ya go)
>On Linux, you've gotta download that one file and >then find all of it's dependencies that aren't >installed on your system and install them. Then >install the dependencies of the dependency. It >gets to be a pain in the ass.
:-)
Humm, just install Debian and use apt-get.
Simple enough!
Humm, this one is kinda tuff. I have positively hated MS since day one. 8-) I personally started out on a Commodore 64 using the "Compute" magazine to code from, since back then there was either tape or floppy for storage. God forbid if the power went out! Then I upgraded to a Apple IIc and added 2 external 3.5" floppys, running a bbs.. people would call to have me swap disks. GEOS was also "the" GUI at that time. Then I upgraded to a IBM clone XT, stuffed in two 20MB hard drives with (name not remembered) RLL controller which expanded the drives capacity... set me back around $2000 US. I ran DESQview, and networked another system via LANTastic. I ran DOS, went to ESIX Unix and toyed with Xenix, discovered Linux at like 0.90 or so version and have been here since. ;-)
.. drop the prices! I guess I could go on for quite awhile, but I'll end it here.
I hated Windows when it came out, but my clients started asking about it and I had to support it. If nothing else (as others have mentioned) it has progressed the market in terms of faster CPU's, ram, video cards, etc. Personally I still think there is alot of programming "overhead" nowdays.. but then again, I still enjoy playing empire and sopwith.
If there wasn't a MS, then there would be either Apple, or IBM and who knows if OS/2 would have even popped into view. (along with Linux for that matter) Speaking of Apple, I'd love a new G5 but damn it!
I was a former business partner with a "supposed" good friend of mine. I invested $20k in cash, and I was burned for $30k... not counting the $12k "estimated" back state taxes, that was the judgement against me. (living "way" out of state)
Rules: Always pay a CPA to do your books *every* month. Hold meetings, and keep track of ALL sales, especially shipping via second address situation. (i.e., charge card to second party stuff) Do NOT sign at the bank for being a CPO or whatever unless you're "TOTALLY" aware of everything. Yep, I got burned... big time, and now that previous asshole partner is sitting in prison for 20+ years, but I still got burned for around $45k.
Results of this: My credit is trashed, had to move out of state and introduce my family to a shelter for the first 2 months. (did get a job right away though, as a janitor vs a systems admin... but it pays the bills) And the other hardships you can just imagine, but it's working out.
Well, I think the original thread should be .. when it started was normally via
modded up since the first thing I thought of
when seeing this article was the "Fidonet", which
existed way prior to the internet. Accessing the
net back then
a 300 baud modem connect to a local collage VAC
system, and then only with a terminal program,
and that would allow you to ftp to sunsite and
such. Off my ramp now, FidoNet was a good thing
even though the phone bills could set you back
hundreds of U.S. dollars a month. (trust me on this!) I've personally known of a few eastern
hubs that would pass mail to europe and have
bills that would be over $1k U.S. a month. (and
people bitch about their $100 a month inet connection...!)
SCO is "so" full of it that I'm just amazed. Anyone remember Xenix? Well, a long time ago SCO support was in a nutshell $100.00 a question. I called them in regards to the "new" USRobotics HST modem support, and they couldn't figure it out. Guess what? I figured it out myself and like a idiot, sent the fix to SCO. Am I entitled to compensation? Nahhh..., was I credited... nope. This company is lame!
> On the job with...
>
> Gary Morse
> Founder and CEO
> Razorpoint Security
Wow, so Gary really is a freak'in looser! In any real admin's job it would be that he would protect his/her systems on a normal basis, yet Gary the so called geek is suddenly popping up claiming he is the god of security... sucking up on the 9/11 disaster. What is so NEW in this story? Nothing! Sounds like a self endorsement for getting more work to me. Poof! Bla bla bla...
Dana
Short answer... hey Hillary, fu*k YOU!
Poof!
Hummm, what would be fair? Considering all of the companies that MS either bought, forced out or just killed via idea theft(tm) I'd say we should just line up the principle leaders of MS and have a good ole' stoning. Sell the tickets for $1k a toss, and donate it all to you're favorite distrubution of Linux or BSD. Although we'd have to sell "small" rocks, to make things last for awhile. OR, MS could pay for each security flaw. (that would pay better!)
Right now I get hit about 40-70 times per hour with this. Thank god for Linux and iptables. :-) Funny thing is, most of the hits are from my cable providers network. Anyone want a retail box of NT 4.0 workstation? hehe...
Ok, I just glanced over at my cd rack and have the following os's: FreeBSD 3.1, OpenBSD 2.6, SuSE 5.3, 6.1 and 6.4. OS/2 2.1 beta(s) and the developers kit... and Windows 95 upgrade. All the flavors of Linux/BSD I purchased, either from Best Buy or at a trade show. The 95 upgrade hasn't been touched, and I just keep it around for some odd ball clients with old hardware. Ramble ramble.
;-)
Gotta love that apt-get update, apt-get upgrade!
Did I spend more money on Linux than Microsoft? Yep, sure did... and I'm proud of it! And it wasn't forced down my throat!
I guess the point I'm making is that I support Linux by purchasing the boxed sets. I don't have a problem with it, and I'd rather give them money than Microsoft. My current os is Debian, and the only one I've ever actually did a install over the internet with. (very cool!) I'll just send them some donations for brews or something.
Opps, missed the 2 Caldara cd's... they were free, and I never installed them after watching my buddy install it, and trying to patch the damn thing for security fixes. I still have ESIX and Solaris sitting around here somewhere also. (tossed Xenix years back)
Personally, I *wish* a good lawyer would help for free on this issue. Adobe needs to get slapped for this, since "Illistrator" is a common word. I was considering to upgrade Photoshop, but not anymore. Is there *any* viable options to Adobe's product(s)? (on both the Mac and PC)
"an attacker can sit a hundred feet or more from your computer and 'sniff' the data from your keyboard and mouse. Scary."
So you wander outside and beat anyone within one hundred feet. Complications? None.;-) Poof!