Few things in gaming frustrate me as much as the shear, unabashed, hatred that people seem to have for this game. There are some really bad games out there, Fable is not one of them. In fact, it's a rather good, and original (something you don't see too much of these days) title. Fable was over hyped, over promised, and under delivered, but it wasn't bad. And gamers have as much themselves to blame for their inflated expectations for that game as they do Molyneux.
These debates with Thompson are counterproductive. I have the highest respect for Lanning and the games he makes, but the fact remains that he is a game developer. Putting him in a debate against a veteran trial lawyer, even one as crazy as Thompson, is like scheduling a scrimmage between the chess club and the varsity football team.
I bought a $350 8800 GTS six months ago. Why? Because I wanted to play PC games. The PC gives you a significantly different experience than the Wii does. And if you ask me, the video card was the better value. Am I upset that Nvidia has released a new card? Of course not. Only a fool would expect a piece of technology to stay on the cutting edge for very long these days (I'm looking at you, iPhone early adopters).
TF2 is a great game, but come on... you can't seriously use it as a benchmark for graphical performance. I doubt you're even running Episode 2 on full settings with that card and still getting decent frame rates. And if you can't find any games that make your graphics card chug, World in Conflict, UT3, COD4, and Crysis all have demos out now. Try running any of those games and then come back and tell us that a 6800GS is all you need with a straight face.
"Or that there is nobody actually representing them."
It's a "chicken and the egg" issue. Do politicians not represent young people because young people don't vote, or do young people not vote because politicians don't represent them? There's no way to know for sure which it is. However, that also means that if more young people voted politicians would represent them better and if politicians would represent them better more young people would vote.
The thing is, why leave it up to the politicians to take the first step? Yeah, the system sucks. But it's not going to change unless people do something about it. If you don't like voting for someone from one of the primary parties then vote for an independent, there's like 5 of them on the presidential ballot every election.
Have you talked to a 12 year old recently? I barely trust them enough to mow my lawn. The thing is, the reason that the old people pass all the laws is because they are the ones who turn up to vote. If more young people would show up at the polls they would be better represented in our government. The very fact that they don't show up seems to me as evidence that they are in fact less capable of making those decisions.
How do you even remotely make the connection between one single old professor complaining about his students and a general trend across the entire population?
I can think of about 100% of the US population who prove his statement incontrovertibly true. Everyone is biased. The difference is between the ones who are aware of their own biases and those who are deluded into thinking that they aren't.
It's discussing the "possibility" based on completely unevidenced speculation. It's not completely without evidence, and even if it is so what? Why are so many people in the/. community so fixated on the Wii's success? They can't even entertain the idea that something bad could happen to it. You can't even have an intelligent discussion about it. The whole reason I come to/. is for the comments, the good ones that is. But on the subject of the Wii they don't even exist. The minute you so much as breach the topic the fanboys come out of the woodwork to squelch any negative commentary about the Wii and to hype up any positive commentary.
I have nothing against the Wii. I own one myself, and I love it. However, it's almost not even worth talking about it anywhere on the Internet because the conversations are so completely one sided.
wii, !valid, msfanboy, flamebait, !reality (tagging beta) Glad to see that/.ers are open to new ideas. Seriously people, the article isn't even saying that the Wii is going to fail, just discussing the possibility of it. Could this place be any more fanboyish?
I'm sorry but anyone who thinks that US anti-gambling laws are anything more than a political appeal to the religious conservatives in this country who view gambling as a sin is living with their head in the sand.
"If Maxis were still around, I doubt we'd be seeing this."
Uh Maxis is still around. They're making that hugely hyped and anticipated game know as Spore, remember.
"Then there's the Westwood."
Funny how you don't mention C&C3, which Gamespot called "Command & Conquer at its best" and that IGN said "This time around it's more polished and presented in its most beautiful package to date."
It's easy to bash a game company when you only focus on the bad games it makes. Look I can do it too:
Remember Bungie? They made that mediocre Oni game and had that massive bug in Myth 2.
Or what about that Blizzard developer? God Blackthorn was the biggest Prince of Persia rip-off ever.
And Capcom? Jesus how long are they going to milk MegaMan before they just give up and die already.
See how easy that is?
Also, you have to consider the fact that more well known topics would have been covered first. As the site matures the scope of topics not covered becomes more and more obscure and the pool of people knowledgeable enough to edit them gets smaller and smaller.
I imagine that they don't expect any carrier to accept their software just outright, which would explain why they're putting up $4.6 billion to bid on wireless spectrum. If Google has a service on the market that uses their OS, and if their OS has clearly superior features to other OS's, then other carriers would be forced to accept Google's terms in order to compete.
As someone who actually listened to the podcast, I can say that I distinctly did not get the impression that Levine was defending Lair's control scheme as a good control scheme. He was just making the point that Factor 5 might have been pressured into using the tilt controls. He, in no way, defended how poorly of a job they did implementing the tilt controls. The headline and the quote in the summary are completely out of context.
Wow, I didn't realize that I was entering some sort of official debate here. My point is simply "shit breaks". Or are you going to argue with that too?
And the Titanic was built to not sink, and Chernobyl was built not to melt down, and Challenger was built not to explode, and the Tacoma Narrows bridge was built not to collapse, etc, etc, etc...
First of all the developers don't have a decision between doing 480p 4xAA and 720p. Microsoft mandates that all Xbox 360 titles play at at least 720p. And I'm not sure what news sources you're looking at where developers are constantly bashing the system. From what I read, developers usually prefer the Xbox 360, at least over the PS3, which is the only other high def console on the market.
The shipped vs sold argument is practically meaningless past the first couple of million consoles. How many consoles are stuck in the retail channel at any one point in time? 200,000? 300,000? Hell, lets be generous and give it a cool half million. With 11.6 million units shipped, that's a measly 4% margin of error, and 500,000 units in the retail channel is a ridiculously high estimate. I call that picking nits.
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Few things in gaming frustrate me as much as the shear, unabashed, hatred that people seem to have for this game. There are some really bad games out there, Fable is not one of them. In fact, it's a rather good, and original (something you don't see too much of these days) title. Fable was over hyped, over promised, and under delivered, but it wasn't bad. And gamers have as much themselves to blame for their inflated expectations for that game as they do Molyneux.
These debates with Thompson are counterproductive. I have the highest respect for Lanning and the games he makes, but the fact remains that he is a game developer. Putting him in a debate against a veteran trial lawyer, even one as crazy as Thompson, is like scheduling a scrimmage between the chess club and the varsity football team.
I bought a $350 8800 GTS six months ago. Why? Because I wanted to play PC games. The PC gives you a significantly different experience than the Wii does. And if you ask me, the video card was the better value. Am I upset that Nvidia has released a new card? Of course not. Only a fool would expect a piece of technology to stay on the cutting edge for very long these days (I'm looking at you, iPhone early adopters).
TF2 is a great game, but come on... you can't seriously use it as a benchmark for graphical performance. I doubt you're even running Episode 2 on full settings with that card and still getting decent frame rates. And if you can't find any games that make your graphics card chug, World in Conflict, UT3, COD4, and Crysis all have demos out now. Try running any of those games and then come back and tell us that a 6800GS is all you need with a straight face.
"Or that there is nobody actually representing them."
It's a "chicken and the egg" issue. Do politicians not represent young people because young people don't vote, or do young people not vote because politicians don't represent them? There's no way to know for sure which it is. However, that also means that if more young people voted politicians would represent them better and if politicians would represent them better more young people would vote.
The thing is, why leave it up to the politicians to take the first step? Yeah, the system sucks. But it's not going to change unless people do something about it. If you don't like voting for someone from one of the primary parties then vote for an independent, there's like 5 of them on the presidential ballot every election.
Have you talked to a 12 year old recently? I barely trust them enough to mow my lawn. The thing is, the reason that the old people pass all the laws is because they are the ones who turn up to vote. If more young people would show up at the polls they would be better represented in our government. The very fact that they don't show up seems to me as evidence that they are in fact less capable of making those decisions.
That's completely beside the point. You can't make gross generalizations about a larger population based on a single point of data.
How do you even remotely make the connection between one single old professor complaining about his students and a general trend across the entire population?
No, but I could be biased about that too. ;-)
I can think of about 100% of the US population who prove his statement incontrovertibly true. Everyone is biased. The difference is between the ones who are aware of their own biases and those who are deluded into thinking that they aren't.
I have nothing against the Wii. I own one myself, and I love it. However, it's almost not even worth talking about it anywhere on the Internet because the conversations are so completely one sided.
I'm sorry but anyone who thinks that US anti-gambling laws are anything more than a political appeal to the religious conservatives in this country who view gambling as a sin is living with their head in the sand.
"If Maxis were still around, I doubt we'd be seeing this." Uh Maxis is still around. They're making that hugely hyped and anticipated game know as Spore, remember. "Then there's the Westwood." Funny how you don't mention C&C3, which Gamespot called "Command & Conquer at its best" and that IGN said "This time around it's more polished and presented in its most beautiful package to date." It's easy to bash a game company when you only focus on the bad games it makes. Look I can do it too: Remember Bungie? They made that mediocre Oni game and had that massive bug in Myth 2. Or what about that Blizzard developer? God Blackthorn was the biggest Prince of Persia rip-off ever. And Capcom? Jesus how long are they going to milk MegaMan before they just give up and die already. See how easy that is?
Also, you have to consider the fact that more well known topics would have been covered first. As the site matures the scope of topics not covered becomes more and more obscure and the pool of people knowledgeable enough to edit them gets smaller and smaller.
I imagine that they don't expect any carrier to accept their software just outright, which would explain why they're putting up $4.6 billion to bid on wireless spectrum. If Google has a service on the market that uses their OS, and if their OS has clearly superior features to other OS's, then other carriers would be forced to accept Google's terms in order to compete.
They mention that in the podcast. Levine admits that he has not played it yet.
As someone who actually listened to the podcast, I can say that I distinctly did not get the impression that Levine was defending Lair's control scheme as a good control scheme. He was just making the point that Factor 5 might have been pressured into using the tilt controls. He, in no way, defended how poorly of a job they did implementing the tilt controls. The headline and the quote in the summary are completely out of context.
So humans can make errors when designing large cruise ships, space shuttles, and nuclear reactors but not satellites?
Wow, I didn't realize that I was entering some sort of official debate here. My point is simply "shit breaks". Or are you going to argue with that too?
And the Titanic was built to not sink, and Chernobyl was built not to melt down, and Challenger was built not to explode, and the Tacoma Narrows bridge was built not to collapse, etc, etc, etc...
Sounds like this would be a pretty short article: "Exactly the same way the iPhone does, but without the phone."
File this one under 'no shit'. Is anyone even remotely surprised by this?
First of all the developers don't have a decision between doing 480p 4xAA and 720p. Microsoft mandates that all Xbox 360 titles play at at least 720p. And I'm not sure what news sources you're looking at where developers are constantly bashing the system. From what I read, developers usually prefer the Xbox 360, at least over the PS3, which is the only other high def console on the market.
The shipped vs sold argument is practically meaningless past the first couple of million consoles. How many consoles are stuck in the retail channel at any one point in time? 200,000? 300,000? Hell, lets be generous and give it a cool half million. With 11.6 million units shipped, that's a measly 4% margin of error, and 500,000 units in the retail channel is a ridiculously high estimate. I call that picking nits.