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Cheap New GeForce 8800 GT Challenges $400 Cards
J. Dzhugashvili writes "What would you say to a video card that performs like a $400 GeForce 8800 GTS for $200-250? Say hello to the GeForce 8800 GT. The Tech Report has tested the new mid-range wonder in Crysis, Unreal Tournament 3, Team Fortress 2, and BioShock. It found that the card keeps up with its $400 big brother overall while drawing significantly less power and — here's the kicker — generating slightly less noise."
$200-250 is a crazy amount to pay for a video card. $400 is insanely expensive. How much disposable income to you have, anyways?
You want to impress me? Show me a $50-100 video card that can perform as well as a $200. $50 falls into something I call 'cheap'.
I would say the kicker is that it draws significantly less power, rather than producing little noise.
Obviously, the fan is making the noise, not the chip.
I bet you could probably find a 8800GTX with some high-end silent cooling rig.
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I can understand if this card were released by a competitor, but why would Nvidia release a card that competes with their top of the line at such a low price? Who wouldn't want the cheaper card?
The only thing I can think of is that the production costs were higher for the GTS, resulting in less profit per card...
Can anyone clue me in?
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Even at 'only' $250, it's that or a Wii. And the Wii is a stable platform, whereas your cutting edge premium card is going to look overpriced and behind the curve tomorrow - ask all the people who just ordered $400 8800 GTS cards how that feels.
Come on, own up: who's buying these console-priced cards, and why?
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I hope they make a mac version of this. I want to replace the 7300 in my mac pro but the ATI isn't enough of a performance upgrade.
Show me a video card that is sub 3-digit in price. No way am I going to spend $200 on a video card.
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OK. After playing Crysis single player demo, I only got 9-10 FPS average (0 FPS minimum!) with high settings (I refuse to go lower, did turn off motion blur which drove me nuts) according to the two batch benchmark files. I just upgraded my system last December 2006 too! That video card was expensive (almost 300 bucks) enough! :(
:)), no FSAA if FPS is needed, and 16X anisotropic (no anisostropic didn't even help for Crysis).
:)
My current computer specifications can be found here:
http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/about/computers.txt (I do not like to and want to OC; doesn't help when I have physical disabilities since I can't open my case to reset CMOS, fiddle with the hardwares, etc.). I use the latest NVIDIA drivers (including betas), 1280x1024 native resolution on my 19" LCD monitor (helps to use lower native resolutions since I don't need larger one
Is it worth getting a newer video card (e.g., 8800) to help the newer games' FPS like Crysis, World in Conflict, C&C3 (not too choppy like the first two), etc.? I do not want to upgrade my motherboard, CPU, RAM, etc. at this time. I am not sure where's the bottleneck is. Video card? My CPU? Something else?
Thank you in advance.
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I'd switch back to Nvidia in a heartbeat!
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The big news is that a $250 card is just as fast as a $400 card.
Lots of video/graphics/animation pros need high end video cards too. Video cards are not just for playing games.
But does the $250 card make people online you will never meet in real life think that your penis is gigantic like the $400 card does?
I buy a high-end video card when I upgrade my PC every 2 years or so.
Why? Because I enjoy PC gaming, and I want to have a great experience with it. I have friends with various consoles, and my brother has a Wii that I can theoretically borrow at any time, but I just plain prefer games on the PC.
I think of it as a bit of a luxury hobby. Some people spend thousands of dollars on hockey tickets or high-end car parts. What's wrong with spending a few hundred bucks on computer equipment?
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I run TF2 in 1680x1050 with a GeForce 6800GS Overclocked-out-of-the-box. Never skips, never gets busy, no artifacts. My processor is a single core Athlon (somewhere in the 3.2 GHz range). 2 GB of memory. It's not a "new" box by any means, but I haven't found a game that doesn't run on full (except FEAR with some of the most advanced features) graphics.
This is not really all that shocking. "Most expensive" does not necessarily mean "top of the line". There have been tons of benchmarks showing how "slower" and cheaper CPUs synchronize with the bus more efficiantly than some of the overpriced high-clockers do and perform way better. These two cards don't even sound like they're all that different. From the sounds of it, the GTS is the same card as the GT with some fancy fans on it which are less efficient, make more noise, and don't improve performance at all... kinda like when people put a big tailpipe and a spoiler on a Civic.
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Seriously, what is it with the technology haters on Slashdot? This is a tech site and yes, there are people out there whole like having cutting edge tech for various reasons. Maybe they are just gamers with lots of money. Maybe they like having graphics that totally stomps on anything a Wii can do. Maybe they have a high end PC anyhow for other work, and as such a good card is worth it. Maybe the games they want to play are only for computer (like say World of Warcraft). Maybe they don't game, maybe they use them for 3D visualization like, say research with insects (just helped a professor at work buy one for that reason). Maybe they use them for GPGPU related things.
Quit hating just because you can't afford the newest toys. If someone can and if that's what they want, then great. You should be happy because guess what? That's where the Wii graphics come from. Lower end graphics come from higher end graphics. It costs a lot of money to develop new technology like this, and the high end is where the development cost gets reimbursed. You get the cheap, good graphics in the Wii precisely because ATi has done so much high end development and it has filtered down.
Give me a card that performs like a $200 for zero dollars.
Seriously though, if a $200 card really was like a $400 card in every way that mattered, don't expect the $400 card to stay $400 for long. Either it will come down in price or it will be discontinued.
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The people who buy lower end should be real thankful there is a high end. That's where the lower end comes from. nVidia can afford to sell the 8600 for $100 precisely because they paid the R&D costs with the expensive 8800s. The lower end is as cheap and as good as it is precisely because there's a high end.
How hard would it be to install this on a Pro? I hear that EFI makes this impossible. But if that's the case, why buy a desktop machine that's upgradable if you can't upgrade it?
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$200-250? Where can I buy this card for that price?
The cheapest I could find was for $260:
http://www.ncixus.com/products/26778/512-P3-N802-A1/eVGA/
I bought a new system a month ago and waited for this card to retail since then (while playing casual games with my onboard GFX). And now that it's finally there, it costs 259 Euro (~370$) at my prefered store (alternate.de) and I don't find it anywhere else, anyway. Does anyone know where to get that card in Germany for 200-250$ or perhaps a good store outside of Germany that will ship it to me?
Here are the main benefits I see with this card:
1. Single slot cooler instead of a dual slot like all the other high end cards made over the last 2 years
2. One 6 pin power connection instead of two like all the other high end G80 cards
3. Power consumption. According to the article (yes I read it), Nvidia rates the power consumption of the 8800GT at 110 watts.
4. Supports PCI Express 2.0 (backwards compatible with PCI Express 1.1)
5. Relatively cheap. I always found $200-300 to be the best price range for a video card (the high end G80 cards on the other hand cost $500-800)
Everyone knows $400 cards are Jordache. :_
Quack, quack.
No-one should feel "kicked in the sac" for adopting cutting-edge technology. Anyone who does so should be savvy enough to know the costs and the market.
Quack, quack.
The fun part is that neither does trolling.
I wasn't laughing at them. I was laughing at calling it a "sport" - I laugh the same way at golfers who call their game a 'sport'(Tiger Woods makes more taking a dump than all video sportsman combined). At least the golfers have to walk - a little.
The dictionary says, among other things, that a "sport" is a: 3. diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime..
Golf and video games both easily fit into that definition.
It's pretty funny that you're insulting golf, though. I'm guessing that you haven't golfed much, or, if you have played at all, you haven't tried to actually compete -- you'll find that playing golf well takes a fair amount of physical coordination and fitness. Similarly, the best video game players need both physical coordination and quick reflexes. That's not the same as the pure muscle strength that many sports require, but they're still far from purely mental activities.
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Well considering that i recently found out that my $600 geforce 8800 GTX card, does not support HDCP over dual link, which means i can not watch HD-DVD or Bluray on my pc... I'm a little pissed off at nvidia. Especially since the cheaper GTS version does support HDCP through dual link.
Which really boils down to one thing.... and its not entirely nvidia's fault. Its this entire HDCP DRM encryption mentality. This is EXACTLY what happens to consumers when these huge corporations impose such unfriendly, incompatible schemes on us. I paid for the best video card at the time, and it was $600, Nvidia said it supported HDCP and was ready for Vista. BOTH... were lies.
You've obviously have never played the sport of golf. Get off your buttocks and take a "strolling" round of this, ahem, non-sport of golf. (A good walk ruined, penned Mark Twain.)
Tiger Woods doesn't hit 300+ yard tee shots because he was simply walking a fairway for 72 holes a day. He also doesn't make the majority of his money off of the game/sport of golf.
Likewise, professional gamers do train for their "sport" and, if they are lucky, they earn most of their money from endorsements.
I typically build out my own systems ever 2 years. I used to be pretty hardcore about it but I'm getting older and busier and lazier. I realize this leaves me behind the curve since I used to play competitively and talk wasn't the only thing the shiniest card you could afford would get you.
More recently when I do get around to building a new system I tend to go higher spec in the memory/cpu/drive areas (at least one high performance drive) and then branch out with the graphics card being a lower-midrange job after I've been able to do lots of research to be sure I'm getting the best bang for my buck. This is the kind of card that makes me think it's time to do some upgrades and once I do I can ignore things again for a while. I might not need all the horsepower right away, but at least I'll have decent performance for the next 2 or so years and by then...there will be another. It's economical and still keeps you slightly above the curve.
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J. Dzhugashvili ... is it just coincidence that every submission from you is steering traffic to "The Tech Report"?
Not that there is anything wrong with that as long as the articles have something useful to say.....
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"What would you say to a video card that performs like a $400 GeForce 8800 GTS for $200-250? Say hello to the GeForce 8800 GT.
I'd say, according to Newegg, a "$400" 8800GTS can be had for as cheap as $319 (after rebate), and the "$200" 8800GT is selling for $269 or more.
Crysis is a piece of crap, more or less. Ok well not a piece of crap but it requires hardware that doesn't exist. Just write it off, play it next year or the year after that.
For the rez you are running at, the 7950 is probably fine for now. Wait at least until after Christmas and see how the market looks. It may well be that an 8800GT is what you want, you'll just pay less dollars for it. However it doesn't look like your rig will struggle on anything short of Crysis and since that struggles even on the 8800s, best to just write the game off for now.
As for graphics card upgrades here's some general advice: Figure out what you are willing and able to spend roughly every 12 months and buy at that level. You will generally be happier with that than a more expensive card less often. So whatever you can afford on a yearly basis, do that. Doesn't mean buy every year, sometimes you wait a little longer, maybe up to 18 months, but in general you will get the best overall performance if you upgrade once a year.
So if $300/year is a little too rich for your blood then look at scaling back some, and don't buy a new card until there's one at a lesser price point that is a good improvement over what you've got now. Again, the 8800GT may well be it, sounds like it's less than $300 now and will be even less in a couple months.
Also so long as you stick with a 19" LCD you will find you can be a bit lower end on the card scale. 24" monitors are getting popular with high end gamers and that means that companies need to think about that in terms of performance. While some like Crysis will just perform like crap on any hardware, most games consider that 1920x1200 needs to be smooth on top of the line gear. UT3, for example, runs great at 1920x1200 on an 8800. As such, you can get away with a lesser card, and not sacrifice much if any detail as you've got a good deal less pixels to push.
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I expect a big new card from NVIDIA right after AMD announces their new card (in a couple of weeks time).
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All the quick reviews i've seen so far suggest that this new GT card does not make less but more noise than the GTS cards. This is not so surprising since the GT cards all have a single slot cooler, with a very small fan at the side, while the GTS vent their (surely higher) waste heat with a highly praised double slot cooler that is supposed to be as silent as any aftermarket cooler you could buy.
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Perhaps this quote attributed to Ernest Hemingway can help clear this up: "There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games."
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The cheapest you can buy this for is $260 not including shipping at Newegg. I don't know where he got that 200-249 range from, but the range I'm seeing is $260-$290.
So much for the return of the midrange. Midrange being the $150 card. Today's $150 card ie the 8600gts is a joke for DX10 and the newest games. No wonder the PC gaming industry is in the shitter and losing out to consoles. You need to spend almost $300 on a video card just to stay current.
When fast new systems with Dual Core cpus, 1GB of memory, and 19" LCDs, cost $500-$600 who in their right mind thinks spending $250 on a gpu isn't a ripoff?
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I got the 8800GTS 640 in January for $379 shipped. This article claims it is still $400?
I think not:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=8800GTS&x=0&y=0
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I remember paying more for 2d cards.
Yet what we are offered today is so much better and it does 3d as well!
I upgrade every other cycle, this means my buying period is up. Yes I jumped. I will pass down my previous generation card to some who do not spend much on their computers.
Compared to other expenses in life these things are cheap. People will pay more for their internet across the year and not bat an eye, some do it for cell, and others do it for TV!
Imagine, paying $400 a year to use a phone!!! Really, one of my grand parents reasons for not buying a cell phone!
It all works out to what you need money for. For me, $250 or so is a non-issue during a monthly period.
I refuse to see todays cards as overpriced or expensive. As before, I remember the days of 200+ 2d cards and 299 VOODOO cards!
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Most are probably younger Linux types that either lack a job, or lack a good one and as such lack money. I've found that a large number of Linux users claim to use Linux because of freedom as in speech but are really using it because it's free as in "can I crash on your couch?" Because of this they are often running on rather old, poor quality hardware. This can lead to jealousy of people who have newer hardware.
Well, one defense against jealousy is to tell yourself, and others, that you don't need that new shit. You are much happier with what you have. In fact, people who bought that are stupid! You are so much smarter/better for not doing it. Hence you get the haters.
I don't at all think there's anything wrong with people who don't need newest technology not buying it. If having the latest computer isn't your thing, by all means, spend the money on something else. However I get real tired of those that just hate on people who do have the toys. Doesn't matter why they want it. That they do and that it makes them happy is all the justification that is needed.
Heeh heeh heeh, made me laugh.
All you damned wet behind the ears, sucking momma's tit, newbs who starting playing PC games only on the last five f'ing years don't remember how cheap the best cards used to be.
IIRC, the price of top end cards SKYROCKETED after 3dfx's demise. The best GeForce 3 (with no competitors left) was in the ~300 price range which was a new high at the time. I don't remember what the Voodoo 5's went for, but it was probably close before 3dfx sunk. NVidia started making pricier models until they got to the ridiculously priced ones available now.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to look at the rate of depreciation of a $600+ video card and figure out just how inflated the price is. You know, when you can buy a card that performs as well as the best one available six months ago but pay 1/3 as much money, some alarms ought to be going off. Luckily for NVidia, most of the gaming PC upgrade market is flooded with fiscally retarded teenagers and college students.
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I run that 5 days a week. And swinging a club, oh please! Don't even go there. I guess, if you're some fat couch potato it's hard.
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The dictionary says, among other things, that a "sport" is a: 3. diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime..
Golf and video games both easily fit into that definition.
So does bridge, Candyland, Tiddlywinks, bowling.
For that matter, so does having sex, painting, keeping a diary, and stamp collecting.
So you're comfortable saying all of those are sports? Just trying to keep things honest here.
Personally I feel a "sport" needs to be a team activity, requires training (sport specific) AND working out (non-sport specific), requires physical exertion during the sport and offer up some sort of offensive/defensive roles. By this definition, that would remove the following : Bowling, Golf, Poker, Horse-Riding, NASCAR (or similar driving competition), and yes video games. Basically if you can be fat and play; not a sport. And if you can drink alcohol while playing; not a sport.
The funny thing is, that paragraph will upset a few people. And I have no idea why. I love playing poker and golf. I bowl occasionally and my wife is a professional horse-back rider. I don't think saying that lessens those competitions and competitors at all. They all require an extreme amount of skill and training. And a lot of them require a lot of stamina (if not specifically strength). But for some reason people are offended by the semantics of it all.
Just out of curiosity, what has come out for the PC that would require this card? Most of the major games I've seen coming out lately have been console based. Mind you, I don't game that much anymore... my most recent gaming purchase was C&C3 which will be 1y old soon.
Usually when I consider laying down a few hundred bucks for a video card, it's because it has a feature my current card lacks (TV-In was the last one) or I need it to play a game I like at a reasonable FPS/resolution. So being that my current card does what I need for now, what is there in the PC market that's new, good, and would use a high-end card. No, I'm not trolling. While I might not but the 8800GT, my co-worker is selling his video-card for cheap, but I can't really justify it if I'm got nothing to play on it.
It was rumored pre-release that he G92 may have double precision floating point support. Is there any confirmation or firm denial of this?
(the reviews I have seen have been far less technical on new chip features than in previous graphics card launches).
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So you're comfortable saying all of those are sports? Just trying to keep things honest here.
Sure, that's fine with me.
The funny thing is, that paragraph will upset a few people. And I have no idea why.
The reason it offends people is because you're using a word to mean something other than what it actually means. Your opinion isn't particularly uncommon, either, and most of the time, people who have your opinion are also implying that the things they don't consider sports are somehow "inferior."
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... can you get a comment about chess on a thread about graphics cards.
You've never seen fat, drunk guys playing football? =)
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That, I don't get, either. The most expensive meal I ever had was $55 per person (a "5 star" restaurant, just to try it once). The most expensive wine I ever drank was maybe $50 per bottle. (Coincidentally, both were in New York.)
You can get a great meal for $20 per person, if you know where to go. I'll never spend over $100 for dinner for 2 again, and maybe not even half that. There are some really good inexpensive wines around, too. $250 for a dinner is insane; I don't spend that much on food in a month.
Old joke: How do you piss off a wine snob? Actually enjoy wine.
The paragraph isn't what will upset people. It's your self-righteous judgment of others that will upset people. Funny how no one likes an asshole like you categorizing their life.
It can't be transportation costs, these things come from china/taiwan/korea anyway. The law of supply and demand results in companies asking for their products what they can get for it. Apparently, European people are willing to put up paying 40% (!) more for their tech products than people in the US.
As an unrelated point: This money is easily earned back by drinking fine wines. From what I've heard the supermarket prices for (crappy) wine in the US are like the restaurant prices for a (decently-tasting) bottle of wine in Europe.
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If you think golf requires great physical exertion, you are obviously a fat bastard.
The 8600s are real stinkers with respect to performance, but they're the fastest passively cooled game in town on the NVIDIA side of the fence.
In case you missed the announcement: Sparkle is releasing a passively-cooled GeForce 8800 GT. It's a single-slot card. Silent, but deadly.TO START
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Sometimes, for our visualisation lab, we want cards that have decent grunt and can hold a decent (but not extreme) amount of textures in memory. This price is attractive for us to fit out our 'normal' PCs and most students not being hindered.
We would prefer not to shell out for each PC to have 5600 cards. We can then save a bit of cash to purchase a couple high end PCs and have arrays of 5600s for the bigger, interesting jobs.
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note: I own none of these cards and have no affiliation with the industry or companies involved.
The 8800 GTS is (was, before the GT) by far the best price/performance among all the G8x offerings. Observe:
(deeper feature analysis reveals the same trend as this high-level Gflop/s analysis):
___________Gflop/s|~best$|$/Gflops
8500 GT_____43.2__|_$70__|0.62
8600 GT____114.2__|$110__|1.04
8600 GTX___139.2__|$160__|0.87
8800 GTS___345.6__|$270__|1.28
8800 GTX___518.4__|$550__|0.96
8800 Ultra___576.0__|$670__|0.86 (note the generous price I quote)
The 8800 GT is faster than the 8800GTX across the board (despite a ~10% memory bandwidth deficit), and cheaper even at the worst forecast price of $250US. This is clearly the best price/performance to be had anywhere in the market, at any price point. Yeah, it falls a little higher than the typical $120-180 optimal range, but it's closer to it than the 8800 GTS is/was.
All your arguments are correct IF you're talking about the GTX and not the GTS. This stands to reason, and certainly in light your reasoning: the high-end products are those that get introduced first, and offer the lowest marginal return on marginal increment since their price/performance is the worst on the market.
Perhaps you meant the 8800 Ultra?
I wish the 8600GTS was a better card. Granted the 8800GT is nice, but I still don't feel like paying over $200 for a videocard. However I might not have a choice since the G98 is just a 65nm 8400GS which is a lowend card, and the real G92 is supposed to be a 8800 GX2 as far as rumors go. Kinda wish nvidia would stop their time with lowend cards and focus on that with integrated setups, and make only midgrade and highend discrete cards.
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How exactly is the parent a troll? He's just stating his opinion. I love video games as much as the next person, but no, I don't consider them a sport either, does that make me a troll too?
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Dunno, but if 4 out of 5 "non-sports" you mention appear regularly on just about any sports channel available you might want to reconsider your definition of "sports" because there seem to be quite a few people who disagree with you.
;)
But even so, games seem to fit your definition perfectly: a lot of them are team games (CS:S, UT2k4, etc), require training (lots) and physical exertion (try [pro] gaming for hours and you _will_ be tired). So I left working out... ehm yeah, I'm not sure you need to work out to play sports. That athletes and sportsmen at professional level work out because they want to eek out the very last bit of advantage they can get okay, but I doubt if it's really necessary if you just train enough. But even so, does a Gamer who goes to his neighbourhood gym twice a week count as well?
the lame game you americans call football where they run around padded up like fucking pussies? it's not a sport
if 4 out of 5 "non-sports" you mention appear regularly on just about any sports channel available you might want to reconsider your definition of "sports"
I mean if we want to let TV define what words mean to us I guess we can do that.
Maybe I should have specified too that the working out must be to improve the game players talent in that game. Someone who is a proof-reader but works out every night, does not make proof-reading a sport all of a sudden. Video gamers can be ripped for sure, but beyond some hand/back stamina their strength won't really improve their game.
And gaming being a real sport, misses because mainly you can be 500 pounds and be a champion. Which is no small feat I'm sure, and congrats and regards to the champions in that sport, seriously. But that doesn't make it an actual sport. Game. Competition, there are plenty of other categories that define it just as well.
Like I predicted I was modded a troll because people take a specific word seriously. I don't know why, because some of these players are tremendous athletes and I don't intend on taking that away from them just because I don't think what they do should be considered sport.
Better framerates at top end, but 10 vs 19 for bottom end? (that's when lag happens and you die).
I'll take the GTS 640. If you add player bots in there the 8800 gt is going to tank.
Sorry but this reviewer wasn't being very impartial or looking at the whole picture.
If you are a serious pvp gamer, you need the memory. If you like to play the PvE campaigns and shelf the game, get the GT.
Hint: playing WoW 14 hours a day != professional video gamer. And gaming being a real sport, misses because mainly you can be 500 pounds and be a champion. Which is no small feat I'm sure, and congrats and regards to the champions in that sport, seriously. But that doesn't make it an actual sport. Game. Competition, there are plenty of other categories that define it just as well. Only by your definition of sport. I prefer my own, which I won't hesitate to admit having ripped off from Webster. But thanks for playing. Like I predicted I was modded a troll because people take a specific word seriously. I don't know why, because some of these players are tremendous athletes and I don't intend on taking that away from them just because I don't think what they do should be considered sport. Wrong. Like someone else pointed out, you were modded troll for being an arrogant dick. Your opinion does have value. Just not more than the opinion of anyone else, and less than most people posting here since you're pretty much entirely ignorant of the issue at hand.
There is no -1 Disagree mod. Slashdot.org/faq defines mod options. USE IT.
HEY, douchenozzle. Read my first post... "Personally I feel..." PERSONALLY I feel golf is not a sport. I could give a flying f what you think about golf or sports. I'm not a dictionary. I don't define words. I was interjecting into a thread that got off topic in terms of defining what a sport is. I never insulted anyone, you're the pedarast that attacked me, and started name calling me. I never acted arrogant other than to post my opinion, read it, ignore it, do whatever just don't judge me for stating my opinion AND TELLING EVERYONE IT WAS MY OPINION.
F you, f your family.
I hope you fall in a bucket of AIDS.
Let's review shall we? Personally I feel a "sport" needs to be a team activity, requires training (sport specific) AND working out (non-sport specific), requires physical exertion during the sport and offer up some sort of offensive/defensive roles. By this definition, that would remove the following : Bowling, Golf, Poker, Horse-Riding, NASCAR (or similar driving competition), and yes video games. Basically if you can be fat and play; not a sport. And if you can drink alcohol while playing; not a sport. And you think people are taking issue with your use of the word "sport"? No. People are taking issue with your attitude.
And by the way, there's not a sport in the world that can't be done both while fat and drinking alcohol (at the same time too). You just won't be able to compete on a professional level. The same holds true for professional video gaming.
Oh, and my last post was my first response to your drivel. The closest I came to "insulting" you was implying that you're a kook, and pointing out that someone else observed you were an arrogant dick in your prior posts.
Again, when you're posting your opinion on a subject you really know jack shit about, it's not worth as much as the opinion of someone who is knowledgeable on the topic. Might want to keep that in mind.
Anyhow, I'm done with this discussion.
Have a nice day.
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That's #3 in the definition. #4 and #5 define what they mean by your definition:
4. jest; fun; mirth; pleasantry: What he said in sport was taken seriously.
5. mockery; ridicule; derision: They made sport of him.
#3 is an old definition that's more loosely used to describe things besides athletic competitions, as in, "killing for sport" or "hunting for sport" or "shagging women for sport". The actual definition you want is #1:
1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
Now, dictionary.com puts golf right in the list, and I happen to completely disagree with them that golf is a sport (after all, they listed FISHING TOO!). Golf is a GAME.
game: 1. an amusement or pastime: children's games.
By your definition, slapping hoe's and drinking beer is a "sport". Really, good job trying to spin things to support your argument.
I don't see any reason for you to be offended. I think the grantparent means "prestige for the manufacturer". The "My videocard is faster than yours" 16-year-old-mentality of well paid 30-something gamers may be the reason for most 8800 Ultras sold (and you made your point that not all of the high end buyers have the same motivations) but the subject was that R&D is not payed by the high end card's profits.
The prestige the manufacturers gets for having the fastest card helps them move large volumes of low to midrange cards, and that's what pays for R&D (and their yatchs).
16,777,216 comments ought to be enough for any forum!
2: For some reason which completely eludes me ($$$), most home Dells ship with duel cores at the very least.
I predict that now that some games actually show performance differences with more cores (Supreme Commander and Bioshock), more people will buy them, more people having them will encourage people to buy them.
The only reason multi-cores never took off before now is because you can run most games at max settings at 30+ fps with an overclocked $25 processor (AMD Sempron 1.6 GHZ, overclocked to 2.1 GHZ), provided you have a good video card.
SLI will take off, maybe not this round, but once video cards reach the same limits as processors.
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Have you infected your family with AIDS yet? Get back to me when you have. kthxbye.
I just bought an EVGA 8800GTS 320MB PCI-E last week. Despite what the OP says, it only cost me $263.99, not $400... and that was at a store. If I had patience and ordered it online, I'm sure I could have spent even less.
The REASON I got it? (1) I haven't bought a new desktop in almost 8 years and I needed a new machine that I wouldn't have to worry about breaking down for another 8 - 10 years to come. (2) I've never actually had a graphics card in any of the machines I've built before and, from my research (and other places), this one seemed the best bang for my buck. (3) I have no intention of getting a Wii or 360 or whatever; plus the fact that the current games I want to play and apps I want to use can't be used on a gaming console anyways.
You say my "cutting edge premium card is going to look overpriced and behind the curve tomorrow"; I say the same about your gaming console.
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"And by the way, there's not a sport in the world that can't be done both while fat and drinking alcohol (at the same time too). You just won't be able to compete on a professional level."
Hey hey! Don't forget darts! Most top level players there don't exactly fit the description "athletic" heheh
USD 400 is pretty cheap for europeans, resembling, what, 3 or 4 euro lately? :P
I just bought a friggin 8800gts like 3 weeks ago damnit. I could've saved over $100 if I knew about this.
Let the people that play these "sports" decide wether it IS or ISN'T a sport....after all:
1.What makes you (or anyone not playing these "games"-all sports started as games and technically still are) the ideal go to guy for what is and isn't a sport...you just disqualifed FOOTBALL!!!!
2.Do you really fucking care if bridge (going with your "example") is considered a sport?
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