I have a Voodoo3 2000, and it works great for me. I love that the drifvers are open, and that it's one of the few cards that gives me good 3D OpenGL performance under Linux, Windows, QNX, and BeOS (well... maybe not BeOS..)
So, my question is this: I've been looking around for a new video card, it MUST support Linux, it MUST have Open Source drivers of a decent quality. It MUST be 3D accelerated under Linux, and SHOULD be under FreeBSD, it would be nice to have 3D support in QNX too. So, what are my options?
Seriously, I'm not going to buy another card until I can get those criteria. I was looking at both the Matrox G450 and the ATI Radeon, what is the better option given my criteria? Also, what's the chipset relationship between the G400/G450, and the ATI 128/Radeon? Is the Radeon a continuation of the 128, as the xpert98 was a continuationof the Mach64?
Someone, please offer some good solid advice. I really wish 3DFX was still going strong, to be honest, this caught me completely off guard, I'd have kept buying 3DFX as long as they stayed open. If nVidia does, I'm all theirs..
To Recap:
Required:
- Fast, OpenGL accleration under Linux/XFree86 4.0
- Open Source drivers
- Compatibility (at least 2D) with Linux, *BSD, BeOS, QNX
Desired:
- OpenGL acceleration under FreeBSD, QNX, BeOS
Optional:
- At least 2D compatibility with decent video/color in Solaris
Oh yeah, I won't pay >$300 CDN... Both the Matrox G450 and Radeon (I think) are under budget.
Re:Abux.X11R6 fails to run
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According to this link:
http://www.de.debian.org/Bugs/db/41/41543.html
Abuse only works in 8bpp, so I guess you'll have to go to 256 colours, or just give up.
Good luck,
Ben
Seems fine - nioghtly builds are still better..
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I doenloaded the Linux version, it seems fine. I'd like to say that the nightlies are still better.
I had Mozilla 0.6 crash on me a time or two trying to import my Netscape profile and then installing Java. I don't have this problem with the nightlies.
Here's a tip: I got a nightly working perfectly with Flash, Java, SSL, etc., now I just untar the new nightlies over the old one. That keeps my themes and plugins intaact.
I use Mozilla for 80% of my browsing, and Konqueror for the other 20% (Like when I know I'm going to hit a pdf file - konqueror is just amazing with its plugin architecture.)
Mozilla's REALY fast now, I honestly don't notice much dofference between the speed of Mozilla and Galeon/Skipstone anymore. It's also roughly equivalent to the speed of Netscape 4.76 on my dual-466/256MB RAM. This hardware is okay, but I wouldn't call a dual 466 anything to screem home about anymore.
Anyway, the nightlies are awesome, mozilla is great. I never use Netscape anymore. Honest. Is it ever nice to have a standards-comliant Open Source web browser. It really makes Debian complete. And at the rate Konqueror is moving forward pretty soon we'll have 2!!
That's okay, I see adds whenever I boot Linux too:
ReiserFS version 3.6.19
Something about being sponsored by mp3.com and SuSE Linux. That's great. I'm booting my Debian GNU/Linux system and I get an add for SuSE for free!!
I'm not complaining that corporate sponsorship is rampant.... I get the excellent reiserfs for free as a result!
If I rememeber correctly there were many ad-funded e-mail clients for windows a few years back, where did they all go??
Also, isn't Neoplanet (IE+ads+skins) run the same way?
Can anyone describe how to get java working?
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Hi.
I have only two complaints with Konqueror:
1) It doesn't remember passwords very well. It did until around RC2.. oh well, people complained then too..
2) I have yet to get Java working properly....
Can anyone tell me _EXACTLY_ how to get java working?? I've got 3 JDK2's on my system, and it works in Mozilla, but Konq's a no-go...
I've sarched all over, but I've had no clear explanation on how to properly set Java up..
Thanks for any help,
Ben
Re:Hopefully less buggy than 2.0
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The debug messages are a little annoying, but you can just redirect to/dev/null. I agree that the FreeBSD 2.0 build was a little off, I personally found RC1/2 to be a little more stable (well, at least konq.)
KDE2 itself has never crashed on me, Konq. sometimes, and KWord a lot, but overall it's very top notch. Konq and Mozilla, browser bliss.
I'm now running Debian woody and have upgraded to 2.0.1 already (apt-get install task-kde task-kde-devel, how sweet is that?) sadly, Konq's already crashed on me a few times...:(
I keep trying different DE's/WM's, from BlackBox to Gnome/Sawfish, XFCE and WindowMaker, I just can't beat KDE2 for it's coherence and integration. My biggest complaint is that you can't just run the file manager/destop icons liek before.
I miss doing kfm& with any windowmanager. kdestop& is no replacement!! Ahh, but I guess it's not the way it was meant to be run..
Okay, I'm tired of everyone bashing Netscape. They HAD to release something, and when it comes right down to it, Netscape 6.0 is pretty good. But hey, I've got news for you: Mozilla kicks ass!
Seriously, I'm using it all the time now. It's VERY fast, VERY stable, doesn't have much extra crap, is relatively small to download, and has GREAT standards compliance.
Any of the 12 remaining Netscape users out there really ought ot check out the latest daily builds. When Mozilla releases next it'll be browser nirvana for Unix users everywhere.
As for the statistics, about 2 of my friends use IE. Most still use NS 4.x just becuase it's what they're used to. Of coures all of my *nix friends and co-workers use NS (or mozilla) because it's their only choice.
Once again, mozilla is awesome now. The speed improvements are vast, getting a good theme that doesn't do too much is also key. (native.windows is the least distracting/fastest for me. I know it looks like IE, but who cares?)
I've got good encryption, excellent rendering, great speed, java, flash, and great XML features. Not to mention Mozilla runs on (or will be released soon) every OS/architecture I can throw at it.
I've got one of the AD-600's and it works GREAT!! But, it's my second one. The first one I bought had a broken back button. It's a very quirky device, and I wouldn't recommend it to everyone, but it works very well, plays MP3 CDRW's perfectly, and the users manual alone is worth the price of the device.
Seriously, it's a VERY FUNNY READ!!
It's got smiley faces all over the place, has sections:
Enjoying Good Sound Quality
Enjoying Better Sound Quality
and
Enjoying Best Sound Quality
Hands down, the best part is in the Karaoke section where they refer to speaker feeback as:
"a Hauling sound: PI!!!!!!!!"
No, that's not a misquote. Seriously, I often take the book out at (geeky) parties. It's great.
Hmm, other miscelaneous notes:
1) My "Get Shorty" DVD insists on putting in subtitles
2) I have to clean my "Matrix" DVD before watching it most times
3) "La Femme Nikita" works perfectly and is worth buying..
4) Cannibal The Movie also worked perfectly and was great.
5) Crappy movies don't improve just by putting them on DVD;)
In short, the device works great, is cool with it's quirks, and I wouldn't trade it for any other player.
I started using nVidia a long time ago, but...
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My first nVidia card was a 4MB PCI Riva 128. As far as I know, their first chipset. It was half price for $125 and worth every penny. I was there when they were developing beta OpenGL drivers, I remember trying to get the nVidia working with SuSE Linux 5.3, all through it I was a solid believer in nVidia's superior technology..
Now I'm running a 3DFX Voodoo3 2000. It's fine. It's fast enough, I have full HW accelerated OpenGL under Linux, FreeBSD, BeOS (well, 4.5.2 in theory) and QNX. My next card HAS to be able to do all of that. Like 3DFX, I want full open source drivers or I will NOT buy the card.
Does Matrox's new card fit my criteria? Does the ATI? I know nVidia doesn't. So my next card won't be an nVidia. Plain and simple.
So, can any of you tell me what the status of the otehr card makers is??
I've got a question for people using 2.4.0pre10 or alan's 2.2.18pre22: Why does NFS mounting take WAY longer?
I've tried enabling/disabling NFS3 in the 2.4.0pre kernel, and have NFS3 disabled in 2.2.18pre22, whenever I mount an NFS export it takes about 5 seconds to mount on 2.2.18 and over a minute to mount on the 2.4.0pre10 kernel. Am I the only one seeing this? Is it a bug? Am I doing something wrong?
BTW, the client is running Debian Woody, my NFS server is running FreeBSD 4.1-stable.
Actually, the "other option" you describe is called trade secrecy. It still happens all the time in industry. Not too much in the computer industry, but certainly in other areas.
Here's how Intellectual Property goes:
- Copyright (covers source and binary) lasts for 40ish years, and does NOT cover independant rediscovery. (So, company A copyrights something, company B "independantly" rediscovers it, all is okay. This is like MS making SMB and Samba implementing it from scratch.)
- Patent, as was described, you tell the world how you did it, the world has to license that for $$$
. Patents don't allow for independant rediscovery. So if a company gets a software patent (oh, like say Fraunhauffersp?) w/ MP3's) then even if you write your own you have to pay the original company.
- Trade Secrecy (Hide your work, hope no one figures it out)
There's also a special IP law for processors, giving a 10 year patent. Interestingly, software patents are a new thing. It used to be (up until the mid 80's iff I recall) that SW patents weren't allowed. They're still kinda questionable in Canada.
Patents were originally designed to promote innovation. Because they last 17-20 years, they effectively stiffle it in the software industry. Or at least that's my take.
This made sure that I got task-x-window-system-core which has, among other things, dexter and xf86cfg.
Anyway, not a big deal, but that fixed it up for me.
Oh yeah, one more thing: When I patched 2.2.17 for the newest 2.2.18pre the compile failed on root.c: 643 in the proc area, any hints? I ended out just going with 2.4.0pre10, so now I get better SMP blah blah blah..
Don't laugh, but the President's Choice Financial bank works like a charm, and they have 5% interest!!
I'm not kidding, I make $20 interest in a month on the same cash that earns me a whopping $0.30 in my ScotiaBank account.
NS/128-bit works fine, Konqueror looks like it would, but for a java/javascript issue (the only failing of Konqi is the javascript support..)
Anyway, check it out. It's awesome. I know they don't do commercial accounts yet, but they will be soon.
www.preschoicefinancial.com
Cheers,
Ben
Re:No GNU toolchain keeps me from developing on it
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I'm sure that when I tried out QNX RTP it had GNU development tools (gcc etc.) with it. There's also a largr number of everyone's fav. Linux apps ported..
I tried out RTP when it came out, they had ports for (but not limited to)
- gtk
- x11amp
- gimp
- ssh
- mc
- vi
- (maybe emacs..)
- abiword
- a Mozilla port that I couldn't find
- many, many others.
Overall, the OS was smokin' fast, they're going to be using IBM's JDK (actually developed in Ottawa too by one of the object* companies.) They also had good 3D support for my Voodoo 3, and had demos of Q3 to prove it..
The browser was pretty good, the photon interface was good (but not as nice as the DE's for Linux.) Anyway, I was quite imoressed. Maybe you should give it a spin...
Ben
Re:Anyone know if they're planning a port to OS X?
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FreeBSD (on i386) runs Linux i386 binaries very well, and glib, gdk, gtk+ gnome, gimp etc. run unber all BSD's, but porting gimp to OSX would be a lot more than just that.
For starters, gtk+ needs X-Windows, and Aqua isn't X-Windows by a long shot, so a port of GTK would have to be made (I'd be surprised if this wasn't underway, I know there was/is work on a BeOS port, and QNX photon uses its X layer to get GTK working..)
Anyway, this would certainly be a non-trivial port. Apple's not using X-Windows on purpose (personally, I think X gets a bad rap. I think it's great.) but I wouldn't hold my breath for a GIMP port. Command-line stuff probably compiles cleanly, but something as complex as gimp....
I built and packaged M18 for FreeBSD. I used 4.1.1 to build it, but I ran it on 4.1 without a hitch too. I sent in my tar.gz file to mozilla, but until it shows up there you can get it from:
M18 sure seems fast, I can't believe how much mozilla has progressed in the last few months! I've been using it and promoting it since around M8, and my friends are finally starting to listen to me..
I've noticed, and complained before, that GIF support isn't compiled in by default on FreeBSD. Upon inspecting the Makefile of the QT port, I noticed that they seem to check for a Unisys license before allowing the GIF support to be compiled in.
Does anyone know if this is necessary? Am I allowed to build and distribute a package that has GIF support built in, or could I face the wrath of Unisys?
Also, I know that Mandrake ships QT with GIF support, does this mean that they paid Unisys, or that they are breaking the law?
Finally, if compiling in GIF support is illegal in the US, what about Canada and internationally?
The reason I ask is that I have bult a FreeBSD package of QT 2.2.1 with GIF support, but before I put it up on my website I wanted to make sure that I (as a Canadian citizen) am not going to get into trouble.
There were prebuilt binaries of the ports
(made by doing make package) also. As KDE2 takes a while to compile, the binary packages are a better option for some people.
Would you mind quoting the link that makes reference to this?
MDK 7.1 got to shelves pretty quickly after release, and KDE2 Final will ship in a week, I can't see them not holding off, but I've read users posting this info before.
At my school there's a lab full of Celeron's running Linux JUST for an Operating Systems class. They let the users log in as root and recompile the kernel/tear the machine apart and then re-ghost the image every day or two.
This sounds like a much nicer way of letting users see how Linux works without doing any damage to the network. What a boon for teaching!
A lot of people here are saying that Mozilla is competition for Opera - I guess it is. Personally, I think Konqueror is closer to home. It's VERY fast, uses QT2.2 etc.
For anyone who hasn't tried Konqueror (part of kde2base) in a while, you really ought to. I've been playing with the daily builds for Mandrake 7.2 and it has gotten a LOT better at renedering pages over the last month or so.
Personally, a year from now I can see two main browsers in the Unix world:
Mozilla (ns6, galeon, nautilus etc.) and Konqueror. Really, Konqueror is THAT good. It's amazing to me that the KDE guys have put together such a great product suite in a few years. It's true that they don;t have to worry about non-unix ports, but they really desrve some recognition.
Anyway, one nice thing to see about Opera was that it was 2MB for the static version and only 1.1MB for the dynamically linked version. When was the last time we saw a 1MB browser that had that many features? (Galeon doesn't count - you still need mozilla.)
I went to freshports.org and downloaded the qt-2.2 port. I uncompressed it into the appropriate directory (/usr/ports/x11-toolkits) and edited the Makefile to include -gif as a configure option.
This is now compiling on my machine, and should give me GIF support. I guess I answered my own question. Hope this helps someone.
Hi,
I installed the beta on my BSD 4.1 machine without a hitch, way to go!
I have one complaint, I can't view GIF files!! By looking at QT, it seems likely that the library was built without GIF support. Does anyone else have this problem? Will there be another version of QT with GIF support compiled in? A web browser without gif's is pretty useless.
Thanks for any help,
Ben
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I have a Voodoo3 2000, and it works great for me. I love that the drifvers are open, and that it's one of the few cards that gives me good 3D OpenGL performance under Linux, Windows, QNX, and BeOS (well... maybe not BeOS..)
So, my question is this: I've been looking around for a new video card, it MUST support Linux, it MUST have Open Source drivers of a decent quality. It MUST be 3D accelerated under Linux, and SHOULD be under FreeBSD, it would be nice to have 3D support in QNX too. So, what are my options?
Seriously, I'm not going to buy another card until I can get those criteria. I was looking at both the Matrox G450 and the ATI Radeon, what is the better option given my criteria? Also, what's the chipset relationship between the G400/G450, and the ATI 128/Radeon? Is the Radeon a continuation of the 128, as the xpert98 was a continuationof the Mach64?
Someone, please offer some good solid advice. I really wish 3DFX was still going strong, to be honest, this caught me completely off guard, I'd have kept buying 3DFX as long as they stayed open. If nVidia does, I'm all theirs..
To Recap:
Required:
- Fast, OpenGL accleration under Linux/XFree86 4.0
- Open Source drivers
- Compatibility (at least 2D) with Linux, *BSD, BeOS, QNX
Desired:
- OpenGL acceleration under FreeBSD, QNX, BeOS
Optional:
- At least 2D compatibility with decent video/color in Solaris
Oh yeah, I won't pay >$300 CDN... Both the Matrox G450 and Radeon (I think) are under budget.
According to this link:
http://www.de.debian.org/Bugs/db/41/41543.html
Abuse only works in 8bpp, so I guess you'll have to go to 256 colours, or just give up.
Good luck,
Ben
I doenloaded the Linux version, it seems fine. I'd like to say that the nightlies are still better.
I had Mozilla 0.6 crash on me a time or two trying to import my Netscape profile and then installing Java. I don't have this problem with the nightlies.
Here's a tip: I got a nightly working perfectly with Flash, Java, SSL, etc., now I just untar the new nightlies over the old one. That keeps my themes and plugins intaact.
I use Mozilla for 80% of my browsing, and Konqueror for the other 20% (Like when I know I'm going to hit a pdf file - konqueror is just amazing with its plugin architecture.)
Mozilla's REALY fast now, I honestly don't notice much dofference between the speed of Mozilla and Galeon/Skipstone anymore. It's also roughly equivalent to the speed of Netscape 4.76 on my dual-466/256MB RAM. This hardware is okay, but I wouldn't call a dual 466 anything to screem home about anymore.
Anyway, the nightlies are awesome, mozilla is great. I never use Netscape anymore. Honest. Is it ever nice to have a standards-comliant Open Source web browser. It really makes Debian complete. And at the rate Konqueror is moving forward pretty soon we'll have 2!!
Cheers,
Ben
That's okay, I see adds whenever I boot Linux too:
ReiserFS version 3.6.19
Something about being sponsored by mp3.com and SuSE Linux. That's great. I'm booting my Debian GNU/Linux system and I get an add for SuSE for free!!
I'm not complaining that corporate sponsorship is rampant.... I get the excellent reiserfs for free as a result!
If I rememeber correctly there were many ad-funded e-mail clients for windows a few years back, where did they all go??
Also, isn't Neoplanet (IE+ads+skins) run the same way?
Hi.
I have only two complaints with Konqueror:
1) It doesn't remember passwords very well. It did until around RC2.. oh well, people complained then too..
2) I have yet to get Java working properly....
Can anyone tell me _EXACTLY_ how to get java working?? I've got 3 JDK2's on my system, and it works in Mozilla, but Konq's a no-go...
I've sarched all over, but I've had no clear explanation on how to properly set Java up..
Thanks for any help,
Ben
The debug messages are a little annoying, but you can just redirect to /dev/null. I agree that the FreeBSD 2.0 build was a little off, I personally found RC1/2 to be a little more stable (well, at least konq.)
:(
KDE2 itself has never crashed on me, Konq. sometimes, and KWord a lot, but overall it's very top notch. Konq and Mozilla, browser bliss.
I'm now running Debian woody and have upgraded to 2.0.1 already (apt-get install task-kde task-kde-devel, how sweet is that?) sadly, Konq's already crashed on me a few times...
I keep trying different DE's/WM's, from BlackBox to Gnome/Sawfish, XFCE and WindowMaker, I just can't beat KDE2 for it's coherence and integration. My biggest complaint is that you can't just run the file manager/destop icons liek before.
I miss doing kfm& with any windowmanager. kdestop& is no replacement!! Ahh, but I guess it's not the way it was meant to be run..
Ben
Okay, I'm tired of everyone bashing Netscape. They HAD to release something, and when it comes right down to it, Netscape 6.0 is pretty good. But hey, I've got news for you: Mozilla kicks ass!
Seriously, I'm using it all the time now. It's VERY fast, VERY stable, doesn't have much extra crap, is relatively small to download, and has GREAT standards compliance.
Any of the 12 remaining Netscape users out there really ought ot check out the latest daily builds. When Mozilla releases next it'll be browser nirvana for Unix users everywhere.
As for the statistics, about 2 of my friends use IE. Most still use NS 4.x just becuase it's what they're used to. Of coures all of my *nix friends and co-workers use NS (or mozilla) because it's their only choice.
Once again, mozilla is awesome now. The speed improvements are vast, getting a good theme that doesn't do too much is also key. (native.windows is the least distracting/fastest for me. I know it looks like IE, but who cares?)
I've got good encryption, excellent rendering, great speed, java, flash, and great XML features. Not to mention Mozilla runs on (or will be released soon) every OS/architecture I can throw at it.
I'd like to see Microsoft IE do that.
Hey.
;)
I've got one of the AD-600's and it works GREAT!! But, it's my second one. The first one I bought had a broken back button. It's a very quirky device, and I wouldn't recommend it to everyone, but it works very well, plays MP3 CDRW's perfectly, and the users manual alone is worth the price of the device.
Seriously, it's a VERY FUNNY READ!!
It's got smiley faces all over the place, has sections:
Enjoying Good Sound Quality
Enjoying Better Sound Quality
and
Enjoying Best Sound Quality
Hands down, the best part is in the Karaoke section where they refer to speaker feeback as:
"a Hauling sound: PI!!!!!!!!"
No, that's not a misquote. Seriously, I often take the book out at (geeky) parties. It's great.
Hmm, other miscelaneous notes:
1) My "Get Shorty" DVD insists on putting in subtitles
2) I have to clean my "Matrix" DVD before watching it most times
3) "La Femme Nikita" works perfectly and is worth buying..
4) Cannibal The Movie also worked perfectly and was great.
5) Crappy movies don't improve just by putting them on DVD
In short, the device works great, is cool with it's quirks, and I wouldn't trade it for any other player.
My first nVidia card was a 4MB PCI Riva 128. As far as I know, their first chipset. It was half price for $125 and worth every penny. I was there when they were developing beta OpenGL drivers, I remember trying to get the nVidia working with SuSE Linux 5.3, all through it I was a solid believer in nVidia's superior technology..
Now I'm running a 3DFX Voodoo3 2000. It's fine. It's fast enough, I have full HW accelerated OpenGL under Linux, FreeBSD, BeOS (well, 4.5.2 in theory) and QNX. My next card HAS to be able to do all of that. Like 3DFX, I want full open source drivers or I will NOT buy the card.
Does Matrox's new card fit my criteria? Does the ATI? I know nVidia doesn't. So my next card won't be an nVidia. Plain and simple.
So, can any of you tell me what the status of the otehr card makers is??
Hey,
I've got a question for people using 2.4.0pre10 or alan's 2.2.18pre22: Why does NFS mounting take WAY longer?
I've tried enabling/disabling NFS3 in the 2.4.0pre kernel, and have NFS3 disabled in 2.2.18pre22, whenever I mount an NFS export it takes about 5 seconds to mount on 2.2.18 and over a minute to mount on the 2.4.0pre10 kernel. Am I the only one seeing this? Is it a bug? Am I doing something wrong?
BTW, the client is running Debian Woody, my NFS server is running FreeBSD 4.1-stable.
Thanks for any help,
Ben
Actually, the "other option" you describe is called trade secrecy. It still happens all the time in industry. Not too much in the computer industry, but certainly in other areas.
Here's how Intellectual Property goes:
- Copyright (covers source and binary) lasts for 40ish years, and does NOT cover independant rediscovery. (So, company A copyrights something, company B "independantly" rediscovers it, all is okay. This is like MS making SMB and Samba implementing it from scratch.)
- Patent, as was described, you tell the world how you did it, the world has to license that for $$$
. Patents don't allow for independant rediscovery. So if a company gets a software patent (oh, like say Fraunhauffersp?) w/ MP3's) then even if you write your own you have to pay the original company.
- Trade Secrecy (Hide your work, hope no one figures it out)
There's also a special IP law for processors, giving a 10 year patent. Interestingly, software patents are a new thing. It used to be (up until the mid 80's iff I recall) that SW patents weren't allowed. They're still kinda questionable in Canada.
Patents were originally designed to promote innovation. Because they last 17-20 years, they effectively stiffle it in the software industry. Or at least that's my take.
Blah Blah Blah,
Ben
Hi.
I tried these instructions earlier today, but had to slightly modify them. Instead of:
dpkg --purge xserver-svga; apt-get update; apt-get install task-x-window-system libglide3*
I had to do:
dpkg --purge xserver-svga; apt-get update; apt-get install task-x-window-system* libglide3*
This made sure that I got task-x-window-system-core which has, among other things, dexter and xf86cfg.
Anyway, not a big deal, but that fixed it up for me.
Oh yeah, one more thing: When I patched 2.2.17 for the newest 2.2.18pre the compile failed on root.c: 643 in the proc area, any hints? I ended out just going with 2.4.0pre10, so now I get better SMP blah blah blah..
Sorry for rambling, hope the above helps...
Ben
Seriously, it obviously looks like Unix, but was it Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Solaris, HPUX etc?
Let's not forget that just becuase there was a Windowmanager (WindowMaker, I thought) doesn't make it Linux...
Ben
(Free Unix enthusiast)
Hello fellow Canadian,
Don't laugh, but the President's Choice Financial bank works like a charm, and they have 5% interest!!
I'm not kidding, I make $20 interest in a month on the same cash that earns me a whopping $0.30 in my ScotiaBank account.
NS/128-bit works fine, Konqueror looks like it would, but for a java/javascript issue (the only failing of Konqi is the javascript support..)
Anyway, check it out. It's awesome. I know they don't do commercial accounts yet, but they will be soon.
www.preschoicefinancial.com
Cheers,
Ben
I'm sure that when I tried out QNX RTP it had GNU development tools (gcc etc.) with it. There's also a largr number of everyone's fav. Linux apps ported..
I tried out RTP when it came out, they had ports for (but not limited to)
- gtk
- x11amp
- gimp
- ssh
- mc
- vi
- (maybe emacs..)
- abiword
- a Mozilla port that I couldn't find
- many, many others.
Overall, the OS was smokin' fast, they're going to be using IBM's JDK (actually developed in Ottawa too by one of the object* companies.) They also had good 3D support for my Voodoo 3, and had demos of Q3 to prove it..
The browser was pretty good, the photon interface was good (but not as nice as the DE's for Linux.) Anyway, I was quite imoressed. Maybe you should give it a spin...
Ben
FreeBSD (on i386) runs Linux i386 binaries very well, and glib, gdk, gtk+ gnome, gimp etc. run unber all BSD's, but porting gimp to OSX would be a lot more than just that.
For starters, gtk+ needs X-Windows, and Aqua isn't X-Windows by a long shot, so a port of GTK would have to be made (I'd be surprised if this wasn't underway, I know there was/is work on a BeOS port, and QNX photon uses its X layer to get GTK working..)
Anyway, this would certainly be a non-trivial port. Apple's not using X-Windows on purpose (personally, I think X gets a bad rap. I think it's great.) but I wouldn't hold my breath for a GIMP port. Command-line stuff probably compiles cleanly, but something as complex as gimp....
Hi.
l a-i386-unknown-freebsdelf4.1.1-M18.tar.gz
I built and packaged M18 for FreeBSD. I used 4.1.1 to build it, but I ran it on 4.1 without a hitch too. I sent in my tar.gz file to mozilla, but until it shows up there you can get it from:
http://unixstuff.penguinpowered.com/files/mozil
M18 sure seems fast, I can't believe how much mozilla has progressed in the last few months! I've been using it and promoting it since around M8, and my friends are finally starting to listen to me..
Cheers,
Ben
Hi.
I've noticed, and complained before, that GIF support isn't compiled in by default on FreeBSD. Upon inspecting the Makefile of the QT port, I noticed that they seem to check for a Unisys license before allowing the GIF support to be compiled in.
Does anyone know if this is necessary? Am I allowed to build and distribute a package that has GIF support built in, or could I face the wrath of Unisys?
Also, I know that Mandrake ships QT with GIF support, does this mean that they paid Unisys, or that they are breaking the law?
Finally, if compiling in GIF support is illegal in the US, what about Canada and internationally?
The reason I ask is that I have bult a FreeBSD package of QT 2.2.1 with GIF support, but before I put it up on my website I wanted to make sure that I (as a Canadian citizen) am not going to get into trouble.
Thanks for the clarification,
Ben
I did.
There were prebuilt binaries of the ports
(made by doing make package) also. As KDE2 takes a while to compile, the binary packages are a better option for some people.
Would you mind quoting the link that makes reference to this?
MDK 7.1 got to shelves pretty quickly after release, and KDE2 Final will ship in a week, I can't see them not holding off, but I've read users posting this info before.
Hi.
I've gotten it to work, though I've used the available binary packages (and then I recompile QT2.2 for GIF support.
That was 1.94, though. I haven't tried recompiling for RC2, adn I'm pretty sure there are no binaries for it (yet)
Hope that helps, I'd be happy to help explain how to instal the packages if you need it,
Ben
At my school there's a lab full of Celeron's running Linux JUST for an Operating Systems class. They let the users log in as root and recompile the kernel/tear the machine apart and then re-ghost the image every day or two. This sounds like a much nicer way of letting users see how Linux works without doing any damage to the network. What a boon for teaching!
A lot of people here are saying that Mozilla is competition for Opera - I guess it is. Personally, I think Konqueror is closer to home. It's VERY fast, uses QT2.2 etc.
For anyone who hasn't tried Konqueror (part of kde2base) in a while, you really ought to. I've been playing with the daily builds for Mandrake 7.2 and it has gotten a LOT better at renedering pages over the last month or so.
Personally, a year from now I can see two main browsers in the Unix world:
Mozilla (ns6, galeon, nautilus etc.) and Konqueror. Really, Konqueror is THAT good. It's amazing to me that the KDE guys have put together such a great product suite in a few years. It's true that they don;t have to worry about non-unix ports, but they really desrve some recognition.
Anyway, one nice thing to see about Opera was that it was 2MB for the static version and only 1.1MB for the dynamically linked version. When was the last time we saw a 1MB browser that had that many features? (Galeon doesn't count - you still need mozilla.)
Hi.
I went to freshports.org and downloaded the qt-2.2 port. I uncompressed it into the appropriate directory (/usr/ports/x11-toolkits) and edited the Makefile to include -gif as a configure option.
This is now compiling on my machine, and should give me GIF support. I guess I answered my own question. Hope this helps someone.
Ben
Hi, I installed the beta on my BSD 4.1 machine without a hitch, way to go! I have one complaint, I can't view GIF files!! By looking at QT, it seems likely that the library was built without GIF support. Does anyone else have this problem? Will there be another version of QT with GIF support compiled in? A web browser without gif's is pretty useless. Thanks for any help, Ben