Correct you are. I admin systems that process close to a half million messages a day average, the vast majority of that is spam. Bayesian classification is one of the 5-10 layers that contributes to a spamassassin score on these sysetms.
Bayesian is probably the most useful part of the anti-spam system, but also the most annoying to administer because of this poisoning. I can't even count the number different methods I've tried to keep an accurate bayesian database since the poisoning started, and number of databases I've had to wipe and start from scratch.
If evolution wasn't broken and stupid people did less breeding and more dying, we wouldn't have the small percentage of idiots that keep spammers in business, or the jackass spammers in the first place.
What really doesn't add up for me is that things were pretty nice and lag free during the closed beta, there were large maintenance windows understandably, but the game ran smooth otherwise. As soon as they made it an open beta where anyone could play, and dumped large amounts of users into the equasion, performance was horrible.
A lot of the purpose of the open beta was to act as a stress test, which the product/infrastructure obviously failed horribly, yet the release date was kept. The game going release added millions more users, more than they could imagine, to what already couldn't handle a fraction of the load.. and we are suprised at the results ?
This is an animated depiction of trying to log onto the game:
http://www.leagueofpirates.com/sirvival/queuedance .html
Sadly.. this was made over a year ago when the game was newly released (though it spent forever in alpha and beta stages) and most people complained, but held onto the hope that these issues would be worked out over time. A lot of major issues have been fixed, but performance issues still remain to this day.
I've seen the server-end software that WoW runs on, it's not that complicated. They simply need to build a new infrastructure with the best database, account, and storage server clusters they can easily afford, have a day of downtime, and migrate everything to the shiny new infrastructure. No more daily/weekly downtime trying to get the current 486dx servers to run decently.
Exactly my initial reaction. USEnet has been around for longer than google, the WWW, or any of this stuff, so I almost feel as if it's being disrespected by ignorance like this.
Yeah, I personally will not use it on my own domains or those of my direct customers as I have a policy of intruducing no change of losing legitimate mail. I run e-mail through 9+ layers of antispam/antivirus/content filtering/etc. but none of it rejects mail, just scores, filters to folders, cleans, quaratines, etc.
I won't rely on something like greylisting which assumes all admins of *legit* MTAs know what they are doing and do everything right. We all know what happens when you assume.
That said, I've set up greylisting for some clients that want it and are fine with the risk, and it is *very* effective at blocking spam, ratware very much does not retry.
Like everything else though, if greylisting becomes widespread, ratware will adapt and greylisting will be useless, like SPF.
Indeed, as soon as I read the headline of the article I knew some dork that didn't understand greylisting was behind it. I've implemented greylisting with MDaemon (along with it's other 9 or so anti-spam layers) with great sucess, and if you use decent monitoring tools, everything works just fine.
The fun never ends for "xiando corp." From dozens of conspiracy whacko sites, to conspiracy sites posing as torrent sites, to fake porn sites full of referrer links (his actual source of revenue I suspect) it's quite an operation. This guy is the new timecube.com
wow. wow. I just took a look at your sites there.. you need to check into the funny farm right away sir. Do you just find every possible nutjob conspiracy theory and instantly belive it ? I mean, some people are whackos and belive a conspiracy or two, but you've got so many going on there that I can't help but just laugh my ass off.
Interesting. We are all about the networks up here I guess. I travel to all sorts of different offices and am always provided network access for that sort of thing, attaching a local printer is unheard of. The big oil corps tend to have special vlans and whatnot for just such purposes.
Hell, most printers have IRDA which I'd use prior to whipping out the old parallel cable.
Aye I'm not sure why the T42 has a parallel port. I haven't used such an interface in about 10 years. My office gives all us network guys t42s, despite the #1 thing we need in a laptop being a serial port. So these things have no serial port and for some reason a parallel port. They now give us cheap usb=serial adapters with the things. They have crappy drivers that always change the port#, but they work.
One thing that I think is available now from at least Cisco is a phone that runs on 802.11 voip when your in the office, and as soon as you walk out the door it switches over to cdma/gsm/whatever. Requires a special sever and configuration at the local office and ties into the mobility provider somehow, but the end result is pretty neat.
I don't think we can expect to learn. People will always be dumb, lazy, and take the easy route. If they plug it in, and it works, they aren't gonna mess with it or even know that they should.
Vendors incorporating even the simplest bit of security from the start would have been the best thing, I don't think it's too late now. Linksys made some silly "secure button" thing, but it was still insecure and functional by default I belive.
Slashdot Mirror
too bad windows vista is GPU bound :)
http://www.apcstart.com/teched/pivot/entry.php?id= 6
noted.
Correct you are. I admin systems that process close to a half million messages a day average, the vast majority of that is spam. Bayesian classification is one of the 5-10 layers that contributes to a spamassassin score on these sysetms. Bayesian is probably the most useful part of the anti-spam system, but also the most annoying to administer because of this poisoning. I can't even count the number different methods I've tried to keep an accurate bayesian database since the poisoning started, and number of databases I've had to wipe and start from scratch. If evolution wasn't broken and stupid people did less breeding and more dying, we wouldn't have the small percentage of idiots that keep spammers in business, or the jackass spammers in the first place.
I have made my house in 3-dimensions! (well, my dream house) http://neverhost.net/temp/house.jpg
congratulations, you've invented the mirror.
What really doesn't add up for me is that things were pretty nice and lag free during the closed beta, there were large maintenance windows understandably, but the game ran smooth otherwise. As soon as they made it an open beta where anyone could play, and dumped large amounts of users into the equasion, performance was horrible. A lot of the purpose of the open beta was to act as a stress test, which the product/infrastructure obviously failed horribly, yet the release date was kept. The game going release added millions more users, more than they could imagine, to what already couldn't handle a fraction of the load.. and we are suprised at the results ?
I assume they use this clever thing that any decent datacentre uses called "BGP". And "peering". If they don't, all hope is lost.
This is an animated depiction of trying to log onto the game: http://www.leagueofpirates.com/sirvival/queuedance .html
Sadly.. this was made over a year ago when the game was newly released (though it spent forever in alpha and beta stages) and most people complained, but held onto the hope that these issues would be worked out over time. A lot of major issues have been fixed, but performance issues still remain to this day.
I've seen the server-end software that WoW runs on, it's not that complicated. They simply need to build a new infrastructure with the best database, account, and storage server clusters they can easily afford, have a day of downtime, and migrate everything to the shiny new infrastructure. No more daily/weekly downtime trying to get the current 486dx servers to run decently.
Exactly my initial reaction. USEnet has been around for longer than google, the WWW, or any of this stuff, so I almost feel as if it's being disrespected by ignorance like this.
I made a digg account just do I could "digg" this "digg", or whatever. Sadly I quite enjoyed the interface and responsiveness of the site :/
Current latency from digg to slashdot is 172,800,000 milliseconds. (this was on digg 2 days ago)
Yeah, I personally will not use it on my own domains or those of my direct customers as I have a policy of intruducing no change of losing legitimate mail. I run e-mail through 9+ layers of antispam/antivirus/content filtering/etc. but none of it rejects mail, just scores, filters to folders, cleans, quaratines, etc. I won't rely on something like greylisting which assumes all admins of *legit* MTAs know what they are doing and do everything right. We all know what happens when you assume. That said, I've set up greylisting for some clients that want it and are fine with the risk, and it is *very* effective at blocking spam, ratware very much does not retry. Like everything else though, if greylisting becomes widespread, ratware will adapt and greylisting will be useless, like SPF.
Indeed, as soon as I read the headline of the article I knew some dork that didn't understand greylisting was behind it. I've implemented greylisting with MDaemon (along with it's other 9 or so anti-spam layers) with great sucess, and if you use decent monitoring tools, everything works just fine.
this article is about linux ?
I think the most mafiaesque thing I've seen on the old HTTP lately would be the DDoS and demand for ransom money on milliondollarhomepage.com Here's an article on it, the blog on the site itself also details how it went down. http://www.techshout.com/internet/2006/19/ransom-s eeking-hackers-attack-uk-students-million-dollar-w eb-site/
Maybe you can help me... I just spent about 5 minutes looking at scroogle, and I cannot figure out what it is, or what it is for.
well patched meaning, what is 2000 on now, service pack 4,293 ?
The fun never ends for "xiando corp." From dozens of conspiracy whacko sites, to conspiracy sites posing as torrent sites, to fake porn sites full of referrer links (his actual source of revenue I suspect) it's quite an operation. This guy is the new timecube.com
Han did not shoot first
I have no points today but here.. +5 insightful.
wow. wow. I just took a look at your sites there.. you need to check into the funny farm right away sir. Do you just find every possible nutjob conspiracy theory and instantly belive it ? I mean, some people are whackos and belive a conspiracy or two, but you've got so many going on there that I can't help but just laugh my ass off.
Interesting. We are all about the networks up here I guess. I travel to all sorts of different offices and am always provided network access for that sort of thing, attaching a local printer is unheard of. The big oil corps tend to have special vlans and whatnot for just such purposes. Hell, most printers have IRDA which I'd use prior to whipping out the old parallel cable.
Aye I'm not sure why the T42 has a parallel port. I haven't used such an interface in about 10 years. My office gives all us network guys t42s, despite the #1 thing we need in a laptop being a serial port. So these things have no serial port and for some reason a parallel port. They now give us cheap usb=serial adapters with the things. They have crappy drivers that always change the port#, but they work.
One thing that I think is available now from at least Cisco is a phone that runs on 802.11 voip when your in the office, and as soon as you walk out the door it switches over to cdma/gsm/whatever. Requires a special sever and configuration at the local office and ties into the mobility provider somehow, but the end result is pretty neat.
I don't think we can expect to learn. People will always be dumb, lazy, and take the easy route. If they plug it in, and it works, they aren't gonna mess with it or even know that they should. Vendors incorporating even the simplest bit of security from the start would have been the best thing, I don't think it's too late now. Linksys made some silly "secure button" thing, but it was still insecure and functional by default I belive.