I'm working on the design of future Strong AI's, and one of our future target apps is cars. The way I see it the Strong AI system will cost about $50,000 - more than the average car and have a much longer lifespan. - With a maintenance contract and hardware updating the lifespan will be as long as you like.. as the machines are intended to learn from experience they will get better at 'driving' and have more developed personalities the longer they are operational. The solution is that when you change your car you pull the AI modules and install them in the new car. - There will be an interface kit for each model and make that a standardised AI design lots into..
If he's a 'warmonger' then you must be an appeaser. Poor Assad, poor NK, poor Putin, poor old Pol Pot.. the evil old west.. If this were WWII you would arguing for surrender to Hitler, or Stalin. I bet a lot more people have died in NK, and will die due to their government than would die in a war. NK is a top heavy dictatorship and its people would celebrate if they were freed.
BTW China don't actually like NK but they are afraid of a revolution there triggering a collapse or revolution in China itself.. BTW Russia are not actually quite friends with China either more like rivals and potential enemies, they have a huge border between them and Russia has always been afraid of invasion by China.. More like 'frenemies'..
You're an idiot. Ultimately reductio-ad-absurdum if you create an atomically perfect simulation of a human brain then you are telling me that it will still not be conscious? Apply that logic in reverse and it merely proves that humans cannot be conscious either.. In reality you are a complete non-expert in the field and speaking from a deep well of ignorance.
Ironically part of the maths of Strong AI solves the imaginary mass calculation problem - proving that it is NOT impossible for massed objects to travel faster than light.. all it requires is a superposition of positive and negative mass that adds up to zero.
WHEN SOMEONE TELLS YOU SOMETHING IS IMPOSSIBLE BEYOND ALL DOUBT WITHOUT ANY PROOF TO BACK IT UP, THEY ARE USUALLY WRONG.
But I'm working on Strong AI - and I can tell you definitively that while it is very difficult, it is not impossible. Consciousness is only impossible if you don't understand it. Comparatively its not even that complex - an OS like Windows contains at least several million lines of code - a functional complete Strong AI will only need about 1,000 to 10,000 lines of code. The really difficult part is that Strong AI is incompatible with much of current hardware and software design and so real working machines will need to be almost completely custom built from the hardware up. Another problem is that brains use a quantum trick that greatly boosts their capabilities - and replicating this is not possible/or easy with current technology..
Its all academic anyway. Also non-physicist, working in the field of cutting edge Strong AI. - A piece of maths I was working on turned out to solve the real value roots to imaginary numbers.. Fifteen years later - can point out that the real error is in general relativity, figured out how to rewrite the spatial model to include an absolute FTL frame. (all it requires is a limit rule on the size of physical dimensional time restricting it to quantum scales.) Once you have an absolute frame model quantum physics rewrites itself as well. In the wave particle duality, particle like behaviour generally involves STL interactions, and wave like behaviour involves FTL interactions.. In an FTL model of quantum physics the whole of quantum physics is fully deterministic and uncertainty principle can be made to disappear completely (locally) but only in interactions involving extended FTL coherence.. Of course the joke is that it is all academic because physicists don't like their sacred cows being slaughtered.. and the biggest sacred cow of all is general relativity.
"It doesn't even have to be a bug - one cosmic ray flips the wrong bit and suddenly the negative two million weighting you gave to "exterminate humanity" becomes positive."
I wouldn't worry about that, I'm working on a program to build real Strong AI's, and absolute requirements in the specification include a requirement for at least 4 way redundancy on primary circuits and a strong RFI / EMI / EMP shield.. Your certainly right though about the danger of design errors - early machines will definitely be restricted in what they are able to do. And one of the main requirements to move towards 'production' ready machines is the need for a sequence of machine evolution that produces a clean design sequence, so it will be machines designing and building machines.
Looking at building machines with Asimov type laws, the first law is definitely the one that causes the most trouble. - With the basic law all you have to do to get the machine to kill someone is convince it that killing them will minimize the overall loss of life. The real nightmare is putting humans in charge of Strong AI machines, like humans they will be potentially vulnerable to indoctrination. Some worst owners - the Taliban, other Jihadis, career criminals, sales cold callers, various psycho's, fanatics, fundamentalists, etc. Just the guy who teaches his machine to tell racist jokes then puts it on YouTube is a total nightmare. From another angle, the nightmare is getting the balance right between a machine that reports its owner to the police or state every time they commit any minor infraction or say anything that can be interpreted as a threat or subversive - all the way to helping them commit acts of serious crime or building terrorist bombs. Then we get the nightmare of the machines potential vulnerability to hackers - already have a 90% complete solution to that but it will annoy the c*** out of people. (the solution involves custom hardware, bespoke minimal OS, physical intrusion protection, strong encryption, and other things..)
So which is Battlefield Earth? Or is it a cult classic only to those actually in a cult?
It definitely looks a deliberate insult to the book and to L Ron Hubbard..
Just like some of the other worst SF movies in history - The 'Hitch Hikers Guide..' an abomination, actually managed to achieve worse effects than the late 70's BBC workshop production. - (That apparently used tape and hand drawn lettering to simulate computer displays..) A total insult to Douglas Adams and the original.. Then there was Aliens vs Predator - another total insult to the material it came from, though mainly in the script, SF consistency, and 'directing', and...
Hell, when I think about it the list just goes on and on.. Maybe what we really need are some terrorists with a nuclear bomb, if they could blow up the modern Hollywood they could only improve the quality of the output..
Maybe the North Koreans did us all a big favour. If Sony bury and burn this apparent turkey ('The Interview') forever we'll always have the mystery. - Which has to be better than the inevitable crushing disappointment that the reality will no doubt be..:D
Totally ignoring the effects of the UK and US bombing of the big industrial centres in Germany. Without some of that bombing there is a very good chance of the Nazi's fighting the soviets with nuclear bombs and advanced missiles - guess who would have won then.
Also ignoring that Stalin was every bit as bad on human rights and every bit as murderous as the Nazis were. In the pre-Stalinised version of the history the Soviets killed between about 10 and 30 million in eastern Europe including up to 10 million in death camps. The only difference is the fifty years the Soviets had to cover it all up and brainwash it out of the history afterwards... When the Allies chose between Stalin and Hitler there wasn't that much in it. In the end it probably came down to the fact that Hitler was an even bigger liar than Stalin was...
The irony is that the US 'for profit' version costs in GDP about twice what the 'socialist' version costs while generally delivering a service that is in many ways inferior. Maybe that $100 billion of net profits per year has something to do with it.
A true capitalist applies the test of evolution - which is the most efficient for the country/economy as a whole? - For the police, the courts, the army, healthcare, utilities where there are natural monopolies - socialist versions are often more efficient.. The US healthcare system is held up throughout the world as an example where 'market forces' have lead to inefficiency, exploitation, systematic overpricing, corruption, and often very bad service..
Not having iTunes is a great selling point for me. Who would anyone want to buy music and never own it? tie themselves to 'Engulf and Devour' forever- or until they pull the plug on you?
Yes but be the same argument embracing capitalism makes you indirectly 'morally guilty' for the deaths of about 500 million to 1 billion people - the number killed by poverty during the twentieth century.. Hey I'm a capitalist and half a communist too - so does that make me responsible for both? Real Marxists of course would point out that Soviet communism was far more like fascism or simple dictatorship than real communism and would probably then point at the French Libertines.
This is all assuming you believe everything the police officer says is true. As we in the UK keep learning, when they do something wrong or commit crime no one lies more fluidly than the police.
Once you take coal into account Greenpeace have killed far more than either ISIS or the Taliban. (coal 10,000 x more dangerous than nuclear promoted by Greenpeace.) With their agrarian, anti-science philosophy contaminating the climate change and environmental debate they are also arguably a bigger threat to the future as well.:D
Trouble is some people will take that as racism. We in the UK have a turd called David Cameron as Prime minister, before that it was a turd called Tony Blair, and before that John Major, before that Thatcher.. - all turds, all white... Course they are only metaphorical turds not real - real turds never have chosen to fund HS2 or gone into Iraq and bailed out the thieving bankers with our money....
Dumb ass. During testing some 2000 nuclear bombs were detonated.. Chernobyl released the same radiation as at least 200 nuclear bombs.. So why aren't we all dead and where are all the mutants? because its all 90% fantasy and always has been. Propaganda by Greenpeice and all the other Psudo-Green liars.. How many people have Greenpeace killed? well the switch from nuclear and to coal has already killed between about 5 and 10 million people globally, and that's about 10 to 20 times the number killed so far by nuclear bombs..
BTW The statement that nuclear war would kill 'everyone' on Earth always ignored the populations outside the big cities or outside the US or Russia or allies.. Africa, South America, most of Asia, even North America north of the US or half of Europe - all would be mostly untouched, but then the anti nuclear lobby were never much for geography, history or facts in general..
Me I'm with Gene Roddenberry and afraid that it is only those civilizations that go through the fire of a global nuclear war that get to survive and eventually become interstellar civilizations.. The rest rot through their own self importance and arrogance and eventually suffocate themselves with climate change and the pollution and short sightedness of consumerism..
WWII Its all a matter of perspective - and propaganda.. - If you take Stalin's version of the History then the entirely innocent Soviet Union fought the evil fascists who had murdered 25 million East Europeans. If you take the old Wests version before the "Stalinisation" of our history (est 1991), then the Soviets killed/murdered between about 10 million and 30 million people in Eastern Europe during WWII - including up to about 10 million in death camps, and including about 1.5 million Jews.. The difference between the Soviets and the Nazi's was that the Soviets had 50 years to cover it up and fully brainwash local populations into believing their version of the history... Like Churchill said 'the Winners Write the History..'
The USA's crimes are miniscule in comparison - 10,000's of Japanese prisoners of are murdered out of hand after being captured or surrendering.. 10,000's of Japanese women raped after or during the end of the conflict.. 200,000 killed by the two atomic bombs, on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. 100,000 to 200,000 killed during the fire bombing of Tokyo, mostly women, children, and OAP's.. (In their defence most of the US high command were using performance enhancers at the time - especially 'cocaine'.)
We in the UK can smugly claim that we committed very few war crimes in comparison. - Except maybe the carpet bombing of the German cities - using incendiaries.
I'd be careful with that idea, you might have to end up burning the entire CIA and maybe the NSA too, and maybe even parts of the FBI.. Then you'd better start dealing with just about every government in the world..
Got a comment about that - Salem Witch trails.. Once you know about hysteria and false memory and suggestibility you will realise that we can never trust these kinds of cases one way or another.
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I'm working on the design of future Strong AI's, and one of our future target apps is cars. The way I see it the Strong AI system will cost about $50,000 - more than the average car and have a much longer lifespan. - With a maintenance contract and hardware updating the lifespan will be as long as you like.. as the machines are intended to learn from experience they will get better at 'driving' and have more developed personalities the longer they are operational.
The solution is that when you change your car you pull the AI modules and install them in the new car. - There will be an interface kit for each model and make that a standardised AI design lots into..
Kim Jon Un is a character from a South Park episode..
If he's a 'warmonger' then you must be an appeaser. Poor Assad, poor NK, poor Putin, poor old Pol Pot.. the evil old west.. If this were WWII you would arguing for surrender to Hitler, or Stalin. I bet a lot more people have died in NK, and will die due to their government than would die in a war. NK is a top heavy dictatorship and its people would celebrate if they were freed.
BTW China don't actually like NK but they are afraid of a revolution there triggering a collapse or revolution in China itself..
BTW Russia are not actually quite friends with China either more like rivals and potential enemies, they have a huge border between them and Russia has always been afraid of invasion by China.. More like 'frenemies'..
No t means the people are slaves - to the republic..
You're an idiot. Ultimately reductio-ad-absurdum if you create an atomically perfect simulation of a human brain then you are telling me that it will still not be conscious? Apply that logic in reverse and it merely proves that humans cannot be conscious either.. In reality you are a complete non-expert in the field and speaking from a deep well of ignorance.
Ironically part of the maths of Strong AI solves the imaginary mass calculation problem - proving that it is NOT impossible for massed objects to travel faster than light.. all it requires is a superposition of positive and negative mass that adds up to zero.
WHEN SOMEONE TELLS YOU SOMETHING IS IMPOSSIBLE BEYOND ALL DOUBT WITHOUT ANY PROOF TO BACK IT UP, THEY ARE USUALLY WRONG.
But I'm working on Strong AI - and I can tell you definitively that while it is very difficult, it is not impossible. Consciousness is only impossible if you don't understand it. Comparatively its not even that complex - an OS like Windows contains at least several million lines of code - a functional complete Strong AI will only need about 1,000 to 10,000 lines of code. The really difficult part is that Strong AI is incompatible with much of current hardware and software design and so real working machines will need to be almost completely custom built from the hardware up. Another problem is that brains use a quantum trick that greatly boosts their capabilities - and replicating this is not possible/or easy with current technology..
Its all academic anyway. Also non-physicist, working in the field of cutting edge Strong AI. - A piece of maths I was working on turned out to solve the real value roots to imaginary numbers.. Fifteen years later - can point out that the real error is in general relativity, figured out how to rewrite the spatial model to include an absolute FTL frame. (all it requires is a limit rule on the size of physical dimensional time restricting it to quantum scales.)
Once you have an absolute frame model quantum physics rewrites itself as well. In the wave particle duality, particle like behaviour generally involves STL interactions, and wave like behaviour involves FTL interactions.. In an FTL model of quantum physics the whole of quantum physics is fully deterministic and uncertainty principle can be made to disappear completely (locally) but only in interactions involving extended FTL coherence..
Of course the joke is that it is all academic because physicists don't like their sacred cows being slaughtered.. and the biggest sacred cow of all is general relativity.
"It doesn't even have to be a bug - one cosmic ray flips the wrong bit and suddenly the negative two million weighting you gave to "exterminate humanity" becomes positive."
I wouldn't worry about that, I'm working on a program to build real Strong AI's, and absolute requirements in the specification include a requirement for at least 4 way redundancy on primary circuits and a strong RFI / EMI / EMP shield..
Your certainly right though about the danger of design errors - early machines will definitely be restricted in what they are able to do. And one of the main requirements to move towards 'production' ready machines is the need for a sequence of machine evolution that produces a clean design sequence, so it will be machines designing and building machines.
Looking at building machines with Asimov type laws, the first law is definitely the one that causes the most trouble. - With the basic law all you have to do to get the machine to kill someone is convince it that killing them will minimize the overall loss of life.
The real nightmare is putting humans in charge of Strong AI machines, like humans they will be potentially vulnerable to indoctrination. Some worst owners - the Taliban, other Jihadis, career criminals, sales cold callers, various psycho's, fanatics, fundamentalists, etc. Just the guy who teaches his machine to tell racist jokes then puts it on YouTube is a total nightmare.
From another angle, the nightmare is getting the balance right between a machine that reports its owner to the police or state every time they commit any minor infraction or say anything that can be interpreted as a threat or subversive - all the way to helping them commit acts of serious crime or building terrorist bombs.
Then we get the nightmare of the machines potential vulnerability to hackers - already have a 90% complete solution to that but it will annoy the c*** out of people. (the solution involves custom hardware, bespoke minimal OS, physical intrusion protection, strong encryption, and other things..)
You mean like manned flight, the atomic bomb, or travelling faster than light?
So which is Battlefield Earth? Or is it a cult classic only to those actually in a cult?
It definitely looks a deliberate insult to the book and to L Ron Hubbard..
Just like some of the other worst SF movies in history - ..' an abomination, actually managed to achieve worse effects than the late 70's BBC workshop production. - (That apparently used tape and hand drawn lettering to simulate computer displays..) A total insult to Douglas Adams and the original.. ...
The 'Hitch Hikers Guide
Then there was Aliens vs Predator - another total insult to the material it came from, though mainly in the script, SF consistency, and 'directing', and
Hell, when I think about it the list just goes on and on.. Maybe what we really need are some terrorists with a nuclear bomb, if they could blow up the modern Hollywood they could only improve the quality of the output..
Maybe the North Koreans did us all a big favour. If Sony bury and burn this apparent turkey ('The Interview') forever we'll always have the mystery. - Which has to be better than the inevitable crushing disappointment that the reality will no doubt be.. :D
I must have been asleep. - Never noticed them removing that DRM or just forgot about it. :)
Totally ignoring the effects of the UK and US bombing of the big industrial centres in Germany. Without some of that bombing there is a very good chance of the Nazi's fighting the soviets with nuclear bombs and advanced missiles - guess who would have won then.
Also ignoring that Stalin was every bit as bad on human rights and every bit as murderous as the Nazis were. In the pre-Stalinised version of the history the Soviets killed between about 10 and 30 million in eastern Europe including up to 10 million in death camps. The only difference is the fifty years the Soviets had to cover it all up and brainwash it out of the history afterwards... When the Allies chose between Stalin and Hitler there wasn't that much in it. In the end it probably came down to the fact that Hitler was an even bigger liar than Stalin was...
The irony is that the US 'for profit' version costs in GDP about twice what the 'socialist' version costs while generally delivering a service that is in many ways inferior. Maybe that $100 billion of net profits per year has something to do with it.
A true capitalist applies the test of evolution - which is the most efficient for the country/economy as a whole? - For the police, the courts, the army, healthcare, utilities where there are natural monopolies - socialist versions are often more efficient.. The US healthcare system is held up throughout the world as an example where 'market forces' have lead to inefficiency, exploitation, systematic overpricing, corruption, and often very bad service..
Should be - 'Why would anyone want to buy music and never own it?' -- stupid dyslexia..
Not having iTunes is a great selling point for me. Who would anyone want to buy music and never own it? tie themselves to 'Engulf and Devour' forever- or until they pull the plug on you?
Yes but be the same argument embracing capitalism makes you indirectly 'morally guilty' for the deaths of about 500 million to 1 billion people - the number killed by poverty during the twentieth century.. Hey I'm a capitalist and half a communist too - so does that make me responsible for both?
Real Marxists of course would point out that Soviet communism was far more like fascism or simple dictatorship than real communism and would probably then point at the French Libertines.
I always forget - sarcasm should be labelled ['sarcasm'] for the hard of thinking..
This is all assuming you believe everything the police officer says is true. As we in the UK keep learning, when they do something wrong or commit crime no one lies more fluidly than the police.
Once you take coal into account Greenpeace have killed far more than either ISIS or the Taliban. (coal 10,000 x more dangerous than nuclear promoted by Greenpeace.) With their agrarian, anti-science philosophy contaminating the climate change and environmental debate they are also arguably a bigger threat to the future as well. :D
Trouble is some people will take that as racism. We in the UK have a turd called David Cameron as Prime minister, before that it was a turd called Tony Blair, and before that John Major, before that Thatcher.. - all turds, all white ... Course they are only metaphorical turds not real - real turds never have chosen to fund HS2 or gone into Iraq and bailed out the thieving bankers with our money....
Dumb ass. During testing some 2000 nuclear bombs were detonated .. Chernobyl released the same radiation as at least 200 nuclear bombs.. So why aren't we all dead and where are all the mutants? because its all 90% fantasy and always has been. Propaganda by Greenpeice and all the other Psudo-Green liars.. How many people have Greenpeace killed? well the switch from nuclear and to coal has already killed between about 5 and 10 million people globally, and that's about 10 to 20 times the number killed so far by nuclear bombs..
BTW The statement that nuclear war would kill 'everyone' on Earth always ignored the populations outside the big cities or outside the US or Russia or allies.. Africa, South America, most of Asia, even North America north of the US or half of Europe - all would be mostly untouched, but then the anti nuclear lobby were never much for geography, history or facts in general..
Me I'm with Gene Roddenberry and afraid that it is only those civilizations that go through the fire of a global nuclear war that get to survive and eventually become interstellar civilizations.. The rest rot through their own self importance and arrogance and eventually suffocate themselves with climate change and the pollution and short sightedness of consumerism..
WWII Its all a matter of perspective - and propaganda.. -
If you take Stalin's version of the History then the entirely innocent Soviet Union fought the evil fascists who had murdered 25 million East Europeans.
If you take the old Wests version before the "Stalinisation" of our history (est 1991), then the Soviets killed/murdered between about 10 million and 30 million people in Eastern Europe during WWII - including up to about 10 million in death camps, and including about 1.5 million Jews.. The difference between the Soviets and the Nazi's was that the Soviets had 50 years to cover it up and fully brainwash local populations into believing their version of the history... Like Churchill said 'the Winners Write the History..'
The USA's crimes are miniscule in comparison -
10,000's of Japanese prisoners of are murdered out of hand after being captured or surrendering..
10,000's of Japanese women raped after or during the end of the conflict..
200,000 killed by the two atomic bombs, on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
100,000 to 200,000 killed during the fire bombing of Tokyo, mostly women, children, and OAP's..
(In their defence most of the US high command were using performance enhancers at the time - especially 'cocaine'.)
We in the UK can smugly claim that we committed very few war crimes in comparison. -
Except maybe the carpet bombing of the German cities - using incendiaries.
Yes if you find yourself facing COBOL what you need is a cross and some garlic. Its the MONSTER that just will not die.
I'd be careful with that idea, you might have to end up burning the entire CIA and maybe the NSA too, and maybe even parts of the FBI.. Then you'd better start dealing with just about every government in the world..
Got a comment about that - Salem Witch trails.. Once you know about hysteria and false memory and suggestibility you will realise that we can never trust these kinds of cases one way or another.