I've seen no evidence that Microsoft plans on making Starter a netbook version- that would make the different-versions thing make sense for the consumer
The various flavours of desktop Windows [...] have no basis in customer needs.
Uh, market segmentation is pretty basic economics and common practice. See, for example, any car manufacturer [...]. Any company that can do this, will do it, because they'd be stupid not to.
So it's in the seller's interest, and to hammer the point home you give a car analogy involving price gouging. Does this mean you agree with your parent that it's not out of a consideration of the consumers' interests it's done?
they make math "cool" and students actually want to go to class.
Keep in mind that it's at a university, not high school. The students are there because they chose to be there, and they're free to leave at any time they want to.
I'm not saying "don't make the subject matter fun": please do that. But say I were to hire you based on your understanding of game theory; would I rather have one who spent half a year on doing the math, do you think, or one who spent half a year on doing some of the math and another part just playing games?
Unless I want you as my StarCraft coach, you, as a student, will have better marketable value by doing the math.
And hey, for my Algorithmic Game Theory course, I presented a paper showing how employing a tit-for-tat strategy in bittorrent leads to a market equilibrium. So it's not like you're forced to do dull stuff.
[full disclosure about my biases: I think math is "cool" in its own right. Finite fields kick ass, Lagrange interpolation is awesome and solving linear recurrence relations using matrix exponentiation (yay, Fibonacci) is a really neat idea. Almost---but not quite entirely---unlike digital watches]
Summary: make the math as fun and cool as you want, but don't make it fun by taking out the math part of it.
Sounds like the public game server should be doing some hash-checking on client installations.
Okay. I reverse engineer the client to determine what kind of crazy dance I must perform to make the serve think I'm kosher. Then I cheat.
The server has been assured of what, exactly?
To make it painstakingly clear, the security is this:
There's a server and a bunch of clients. There are trust boundaries between everybody, meaning no one trusts another. Having the client tell the server "You can trust me" doesn't make the client trustworthy. Sending a hash value is a different way to "spell" the message "You can trust me": it's different data, but the same semantics.
What you need to do if you want real security is give everybody only the data they're allowed to get, and check their input for validity when you get it.
Yes, that's slow. There's a trade-off. But having clients send a hash value and then trusting the clients is simply security by obscurity, with the worst possible security scenario happening when the first line defense is breached.
Why take a game [...] and modify it so you are pretending to pretend to [...]
Let's say you can play the guitar and pretend you're a rock star.
Then you play GH and pretend you play the guitar, so you pretend that you pretend you're a rock star.
Why? Because people like it. Or, if you prefer: because it sells well, and it sells well because people like it.
World of Padman is a quite fun FPS where you shoot paint, among other things. Granted, it's in a cartoony setting in the first place, so the paint fits in, but I'm not convinced it wouldn't be fun to shoot pretend paint at pretend real people.
I guess trying it out is the only way to be sure. Why dis it prematurely? Or are you just pretending to dis it?;)
No, much more likely we'd be gone, and in a few tens of millions of years
Let's just hope that whoever will be putting our bones in a museum will get a little sophisticated and won't think that digital watches are a pretty neat idea.
Me and the missus want the next thing in social computing: multi-touch tongue interfaces;)
Re:The lack of tech understanding in popular cultu
on
Daemon
·
· Score: 1
I am confident that there are vastly more people who care whether Troi and Riker hook up than believe that WoW deserves a more rigorous treatment within popular entertainment.
Have you seen what they did in Make Love, not Warcraft?
Srzly, what kinda no0b ru if u only kill boarz?? And Stans dad playn, dat waz so laaaaame... And ZOMGF!! A sword ona USB stick, hu the fuck is retard'd enouhg to buy that??? LAME!!
but i dont play guiatr hero (cuz i can play guitar)
I play GH even though I also play guitar. It's a great game, you should give it a go when you find the time.
Ever played Speedball even though you can don a 10-kg armor and throw a red hot iron ball around? Ever played Counterstrike even though you have a gun? Ever played Starcraft even though you own a bicyc... I mean Science Vessel?
If the performance of the composite were equal or better, you might have me as a customer, but for now, I'll pick and choose.
Then I might interest you with a toaster running BSD.
Think about it: you put some toasts in, go back to your computer, then when the toast is ready your computer says [record a female friend of yours saying this:] "your toast is ready".
It's also a cheap DMZ-able web server in its own right: no need to buy a different box to host your blog out of security concerns.
[be warned though: if someone roots the box, they might run "sysctl dev.heater.enable=1; sysctl dev.heater.temp = F451" and set your house on fire.]
If Linux ends up overtaking [...] then it'll only be a matter of time before Linux undeniably becomes the next Windows.
Really? Why would that be?
Also, in which sense would Linux become the next Windows? Which salient properties of Windows would Linux acquire?
I think much of "what Linux is" is determined by two factors: POSIX standards and unix flavor, plus which distribution you use.
I don't think anyone would stray too far from the general POSIX-ness of Linux; what would be the point?
The distributions are more free to vary along other axes; mostly about how many and which choices they make for you.
[For example: I've heard that on Ubuntu, firefox talks to NetworkManager to find out whether the computer it's running on is on-line. Gee, that's nice except I don't use NetworkManager because it doesn't do automagic bonding.]
Since the distributions are free to be very different as long as they interoperate well, I don't think you can say that Linux will become anything specific; any particular distribution might, but the users will always be able to choose another distribution.
Unless of course your scenario is that most distributions die and one particular distributions gains most of the market share.
Most/.'ers are not rabid foaming at the mouth loonies and they don't have a history of relentlessly hounding people who disagree with them.
I think there's a woman who bought an Ubuntu box without knowing what the deal was who would agree.
I'm not saying that her view is "The Correct View", and I don't know how well (that's well, not much) her story has been reported on, but I just want to point out that not everybody agrees with your assertion.
And in your (and our) defense: we don't do the things I've heard SHAC being accused of in this thread. Far from it.
And I seem to recall a gang of rebels, oh-when-was-that-around-1776-I-think, who'd rather die at the hand of their oppressors than pay taxes if they didn't have seats in the government.
And I'm sure you can find other historic examples of people willing to die for freedom.
Of these, MK:A is, IIRC, the least popular game (measured in shipped units and reviews). It's also my least favorite game.
SMG is clearly made to be enjoyable by kids, though that doesn't subtract much (if anything at all) (IMO) from the adult enjoyability factor.
But if it keeps the thinkofthechildren crowd busy, I'm all for it...
I don't know if I agree with that. Why do we need to tinker with the market if the market by itself makes kid-friendly games?
I also suspect that the more vocal parts of the TOTC crowd won't shut up until the whole world lives by that crowd's moral values, which isn't going to happen.
Slashdot Mirror
I've seen no evidence that Microsoft plans on making Starter a netbook version- that would make the different-versions thing make sense for the consumer
FTFY
The various flavours of desktop Windows [...] have no basis in customer needs.
Uh, market segmentation is pretty basic economics and common practice. See, for example, any car manufacturer [...]. Any company that can do this, will do it, because they'd be stupid not to.
So it's in the seller's interest, and to hammer the point home you give a car analogy involving price gouging. Does this mean you agree with your parent that it's not out of a consideration of the consumers' interests it's done?
Because that's what it sounds like...
they make math "cool" and students actually want to go to class.
Keep in mind that it's at a university, not high school. The students are there because they chose to be there, and they're free to leave at any time they want to.
I'm not saying "don't make the subject matter fun": please do that. But say I were to hire you based on your understanding of game theory; would I rather have one who spent half a year on doing the math, do you think, or one who spent half a year on doing some of the math and another part just playing games?
Unless I want you as my StarCraft coach, you, as a student, will have better marketable value by doing the math.
And hey, for my Algorithmic Game Theory course, I presented a paper showing how employing a tit-for-tat strategy in bittorrent leads to a market equilibrium. So it's not like you're forced to do dull stuff.
[full disclosure about my biases: I think math is "cool" in its own right. Finite fields kick ass, Lagrange interpolation is awesome and solving linear recurrence relations using matrix exponentiation (yay, Fibonacci) is a really neat idea. Almost---but not quite entirely---unlike digital watches]
Summary: make the math as fun and cool as you want, but don't make it fun by taking out the math part of it.
Sounds like the public game server should be doing some hash-checking on client installations.
Okay. I reverse engineer the client to determine what kind of crazy dance I must perform to make the serve think I'm kosher. Then I cheat.
The server has been assured of what, exactly?
To make it painstakingly clear, the security is this:
There's a server and a bunch of clients. There are trust boundaries between everybody, meaning no one trusts another. Having the client tell the server "You can trust me" doesn't make the client trustworthy. Sending a hash value is a different way to "spell" the message "You can trust me": it's different data, but the same semantics.
What you need to do if you want real security is give everybody only the data they're allowed to get, and check their input for validity when you get it.
Yes, that's slow. There's a trade-off. But having clients send a hash value and then trusting the clients is simply security by obscurity, with the worst possible security scenario happening when the first line defense is breached.
Why take a game [...] and modify it so you are pretending to pretend to [...]
Let's say you can play the guitar and pretend you're a rock star.
Then you play GH and pretend you play the guitar, so you pretend that you pretend you're a rock star.
Why? Because people like it. Or, if you prefer: because it sells well, and it sells well because people like it.
World of Padman is a quite fun FPS where you shoot paint, among other things. Granted, it's in a cartoony setting in the first place, so the paint fits in, but I'm not convinced it wouldn't be fun to shoot pretend paint at pretend real people.
I guess trying it out is the only way to be sure. Why dis it prematurely? Or are you just pretending to dis it? ;)
No, much more likely we'd be gone, and in a few tens of millions of years
Let's just hope that whoever will be putting our bones in a museum will get a little sophisticated and won't think that digital watches are a pretty neat idea.
This patent seems pretty bound to fingers
Me and the missus want the next thing in social computing: multi-touch tongue interfaces ;)
I am confident that there are vastly more people who care whether Troi and Riker hook up than believe that WoW deserves a more rigorous treatment within popular entertainment.
Have you seen what they did in Make Love, not Warcraft?
Srzly, what kinda no0b ru if u only kill boarz?? And Stans dad playn, dat waz so laaaaame... And ZOMGF!! A sword ona USB stick, hu the fuck is retard'd enouhg to buy that??? LAME!!
(Ew. I feel so dirty now)
Most likely they will try to punish the current owner.
What, they're going to sue him for buying what he was offered?
but i dont play guiatr hero (cuz i can play guitar)
I play GH even though I also play guitar. It's a great game, you should give it a go when you find the time.
Ever played Speedball even though you can don a 10-kg armor and throw a red hot iron ball around? Ever played Counterstrike even though you have a gun? Ever played Starcraft even though you own a bicyc... I mean Science Vessel?
See?
Iron Maiden, Disturbed, Dead Kennedys, [...]
All of which are featured in GH3 [Number of the beast, Stricken, Holiday in Cambodia].
If it's a hard requirement that all the listed artists are featured in a single game, then yeah, you'll have to wait a while.
I've used cold hard cash
It has some drawbacks as well:
Strokes for fokes, horse for coarses... I think.
If the performance of the composite were equal or better, you might have me as a customer, but for now, I'll pick and choose.
Then I might interest you with a toaster running BSD.
Think about it: you put some toasts in, go back to your computer, then when the toast is ready your computer says [record a female friend of yours saying this:] "your toast is ready".
It's also a cheap DMZ-able web server in its own right: no need to buy a different box to host your blog out of security concerns.
[be warned though: if someone roots the box, they might run "sysctl dev.heater.enable=1; sysctl dev.heater.temp = F451" and set your house on fire.]
If Linux ends up overtaking [...] then it'll only be a matter of time before Linux undeniably becomes the next Windows.
Really? Why would that be?
Also, in which sense would Linux become the next Windows? Which salient properties of Windows would Linux acquire?
I think much of "what Linux is" is determined by two factors: POSIX standards and unix flavor, plus which distribution you use.
I don't think anyone would stray too far from the general POSIX-ness of Linux; what would be the point?
The distributions are more free to vary along other axes; mostly about how many and which choices they make for you.
[For example: I've heard that on Ubuntu, firefox talks to NetworkManager to find out whether the computer it's running on is on-line. Gee, that's nice except I don't use NetworkManager because it doesn't do automagic bonding.]
Since the distributions are free to be very different as long as they interoperate well, I don't think you can say that Linux will become anything specific; any particular distribution might, but the users will always be able to choose another distribution.
Unless of course your scenario is that most distributions die and one particular distributions gains most of the market share.
Most /.'ers are not rabid foaming at the mouth loonies and they don't have a history of relentlessly hounding people who disagree with them.
I think there's a woman who bought an Ubuntu box without knowing what the deal was who would agree.
I'm not saying that her view is "The Correct View", and I don't know how well (that's well, not much) her story has been reported on, but I just want to point out that not everybody agrees with your assertion.
And in your (and our) defense: we don't do the things I've heard SHAC being accused of in this thread. Far from it.
the web site or the test tubes
Who cares about test tubes? I want production-quality tubes for my website!
On a side note, that was filmed in the Microsoft Research building, and many people there run OSX.
O_o
And Microsoft doesn't go "Oh shit, people don't want to eat our own dogfood!"... ?
I think it goes to show that the non-windows OSes can interoperate well enough for any large corporation, even a highly windows-dominated one.
Apparently, it also means that nobody got fired for choosing non-Microsoft products.
Ain' dat interestin'... :)
Levan Polkka
OT: It's "Ievan", like in the girl's name, Ieva [in case it doesn't show up well with your font: with an ay, not an ell]
When clients see your design studio you don't want them to see cubicles and generic pcs and off-white walls.
God no, that would signal cost-effectiveness and reason-driven decision-making, which is always a bad trait in people you're going to pay money... :-?
No dominoes that'll fall like a house of cards?
Press 1 if you'd like you're information stolen,
Press 4 if you want to correct the grammar of this message.
*beep*
It's "your" (~ my), not "you're" (~ I'm).
*beep*
Thank you for your correction. Press 1 if you'd like ...
You post in this thread, and the moderation is undone :)
[Sorry to stay off-topic, please don't destroy my karma]
Not at all. Get your priorities in line, man. It is MORE important that people survive than that they're free.
"They may take our lives, but they'll never take our freedom".
Or in the South Park version:
"Gobble, gobble gobble gobble, gobble gobble gobble gobble, gobble, gobble gobble, GOBBLE!!!"
And I seem to recall a gang of rebels, oh-when-was-that-around-1776-I-think, who'd rather die at the hand of their oppressors than pay taxes if they didn't have seats in the government.
And I'm sure you can find other historic examples of people willing to die for freedom.
Just something to consider...
more technology porn sites.
Do you consider guitars a kind of technology? ;)
"Teletubbies in Lala-Land"
I just went over my stack of wii games.
They are:
Of these, MK:A is, IIRC, the least popular game (measured in shipped units and reviews). It's also my least favorite game.
SMG is clearly made to be enjoyable by kids, though that doesn't subtract much (if anything at all) (IMO) from the adult enjoyability factor.
But if it keeps the thinkofthechildren crowd busy, I'm all for it...
I don't know if I agree with that. Why do we need to tinker with the market if the market by itself makes kid-friendly games?
I also suspect that the more vocal parts of the TOTC crowd won't shut up until the whole world lives by that crowd's moral values, which isn't going to happen.