Amen. We don't have as large an infrastructure, but our 13,000 desktops and 2,000 Windows servers were patched in one night without issue, as usual. The Unix SAs, however, struggled for weeks...as usual. I often feel sorry for them, then I realize they bring it on themselves by refusing to enter the 20th century, let alone the 21st.
Dude, this would really piss me off if it wasn't so frickin funny! Come 2am/3am that morning, we had 3 AIX admins going, "ho-hum, everything changed properly", while 2 dozen Wintel admins where running around trying to figure out why a significant portion of the patched servers didn't change, and manually setting the time on systems that couldn't be patched.
All fanboism aside, I honestly can't understand using Windows for any type of server. Painting flames on the side of a 74 Pinto doesn't make it a race car, and slapping half-assed security and multi-user capability on a desktop OS doesn't make it a server OS.
So, which is it? Arrogance that makes you believe you can intelligently comment on an article you obviously didn't read, or stupidity/lack of comprehension in that you did read the article and made that comment anyway.
Lucky for you, many moderators see no more need to RTFA to intelligently moderate than most of those commenting see it as a requisite for intelligent comments.
Now mod me to hell, and the cycle will be complete...
i personally have no urge to buy their hardware, i build my own thank you, but i wouldnt mind giving OS X a go.
I feel the same way about "build my own", that's why I spent ~$300 on eBay getting parts to build myself a nice PowerMac G4-733. It runs just as well if not better than my P4/3.0GHz, which hasn't even been turned on in over a month.
While I certainly wouldn't dispute the consumer group studies, here is my experience with the Dyson.
I bought it because of the performance I had heard about, and yeah, because it looks cool. I had to replace a ~$200 Hoover that met an unfortunate end while loaned out. An immediate effect I noticed is that when shampooing the carpet right after a vacuuming with the Dyson, all I would get is dirty water. Before, when pre-vacuuming with the Hoover, not only was the water noticeably dirtier, but there would also be a good amount of sludge in the bottom. I had always attributed this to the water from the shampooer pulling up dirt that a vacuum couldn't, but the Dyson pulls up all the loose particles, leaving only the ground-in dirt in the carpet for the shampooer to get.
So maybe I got taken a little, but I got a cool looking vacuum that does a very good job for me, so I can't complain.
You know, i don't understand why people ran out to get Windows 95, perhaps you can explain that one to me?
Speaking for myself, I bought the whole 32-bit! / long-file names! / no more DOS! / ultra-modern! / no crashes! hype hook, line, and sinker. If I had thought about it for a minute, I would have realized that I had actually had all these things for years with the OS/2 I had been using up until then. The experience that followed shortly after the "upgrade" is best summed up by the line from the Apple ad, "You are coming to a sad realization..."
Then get ready to get on your knees and pucker-up because in a few years, games will no longer support XP. And no - you won't get a discount for Vista. Full-price for you bitch. =)
Lucky for me, I have several years' worth of unplayed WinXP games sitting on my shelves, not even counting my typical rotation of StarCrack / DOOM / Quake / UT. Hopefully by then, either OS X will have a wider game selection or I'll have grown out of them, but I'm not real hopeful on either of those...
Apple's OS X operating system performs better with each iteration, on the same hardware.
Here, here! I was just given a B&W PowerMac G3 350MHz. It had MacOS 8.6 and was quite slow, even after an update to 512MB. Just for the hell of it, I did a fresh install of Panther (10.3), and was very impressed with it's responsiveness, especially considering the hard drive is an antique 12GB running on a 33 MHz bus. I think once I buy a SATA controller card and put it in with a couple of 250GB's I have lying around, I will have a perfectly usable 8+ year old computer.
I want a machine with an original Pentium I processor (you know the one). Put that together with like 16MB of differently spec'd RAM (2-8s or 4-4s) on a mobo with capacitors circa 2001, and an IBM DeskStar 75GXP hard drive. Oh, and it should be running WinME. That's like a dream come true...
About the only things you're missing are the USB-attached crotch kicker and keyboard with random TASER capability.
The availability of porn is important. It was a key factor why VHS won the format war against BetaMax, and why DVDs caught on so quickly. This is an urban legend and is untrue. The fact is that the porn industry is approximately 10X smaller than either the porn industry or the anti-porn crusaders want you to believe.
Actually, it is true and has nothing to do with the size of the industry, but the willingness of the consumer to spend the extra money on new technology. People willing to shell out cash for a new way to be turned on have helped kick off the adoption of many technologies, such as VHS, the internet, home video recording equipment, as well as many others.
How about the negative affects of having 7000 distros? I'm not against having having more than 1 distro, but it seems to me like a lot of people put out distros just for the sake of it. How about instead of Kubuntu, we just stuck with Unbuntu, and got someone to maintain some sort of system for installing KDE. Why do we need a new distro. How about instead of KnoppyMyth, MythDora, and probably a few others i'm missing, somebody works on an easier way to install (and setup properly) MythTV on other distros. I would love to run MythTV, but it sucks that the only way to get it working is to use a distro that doesn't let you do anything else.
I think all the distro choices is one of the best things going for Linux right now. Imagine someone thinking, "I don't know much about linux, but I would really like to set up a good MythTV / fileserver / mailserver / firewall / whatever." Most likely there are several distros that do just that, fairly easily. Makes it easier to get started with linux, and gives the user a chance to poke around and maybe learn something.
This is why I consider Linux a very powerful, flexible tool, Windows a toy, and (fanboi warning!) OS X to be a sweet, sweet combination of both.
I could be mistaken, but I believe his joke was in reference to the use of the seemingly plural possessive "wifes'", although of course that would actually be "wives'".
I thought it was fairly witty, but I have been accused of having an unusual sense of humor before.
>Sony rootkit, Blaster, Melissa, Backdoor - any of these ring a bell?
All of which never infected me. So, your point IS?
Lucky you. I'm sure that makes the millions of users who where severely impacted with these through no fault of their own feel much better now.
>No offense, but the "market share = target size" argument just doesn't hold water.
>Windows will not only continue to be the largest target...
Hypocritical statements much??
Granted, bad wording on my part. I was trying to say that market share is not the only factor in attack distribution, not even the largest factor.
>Long gone are the days where you can blame the user for every issue they encounter on their pc.
Again, I must call utter bullshit. The user is always to blame.
Only if you are blaming them for using Windows in the first place.
If you want to use a Mac or Linux, by all means go for it, but don't spread lies that most people will believe for the very reason they have problems -- their idiots.
So I guess elitism is not just reserved for the linux fanbois. I am sure you are much more technically savvy than the average person, just like a lot of us here on Slashdot. But if you take 200 random computer illiterates, give half Win pc's and half Macs, show them the basics of using them and getting on the internet, then come back in six months, who do you think will have the highest percentage of still fully functioning computers?
Dude, you are taking this way personally. Is that you, Bill?
No offense, but the "market share = target size" argument just doesn't hold water. A lot more of the web is served on unix/linux than on Windows. Unix and its derivatives were designed from the get-go for multi-user with security being integral to the design. This is why Apple bit the bullet and completely re-wrote their insecure OS with a BSD/Mach/Darwin base. BTW, before that MacOS had a much smaller market share than they do now, yet it was plagued my several viruses.
Security was a much later afterthought for Windows, and without a major redesign these issues will continue to plague it. The NT kernel is a very good one, but until security becomes anywhere near as important as preserving vendor lockin, Windows will not only continue to be the largest target, but also by far the easiest one.
Long gone are the days where you can blame the user for every issue they encounter on their pc. Sony rootkit, Blaster, Melissa, Backdoor - any of these ring a bell?
I just figured I got that message because trying to use a logic-based device like a computer to explain a woman is like trying to use a slide rule to tell you the temperature.
It's more about you not going to ever porn site on the Internet looking for goat and midget porn
Well hell, man, why have an internet connection then?
Seriously though, I didn't really have issues because I avoided questionable sights, made sure my AV was always updated, kept my firewall updated and tuned, turned off html emails, etc, etc. My point is that I spent as much time maintaining my Windows pc as I spent using it. The time I spend maintaining my PowerBook and my linux server is very small compared to my time actually using them.
To say that Microsoft makes it "easier" to get malware is the most asinine comment I've ever heard. Always comes from someone who has no clue.
Sure Microsoft could concentrate harder on security, but the common sense truth always is Microsoft is the main target for all malware AND spam. If that alone doesn't clear things up for you and the brainwashed attitude most of you have, nothing ever will and you live a sad life, seeing things in life so blindly.
You cannot be serious. I was using MS products for 10 years before I ever touched a Linux system or a Mac. Now I have an RHCE certification and have used nothing but a linux file server and a PowerBook for everything else at home for over 2 years. Linux is not easy to learn on your own, and a Mac definitely takes some getting used to coming from Windows, but that pain is nothing compared to the daily "bailing a sinking boat" feeling I had fighting viruses/malware/etc with a Windows system.
I didn't know there were computers able to run Vista and Norton at the same time.
Vista: There not enough room on this pc for the both of us!
Norton: Is that a threat?
Vista: No, seriously, there not enough room. If this guy starts IE, the cpu's gonna puke!
So essential what you are saying is that a Microsoft OS turned AV into a way to create major profit, because Microsoft creates any and all that malware you encounter online and "allows" malware to "happen". Is that what you're saying? I seriously hope not, because that would make your comment yet another asinine incorrect misinformed comment which is the status quo of posters at Slashdot and the many other forums across the Internet.
Yeah, and don't blame the $5 hooker that gave you a dose, she didn't create or even ask for the herpes/crabs/AIDS, she just made it a lot easier for you to get it.
I'll buy new content when those ASS-WIPES in Hollyweird stop putting advertisements in front of the movies on DVDs! GODDAMN, I'm SICK of wading through bullshit ads for movies that stopped playing in theatres years ago when I watch an old DVD.
Just click the "Jump directly to movie" checkbox in ripit4me when your next Netflix shipment arrives! Fscking sweet!
Oh, wait... You aren't actually buying them, are you?
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Amen. We don't have as large an infrastructure, but our 13,000 desktops and 2,000 Windows servers were patched in one night without issue, as usual. The Unix SAs, however, struggled for weeks...as usual. I often feel sorry for them, then I realize they bring it on themselves by refusing to enter the 20th century, let alone the 21st.
Dude, this would really piss me off if it wasn't so frickin funny! Come 2am/3am that morning, we had 3 AIX admins going, "ho-hum, everything changed properly", while 2 dozen Wintel admins where running around trying to figure out why a significant portion of the patched servers didn't change, and manually setting the time on systems that couldn't be patched.
All fanboism aside, I honestly can't understand using Windows for any type of server. Painting flames on the side of a 74 Pinto doesn't make it a race car, and slapping half-assed security and multi-user capability on a desktop OS doesn't make it a server OS.
So, which is it? Arrogance that makes you believe you can intelligently comment on an article you obviously didn't read, or stupidity/lack of comprehension in that you did read the article and made that comment anyway.
Lucky for you, many moderators see no more need to RTFA to intelligently moderate than most of those commenting see it as a requisite for intelligent comments.
Now mod me to hell, and the cycle will be complete...
i personally have no urge to buy their hardware, i build my own thank you, but i wouldnt mind giving OS X a go.
I feel the same way about "build my own", that's why I spent ~$300 on eBay getting parts to build myself a nice PowerMac G4-733. It runs just as well if not better than my P4/3.0GHz, which hasn't even been turned on in over a month.
While I certainly wouldn't dispute the consumer group studies, here is my experience with the Dyson.
I bought it because of the performance I had heard about, and yeah, because it looks cool. I had to replace a ~$200 Hoover that met an unfortunate end while loaned out. An immediate effect I noticed is that when shampooing the carpet right after a vacuuming with the Dyson, all I would get is dirty water. Before, when pre-vacuuming with the Hoover, not only was the water noticeably dirtier, but there would also be a good amount of sludge in the bottom. I had always attributed this to the water from the shampooer pulling up dirt that a vacuum couldn't, but the Dyson pulls up all the loose particles, leaving only the ground-in dirt in the carpet for the shampooer to get.
So maybe I got taken a little, but I got a cool looking vacuum that does a very good job for me, so I can't complain.
You know, i don't understand why people ran out to get Windows 95, perhaps you can explain that one to me?
Speaking for myself, I bought the whole 32-bit! / long-file names! / no more DOS! / ultra-modern! / no crashes! hype hook, line, and sinker. If I had thought about it for a minute, I would have realized that I had actually had all these things for years with the OS/2 I had been using up until then. The experience that followed shortly after the "upgrade" is best summed up by the line from the Apple ad, "You are coming to a sad realization..."
Then get ready to get on your knees and pucker-up because in a few years, games will no longer support XP. And no - you won't get a discount for Vista. Full-price for you bitch. =)
Lucky for me, I have several years' worth of unplayed WinXP games sitting on my shelves, not even counting my typical rotation of StarCrack / DOOM / Quake / UT. Hopefully by then, either OS X will have a wider game selection or I'll have grown out of them, but I'm not real hopeful on either of those...
Apple's OS X operating system performs better with each iteration, on the same hardware.
Here, here! I was just given a B&W PowerMac G3 350MHz. It had MacOS 8.6 and was quite slow, even after an update to 512MB. Just for the hell of it, I did a fresh install of Panther (10.3), and was very impressed with it's responsiveness, especially considering the hard drive is an antique 12GB running on a 33 MHz bus. I think once I buy a SATA controller card and put it in with a couple of 250GB's I have lying around, I will have a perfectly usable 8+ year old computer.
"The devil can site scripture for his purpose."
Damn, I bet I would have gotten a +5 out of that if I hadn't misspelled "cite" like a doofus.
Sometimes it seems like a lawyer's primary skill is to lie by telling the truth.
As Shakespeare wrote in "The Merchant of Venice", "The devil can site scripture for his purpose."
I want a machine with an original Pentium I processor (you know the one). Put that together with like 16MB of differently spec'd RAM (2-8s or 4-4s) on a mobo with capacitors circa 2001, and an IBM DeskStar 75GXP hard drive. Oh, and it should be running WinME. That's like a dream come true...
About the only things you're missing are the USB-attached crotch kicker and keyboard with random TASER capability.
This is an urban legend and is untrue. The fact is that the porn industry is approximately 10X smaller than either the porn industry or the anti-porn crusaders want you to believe.
Actually, it is true and has nothing to do with the size of the industry, but the willingness of the consumer to spend the extra money on new technology. People willing to shell out cash for a new way to be turned on have helped kick off the adoption of many technologies, such as VHS, the internet, home video recording equipment, as well as many others.
I like to bike to and from work and since I ride in around 9:00 AM and return around 5:00 AM
Damn, dude, I think I'd find another job.
How about the negative affects of having 7000 distros? I'm not against having having more than 1 distro, but it seems to me like a lot of people put out distros just for the sake of it. How about instead of Kubuntu, we just stuck with Unbuntu, and got someone to maintain some sort of system for installing KDE. Why do we need a new distro. How about instead of KnoppyMyth, MythDora, and probably a few others i'm missing, somebody works on an easier way to install (and setup properly) MythTV on other distros. I would love to run MythTV, but it sucks that the only way to get it working is to use a distro that doesn't let you do anything else.
I think all the distro choices is one of the best things going for Linux right now. Imagine someone thinking, "I don't know much about linux, but I would really like to set up a good MythTV / fileserver / mailserver / firewall / whatever." Most likely there are several distros that do just that, fairly easily. Makes it easier to get started with linux, and gives the user a chance to poke around and maybe learn something.
This is why I consider Linux a very powerful, flexible tool, Windows a toy, and (fanboi warning!) OS X to be a sweet, sweet combination of both.
I have a love/hate relationship with windows
Me too! I love to hate it...
I could be mistaken, but I believe his joke was in reference to the use of the seemingly plural possessive "wifes'", although of course that would actually be "wives'".
I thought it was fairly witty, but I have been accused of having an unusual sense of humor before.
>Sony rootkit, Blaster, Melissa, Backdoor - any of these ring a bell?
All of which never infected me. So, your point IS?
Lucky you. I'm sure that makes the millions of users who where severely impacted with these through no fault of their own feel much better now.
>No offense, but the "market share = target size" argument just doesn't hold water. >Windows will not only continue to be the largest target...
Hypocritical statements much??
Granted, bad wording on my part. I was trying to say that market share is not the only factor in attack distribution, not even the largest factor.
>Long gone are the days where you can blame the user for every issue they encounter on their pc.
Again, I must call utter bullshit. The user is always to blame.
Only if you are blaming them for using Windows in the first place.
If you want to use a Mac or Linux, by all means go for it, but don't spread lies that most people will believe for the very reason they have problems -- their idiots.
So I guess elitism is not just reserved for the linux fanbois. I am sure you are much more technically savvy than the average person, just like a lot of us here on Slashdot. But if you take 200 random computer illiterates, give half Win pc's and half Macs, show them the basics of using them and getting on the internet, then come back in six months, who do you think will have the highest percentage of still fully functioning computers?
Dude, you are taking this way personally. Is that you, Bill?
No offense, but the "market share = target size" argument just doesn't hold water. A lot more of the web is served on unix/linux than on Windows. Unix and its derivatives were designed from the get-go for multi-user with security being integral to the design. This is why Apple bit the bullet and completely re-wrote their insecure OS with a BSD/Mach/Darwin base. BTW, before that MacOS had a much smaller market share than they do now, yet it was plagued my several viruses.
Security was a much later afterthought for Windows, and without a major redesign these issues will continue to plague it. The NT kernel is a very good one, but until security becomes anywhere near as important as preserving vendor lockin, Windows will not only continue to be the largest target, but also by far the easiest one.
Long gone are the days where you can blame the user for every issue they encounter on their pc. Sony rootkit, Blaster, Melissa, Backdoor - any of these ring a bell?
I just figured I got that message because trying to use a logic-based device like a computer to explain a woman is like trying to use a slide rule to tell you the temperature.
It's more about you not going to ever porn site on the Internet looking for goat and midget porn
Well hell, man, why have an internet connection then?
Seriously though, I didn't really have issues because I avoided questionable sights, made sure my AV was always updated, kept my firewall updated and tuned, turned off html emails, etc, etc. My point is that I spent as much time maintaining my Windows pc as I spent using it. The time I spend maintaining my PowerBook and my linux server is very small compared to my time actually using them.
To say that Microsoft makes it "easier" to get malware is the most asinine comment I've ever heard. Always comes from someone who has no clue.
Sure Microsoft could concentrate harder on security, but the common sense truth always is Microsoft is the main target for all malware AND spam. If that alone doesn't clear things up for you and the brainwashed attitude most of you have, nothing ever will and you live a sad life, seeing things in life so blindly.
You cannot be serious. I was using MS products for 10 years before I ever touched a Linux system or a Mac. Now I have an RHCE certification and have used nothing but a linux file server and a PowerBook for everything else at home for over 2 years. Linux is not easy to learn on your own, and a Mac definitely takes some getting used to coming from Windows, but that pain is nothing compared to the daily "bailing a sinking boat" feeling I had fighting viruses/malware/etc with a Windows system.
I didn't know there were computers able to run Vista and Norton at the same time.
Vista: There not enough room on this pc for the both of us!
Norton: Is that a threat?
Vista: No, seriously, there not enough room. If this guy starts IE, the cpu's gonna puke!
So essential what you are saying is that a Microsoft OS turned AV into a way to create major profit, because Microsoft creates any and all that malware you encounter online and "allows" malware to "happen". Is that what you're saying? I seriously hope not, because that would make your comment yet another asinine incorrect misinformed comment which is the status quo of posters at Slashdot and the many other forums across the Internet.
Yeah, and don't blame the $5 hooker that gave you a dose, she didn't create or even ask for the herpes/crabs/AIDS, she just made it a lot easier for you to get it.
man woman
"Segmentation fault - core dumped"
What does that mean?
She hasn't got to D yet.
Dude, I'm out of mod points so I'll just tell ya - funniest post I've read today!
I'll buy new content when those ASS-WIPES in Hollyweird stop putting advertisements in front of the movies on DVDs! GODDAMN, I'm SICK of wading through bullshit ads for movies that stopped playing in theatres years ago when I watch an old DVD.
Just click the "Jump directly to movie" checkbox in ripit4me when your next Netflix shipment arrives! Fscking sweet!
Oh, wait... You aren't actually buying them, are you?