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Microsoft Apologizes for Serving Malware

dark_15 writes "Microsoft has apologized for serving malware via its websites and Windows Live Messenger software. APC reader Jackie Murphy reported the problem: 'With Microsoft launching Vista along with their Defender software to protect users from viruses and spyware, it seems therefore to be an oxymoron that they have started to putting paid changing banner advertisements for malware, on the popular MSN groups servers.'"

171 comments

  1. Motive? by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 0, Troll

    To get users to buy Vista to get Windows Defender.

    1. Re:Motive? by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 2, Informative

      Which is free to download by the way.

    2. Re:Motive? by govtpiggy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Windows Defender is supported by XP and is a free download. You don't need to buy Vista to get or use it.

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    3. Re:Motive? by Mex · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're giving them too much credit. This is a case of plain old stupidity.

    4. Re:Motive? by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 1

      Can't blame me for mod whoring "interesting" :)

    5. Re:Motive? by petermgreen · · Score: 3, Informative

      and btw i've heared it works on 2K if you edit the installer file to make it let you.

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    6. Re:Motive? by Phisbut · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're giving them too much credit. This is a case of plain old stupidity.

      Plus, their apology and recommendations aren't any less stupid. From TFA : Microsoft recommends customers follow our Protect your PC guidance at www.microsoft.com/protect.

      Let's have a look at their guidance: Protect your computer in 4 steps :

      Step 1. Keep your firewall turned on
      A firewall is useless in this situation. The user manually downloaded and executed a piece of software.

      Step 2. Keep your operating system up-to-date
      See step 1.

      Step 3. Use updated antivirus software
      That's exactly what the user is trying to do. The message lets the user believe he needs to use this software as a protection against viruses, spyware and whatnot. Plus, it's on a Microsoft.com page. You gotta trust Microsoft.

      Step 4. Use updated antispyware technology
      See step 3.

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    7. Re:Motive? by db32 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Uhm...and why wouldn't they suggest that. Given that they are getting paid for the advertisement it stands to reason that every time a user get suckered in by it that MS makes money on the deal. Sure it makes them looks bad, but now they get to make their little apology speech, everything is A OK again, and they still got paid through the deal. People who like windows are few and far between these days, almost every average joe user I have dealt with despises them, but knows no other reasonable option. IT professionals are the only place that I have managed to find MS fanboys. I had a security "professional" tell me how MS ISA server is the best thing since sliced bread and everyone should be using it as their firewall and proxy solution (enterprise level). I was laughing so hard I could barely breath to ask about his opinion on Sidewinder SecureOS or Cisco Pix.

      Microsoft can do whatever wrong they want, because the populace believes there is no other choice to do what they need. The first OS that manages to be simple enough the average user can buy software off the shelf, install it, run it, and really have no flaming hoops of death to jump through, people will start leaving in droves. Linux isn't there yet, but it may get there some day. OSX I think may get there first if they solve the problem of the fear of learning a new interface and fears of software issues. Either way, once there is a viable competitor, I suspect the dynamic will shift very quickly.

      On a side note, can you imagine how far a virtual software store would go for the unfamiliar user would go for linux? Browse by needs like you would any other online vendor, pick what you want, and it installs click n run style through whatever you distro of choice's methods are (well at least major distros, getting all the fringe ones would make for a monumental undertaking, but fringe distros are typically for those in the know anyways). I have been using linux for years and I still find myself stumbling across amazing packages I didn't know existed.

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    8. Re:Motive? by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 0

      You forgot ...

      Step 5: Avoid Microsoft websites

    9. Re:Motive? by fmsecwind · · Score: 1

      step 6: recyle your pc and get a mac just like how vista intended

    10. Re:Motive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't blame me for mod whoring "interesting" :)

      I can laugh at you for calling yourself a whore. You filthy whore!
    11. Re:Motive? by Nimey · · Score: 1

      Step 1. Keep your firewall turned on


      But how do you sexually arouse a firewall? "Baby, you're *so* hot!"?
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  2. Say what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Started to putting?

    Does anyone proofread anything anymore?

    1. Re:Say what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm done with the fairway woods so I've started to putting.

    2. Re:Say what? by basic0 · · Score: 3, Funny

      What are you is talking about? Of course nto!

    3. Re:Say what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      someone set us up the bomb!

    4. Re:Say what? by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Clearly, they are apologizing for shipping any version of Windows!

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    5. Re:Say what? by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1
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  3. SystemDoctor 2006?? by Intron · · Score: 5, Funny

    What fool would be taken in by this?

    Personally, I'm downloading SystemDoctor 2007.

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    1. Re:SystemDoctor 2006?? by 0232793 · · Score: 1, Informative

      You would be surprised. I have cleaned this and variants off PCs recently. Thankfully Wikipedia comes to the rescue - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinFixer

    2. Re:SystemDoctor 2006?? by texaport · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "4 out of 5 dentists surveyed, recommend sugarless gum for patients who chew gum"
      really meant that 20% of dentists wanted you chewing the stuff that rots your teeth ...

      If you polled system utilities firms, I'm not sure whether they WANT you to buy Vista,
      or run an old rotten O/S that turned AV from a cottage industry to a major profit center.

    3. Re:SystemDoctor 2006?? by MS-06FZ · · Score: 1

      "4 out of 5 dentists surveyed, recommend sugarless gum for patients who chew gum"

      really meant that 20% of dentists wanted you chewing the stuff that rots your teeth ... No, it could also have meant that those 20% preferred to tell their patients "don't chew gum" - or "chew whatever gum you want, but brush your teeth afterwards" or "sugarless gum really doesn't have any significant benefit compared to normal gum." The phrase doesn't say anything about what that 1 out of 5 recommend with regard to gum - if anything at all. It just says that when dealing with a patient who chews gum, 4 out of 5 recommend sugarless.

      5 dentists isn't a very large sample group anyway...
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    4. Re:SystemDoctor 2006?? by chrismgtis · · Score: 1

      So essential what you are saying is that a Microsoft OS turned AV into a way to create major profit, because Microsoft creates any and all that malware you encounter online and "allows" malware to "happen". Is that what you're saying? I seriously hope not, because that would make your comment yet another asinine incorrect misinformed comment which is the status quo of posters at Slashdot and the many other forums across the Internet.

      That's right. Microsoft is behind all spam and malware. They fund it and everything as a way to create problems for themselves and make money with their, uh, free malware prevention (included with the OS or as an update). Yeaaaa that's it. Damn Microsoft.

    5. Re:SystemDoctor 2006?? by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Hate to be the bearer of wikiality, but AV software has been a major industry since well before XP. By December 1990 the market had matured to the point of nineteen separate antivirus products being on sale including Norton AntiVirus and ViruScan from McAfee.

      And don't worry, Vista is hardly the sugarless gum of operating systems.

    6. Re:SystemDoctor 2006?? by kestasjk · · Score: 1

      Recently gaim-2.0.0-beta5 started crashing constantly, so I checked out MSN Live Messenger. I couldn't believe that people actually use it for an extended period of time.

      There are these incredibly irritating ads that are always about what some celebrity has done (as if anyone cares) or some American football game. Then there's the window's skin, which is blue and shiny and stands out from everything else; if you thought GTK+ on Windows would look bad and out of place compared to something MS comes up with, you're in for a pleasant surprise.
      Also I looked and I don't think you can even give people aliases! All the people you had aliased to "Tom" become "No other feeling could compare, let your body take you there, just close your eye's if you dare!! United in Hardcore till we die!" or "+!/\/\|-0 - [lots of rainbows and emoticons here]"

      Luckily beta6 came out, and it seems stable so far, but tbh I would put up with the crashes anyway to not have to use Live Messenger.

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    7. Re:SystemDoctor 2006?? by BrokenHalo · · Score: 5, Funny

      5 dentists isn't a very large sample group anyway...

      OK, how about this:

      35% of all road accidents are caused by drunk drivers. Therefore, 65% must be caused by sober drivers. Therefore, you're safer driving drunk than sober. :-P

    8. Re:SystemDoctor 2006?? by MyOtherUIDis3digits · · Score: 1

      So essential what you are saying is that a Microsoft OS turned AV into a way to create major profit, because Microsoft creates any and all that malware you encounter online and "allows" malware to "happen". Is that what you're saying? I seriously hope not, because that would make your comment yet another asinine incorrect misinformed comment which is the status quo of posters at Slashdot and the many other forums across the Internet.

      Yeah, and don't blame the $5 hooker that gave you a dose, she didn't create or even ask for the herpes/crabs/AIDS, she just made it a lot easier for you to get it.

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    9. Re:SystemDoctor 2006?? by chrismgtis · · Score: 0

      To say that Microsoft makes it "easier" to get malware is the most asinine comment I've ever heard. Always comes from someone who has no clue.

      Sure Microsoft could concentrate harder on security, but the common sense truth always is Microsoft is the main target for all malware AND spam. If that alone doesn't clear things up for you and the brainwashed attitude most of you have, nothing ever will and you live a sad life, seeing things in life so blindly.

    10. Re:SystemDoctor 2006?? by MyOtherUIDis3digits · · Score: 1

      To say that Microsoft makes it "easier" to get malware is the most asinine comment I've ever heard. Always comes from someone who has no clue.

      Sure Microsoft could concentrate harder on security, but the common sense truth always is Microsoft is the main target for all malware AND spam. If that alone doesn't clear things up for you and the brainwashed attitude most of you have, nothing ever will and you live a sad life, seeing things in life so blindly.


      You cannot be serious. I was using MS products for 10 years before I ever touched a Linux system or a Mac. Now I have an RHCE certification and have used nothing but a linux file server and a PowerBook for everything else at home for over 2 years. Linux is not easy to learn on your own, and a Mac definitely takes some getting used to coming from Windows, but that pain is nothing compared to the daily "bailing a sinking boat" feeling I had fighting viruses/malware/etc with a Windows system.

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    11. Re:SystemDoctor 2006?? by chrismgtis · · Score: 0

      If you are/were having problems fighting viruses/malware/etc then it was your problem. I never, not once, ever have a problem with any of them. Ever. It's more about you not going to ever porn site on the Internet looking for goat and midget porn and not clicking every link that says "click here!!!!!! free!!!!".

      It's not Windows that was your problem. It was you. It is everyone else. I tried to explain this to my father, because I got sick and tired of being asked to fix his PC every two weeks and he would not listen, just as all of you will not listen. If I can use the Internet with no issues whatsoever for years and years then so can you. Fact. End of story.

    12. Re:SystemDoctor 2006?? by MyOtherUIDis3digits · · Score: 1

      It's more about you not going to ever porn site on the Internet looking for goat and midget porn

      Well hell, man, why have an internet connection then?

      Seriously though, I didn't really have issues because I avoided questionable sights, made sure my AV was always updated, kept my firewall updated and tuned, turned off html emails, etc, etc. My point is that I spent as much time maintaining my Windows pc as I spent using it. The time I spend maintaining my PowerBook and my linux server is very small compared to my time actually using them.

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    13. Re:SystemDoctor 2006?? by chrismgtis · · Score: 0

      That is because the a-holes that create the malware and viruses you get on a PC could care less about your Mac or Linux.

      You wanted to get away from the crime of the big city, so you moved to the country. There are benefits of living in the big city, so why did you move? You could have just put better locks on your door and used a security system, but instead, you chose to run away and hide in a secluded area that no one cares about. You had bad habits of venturing through dangerous neighborhoods to wave hello and shake hands with every badly dressed drug selling gangster-wannabe you saw on the street and eventually you got shot and ended up in the hospital for a week in ICU, yet you blame the mayor for bad crime instead of yourself for making obvious bad nonsense decisions. Had you just stayed the fark away from the bad areas and not decided to make conversation with obviously dangerous people, you would have been fine. Does this make sense? Of course not. Would anyone do such a thing? Not in their right minds. I normally never use AV software, I don't use a firewall, and I don't turn off HTML emails. Viewing emails never hurt anyone. Unless you have some pretty ignorant settings turned on or open every attachment you receive in emails when the bad ones are always obvious by looking at the filename. Sure, you could say I am a hypocrit for not using as much protection as you chose to, but the difference between myself and everyone with all these issues that are "Microsoft's fault" is that I don't do such obviously stupid things as opening executable email attachments or clicking Yes to every dialog box that appears in IE or FF. I've proven for years that you don't even need AV software if you just use common sense. I do whatever the hell I want online and don't have any problems. You could say "well you don't open attachments". Sure I do. I open plenty. The bad ones are obvious. Why would I want to open an attachment named "sexfree.exe"? As far as the firewall goes. Why don't I use one? I hate software firewalls. I prefer hardware (a Cisco PIX or at least a Linksys).

    14. Re:SystemDoctor 2006?? by MyOtherUIDis3digits · · Score: 1

      Dude, you are taking this way personally. Is that you, Bill?

      No offense, but the "market share = target size" argument just doesn't hold water. A lot more of the web is served on unix/linux than on Windows. Unix and its derivatives were designed from the get-go for multi-user with security being integral to the design. This is why Apple bit the bullet and completely re-wrote their insecure OS with a BSD/Mach/Darwin base. BTW, before that MacOS had a much smaller market share than they do now, yet it was plagued my several viruses.

      Security was a much later afterthought for Windows, and without a major redesign these issues will continue to plague it. The NT kernel is a very good one, but until security becomes anywhere near as important as preserving vendor lockin, Windows will not only continue to be the largest target, but also by far the easiest one.

      Long gone are the days where you can blame the user for every issue they encounter on their pc. Sony rootkit, Blaster, Melissa, Backdoor - any of these ring a bell?

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    15. Re:SystemDoctor 2006?? by chrismgtis · · Score: 0

      >Sony rootkit, Blaster, Melissa, Backdoor - any of these ring a bell?

      All of which never infected me. So, your point IS?

      >No offense, but the "market share = target size" argument just doesn't hold water.
      >Windows will not only continue to be the largest target...

      Hypocritical statements much??

      >Long gone are the days where you can blame the user for every issue they encounter on their pc.

      Again, I must call utter bullshit. The user is always to blame. The user is always the one that invites the problem into their system. I don't see you drinking the blood of an AIDS patient do I? So, why do every single one of you refuse to stop doing the things I described before... opening attachments named "freesex.exe", clicking yes on every dialog box on the web, among other asinine things.

      If you want to use a Mac or Linux, by all means go for it, but don't spread lies that most people will believe for the very reason they have problems -- their idiots.

    16. Re:SystemDoctor 2006?? by MyOtherUIDis3digits · · Score: 1

      >Sony rootkit, Blaster, Melissa, Backdoor - any of these ring a bell?

      All of which never infected me. So, your point IS?


      Lucky you. I'm sure that makes the millions of users who where severely impacted with these through no fault of their own feel much better now.

      >No offense, but the "market share = target size" argument just doesn't hold water. >Windows will not only continue to be the largest target...

      Hypocritical statements much??


      Granted, bad wording on my part. I was trying to say that market share is not the only factor in attack distribution, not even the largest factor.

      >Long gone are the days where you can blame the user for every issue they encounter on their pc.

      Again, I must call utter bullshit. The user is always to blame.


      Only if you are blaming them for using Windows in the first place.

      If you want to use a Mac or Linux, by all means go for it, but don't spread lies that most people will believe for the very reason they have problems -- their idiots.

      So I guess elitism is not just reserved for the linux fanbois. I am sure you are much more technically savvy than the average person, just like a lot of us here on Slashdot. But if you take 200 random computer illiterates, give half Win pc's and half Macs, show them the basics of using them and getting on the internet, then come back in six months, who do you think will have the highest percentage of still fully functioning computers?

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  4. Somebody else said it ... by Ralconte · · Score: 1

    ... on the FA comments section. Microsoft is going to kill Google someday. Some stooge at Microsoft knew this was a malware company, and they took the money and ran the advert anyway. Would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those meddling kids.

    1. Re:Somebody else said it ... by qzulla · · Score: 1

      And they won't get off my lawn!

      qz

  5. In Soviet Russia... by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ISR, Microsoft serves malware to ... uh... you serve malware to microsoft!

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    1. Re:In Soviet Russia... by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 1

      Microsoft serves malware Steve Ballmer for one welcomes his new malware overlords.
    2. Re:In Soviet Russia... by Aqua_boy17 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Just imagine a beowulf cluster of MS Malware. Oh, wait...I just described Vista.

      I kid, I kid.

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    3. Re:In Soviet Russia... by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Considering the amount of malware coming out of former Soviet Russia countries, that even holds true after the fall of the communism.

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    4. Re:In Soviet Russia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ISR, Microsoft serves malware

      It's done in an Interrupt Service Routine? Man, that's gonna be a bear to catch.

    5. Re:In Soviet Russia... by curecollector · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...Microsoft serves you to malware.

    6. Re:In Soviet Russia... by trianglman · · Score: 1

      EDIT:
      ISR, malware serves you to Microsoft.

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  6. Please choose one by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1, Redundant
    it seems therefore to be an oxymoron that they have started to putting paid changing banner advertisements for malware, on the popular MSN groups servers.'


    1) it seems therefore to be an oxymoron that they have started to put paid changing banner advertisements for malware, on the popular MSN groups servers.

    2) it seems therefore to be an oxymoron that they have started putting paid changing banner advertisements for malware, on the popular MSN groups servers.

    3) it seems therefore to be an oxymoron that they have stooped to putting paid changing banner advertisements for malware, on the popular MSN groups servers.

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    1. Re:Please choose one by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

      And what, exactly, does "paid changing banner advertisements" mean?
      Either way, it's not the /. editor this time, it's a direct cut n' paste from TFA.

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    2. Re:Please choose one by zlogic · · Score: 1

      wait, it's
      4) it seems therefore to be an oxy*HEAD EXPLODES*

    3. Re:Please choose one by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

      I know. Which is why it's so disconcerting.

      If it was the editors, we could chalk it up to laziness. But this is coming from a supposedly reputable source with paid editors and other bells and whistles.

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    4. Re:Please choose one by Damastus+the+WizLiz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Its not even an oxymoron. An oxymoron is two words put together with opposet meanings, like: Dodge Ram, Bitter Sweet, or Windows Stability. The correct term here would be hypocricy.

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    5. Re:Please choose one by RealSurreal · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe the article was dictated to a Windows machine.

      "Dear aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all."

    6. Re:Please choose one by Nimey · · Score: 2, Funny

      Contrast to a tautology, such as "Slashdot-reading virgin".

      Cor, I'm getting nasty in my old age.

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    7. Re:Please choose one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The correct term is Ironic

    8. Re:Please choose one by kinglink · · Score: 1

      I thought in this case it's business as usual for Micrsoft? Malware and software to stop malware? 98, essentially a patch to 95. The Xbox 360, so different from the Xbox it's like two 180s in a row!

    9. Re:Please choose one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      now i will be singing "smoooooooooth wombat" to the tune of smooth operator all day. i wish i had not read your post.

    10. Re:Please choose one by Darby · · Score: 2, Funny


      Cor, I'm getting nasty in my old age.


      You're that old and still a virgin? No wonder you're cranky ;-)

    11. Re:Please choose one by PhxBlue · · Score: 1

      What, no CowboyNeal option?

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    12. Re:Please choose one by duguk · · Score: 1

      > Its not even an oxymoron. An oxymoron is two words put together with opposet meanings, like: Dodge Ram, Bitter Sweet, or Windows Stability. Microsoft Works.

    13. Re:Please choose one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dammit, let me try that again:

      Microsoft Works.

      Its an old joke, I know, I know.

    14. Re:Please choose one by T-Bone_142 · · Score: 1

      Your forgetting: Microsoft Works

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    15. Re:Please choose one by hotdiggitydawg · · Score: 1

      Its not even an oxymoron. An oxymoron is two words put together with opposet meanings, like: Dodge Ram, Bitter Sweet, or Windows Stability. or Military Intelligence...
      or Bush Administration...
      or Microsoft Works...
      etc...
  7. No Conspiracy But Still Stupid by govtpiggy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    SystemDoctor2006 has made an appearance over the past few days, coming complete with pop-up windows to trap and then cause horrific damage to the computers of unaware users -- causing them to then rush out to purchase Microsoft Defender?
    The implication from the article that Microsoft is trying to infect your system so you "buy" the free to download Microsoft Defender is ridiculous.

    Regardless, this is a really stupid oversight on Microsoft's part. Reminds me of the p2plawsuits.com thing. Shouldn't a person knowledgeable about ads be approving these beforehand (at least in Microsoft's case)?
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    1. Re:No Conspiracy But Still Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot and the blogger are both squarely in the anti-Microsoft camp, so it is much easier to make the most evil possible interpretation of everything MS does.

      Microsoft has WGA? They are trying to screw us all. OLPC puts a kill daemon on every laptop? Brilliant idea!

      Even the headline is a giveaway. Microsoft isn't serving malware, just ads for it.

    2. Re:No Conspiracy But Still Stupid by dedazo · · Score: 1
      I find it amusing that this is being spinned this way here of all places - I remember CmdrTaco saying they "had no control whatsoever" over the advertisements that run on Slashdot - specifically the ones for Microsoft.

      I believe that was followed by the usual "deal with it, it's no big deal".

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    3. Re:No Conspiracy But Still Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you also think that google should be responsible for the stuff they advertise? They make tons of money off of fraudulent products/services advertising with them. Or do you hold microsoft and google to different standards like most slashdotters?

    4. Re:No Conspiracy But Still Stupid by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      That conspiracy has been flying low since the advent of AV software, there are still many people out there beliving that AV vendors write malware themselves to have a selling point.

      Fu.., if I wrote password stealing trojans, I'd grab the money and wouldn't be sitting here anymore! Even I can survive on 900k for a while!

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    5. Re:No Conspiracy But Still Stupid by Tanktalus · · Score: 1
    6. Re:No Conspiracy But Still Stupid by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Microsoft ads here are somewhat ironic, but aren't harmful to anyone, except maybe MS for wasting their money. All places that serve third-party ads, especially places that diss specific companies and services, usually end up with some mildly ironic ads at some point, thanks to keyword matching.

      That's not really the same thing as serving malware ads.

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    7. Re:No Conspiracy But Still Stupid by rtb61 · · Score: 1
      Oh fine, their trying to sell M$ Live one care(less). M$ has pulled a lot of anti customer stuff in the past, would they do it and see if they could get away with it and then if they get caught lie and blame the 'new guy', we are talking about M$, they would do it in a second.

      Is M$ going to be prosecuted, are any of the executives going to jail, so what was the downside for this whole smarmy marketing scheme. M$ has a whole extensive track record of pursuing the dollars first and then letting their un-warranties handle all the problems. What, you don't fucking think M$ run the best (not their own) security software on their own company computer networks, this software got served off those servers.

      Nobody should ever accept an apology from a multi billion dollar company that has no qualms about lying, cheating and stealing, make them pay, that is the only thing that will change their kind of anti-customer behavior.

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  8. Slashdot is the worst malware by microbee · · Score: 0, Troll

    Each time I click a link from it, the browser freezes.

    1. Re:Slashdot is the worst malware by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's much worse than that. Each time you click a link, somewhere, a server dies.

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    2. Re:Slashdot is the worst malware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My problem is different - every time I click a link, the page changes!

    3. Re:Slashdot is the worst malware by pilbender · · Score: 0

      What operating system are you running and what browser?

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    4. Re:Slashdot is the worst malware by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's a known Mozilla bug. Instead of crashing when clicking on a link, the browser attempts to open the URL listed in the href of the A tag, and will actually do so if the server is reachable and returns a page.

      This is technically correct according to HTTP and HTML specifications, but unexpected behavior with users used to IE's 'crash feature'. As a workaround, instead of clicking on a link, you can press Alt+F4 or click on the X in the upper-right corner of the browser window, which will close your browser window.

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  9. Just one question ... by spellraiser · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Even if this were true, how does proliferating malware on Windows hurt Google?

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    1. Re:Just one question ... by Ralconte · · Score: 1

      I suppose the original poster on the other thread was referring to a plug-in that exists in IE7, that allows you to Google search any hyperlink to see if it was fraudulent, by searching Google you can see if other people have commented on the link as fraudulent, or spyware. Thats how a link that was Microsoft approved got found out to be a spyware company. The connection is thin and shaky, at best, but it certainly flies in the face of Microsoft's claim of being security conscious.

  10. Another reason to rush out and buy Vista? by CodeShark · · Score: 1, Funny
    Nasty mal-ware -- pops up on my new computer system, tells me to buy yet another package I need to have an absolutely wonderfully great and safe experience while I am working... Oh wait.... I was referring to the MS-Office tools requiring an OS upgrade and visa versa, and none of the above are really secure at all because the marketing droids need another way to make money and security still takes second place....


    AKA microsoft doing business as usual, is it not? Which is why in my book Vista et. al will be classified as malware until proven differently a couple of years down the road.

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    1. Re:Another reason to rush out and buy Vista? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rats. I was hoping for a funny mod point and got a troll mod -1 instead....

      *sigh*

  11. System Doctor by mdboyd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Malware or Malpractice?

    1. Re:System Doctor by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe just malice.

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  12. We are also very sorry for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... building an "OS" that allows anyone else who wants to place malware on your computer the ability to do it without your knowledge. Please click "OK" if you would like to accept this Apoligy.

    1. Re:We are also very sorry for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Dear AC,

      In your next malware, can you send me the cancel button?

  13. Intriguing. by EveryNickIsTaken · · Score: 1

    With Microsoft recently purchasing a company that specializes in in-game advertising, I wonder how long it is until Malware gets a hold of my Xbox 360?

    1. Re:Intriguing. by HerrEkberg · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just stop injecting medkits you find lying around in some random alley and you will be fine.

  14. Poor site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good to see the Slashdot effect is alive and kicking.

  15. Windows.Vista malware by atomic777 · · Score: 5, Funny
    Name: Windows.Vista

    Risk Impact: High
    Systems Potentially Affected: All PCs

    Behavior:
    Windows.vista is malware that gobbles up all resources on a machine and renders it unusable. Suggested solution is to visit the following malware cleansing site : http://fedora.redhat.com/

    1. Re:Windows.Vista malware by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Funny

      Spreading behaviour: Disguises as an operating system and lures people into installing it.
      Known side effects: Steals personal data, installs backdoors, downloads code from the internet, has the ability to infect further files to prevent their use on different PCs.
      Protection: None
      Removal: Install a clean OS.

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    2. Re:Windows.Vista malware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Beware: fedora.redhat.com is not the proper cleaning site. The two proper cleaning sites are http://ubuntu.com/ and http://debian.org/.

    3. Re:Windows.Vista malware by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      Name: Windows.Vista
      Risk Impact: High
      Systems Potentially Affected: All PCs^H^H^H^H^H^H^HPC's with vast amounts of RAM

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    4. Re:Windows.Vista malware by mgiuca · · Score: 1

      Systems Potentially Affected: All PCs
      Fortunately this isn't true. Only a small percentage of machines are susceptible to this malicious attack. Everyone else is kindly asked to buy a brand new machine (all of which come with the virus pre-installed).
  16. Abridged and clarified by nuzak · · Score: 0

    "Microsoft has apologized for serving malware via ... Windows

    [insert pithy acknowledgement]

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    Done with slashdot, done with nerds, getting a life.
  17. In other News by ehaggis · · Score: 4, Funny

    Gator apologized for advertising Windows Vista. "Obviously this sort of malware slipped through our screening process, " they quipped.

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    One ring to bind them - should probably have more fiber and less rings in their diet.
  18. I AM THE GRAMMAR POLICE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they have started to putting paid changing banner advertisements for malware --- wtf?

    who writes this crap?

    -TGP

  19. Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by dpbsmith · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Symantec says "SystemDoctor is a Security Risk that may give exaggerated reports of threats on the computer. The program then prompts the user to purchase a registered version of the software in order to remove the reported threats."

    I completed the unpleasant task of helping my wife get started with a new HP computer, preloaded with Windows XP Home and a plethora of shovelware. We spent hours watching dialogs pop up suggesting that we download this, register that, and update the other.

    Practically the first thing that happened was that Norton Internet Security popped up a huge scary dialog warning us that we hadn't turned it on. The next thing was a huge scary dialog saying that it had found a security risk in her system. The problem it had found was that it apparently ships with no virus definitions at all, and required about twenty minutes over broadband to download and install some seventeen thousand of them. The next thing was a huge scary dialog saying that we needed to register with Symantec (presumably so that it can give us a huge scary warning at the end of the free 60-day trial).

    The next thing was a huge scary warning that we needed to turn off Windows Firewall, which to Microsoft's credit is apparently preinstalled turned on and functioning, so that we could use Norton Internet Security's firewall instead.

    The next thing was a huge scary warning that we had attempted to change Internet Explorer's home page from an AOL signup offer to my wife's existing "my Yahoo" page.

    Every time she launched an application a little yellow flag would rise up from the taskbar to tell her that Norton Internet Security noticed that she had launched an application.

    And from time to time it puts up a message box with no apparent purpose other than to tell her that Norton Internet Security is running properly. "Exaggerated reports of threats on the computer?" "Prompts the user to purchase a registered version of the software in order to remove the reported threats?" To be fair, although it did prompt her to register, I don't believe it will prompt her for a purchase until the end of the sixty days.

    But the thing is the most intrusive, obnoxious, offensive piece of crap I've ever seen. It makes Clippy look adorable by comparison.

    Presumably she needs more than just an antivirus program (ClamAV). If anyone has any recommendations on a well-behaved, friendly security program for Windows XP that isn't in your face all the time, I'd love to hear it.

    P. S. The reason we bought a machine with XP is that my wife has been stalling on a much-needed upgrade for about three years now, and what she read about Vista was what convinced her that we needed to run out immediately while we could still get a machine preloaded with XP. Do you think she is being included in these statistics that show that Vista has boosted PC sales...

    1. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How long into that process before you thought to yourself, "D'oh! I should'a bought a Mac!"

    2. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by Sefert · · Score: 3, Informative
      The corporate edition of Symantec AV is nice and quiet. I stay away from any 'security packages' type of products because they generally include total crap that is just alarmist and irritating. I'd take a hot poker in the hand before I'd have Norton Internet Security on my system. McAfee's is just as bad (in fact, often worse, as some web browsing problems still exist even when the a/v and firewall are off).

      I'm also a big fan of Kaspersky antivirus. It seems to only call your attention to something when it really needs it, and has intelligent things to say, rather than seeming to act like it's trying to justify being there. Stick to just A/V (that picks up spyware like Kaspersky does) and a little hardware firewall - it'll generally do the trick very nicely.

    3. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AvastAv do the job for me and it does it freely :)

    4. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by PitaBred · · Score: 2, Informative

      I just had to remove that Norton shit from my aunt's computer because it would take 30-60 seconds to scan any MS Office document that was opened, when it was opened. Doesn't matter if it just scanned it, that it was on the local machine, and it didn't seem to even try to cache definitions in memory or anything. It just got the Word window border open, and "Scanning for viruses..." in the status bar for the next minute. I replaced it with the free version of AVG, and it started behaving like the brand new computer it was.

      For pretty decent security, I just recommend Firefox, AVG, and a bit of education on safe browsing habits, and which software is more likely to be safe to download/install, etc.

    5. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by Alari · · Score: 1, Informative

      If anyone has any recommendations on a well-behaved, friendly security program for Windows XP that isn't in your face all the time, I'd love to hear it.

      AVG anti-virus is great. http://free.grisoft.com/

      It's free, it works, and it doesn't pop up stupid stuff all the time. Unless you have a virus, the only pop-up you'll see is the AVG auto-updater once a day, which automatically goes away after 30 seconds once it's finished updating AVG (or if you click the OK button.)

      For a firewall, you can use the windows firewall, it works fine. It'll pop up occasionally to ask about this or that program, but it's not bothersome.

      For ad-ware or malware, use Ad-aware ( http://www.lavasoftusa.com/ ) and Spybot ( http://www.safer-networking.org/ ) Don't use Spybot's Teatimer thing though, it's horribly annoying and the dialog box is mis-configured so that the buttons are difficult to read. These are manual scanners, you have to run them yourself to check for spyware.

      windows defender is supposed to be okay, though I don't use it so I can't comment too much, just that I've heard it's fairly annoying, like Spybot's Teatimer.

      That should cover you pretty well security-wise. This doesn't mean you can freely download things like "buckets'o'pr0n.exe" and run them without thinking about it, just that your system will be reasonably protected from the average sort of junk software or websites that you may encounter.

      Most of the spyware and malware can be stopped in the first place by using a browser other than ie. There have been a lot of security reports about Firefox, but it's still pretty good. So is Opera. Both are free.

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    6. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by Zonk+(troll) · · Score: 1

      Presumably she needs more than just an antivirus program (ClamAV). If anyone has any recommendations on a well-behaved, friendly security program for Windows XP that isn't in your face all the time, I'd love to hear it. Don't rely on ClamAV for a system. For email it does a good job, but I've run it on infected machines and it missed nearly every virus that BitDefender, F-Prot, and AVG detected.

      What I'd recommend is running AVG (free for home use) and BitDefender (free on demand scanner). Schedule a full BitDefender scan weekly (or daily) and use AVG's on demand scanner and do scheduled scans with it.

      You should also run spybot. It can be completely controlled through the command line which makes it easy to schedule using cron (w/ cygwin) or scheduled tasks.

      If you want something other than the built in firewall, try something like ZoneAlarm, but disable most of it's warnings (it can make UAC seem tame). It's free for home use.
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    7. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by McDutchie · · Score: 1

      You've had good responses but none so far have mentioned the most effective security measure you can take on a Windows XP system: don't let the user run under an Administrator account! Make an additional "restricted" user account for her under which she does the normal work, logging in to the admin one only as needed.

      Programs that seem to require admin rights to run can often be beat into submission by adjusting the Access Control Lists of the files it needs to write to, or by using "Run As" (which I think is unfortunately only available on XP Pro systems).

    8. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by Kouroth · · Score: 1

      I have McAfee Online VS scanner at home. Its cheep and isn't too annoying. The newest version is a bit more annoying than the previous ones but it still isn't bad. I hate Norton's AV software. I've never had anything but problems with it. They have some nice tools, don't get me wrong but their AV package sucks. There are some fee options available too though you might have to put up with some annoying things with those.

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    9. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by Brickwall · · Score: 1
      Yes, on a friend's recommendation, I removed Symantec/Norton from my home system and installed AVG. Seems to work fine. However, when I tried to uninstall Symantec, I used their "uninstaller", but still found some of their apps running in background. So I went to the command prompt, and tried "del *.*" in the Symantec subdirectory. Guess what? Even though I'm running as admin, there are a couple of files it will not let me delete. I've tried killing every process through the task manager, but I can't get theirs to quit.

      So now, every time I boot the system, I get a dialog box from Symantec telling me some of their software is missing or damaged, and "click here to fix this problem".

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      What was once true, is no longer so
    10. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by Bekro · · Score: 1

      Definately NOD32. Put it on silent mode and it'll only complain if it finds a huge malware infestation.
      Or if your feeling cheap, AVG, Avast! or ClamAV.

    11. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by radish · · Score: 1

      I use NOD32, it's very fast, has a reasonably small footprint and is very discreet. It even has "silent mode" where it won't show itself unless it _really_ needs you to make a decision (like "I found a virus - clean or delete?"). I have it setup on all our machines with silent mode on my GF's, and have it email me with any notifications. Works very well and she loves it compared to Mcaffee which used to bug her every day just to tell her it had downloaded an update.

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    12. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      ClamWin doesn't scan files in real-time as they come in; you can set it to run a full scan every night or something, but that's not really ideal.

      My personal recommendation, which others will certainly disagree with, is to run Norton AntiVirus without any of the other Symantec/Norton crap. Google makes a 6-month trial of NAV available as part of Google Pack. I suggest that after your current 6-month trial expires, you uninstall all your Symantec/Norton software, re-enable the Windows Firewall, and use Google Pack to install Norton AntiVirus. After 6 months of that, if you're satisfied with the results, you can choose to either uninstall it and reinstall it for another 6-month trial period, pay Symantec to renew it, or (the best option) go out and buy NAV 2007 (just NAV, not SystemWorks or Internet Security or anything else, even if they try to give you the rest for free).

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      $x='S24;r)>63/* h@<5+oZ)32"5cz';$me='phroggy'x$];
      $x=~y+ -xz+\0-Tx+;print$_^chop$me for split'',$x;
    13. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      http://www.softwarepatch.com/tips/howto-delete-xp. html That should solve it :) It uses a standard Windows mechanism, but gives you access to it.

    14. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      Actually, ignore the above. I didn't realize it was pay-for crapware. Try the sysinternals utilities:

      http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/File AndDisk/pendmoves.mspx

    15. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty impressed with NOD32. It's so good that I can work in my DAW software without it causing audio drop-outs or additional latency. I would normally turn off any AV software when doing music, but I've forgotten a few times and NOD32 has stayed out of my way.

      For all I know, however, it's doing absolutely nothing to prevent viruses, but for now I'll trust their hype. I figure any program that's this polite is worth my money.

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    16. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by StikyPad · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've found Kaspersky to be a resource hog. My personal favorite is NOD32. The interface takes some getting used to, but it works well, has all the features you'd expect without trying to sell you on a firewall/"internet security" suite. It scores among the best in hit % (typically 2nd, sometimest 1st), and it was the fastest scanner in several tests. They also have "bulk" discounts, which is great if you're running more than one system.

      Recent review here and when searching for reviews just now (never seen a bad one), I just discovered it's user rating blows away that of Kaspersky.. rightly so, IMHO. This is a nerd's AV if ever there was one.

    17. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by gardyloo · · Score: 2, Informative

      I would second the recommendation of Kaspersky (if you want to pay for an all-in-one system scanner and software firewall). If you want to go for the free stuff, Avast and AVG have both proven to be fine for me, along with a ZoneAlarm or Comodo firewall.

            The other poster in this thread level said that Kaspersky was a resource hog. I've never found that (except that big downloads on broadband can be made slower by Kaspersky doing its scanning during the download). Plus, its definitions are updated every couple of hours.

                I used to use Panda as an all-in-one program, and it worked fine, but it ate up far too much of my RAM.

    18. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      SymNRT (download) will remove all the remaining bits and pieces of whatever Symantec/Norton crap is still there.

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      $x='S24;r)>63/* h@<5+oZ)32"5cz';$me='phroggy'x$];
      $x=~y+ -xz+\0-Tx+;print$_^chop$me for split'',$x;
    19. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by svunt · · Score: 1
      I had exactly the same experience buying a notebook for a non-techy friend. It was a pre-configured HP, and a week later he called me to tell me that he 'had a virus, or some ad program' which kept giving him 'popups and windows that interrupt me all the time' and wanted me to clean the infection. That infection was indeed Norton Internet Security.

      Amazing how different their corporate versions are to their 'clueless sucker' versions.

    20. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by sporkme · · Score: 2, Informative

      Symantec AV often lags behind in protection and definitions. The worst recent example that comes to mind is the spread of hacktool.rootkit (aka about a million things), which was implemented in countless malware releases. Symantec was AFAIK the only mainstream antivirus program that missed detecting it as it was installed. My flavors of choice are:
      AVG Free antivirus
      LavaSoft Adaware
      and Spybot Search and Destroy.

      Very little can get by this trifecta. When I suspect that a machine has received an infection that these three can't remove, I research the individual piece of malware on sites like CastleCops or I just Google it by process name.

      I also keep archives of RootKitRevealer, peperfix.exe and HijackThis.

    21. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by Dan_Bercell · · Score: 1

      Windows 2000 has the RunAs command. The problem is that Microsoft doesnt or didnt prompt using this feature. It is mainly built for and used by Administrators.

    22. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      To be fair, although it did prompt her to register, I don't believe it will prompt her for a purchase until the end of the sixty days.

      In my admittedly (and blessedly) limited experience, it'll start nagging her to purchase from 2-4 weeks before the end of the period. That's based on my parents' installation of the full version, which started nagging from around the 28 days to go mark.

      Presumably she needs more than just an antivirus program (ClamAV). If anyone has any recommendations on a well-behaved, friendly security program for Windows XP that isn't in your face all the time, I'd love to hear it.

      I use Windows Defender, the built-in firewall, a hardware firewall on my modem/router, and AVG from grisoft. Personally I wouldn't touch one of those integrated, all-in-one security suites with a bargepole, although I know plenty of people (including my ex-programmer boss) do.

    23. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by Walter+Carver · · Score: 1

      For a a firewall: Kerio personal or ZoneAlarm personal, they are both free. I don't know which one does better job. I use ZoneAlarm, a friend uses Kerio. Both of us never had any problems. Do not buy the ZoneAlarm security suite, it doesn't worth the while.

      For an anti-virus: AOL Active Virus Shield. The name sounds very child-ish but it's in fact Kaspersky rebranded. It is free of charge (AOL makes good adverticement like this). I remind you that Kaspersky has been on the top 3 of the list for some time now, and is usually #1 on tests. This is a quite heavy anti-virus. Other than this, there is AVG and Anti-Vir.

    24. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by ghyd · · Score: 1

      I didn't know there were computers able to run Vista and Norton at the same time.

    25. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by compro01 · · Score: 1

      Even though I'm running as admin, there are a couple of files it will not let me delete

      boot to safe mode command prompt? or boot off the windows CD and use the recovery console?

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    26. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by mgiuca · · Score: 1

      It's all true. Norton Internet Security is the most annoying malware I've yet seen on my computer. I really need to get a popup blocker to block its annoying yellow popups.

      The most frustrating thing is every day I turn on my Windows machine (fortunately that isn't often), Norton cheerfully pops up to tell me "I am not protected from 1 rapidly spreading threat" (the implication being that I need to re-subscribe, since my subscription wore off). It tells me this every freaking day. What is this threat?

      It's a rapidly-spreading email attachment. It goes by any number of names, all ending in ".exe". If I were to accidentally download this attachment, save it to my hard drive, and open the file, it could take control of my computer. Therefore I must be continually reminded each day until I buy a new version of Norton to help protect me from doing something like that.

      Give me a break.

    27. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by darkonc · · Score: 1
      boot with knoppix (or any other live Linux CD that allows NTFS writes), then mount your windows partition and delete the files.

      Then, (if you're really brave, or just stupid), boot back into Windows.

      At that point You may also have to delete references to symantec from the registry. (but hopefully not)

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      Sometimes boldness is in fashion. Sometimes only the brave will be bold.
    28. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by digitalchinky · · Score: 1

      I'm all for spybot search and destroy, but why on earth do they not fix their simple gui button placement problem in teatimer. I know it's easy to sort out with reshack, though seriously, I've made my share of donations, why has it remained broken for years now?

    29. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by sporkme · · Score: 1

      My guess: so elitists like us can complain. I hear ya, brother. AVG is ugly as a gorilla, too.
      I gladly trade beauty for quality.

    30. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by MK_CSGuy · · Score: 1

      Nobody here mentioned AntiVir. It's free (for personal use) and I've also seen it touted on slashdot in the past. I use it on all the computers in home and it's fast, not annoying* (see auto-update ad) and efficient.
      Caveats:
      * No email scanning in free version.
      * If auto-update is turned on (as it should be!) when it starts the updating process it launches an ad pop-up touting their non-free version and products.b

    31. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by MyOtherUIDis3digits · · Score: 1

      I didn't know there were computers able to run Vista and Norton at the same time.

      Vista: There not enough room on this pc for the both of us!
      Norton: Is that a threat?
      Vista: No, seriously, there not enough room. If this guy starts IE, the cpu's gonna puke!

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    32. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by Ansoni-San · · Score: 1

      AVG is alright as long as you're not on an x64 version of Windows. On x64 if you install it right away you won't notice...but try turning the on-access scanning off, the amount your system speeds up is amazing. I never thought I'd say it but AVG definitely isn't for me (all of my systems (whether they run Windows or Linux) are x64 and I rarely boot into 32-bit Windows).

    33. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by aurinko · · Score: 1

      I have saved several computers from being bugged down and annoyed to yell with Norton, and after much investigation, I settled on NOD32 - whereas it is 'only' as good as norton at virusdetection, it takes in wilds at 100%, tested the fastest on vista too, and almost invisible, sometimes i find myself check my iconbar to see its still around...

  20. Tagging data missing? by Sefert · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Along with the useless 'haha' tag, doesn't some wank normally add a 'defectivebydesign' tag whenever Microsoft is mentioned?

    Too bad there's no flamebait moderation option for the twits who apply pointless tags.

    1. Re:Tagging data missing? by smash · · Score: 1
      Given the number of issues in Microsoft's operating systems, and basic single-user-hacked-to-multiple-user/insecure-by-de fault design philosphy, the "defectivebydesign" tag applies most of the time Microsoft are mentioned. And no, i'm not the one tagging it.

      If you can show me a single microsoft software product that was released without showstopping MAJOR bugs being revealed within the first 6 months (ie, it was defective by design), I'd be very interested to see what you come up with.

      --
      I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
  21. wow ad dept people are dumb by atarione · · Score: 1

    this is news??? is it really that shocking that the advertising people would miss something like this?

    btw... does anyone know if Windows Defender would have blocked this unfortunate mistake from affecting a users computer?

    the TFA dosn't seem to say?... and now /. has stopped them serving pages anyway it appears =p

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    1. Re:wow ad dept people are dumb by Nimey · · Score: 1

      I think one of my users got bit by this on 14 Feb, and no, Defender didn't stop it.

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      E pluribus sanguinem
  22. UserFriendly by VEGETA_GT · · Score: 4, Funny

    Reminds me of a UserFriendly comic

    http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20050130

  23. Standard Operating Procedure by mpapet · · Score: 1

    The current method of influencing voters/consumers when it comes to issues that slow the acceptance of an public servant/company is to make a public apology to effectively put the issue behind them.

    It's important to note that in most cases, it doesn't change anything.

    [shrugs]

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  24. Message to managers by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Especially to those who always claim "You have to buy from a big company, that's better than free software where there is no company that you can hold responsible".

    Here's what you get: "Whoopsie. Sorry, our bad"

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  25. Oxymoron? by Psx29 · · Score: 1
    Oxymoron-noun conjoining contradictory terms (as in 'deafening silence')

    I think the right word is ironic...

    1. Re:Oxymoron? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hmmm I prefer "regular moron"

  26. Alternative setup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is true, in fact after 60 days if you perform a scan even the clean result window will have a big red cross on it!

    Uninstall and put Antivir (http://www.avira.com/en/pages/index.php) (you can change the update reminders in preferences) and Zonealarm (http://www.zonelabs.com/) on instead, for FREE!

    You can also use AdAware (http://www.lavasoft.com/products/ad-aware_se_pers onal.php) and Spybot Search and destroy (http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/index .html), to clean up spyware.

    PS: DONT USE INTERNET EXPLORER (dont know about v7 though?) use firefox instead http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/

  27. Sensationalist? by DavidD_CA · · Score: 1

    More like, "Microsoft appologizes because a spyware company bought advertising from them, violating their policy, and the ad was shown to people in Messenger until it was reported and removed.".

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    1. Re:Sensationalist? by RelaxedTension · · Score: 1

      Sensationalist yes, but no more than for the other sites that have done the same thing. It shows that the company that has harped on how good their new security is has a long way to go. And, on a more basic level, also shows that they just don't "get it" yet.

    2. Re:Sensationalist? by MLease · · Score: 1

      I'm no fan of Microsoft, but this is a very good point. They are selling advertising, and they did what they needed to do when the problem caused by this particular advertiser came to their attention. They can't be expected to avoid every possible problem in advance.

      -Mike

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    3. Re:Sensationalist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Microsoft appologizes because a spyware company bought advertising from them, violating their policy, and the ad was shown to people in Messenger until it was reported and removed."

      How is this different from selling features to the RIAA/MPAA without user consent?

    4. Re:Sensationalist? by dasher68 · · Score: 1

      THANK YOU! Please someone, before posting on this board, learn wht DavidD knows already...the definition of Malware! Malware (for 'malicious software') is any program or file that is harmful to a computer user. Advertisement is NOT malware.

    5. Re:Sensationalist? by DavidD_CA · · Score: 1

      Can we really expect Microsoft's advertising division to have anything to do with their OS Security division?

      While a company did get through the cracks here, this is not a "security violation" that we typically ream Microsoft for.

      Keep in mind that I can just as easily go to Google and search for "remove spyware" and be served Sponsored Links that will proport to remove my spyware for me, while actually installing more. Why aren't we bashing Google for this?

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    6. Re:Sensationalist? by coyotecult · · Score: 1

      Advertisements aren't malware in themselves, but unsavory advertisers will use them to install malware. And Errorsafe/WinFixer IS malware. If you read the the wikipedia article on this software, you'd realize that the program that installs itself without permission, degrades computer performance, bugs the user with popups of lies and harasses them to make a useless purchase. On top of that, it's a bitch to uninstall. If that's not a malicious piece of software, I don't know what is.

      And I think that networks that serve advertising should be a little bit more accountable for ads, like Flash-based ones, that can exploit security holes to install malware. There should be better screening--LiveJournal got hit by this same trick last year. So Microsoft SHOULD apologize for letting this kind of cruft through; they shouldn't just trust their advertisers to be honest about whether or not their ads follow their policy or not.

  28. Linguo says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    "With Microsoft launching Vista along with their Defender software to protect users from viruses and spyware, it seems therefore to be an oxymoron that they have started to putting paid changing banner advertisements for malware, on the popular MSN groups servers."

    Linguo: Error! Error! Bad grammar overload! System shutdown imminent!

  29. I don't run Microsoft Operating systems but... by JustNiz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    can anyone tell me if their ad blocking software prevents the user from blocking ads on Microsoft sites?

    1. Re:I don't run Microsoft Operating systems but... by Software · · Score: 1
      What ad-blocking software from Microsoft? As far as Google knows, Microsoft offers no such thing:

      As for ad blocking, it's something we're mulling over but it's not natively in IE7. I'm sure there are add-ins you can get for IE that will block ads.

      I use EverythingIsn't hosts file to block ads, plus AdBlock in Firefox.

    2. Re:I don't run Microsoft Operating systems but... by qzulla · · Score: 1

      I use FF and Adblock. I don't like the hosts file thing above. Why should I have to enable my web server to block ads?

      qz

    3. Re:I don't run Microsoft Operating systems but... by Virak · · Score: 1

      You don't.

  30. Is a good start... by gmuslera · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hope soon we will see the "Microsoft Apologizes for Selling Malware" headline.

  31. I wasn't aware... by Lord+Hobie · · Score: 1

    MSN groups are popular?

  32. Gee by BCW2 · · Score: 1, Funny

    I thought everything from M$ after Win 3.11 was malware!

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    1. Re:Gee by peektwice · · Score: 1

      You didn't think Win 3.11 was malware?

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    2. Re:Gee by BCW2 · · Score: 1

      Once I learned how to tweek it I liked it, ran it on a 386 and a 486. Now 3.0 was such a joke that it couldn't be malware. 2k is still the best that M$ has ever done so my original post was off a touch.

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  33. Putting Paid by Frequency+Domain · · Score: 1

    Putting paid is a British/Australian idiom for disrupting somebody's plans or intentions.

    1. Re:Putting Paid by treeves · · Score: 1

      Interesting tidbit, but I don't think it explains the poorly worded sentence in the summary. If I'm wrong, please explain.

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  34. Re: defectivebydesign by giafly · · Score: 1

    Along with the useless 'haha' tag, doesn't some wank normally add a 'defectivebydesign' tag whenever Microsoft is mentioned?
    The 'defectivebydesign' tag is for DRM, because it is. Unfortunately, unlike Vista itself the malware wasn't written by Microsoft, so it's effectivebydesign.
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  35. THANKS for the helpful replies. by dpbsmith · · Score: 1

    One last question.

    What are the chances that Norton Internet Security will uninstall itself gracefully via the Add/Remove Programs control panel? (I certainly plan to set a System Restore checkpoint before trying it!)

    1. Re:THANKS for the helpful replies. by iago-vL · · Score: 1
      What are the chances that Norton Internet Security will uninstall itself gracefully via the Add/Remove Programs control panel? (I certainly plan to set a System Restore checkpoint before trying it!)

      I've uninstalled it a couple times from fresh systems, and it's always worked fine. I've only tried removing it from an old system once, and that didn't work out too well.

    2. Re:THANKS for the helpful replies. by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      One last question.

      What are the chances that Norton Internet Security will uninstall itself gracefully via the Add/Remove Programs control panel? (I certainly plan to set a System Restore checkpoint before trying it!) Try that first, but if it doesn't work, SymNRT (download) is the answer.
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    3. Re:THANKS for the helpful replies. by thejynxed · · Score: 2, Informative

      It doesn't play nice with uninstallation at all.

      Even after uninstalling, you need to download and use a special cleaning tool to get rid of all of the files and registry entries that piece of crap software leaves behind.

      http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/tsgeninfo.nsf /docid/2005033108162039/ (Skip all of the instructions for reinstallation of Norton, just run the tool.)

      Alternatively, get it here:
      http://www.majorgeeks.com/Norton_Removal_Tool_SymN RT_d4749.html

      Uninstalling Norton has been known to hose systems, so be careful (make backups, etc) before attempting to uninstall. And make sure you run the tool :)

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  36. yes, but... by Mr+44 · · Score: 1
    1. Re:yes, but... by smash · · Score: 1

      Who says it's referring to that? Defectivebydesign can mean that, or it can mean that the products they make are actually defective, by design :)

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  37. Ohh.... by drolli · · Score: 1

    I for a second really hoped that the apologies for malware related to the big brother functions in Windows Vista and the EULA which allows MS to take control over the computer as normally only trojans do....

  38. Step 5 by darkonc · · Score: 1
    Stop using Windows... (it says "How to protect your PC, not "how to protect your Windows box").

    Actually, now that I think of it, that should probably be step 3.

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  39. Serving malware? Nothing new ... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    they've been serving up Windows Genuine Advantage for some time now.

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  40. what an oxymoron... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they might as well advertise for windows as well

  41. Screenshots for Apple PR campaign by stewbacca · · Score: 1

    Apple should use the three screen shots in the article for their commercials. These screens basically sum up why Microsoft sucks, and why Mac OS X is vastly superior...

  42. It's the dumb PMs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The real problem is m$ just having too many idiots in the role of Program Manager. Many seem to have ego problems and just wont listen to anyone more educated in their specific area (which tends to be everyone else in their cost center).

  43. Wife's reason for disliking Vista by MK_CSGuy · · Score: 1

    What was the final straw that had the wife decide against Vista?