The year was 2001. I went out and bought a cd with Freebsd 4.x, then borrowed a 1G Quantum hard drive, quite old at the time and installed it in my Pentium MMX 200Mhz 32Mb Ram alongside 2Gb seagate circa 1998. I didn't know about a possibility of dual-booting, so I installed Freebsd on a separate hard drive, and to switch between freebsd and windows 98 on the main system, I had to tweak some bios settings.
I didn't know anything about shell, for that matter I didn't know any better, but did I manage to type 'startx' after I logged in as 'root' and for some reason X worked the first time, that I was able to log into kde that displayed a rather nice red theme with warnings about dangers of running as root. Then the only thing I did, I played 'bomberman' with my buddies three people at a time on the same keyboard. I heard about the game, but couldn't find cd for it and Freebsd had a decent clone of it!
Eventually I had to give back that quantum disk, and my experiments with alternative operating systems ended at the time.
I returned, this time to Linux, in 2004 I started with Mandrake 9.* then moved to Fedora 4, and when my dual monitor setup, failed with an upgrade to fedora 5, I finally switch to Debian, which I've been using since.
I don't think it's the issue of Windows being more secure, rather of Linux exposing more of underlying hardware. Since it is a proof-of-concept exploit, it's much easier to write a shell script for linux that does the job as opposed to hunting down some obscure windows API that do the same thing, plus you've got source code for the kernel so you know exactly what has to be done.
I did RTFA, it does explain how to install it, but besides that what does openfire actually do? Jabber support, graphs showing who is online, what else?
This doesn't answer question about simple worms that could infect machine that is just on the internet, without any actions on the part of the user. Still, in your example everything that goes under user account should not completely hose the machine, just the user account.
The major difference between java script and activeX is that javascript runs in a sandboxed environment and activeX is integrated deep into the system, so in an ideal world compromised javascript might kill your browser session but compromised activeX would completely take over your machine.
The funny thing about googleling "javascript exploit" is that 4 links out of 10, actually the first four talk about ie 6-7 javascript vulnerabilities, one - about firefox, two - about acrobat reader, the rest describe the ways of building an exploit. In this completely unscientific test Microsoft gets things wrong more than everyone else - who would've thunk it?
I guess the essence of your argument is that however sophisticated and secure programs are written, the public in general doesn't know any better and Microsoft is only blamed because it's the biggest player in the market, and what I infer from it, that there is no point in building better software because ingenious idiots would break it anyway. My view at this problem, is that Microsoft and many sloppy developers have programmed in a way that is easier for themselves rather than what is better for users, exploiting publics ignorance on the subject and instead of flashing warnings writing help windows and implementing things properly, just said - this is how it is - deal with it, so the ignorant public thinks that opening greeting cards with naked bunnies that then hose their computers is normal, because these gosh darn things are so complicated.
I don't thing that we would persuade each other to think otherwise because these arguments based on our life experiences which are very different, so let's just leave it at that.
WRONG. He STILL managed to completely bone the system to beyond bootability in less than a week. How? Because he didn't like getting software through the package manager so he typed in "Linux Software" into Google and downloaded a bunch of stuff off Freshmeat and ended up in dependency hell. So now I just keep him in a locked down XP account and clean it out a couple of times a year when he fills it with malware.
The difference between dancing bunnies and installing software from freshmeat is that people that open attachements with dancing bunnies don't expect their computer to be fucked up because of it, whereas when you start compiling and installing random packages, you know that you're compromising the system, that's why sudo dialog pops up - there is conceptual difference that's also tangible.
And in the case of locked up windows machine, how reinstalling a linux distro without giving him root password or sudo access is different? Actually what I describe is even better, since you don't have to clean out his computer periodically.
Well I assume we were talking about a competent admin, which means that things that would be accomplished in that afternoon:
- Screwing around with Samba and AD - Writing state document as you go - Editing state document - Testing - Testing - Testing
So you'll spend one afternoon screwing around with samba but you'll have a working process for building file server that takes much less time with each next build. For extra credit you can get some deployment tools like fai, to automatically build file server for you, if you need to build more then 5 or so, in that case you can go through a checklist, setting required parameters particular to that environment; under this process it would probably take about 1/2 hour to build a server.
Anyway, what does it mean you can't screw around with technology directly related to the work you're doing? If Microsoft comes out with a piece of software X that might improve things in the line of you work, you're going to have to learn how to work with that software and it even might take some of your work time to do that, now how any other company products are different from Microsoft?
Whether you troll or not, here's a hit for ya, not everyone is a mindless corporate drone such as yourself. Think different. Get a better job.
Oh please, in Debian installer, at the stage formatting disks before copying base system, installer offers you choose mount options, which include mounting with acls, anyway as far as I know, any modern distro comes with acls installed and any moder file system supports acls, you just need to enable them by adding a mount option in fstab, so I wouldn't call this the most difficult step in configuring linux file server, may be that was true 10 years ago, but not now.
Then it takes about a whole afternoon to figure out how samba talks to the AD, and two user accounts to make sure that everything is set up properly. If you are a competent admin, you should have some idea how user authentication works in AD, so figuring out how replace w2k3 server with samba, should not be that big of a deal.
I don't really understand why you need gui, it's just another type of user interface no better then CLI, even in w2k3 you can pull a text file with AD configuration and edit it, also I've recently tried fedora 10 (after a long hiatus since fedora 4) and, for example utilities like system, and chkconfig leave lots of gui stuff in the dust, not to mention that fedora does have gui utilites for this, check out system-config-*, oh by the way, samba has got a web-based tool called swat, that does most of the work for you.
I also don't really buy multi-os crap, since with linux everything is really easy - for each physical server build a virtual machine with the similar settings, xen paravirtualized linux guest kick ass in comparison with vmware, upgrade testing server first, see if it breaks, and unlike windows, 98% of the time doesn't, then deploy.
I started watching the video, only to turn it off when I heard the phrase - "sexual operating system", fearing that that if I continue, then my head would explode. No amount of clarification, or context could make this sound sane.
That's why I use rdiff-backup. Actually I use rdiff-backup with lvm snapshots, and that backs up mysql binary files while it is online, the only downside is that I have to lock all tables before creating a snapshot.
Or before each backup you could run mysqlcheck and see if the database is consistent, also you could back up database in a different file every day of the week, or back everything in a new tar archive, an then clean up old files periodically - that would be a very cheap versioning solution. And that would still be better than having no backups.
Wow, neocon loonies are exactly the same as liberal loonies, they even use the same language! (Or parent should have been modded funny but moderators don't quite get it)
Oh my God you are so full of crap.
Said by the person even more full of it. I can't believe this was modded insightful, actually I can't believe there are so many neocons on slashdot.
t's the millions to birth control programs.
The millions for birth control program are going to provide jobs, I'm not even going to explain how its going to work, because you just jumped to the fact that the government will give out condoms, well even in this case the government is going to create jobs by employing people at condom-making factory. And let's face it this is not about economy It's about republican socially conservative agenda.
How is money to Amtrak going to produce jobs?
Because it's a capital investment. That means long term jobs, whereas you can buy any number of buses anytime.
How does extending unemployment benefits create jobs?
Because it's a bad economy and majority of people prefer to eat? It's also a great way to spend money quickly - just give them to people to spend.
How does allocating money so groups like ACORN can purchase houses and rent them out create jobs?
ACORN bashing is so October 2008 give it up already.
Now these may be great ideas, but they do NOT belong in the "stimulus" package if they do not stimulate. Seriously, how big of a moron do you have to be to NOT understand that?
They stimulate the fucking economy, by giving people jobs thus money to spend. How big of a moron are you so you can't understand that.
In other words, don't let the facts cloud your preconceived judgment of "Republicans bad, Democrats good".
It's not that republican bad, and democrats are good, it's that republicans are fucking horrible, and under this circumstances it doesn't really matter how democrats behave. Republicans were main culprits that got us into this mess, and now they got that hate-spewing retard Rush as the leader of their party. You gotta try pretty hard to top that.
What's the total amount of money in the package they object to? 1%? 2%? Fucking hypocrites.
I guess at some point the OpenBSD team has decided that being generally arrogant and annoying doesn't really help their cause, since someone who wants to give Unix a try, would not have to either pony up 50 bucks upfront or spend 20 minutes of his life figuring how to create a installer image and instead go with netbsd, freebsd, or dare I say, linux. And even though Openbsd is not a proprietary product it did feel like one - I always had to keep its cds around, and it's definitely a property of a closed-source software - you always have to have a hard copy of it. I'm glad they've stopped doing that.
Actually, download Debian netinstall cd(140Mb) and just install standard system(300Mb), by the way it is also an excellent way of building Debian. Then on top of it install the following packages: apt-get install xserver-xorg kde kdm And then you gonna get just KDE desktop with no bloat (well, not counting kde). Then install all the packages you really need.
I did my install that way two years ago, but I haven't really cared what packages I've been installing since, so my system is currently pretty bloated (1500+ packages installed) on the upside, I don't really care about it, the only noticeable performance hit - it takes up to two minutes to boot up the system, but then I hibernate it instead of shutting down, and this hasn't bothered me too much to actually sit down and fix the problem.
To be fair the article was written by a twonk too, instead of doing research and actually speaking to people involved, the said twonk just started slamming Greenpeace. Oh, and by the way, it was published in a freaking Register, which doesn't really help its credibility.
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The year was 2001. I went out and bought a cd with Freebsd 4.x, then borrowed a 1G Quantum hard drive, quite old at the time and installed it in my Pentium MMX 200Mhz 32Mb Ram alongside 2Gb seagate circa 1998. I didn't know about a possibility of dual-booting, so I installed Freebsd on a separate hard drive, and to switch between freebsd and windows 98 on the main system, I had to tweak some bios settings.
I didn't know anything about shell, for that matter I didn't know any better, but did I manage to type 'startx' after I logged in as 'root' and for some reason X worked the first time, that I was able to log into kde that displayed a rather nice red theme with warnings about dangers of running as root. Then the only thing I did, I played 'bomberman' with my buddies three people at a time on the same keyboard. I heard about the game, but couldn't find cd for it and Freebsd had a decent clone of it!
Eventually I had to give back that quantum disk, and my experiments with alternative operating systems ended at the time.
I returned, this time to Linux, in 2004 I started with Mandrake 9.* then moved to Fedora 4, and when my dual monitor setup, failed with an upgrade to fedora 5, I finally switch to Debian, which I've been using since.
I don't think it's the issue of Windows being more secure, rather of Linux exposing more of underlying hardware. Since it is a proof-of-concept exploit, it's much easier to write a shell script for linux that does the job as opposed to hunting down some obscure windows API that do the same thing, plus you've got source code for the kernel so you know exactly what has to be done.
I did RTFA, it does explain how to install it, but besides that what does openfire actually do? Jabber support, graphs showing who is online, what else?
This doesn't answer question about simple worms that could infect machine that is just on the internet, without any actions on the part of the user. Still, in your example everything that goes under user account should not completely hose the machine, just the user account.
The major difference between java script and activeX is that javascript runs in a sandboxed environment and activeX is integrated deep into the system, so in an ideal world compromised javascript might kill your browser session but compromised activeX would completely take over your machine.
The funny thing about googleling "javascript exploit" is that 4 links out of 10, actually the first four talk about ie 6-7 javascript vulnerabilities, one - about firefox, two - about acrobat reader, the rest describe the ways of building an exploit. In this completely unscientific test Microsoft gets things wrong more than everyone else - who would've thunk it?
I guess the essence of your argument is that however sophisticated and secure programs are written, the public in general doesn't know any better and Microsoft is only blamed because it's the biggest player in the market, and what I infer from it, that there is no point in building better software because ingenious idiots would break it anyway.
My view at this problem, is that Microsoft and many sloppy developers have programmed in a way that is easier for themselves rather than what is better for users, exploiting publics ignorance on the subject and instead of flashing warnings writing help windows and implementing things properly, just said - this is how it is - deal with it, so the ignorant public thinks that opening greeting cards with naked bunnies that then hose their computers is normal, because these gosh darn things are so complicated.
I don't thing that we would persuade each other to think otherwise because these arguments based on our life experiences which are very different, so let's just leave it at that.
WRONG. He STILL managed to completely bone the system to beyond bootability in less than a week. How? Because he didn't like getting software through the package manager so he typed in "Linux Software" into Google and downloaded a bunch of stuff off Freshmeat and ended up in dependency hell. So now I just keep him in a locked down XP account and clean it out a couple of times a year when he fills it with malware.
The difference between dancing bunnies and installing software from freshmeat is that people that open attachements with dancing bunnies don't expect their computer to be fucked up because of it, whereas when you start compiling and installing random packages, you know that you're compromising the system, that's why sudo dialog pops up - there is conceptual difference that's also tangible.
And in the case of locked up windows machine, how reinstalling a linux distro without giving him root password or sudo access is different? Actually what I describe is even better, since you don't have to clean out his computer periodically.
Impeach? WTF? who modded this insightful?
Sure, it's more then enough for you.
*Runs away*
On a debian system I just typed in
$apt-cache search acc
This produced a 20-item list that among a bunch of players has this line
libfaad0 - freeware Advanced Audio Decoder - runtime files
Not to mention that if you want to play a media-file in ubuntu, then a window will pop up suggesting codecs that got to be installed on the system.
Well I assume we were talking about a competent admin, which means that things that would be accomplished in that afternoon:
- Screwing around with Samba and AD
- Writing state document as you go
- Editing state document
- Testing
- Testing
- Testing
So you'll spend one afternoon screwing around with samba but you'll have a working process for building file server that takes much less time with each next build. For extra credit you can get some deployment tools like fai, to automatically build file server for you, if you need to build more then 5 or so, in that case you can go through a checklist, setting required parameters particular to that environment; under this process it would probably take about 1/2 hour to build a server.
Anyway, what does it mean you can't screw around with technology directly related to the work you're doing? If Microsoft comes out with a piece of software X that might improve things in the line of you work, you're going to have to learn how to work with that software and it even might take some of your work time to do that, now how any other company products are different from Microsoft?
Whether you troll or not, here's a hit for ya, not everyone is a mindless corporate drone such as yourself. Think different. Get a better job.
Oh please, in Debian installer, at the stage formatting disks before copying base system, installer offers you choose mount options, which include mounting with acls, anyway as far as I know, any modern distro comes with acls installed and any moder file system supports acls, you just need to enable them by adding a mount option in fstab, so I wouldn't call this the most difficult step in configuring linux file server, may be that was true 10 years ago, but not now.
Then it takes about a whole afternoon to figure out how samba talks to the AD, and two user accounts to make sure that everything is set up properly. If you are a competent admin, you should have some idea how user authentication works in AD, so figuring out how replace w2k3 server with samba, should not be that big of a deal.
I don't really understand why you need gui, it's just another type of user interface no better then CLI, even in w2k3 you can pull a text file with AD configuration and edit it, also I've recently tried fedora 10 (after a long hiatus since fedora 4) and, for example utilities like system, and chkconfig leave lots of gui stuff in the dust, not to mention that fedora does have gui utilites for this, check out system-config-*, oh by the way, samba has got a web-based tool called swat, that does most of the work for you.
I also don't really buy multi-os crap, since with linux everything is really easy - for each physical server build a virtual machine with the similar settings, xen paravirtualized linux guest kick ass in comparison with vmware, upgrade testing server first, see if it breaks, and unlike windows, 98% of the time doesn't, then deploy.
Weird, because Debian moving away from bash to dash for exactly the same reasons.
http://www.nabble.com/Making-init-scripts-use-dash-td4458217.html
I started watching the video, only to turn it off when I heard the phrase - "sexual operating system", fearing that that if I continue, then my head would explode. No amount of clarification, or context could make this sound sane.
And that's why it is funny.
That's why I use rdiff-backup. Actually I use rdiff-backup with lvm snapshots, and that backs up mysql binary files while it is online, the only downside is that I have to lock all tables before creating a snapshot.
Or before each backup you could run mysqlcheck and see if the database is consistent, also you could back up database in a different file every day of the week, or back everything in a new tar archive, an then clean up old files periodically - that would be a very cheap versioning solution. And that would still be better than having no backups.
Wow, neocon loonies are exactly the same as liberal loonies, they even use the same language! (Or parent should have been modded funny but moderators don't quite get it)
Oh my God you are so full of crap.
Said by the person even more full of it. I can't believe this was modded insightful, actually I can't believe there are so many neocons on slashdot.
t's the millions to birth control programs.
The millions for birth control program are going to provide jobs, I'm not even going to explain how its going to work, because you just jumped to the fact that the government will give out condoms, well even in this case the government is going to create jobs by employing people at condom-making factory. And let's face it this is not about economy It's about republican socially conservative agenda.
How is money to Amtrak going to produce jobs?
Because it's a capital investment. That means long term jobs, whereas you can buy any number of buses anytime.
How does extending unemployment benefits create jobs?
Because it's a bad economy and majority of people prefer to eat? It's also a great way to spend money quickly - just give them to people to spend.
How does allocating money so groups like ACORN can purchase houses and rent them out create jobs?
ACORN bashing is so October 2008 give it up already.
Now these may be great ideas, but they do NOT belong in the "stimulus" package if they do not stimulate. Seriously, how big of a moron do you have to be to NOT understand that?
They stimulate the fucking economy, by giving people jobs thus money to spend. How big of a moron are you so you can't understand that.
In other words, don't let the facts cloud your preconceived judgment of "Republicans bad, Democrats good".
It's not that republican bad, and democrats are good, it's that republicans are fucking horrible, and under this circumstances it doesn't really matter how democrats behave. Republicans were main culprits that got us into this mess, and now they got that hate-spewing retard Rush as the leader of their party. You gotta try pretty hard to top that.
What's the total amount of money in the package they object to? 1%? 2%? Fucking hypocrites.
But it seemed so plausible. Ahhhhhh!
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=-qmglGWMsdk
Actually since the 4.3 release or thereabouts you can download full ISO image from the official website, for example this link leads to Openbsd 4.4 i386 ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/4.4/i386/install44.iso
I guess at some point the OpenBSD team has decided that being generally arrogant and annoying doesn't really help their cause, since someone who wants to give Unix a try, would not have to either pony up 50 bucks upfront or spend 20 minutes of his life figuring how to create a installer image and instead go with netbsd, freebsd, or dare I say, linux. And even though Openbsd is not a proprietary product it did feel like one - I always had to keep its cds around, and it's definitely a property of a closed-source software - you always have to have a hard copy of it. I'm glad they've stopped doing that.
Or you can always convert vmdk into a raw disk image, and do with the latter whatever you want.
qemu-img convert filename.vmdk -O raw filename.img
And an alternative of the current social security system would be...?
Well somebody says that social security is a fraud, and I'm not taking this person seriously, big deal.
Oh my god, you are one of those insane libertarian people! I knew you existed, I just didn't know I'd ever encounter you.
Then by this logic, does it mean that social security is completely unfair and unjust?
Actually, download Debian netinstall cd(140Mb) and just install standard system(300Mb), by the way it is also an excellent way of building Debian. Then on top of it install the following packages:
apt-get install xserver-xorg kde kdm
And then you gonna get just KDE desktop with no bloat (well, not counting kde). Then install all the packages you really need.
I did my install that way two years ago, but I haven't really cared what packages I've been installing since, so my system is currently pretty bloated (1500+ packages installed) on the upside, I don't really care about it, the only noticeable performance hit - it takes up to two minutes to boot up the system, but then I hibernate it instead of shutting down, and this hasn't bothered me too much to actually sit down and fix the problem.
To be fair the article was written by a twonk too, instead of doing research and actually speaking to people involved, the said twonk just started slamming Greenpeace. Oh, and by the way, it was published in a freaking Register, which doesn't really help its credibility.
Yeah, and what's the cost of lugging two extra socket kits in space?