I repeat: don't use them. There's been a LOT of open source development going into all three of quake engines.
Indeed. This is especially true for the older engines. John Carmack apparently had to hack a lot of things in order to get the games to perform adequately on whatever hardware he was targetting. Thanks to Moore's law, a lot of those contraints no longer apply, and free software developers are taking advantage of that fact.
No no, it makes perfect sense! Someone who thinks you can be enlightened by countless quotes taken completely out of context is surely not someone who can think coherently enough to make a decent website.
Nearly all hardware that is properly documented works fine out of the box. Like most of the bluescreens in the latest versions of Windows, it's the damn hardware manufacturers' fault!
I haven't said that they don't see the Linux market as significant, I am saying I am insignificant to them, if one user stops using their cards they wouldn't even notice.
Hence, you are part of the problem. You are not the entire problem. The problem being that nVidia has little incentive to release its interface specifications because the Linux market (of which you form a part) currently accepts nVidia's practice of only releasing proprietary, binary-only drivers.
Does anyone have any ideas for screening these kinds of traits?
Two words: Temporary employment. If you can, hire the candidate temporarily (for a few months, or on a contract basis). If you like the candidate's work, you can offer him/her a permanent position. If you don't, you simply let the contract expire.
In general, people actually do what they think others would do, so if you answer that you think everyone steals office supplies, you are admitting to stealing office supplies.
Full disclosure is bunk, there are large numbers of evil hackers on BUGTRAQ. Exploit code is often published there for the sole purpose of covering the tracks of an attacker.
In other words, 'evil hackers' don't need full disclosure by the vendor to attack your system, but you need it to best defend your system. I hardly see how that's an argument against full disclosure.
I would love them to open their drivers, in the meantime though they produce the best products and I am not so much of a zealot that I am going to cripple my system because they don't meet my personal preferences in regards to drivers.
And, again, this leads us back to my earlier statement about freedom not just being about zealotry and 'personal preferences'.
How would you say I am part of the problem? At least I am vocal about wanting the drivers opened, if I stopped buying their cards it wouldn't make the slightest difference and wouldn't be noticed and they really couldn't care
It's really quite simple. nVidia wants to access the Linux market. Linux users seem to be happy with proprietary drivers (no amount of being "vocal" is going to change anything if you ultimately still buy their cards) so why would nVidia do anything else? I wouldn't expect to see a change from nVidia until the Linux market says, effectively, "proprietary drivers are not good enough".
You seem to be asserting that nVidia pays people to write Linux drivers, even though they see the Linux market as totally insignificant. I don't understand the logic in that.
I guess you use S3? Have fun with that
At the moment, I have no need for exceedingly-fast 3D acceleration, so I make a point to not buy cards that need proprietary drivers. This isn't because of 'zealotry' or 'personal preference', as you like to call it, but because it really makes my life easier. The last decent 3D card I bought was an ATI Radeon 9200, which (as far as I know) was the last ATI card to work with free drivers.
At some point, I might find myself buying a card that requires proprietary drivers. If I do that, I'm at least not going to pretend that I'm not part of the problem.
Why should nVidia open up their drivers when their customers (e.g. you) are perfectly happy to spend money on their products, even though the drivers are closed? If you really don't care, that's your choice, but you shouldn't act as though you're not part of the problem.
Channels don't give support. People in the channel give support. Most of those people never offered anything.
Aside from that, I've sat in IRC support channels (primarily #debian) for a while, and from what I've seen, the majority of people do get useful support. The ones who don't are usually the ones who don't follow the advice given, ask off-topic questions (and fail to follow the advice to go to a different channel), demand support as if they're entitled to it, lie, and threaten to go back to Windows if nobody will magically solve their problem.
From what I've seen, the main difference between paid support and unpaid IRC support, is that with unpaid support, when the "customer" is being a jackass (or a troll, which happens a heck of a lot more on unpaid support channels), he/she is either told so, or simply ignored. People who persistently disrupt the channel are banned.
Note also that trolls tend to play both roles. They will ask simple questions and refuse to accept the answers, and they will also give useless answers like "rm -rf/*", "cat/dev/zero >/dev/hda", and "startkeylogger".
Regardless of the forum, the reality is that if you're not paying for support, then you can't assume that anybody owes you anything. What amazes me is that people are surprised by this.
Tell me a non-Microsoft operating system I can install that will run all of my applications. Lacking that, point me to the specification that allows someone to implement said non-Microsoft operating system.
Regardless so long as the drivers are proprietary, I will continue to load proprietary drivers into my kernel, the FSF has a fairly narrow minded view here, yes it would be great if the drivers were open, but they aren't, and I am not going to restrict my system capablities just because the FSF doesn't approve.
Ten years from now, how "narrow-minded" will you think RMS, the FSF, Theo de Raadt, and countless others were when you find that your bank account has been cleared out by your friendly neighbourhood script kiddie, who exploited the latest DRM rootkit that was built into your priprietary video drivers, which happen to run in ring 0? Oops.
Freedom (for software or anything else) isn't just some feel-good ideology that hippies like to preach; It has real consequences that are very much grounded in everyday life. That you cannot see this is not a result of the narrow-mindedness of others, but of your own lack of foresight.
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I repeat: don't use them. There's been a LOT of open source development going into all three of quake engines.
Indeed. This is especially true for the older engines. John Carmack apparently had to hack a lot of things in order to get the games to perform adequately on whatever hardware he was targetting. Thanks to Moore's law, a lot of those contraints no longer apply, and free software developers are taking advantage of that fact.
HEY! I'm the script kiddie who put that there. You're violating my coPYRIghT by posting it here. Prepare to die.
No no, it makes perfect sense! Someone who thinks you can be enlightened by countless quotes taken completely out of context is surely not someone who can think coherently enough to make a decent website.
I stopped reading after "sendmail"
LISP?
Practically everyone recognized the importance of the Internet before Bill Gates did. Hell, I probably did.
Nearly all hardware that is properly documented works fine out of the box. Like most of the bluescreens in the latest versions of Windows, it's the damn hardware manufacturers' fault!
You don't need the "== true" part. :-P
None of them. Not a single one. I'd guess that there probably isn't any branching or looping logic in the entire program...
Talk about -funroll-loops!
I predict a major fork() of Linux within 5 years.
Hence, you are part of the problem. You are not the entire problem. The problem being that nVidia has little incentive to release its interface specifications because the Linux market (of which you form a part) currently accepts nVidia's practice of only releasing proprietary, binary-only drivers.
Two words: Temporary employment. If you can, hire the candidate temporarily (for a few months, or on a contract basis). If you like the candidate's work, you can offer him/her a permanent position. If you don't, you simply let the contract expire.
Or you're just cynical.
What's the point of CSS besides region-coding?
Since when is it up to MS to choose what risks my company takes?
In other words, 'evil hackers' don't need full disclosure by the vendor to attack your system, but you need it to best defend your system. I hardly see how that's an argument against full disclosure.
And, again, this leads us back to my earlier statement about freedom not just being about zealotry and 'personal preferences'.
How would you say I am part of the problem? At least I am vocal about wanting the drivers opened, if I stopped buying their cards it wouldn't make the slightest difference and wouldn't be noticed and they really couldn't care
It's really quite simple. nVidia wants to access the Linux market. Linux users seem to be happy with proprietary drivers (no amount of being "vocal" is going to change anything if you ultimately still buy their cards) so why would nVidia do anything else? I wouldn't expect to see a change from nVidia until the Linux market says, effectively, "proprietary drivers are not good enough".
You seem to be asserting that nVidia pays people to write Linux drivers, even though they see the Linux market as totally insignificant. I don't understand the logic in that.
I guess you use S3? Have fun with that
At the moment, I have no need for exceedingly-fast 3D acceleration, so I make a point to not buy cards that need proprietary drivers. This isn't because of 'zealotry' or 'personal preference', as you like to call it, but because it really makes my life easier. The last decent 3D card I bought was an ATI Radeon 9200, which (as far as I know) was the last ATI card to work with free drivers.
At some point, I might find myself buying a card that requires proprietary drivers. If I do that, I'm at least not going to pretend that I'm not part of the problem.
... I want them to be addressed.
Why should nVidia open up their drivers when their customers (e.g. you) are perfectly happy to spend money on their products, even though the drivers are closed? If you really don't care, that's your choice, but you shouldn't act as though you're not part of the problem.
Aside from that, I've sat in IRC support channels (primarily #debian) for a while, and from what I've seen, the majority of people do get useful support. The ones who don't are usually the ones who don't follow the advice given, ask off-topic questions (and fail to follow the advice to go to a different channel), demand support as if they're entitled to it, lie, and threaten to go back to Windows if nobody will magically solve their problem.
From what I've seen, the main difference between paid support and unpaid IRC support, is that with unpaid support, when the "customer" is being a jackass (or a troll, which happens a heck of a lot more on unpaid support channels), he/she is either told so, or simply ignored. People who persistently disrupt the channel are banned.
Note also that trolls tend to play both roles. They will ask simple questions and refuse to accept the answers, and they will also give useless answers like "rm -rf /*", "cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda", and "startkeylogger".
Regardless of the forum, the reality is that if you're not paying for support, then you can't assume that anybody owes you anything. What amazes me is that people are surprised by this.
Tell me a non-Microsoft operating system I can install that will run all of my applications. Lacking that, point me to the specification that allows someone to implement said non-Microsoft operating system.
Don't you have to declare war to have enemy combatantants?
That's the entire point. Better formats don't exist because Microsoft has destroyed the market for them.
Ten years from now, how "narrow-minded" will you think RMS, the FSF, Theo de Raadt, and countless others were when you find that your bank account has been cleared out by your friendly neighbourhood script kiddie, who exploited the latest DRM rootkit that was built into your priprietary video drivers, which happen to run in ring 0? Oops.
Freedom (for software or anything else) isn't just some feel-good ideology that hippies like to preach; It has real consequences that are very much grounded in everyday life. That you cannot see this is not a result of the narrow-mindedness of others, but of your own lack of foresight.