You gotta move on, then? And so what? Why should we care? Hurry up and move to OSX or Windows, and bring the negavitity to them instead. Or were you expecting us to go NO! WE NEED YOUR MARKET SHARE!. We don't need crybabies, they are dime a dozen. I use Linux because as a developer it's easy to set up, it's easy to automate and I don't dislike the apps, specially nowadays where I can even play steam games on it. Not for you? Then why are you complaining about it? Just move on to what you like instead of using your departure as some form of blackmail! You even save time complaining about it on the internet.
Dude, it's disk space, not RAM. If you got space for a single movie you got space for KDE. That's like the lamest "hater" argument ever. I am not going to believe you can't afford the network and space for a single movie in 2013. Specially with your ID. Hell, you probably got better network than my flimsy and capped 3g. Also with my setup (and being 64-bit, which makes binaries a bit heftier), it's like 250-300mb or less with all the -dev packages I need, so your measurement seems pretty arbitrary. Did you even bother checking? You realize you can customize your install and it's not a monolithic package in any distro, do you?
Also I used IceWM before KDE, precisely. And yeah I don't miss it a bit nowadays. Kwin's automation is a killer feature nobody ever talks about, it's fast, it's customizable. I boot with less than 90mb of RAM used until I open firefox.
And, yes, the guy is asking for something that can be configured. I also suggested FVWM if you recall.
How convenient, considering tablets have almost no security and are ripe for the NSA to observe. Of course it's important to have every child tableted, it's easier to spy on them that way.
Well, I don't do perl, but it's trivial to cross-compile a Lua interpreter and get it to do stuff inside android. You can populate your scripting enviroment pretty well if you compile your own binaries (it's a bit tricky, not everything works, but you can indeed get stuff working). I also build bash (git version no less) for my cheap android phone, and you can build most coreutils, sed, awk and stuff. I got a very complete shell working, with all the advantages.
You can also get a debian chroot to work pretty well, as a last resort. With some bash it can be made seamless, requiring only one command to get all working (mostly for ADB, it can be automated if using in the phone itself, but the input sucks...). I run stuff like bitlbee on my even cheaper chinese tablet, my 3g is more stable than my wifi, and connecting to the tablet I can keep stable communications. I have seen people running webservers like that too, and even forcing X to work (overriding the entire android display, though!).
Considering I use more of my custom linux tools (same as desktop with minimal display changes) than android apps, that must mean stuff can get done. Give it another try, you can find cheap chinese hardware to experiment with for a pittance, and some samsung phones can be gotten cheap in second-hand markets or brand new as special offers.
Oh, there's also a small hack of Connectbot that allows mouse input for terminals, so if you can code, you can make semi-visual apps using ncurses and that Connectbot. I lost the link, but it's somewhere in the google code site for Connectbot.
You can configure KDE4 pretty well, and even if you can't, you can always get someone to write a plasmoid in QML or python or something. Probably for a bounty you can afford, or even asking nicely, who knows. Alternatively, there's Gnome 3, but I haven't tested that one much. Even more alternatively, there's FVWM...you can do pretty much anything on it, if you can afford the time.
I got my KDE using an Unity-like look and using some Unity apis for menus and displays. Didn't need to code at all (and any code I did for custom displays is pretty much bash and a python helper, about 10 minutes of coding). Of course, this only looks like Unity (I always used sidebars anyway, even in windows), but behaves more like I want it to behave.
Except, in my country the government has absolutely no second thoughts when it comes to pit our local equivalent of the SWAT against unarmed, peaceful protesters. It's dangerous to even go to the same street as a protest, you can get mauled or arrested at random. There's even TV and Youtube footage of several of such cases surely left uncensored so people can see what happens if they try. This is Spain by the way. No need for it to be a dictatorship.
>keep spreading the word that the Government can't be trusted And find yourself being harassed by the powerful party you are against. We don't have that much power as long as laws can be made against us. Just wait until it's as bad as talking negative about the Thai royalty.
Bah, Tor? As long as it's "that thing pedophiles use", I am not willing to use it. Any safety I might gain with it is nullified by its fame of pedo-tool.
Spanish (EU) for 30 years and never heard of it. If anything it kinda sounds like "light". I think you are thinking of "lumis". But it's very regional and underused. Practically a joke that people needs to explain.
Double reply, sorry. By the way, you can notice almost every major scifi show with aliens and space travel, tends to have humans be either: A) A fabrication from aliens B) Inferior creatures that learned their science from superior aliens C) Aliens that came to earth and became humans
Also notice how the advanced space race is never humanity (except in one or two exceptions I can think of), and how humanity is always used to deliver some sort of half-assed eco/social critical message. We are too greedy and war-like and destroy nature! Human fiction keeps repeating that faulty aesop ad-nauseam.
In short, humanity thinks too poorly of itself. Fiction nails that down and also increases that belief. We aren't worthy of being a successful lifeform, we had to have had some help. Or so they think. If it's not God, it's aliens or extinct superbeings we stole our genetics and knowledge from. Alternatively, this gives some people an excuse to say we didn't evolve from primates. We evolved from aliens/alien bacteria, not a chimp! Of course we can't be related to simians!
Because it's cooler to make an elaborate scifi story. I never understood the hype nor the zealotic support of the theorists who believe we are mere insignificant creatures and that aliens are superior to us in every way, untainted by human greed, because we are only human scum that has done nothing to deserve its place in the food chain. (note the sarcasm). Of course humans must have come from somewhere else. We aren't good enough to have our own planet give life to us. Pf. Are nihilism and inferiority complex a common trait in scientists?
Unfortunately DDG's results are pretty terrible. I find it pretty much unusable, specially because it tends to turn your search for a software package with a "common" name, to only turn out results from the common name (IE try to look for Lua and you get sites that use the Portuguese word for moon), whereas google will usually link to Lua's official site.
I don't think it's a coincidence that the 2DS comes out the same day as Pokemon XY (the first one to have an international, simultaneous release). The 3D is a gimmick few players want, and really, making the console cheaper helps those pokemon sales, a game that has solid sales no matter what. It means a lot of money to Nintendo, so this makes perfect sense.
Also it's fun how the consoles are red and blue in color, since XY also goes back to such coloring (X is themed blue, Y is red).
They should have called it "Nintendo XY", I guess it's what most people want it for. For me? It's a gift from god. I wasn't too keen on spending 200â for a console that only has one game that I want to play (XY), now for the same price I can afford the console, the game, and I still have money left. I'm sold.
That's why one avoids doing such work too late into the night. Anyway, you shouldn't do artistic jobs right before going to bed, it's likely that your skills won't be as good as 1-2 hours ago, and imagination and willpower get a severe drop when bed is calling. I actually use redshift (a close equivalent to f.lux), programmed to always interrupt my artistic work 1.5 hours before bed. I know I'll go to bed late if I ignore that warning. I also picked a syntax highlighting for code that becomes unreadable when the screen goes warm.
From my personal experience, working up on computers late not only makes your sleep worse, it also lowers your output/quality and makes you more tired for your actual day job. Of course if you have a deadline and your job is artist/coder, then yeah, but it still isn't the best idea to work right before going to bed.
I didn't vote for the corrupt president of my country, Spain, but he's there anyway. Blaming voters means you are also blaming me, but I didn't vote for the thievering retard running the place. Besides, in this country it's not unlikely to see dead men voting for the winning party. I once found my late grandfather listed in such a list. So what's the real value of a vote?
Losing credibility? They made twelve million dollars...while not the intended goal, if you dare call that "loss of credibility" you aren't in your right mind. I'd like to see your company get that much support.
This. Unity in a phone would be a damn dream compared to how Android handles tasks and everything. I remember seeing someone saying below (I guess the post was moderated out) that Android was pretty good for usage...that is, if you only use ONE task at a time. Trying to switch tasks, specially quickly (try browsing for a file while trying to respond quickly on Skype. Even with helper apps it's not as easy as touching an icon in the left, no matter what). The app paradigm, as we know it, is only use-friendly for the app itself. Unless there's a visible task manager that you don't need to hold a key for 1 second to invoke, or something else that doesn't require returning to the desktop, Win 3.1 style, Android is horribly flawed for anything that is not one thing at a time. Sure, nowadays there are sidebars in android (that look suspiciously like Unity's bar), but they tend to be either 4.x only, slow, the "launcher hotspot" tends to be in the way, or use the screen entirely. Oh, or full of intrusive ads.
Heh, I wonder how many of the vocal haters bothered to do what you did: try it and modify it for your needs. I can tell you this much: The more vocal some user is about Unity and how quickly they installed Mint, the less likely to have tried it themselves. I don't use Unity myself, I use a custom KDE resembling it and using the Unity launcher API (very fun btw), but I always give Unity a try as I reinstall a newer Ubuntu version. By 13.04 it was pretty usable and looked fairly good...I believe that for users that aren't "invested" in KDE, OSX or Windows, it's a pretty decent DM.
There is a thin line between fanboy and hater. And like fanboys, you are not all that rational or insightful. Call me the day you are forced to use Unity and only Unity. Until then, you are nothing but noise.
I find it ironic how this exact action, for people that is not "famous", tends to be considered weak and pathetic. There are a ton of struggling developers out there that nobody will ever pay attention to. Nobody will play (I say play, not even "buy") their games even if they are good simply because they don't have fame. And this guy, is on the top of the food chain, and just quits, just like that? If nothing else, that's a pretty bad example to give aspiring gamedevs.
You seem to think only of PCs. I used to play both consoles and PC, and I am still finding gems on 16-bits consoles that I never knew, I never played, but I like today. It's not rose-colored glasses if you pick a game from that era and you like it now. Sure, there's garbage, but isn't it telling that you can still find new "old" stuff and like it? Besides, I still enjoy Doom, Gunstar Heroes, Mario World, nowadays. Rose-colored glasses apply to stuff you forgot over time and your memory has glorified. If the game is good now, it's not nostalgia, the game was just good.
There were plenty of games that never came out of Japan/the US/Europe in the console market, and they are being found thanks to Internet and people likes them NOW.
Still, compare Metal Slug or Contra, to garbage like Mercenary Kings. It took a crowdsourcing to make a game that reeks of grinding and every single play mechanic is wrong, like the reloading or the "you do the same damage with a full magazine no matter how many bullets there are. Same damage for a 6-shot than a 30-shot mag". Oh, and "stat-bassed misses" in an action game, just no.
Anyway, my point is, I don't agree with your argument. Nostalgia is something your memory has glorified, like those summers of your youth. It's not nostalgia if you can pick that something now and prove it's good. It's called "being good" or "standing the test of time". Besides, the Doom clones you speak of, adapted to modern control schemes, still play quite nicely. Rise of the Triad, Duke Nukem 3D...you can still play them legitimately or find new maps or mods.
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You gotta move on, then? And so what? Why should we care? Hurry up and move to OSX or Windows, and bring the negavitity to them instead. Or were you expecting us to go NO! WE NEED YOUR MARKET SHARE!. We don't need crybabies, they are dime a dozen.
I use Linux because as a developer it's easy to set up, it's easy to automate and I don't dislike the apps, specially nowadays where I can even play steam games on it. Not for you? Then why are you complaining about it? Just move on to what you like instead of using your departure as some form of blackmail! You even save time complaining about it on the internet.
Dude, it's disk space, not RAM. If you got space for a single movie you got space for KDE. That's like the lamest "hater" argument ever. I am not going to believe you can't afford the network and space for a single movie in 2013. Specially with your ID. Hell, you probably got better network than my flimsy and capped 3g.
Also with my setup (and being 64-bit, which makes binaries a bit heftier), it's like 250-300mb or less with all the -dev packages I need, so your measurement seems pretty arbitrary. Did you even bother checking? You realize you can customize your install and it's not a monolithic package in any distro, do you?
Also I used IceWM before KDE, precisely. And yeah I don't miss it a bit nowadays. Kwin's automation is a killer feature nobody ever talks about, it's fast, it's customizable. I boot with less than 90mb of RAM used until I open firefox.
And, yes, the guy is asking for something that can be configured. I also suggested FVWM if you recall.
But hey, it was your choice to be an ass on the internets. Unless you happen to live in a rural place with no available internet connection (how are you posting here then? cibercafé?) and the disk space of an early 90s computer, your argument is pretty much arguing for the sake of argument.
Ever tried to do multitasking in a tablet? It's not gonna be easy for the kid to do something else and quickly close it before the teacher notices.
How convenient, considering tablets have almost no security and are ripe for the NSA to observe.
Of course it's important to have every child tableted, it's easier to spy on them that way.
Well, I don't do perl, but it's trivial to cross-compile a Lua interpreter and get it to do stuff inside android. You can populate your scripting enviroment pretty well if you compile your own binaries (it's a bit tricky, not everything works, but you can indeed get stuff working).
I also build bash (git version no less) for my cheap android phone, and you can build most coreutils, sed, awk and stuff. I got a very complete shell working, with all the advantages.
You can also get a debian chroot to work pretty well, as a last resort. With some bash it can be made seamless, requiring only one command to get all working (mostly for ADB, it can be automated if using in the phone itself, but the input sucks...). I run stuff like bitlbee on my even cheaper chinese tablet, my 3g is more stable than my wifi, and connecting to the tablet I can keep stable communications. I have seen people running webservers like that too, and even forcing X to work (overriding the entire android display, though!).
Considering I use more of my custom linux tools (same as desktop with minimal display changes) than android apps, that must mean stuff can get done. Give it another try, you can find cheap chinese hardware to experiment with for a pittance, and some samsung phones can be gotten cheap in second-hand markets or brand new as special offers.
Oh, there's also a small hack of Connectbot that allows mouse input for terminals, so if you can code, you can make semi-visual apps using ncurses and that Connectbot. I lost the link, but it's somewhere in the google code site for Connectbot.
You can configure KDE4 pretty well, and even if you can't, you can always get someone to write a plasmoid in QML or python or something. Probably for a bounty you can afford, or even asking nicely, who knows.
Alternatively, there's Gnome 3, but I haven't tested that one much.
Even more alternatively, there's FVWM...you can do pretty much anything on it, if you can afford the time.
I got my KDE using an Unity-like look and using some Unity apis for menus and displays. Didn't need to code at all (and any code I did for custom displays is pretty much bash and a python helper, about 10 minutes of coding).
Of course, this only looks like Unity (I always used sidebars anyway, even in windows), but behaves more like I want it to behave.
No, it's the same as running BSD :P
Except, in my country the government has absolutely no second thoughts when it comes to pit our local equivalent of the SWAT against unarmed, peaceful protesters. It's dangerous to even go to the same street as a protest, you can get mauled or arrested at random. There's even TV and Youtube footage of several of such cases surely left uncensored so people can see what happens if they try.
This is Spain by the way. No need for it to be a dictatorship.
>keep spreading the word that the Government can't be trusted
And find yourself being harassed by the powerful party you are against. We don't have that much power as long as laws can be made against us. Just wait until it's as bad as talking negative about the Thai royalty.
Bah, Tor? As long as it's "that thing pedophiles use", I am not willing to use it. Any safety I might gain with it is nullified by its fame of pedo-tool.
Spanish (EU) for 30 years and never heard of it. If anything it kinda sounds like "light".
I think you are thinking of "lumis". But it's very regional and underused. Practically a joke that people needs to explain.
Double reply, sorry.
By the way, you can notice almost every major scifi show with aliens and space travel, tends to have humans be either:
A) A fabrication from aliens
B) Inferior creatures that learned their science from superior aliens
C) Aliens that came to earth and became humans
Also notice how the advanced space race is never humanity (except in one or two exceptions I can think of), and how humanity is always used to deliver some sort of half-assed eco/social critical message. We are too greedy and war-like and destroy nature! Human fiction keeps repeating that faulty aesop ad-nauseam.
In short, humanity thinks too poorly of itself. Fiction nails that down and also increases that belief. We aren't worthy of being a successful lifeform, we had to have had some help. Or so they think. If it's not God, it's aliens or extinct superbeings we stole our genetics and knowledge from.
Alternatively, this gives some people an excuse to say we didn't evolve from primates. We evolved from aliens/alien bacteria, not a chimp! Of course we can't be related to simians!
Because it's cooler to make an elaborate scifi story. I never understood the hype nor the zealotic support of the theorists who believe we are mere insignificant creatures and that aliens are superior to us in every way, untainted by human greed, because we are only human scum that has done nothing to deserve its place in the food chain. (note the sarcasm).
Of course humans must have come from somewhere else. We aren't good enough to have our own planet give life to us. Pf.
Are nihilism and inferiority complex a common trait in scientists?
Unfortunately DDG's results are pretty terrible. I find it pretty much unusable, specially because it tends to turn your search for a software package with a "common" name, to only turn out results from the common name (IE try to look for Lua and you get sites that use the Portuguese word for moon), whereas google will usually link to Lua's official site.
I don't think it's a coincidence that the 2DS comes out the same day as Pokemon XY (the first one to have an international, simultaneous release).
The 3D is a gimmick few players want, and really, making the console cheaper helps those pokemon sales, a game that has solid sales no matter what. It means a lot of money to Nintendo, so this makes perfect sense.
Also it's fun how the consoles are red and blue in color, since XY also goes back to such coloring (X is themed blue, Y is red).
They should have called it "Nintendo XY", I guess it's what most people want it for.
For me? It's a gift from god. I wasn't too keen on spending 200â for a console that only has one game that I want to play (XY), now for the same price I can afford the console, the game, and I still have money left. I'm sold.
That's why one avoids doing such work too late into the night. Anyway, you shouldn't do artistic jobs right before going to bed, it's likely that your skills won't be as good as 1-2 hours ago, and imagination and willpower get a severe drop when bed is calling.
I actually use redshift (a close equivalent to f.lux), programmed to always interrupt my artistic work 1.5 hours before bed. I know I'll go to bed late if I ignore that warning. I also picked a syntax highlighting for code that becomes unreadable when the screen goes warm.
From my personal experience, working up on computers late not only makes your sleep worse, it also lowers your output/quality and makes you more tired for your actual day job. Of course if you have a deadline and your job is artist/coder, then yeah, but it still isn't the best idea to work right before going to bed.
I didn't vote for the corrupt president of my country, Spain, but he's there anyway. Blaming voters means you are also blaming me, but I didn't vote for the thievering retard running the place.
Besides, in this country it's not unlikely to see dead men voting for the winning party. I once found my late grandfather listed in such a list. So what's the real value of a vote?
congratulations, you missed the point.
The point is that the US gov is calling terrorism in things that are not. Including "consumerism".
Losing credibility? They made twelve million dollars...while not the intended goal, if you dare call that "loss of credibility" you aren't in your right mind. I'd like to see your company get that much support.
This. Unity in a phone would be a damn dream compared to how Android handles tasks and everything.
I remember seeing someone saying below (I guess the post was moderated out) that Android was pretty good for usage...that is, if you only use ONE task at a time. Trying to switch tasks, specially quickly (try browsing for a file while trying to respond quickly on Skype. Even with helper apps it's not as easy as touching an icon in the left, no matter what).
The app paradigm, as we know it, is only use-friendly for the app itself. Unless there's a visible task manager that you don't need to hold a key for 1 second to invoke, or something else that doesn't require returning to the desktop, Win 3.1 style, Android is horribly flawed for anything that is not one thing at a time.
Sure, nowadays there are sidebars in android (that look suspiciously like Unity's bar), but they tend to be either 4.x only, slow, the "launcher hotspot" tends to be in the way, or use the screen entirely. Oh, or full of intrusive ads.
Heh, I wonder how many of the vocal haters bothered to do what you did: try it and modify it for your needs.
I can tell you this much: The more vocal some user is about Unity and how quickly they installed Mint, the less likely to have tried it themselves.
I don't use Unity myself, I use a custom KDE resembling it and using the Unity launcher API (very fun btw), but I always give Unity a try as I reinstall a newer Ubuntu version. By 13.04 it was pretty usable and looked fairly good...I believe that for users that aren't "invested" in KDE, OSX or Windows, it's a pretty decent DM.
There is a thin line between fanboy and hater. And like fanboys, you are not all that rational or insightful.
Call me the day you are forced to use Unity and only Unity. Until then, you are nothing but noise.
I find it ironic how this exact action, for people that is not "famous", tends to be considered weak and pathetic.
There are a ton of struggling developers out there that nobody will ever pay attention to. Nobody will play (I say play, not even "buy") their games even if they are good simply because they don't have fame.
And this guy, is on the top of the food chain, and just quits, just like that? If nothing else, that's a pretty bad example to give aspiring gamedevs.
You seem to think only of PCs. I used to play both consoles and PC, and I am still finding gems on 16-bits consoles that I never knew, I never played, but I like today.
It's not rose-colored glasses if you pick a game from that era and you like it now. Sure, there's garbage, but isn't it telling that you can still find new "old" stuff and like it? Besides, I still enjoy Doom, Gunstar Heroes, Mario World, nowadays. Rose-colored glasses apply to stuff you forgot over time and your memory has glorified. If the game is good now, it's not nostalgia, the game was just good.
There were plenty of games that never came out of Japan/the US/Europe in the console market, and they are being found thanks to Internet and people likes them NOW.
Still, compare Metal Slug or Contra, to garbage like Mercenary Kings. It took a crowdsourcing to make a game that reeks of grinding and every single play mechanic is wrong, like the reloading or the "you do the same damage with a full magazine no matter how many bullets there are. Same damage for a 6-shot than a 30-shot mag". Oh, and "stat-bassed misses" in an action game, just no.
Anyway, my point is, I don't agree with your argument. Nostalgia is something your memory has glorified, like those summers of your youth. It's not nostalgia if you can pick that something now and prove it's good. It's called "being good" or "standing the test of time".
Besides, the Doom clones you speak of, adapted to modern control schemes, still play quite nicely. Rise of the Triad, Duke Nukem 3D...you can still play them legitimately or find new maps or mods.
Cheers friend. I hope this stuff finishes soon for all of us.