Just worked to death, I am just surprised it happened at Google rather than an Amazon fulfilment centre, though I guess Amazon can ship the bodies elsewhere...
The USA did not have to completely rebuild after WWII, unlike all of Europe and Asia. The USA was able to sell stuff that the world needed, an in the 1950's the USA accounted for 60% of the entire worlds GDP. The World then required the USA.
By the mid 1970s the rebuild was done, world manufacturing, food production, etc etc was producing surplus so the other countries traded among themselves, leaving the USA out of the loop. This trend has simply continued. Currently the USA is about 19% of the worlds GDP, and all other things being equal will get as low as 4% (the US population being 4% of the world population).
The rest of the world is competing, that's all that has happened. And that trend will continue to happen.
Technology has become cheap, no longer do you need to run underground cables for telephones, a shipping container flown in can have a remote town with cellphone coverage up and running in days. Computers are cheap, ebooks are cheap, information is cheap.
The US needs to come to terms that it is not number 1, nor is it irreplaceable, this is simply a fact, ANYTHING the US makes could be sourced from elsewhere, sure there may be delays until production meets demand, but it can happen. And its the same with software, the tools are free, the skills transportable, and if the reports of chinese hackers are not over blown, China has those skills already.
And all the US manufacturing job that went to Asia learned a different lesson.
Software is a skill that can be learned and that skill can be used in any country in the world.
It is simply US arrogance that keeps it believing that only the USA can produce good software. I am sure the US manufacturing sector had exactly the same views back in the 1960s and 1970's.
Yahoo also had that view, they were too big, too important, too special to fail.
See you think it's just about wages. Why can it not be about economic advantage.
Why should a worker in a poor country be disadvantaged simply because they can not afford automation. ?
You do understand that 60% of the worlds population lives in Asia, not the USA (only 4%)
There is also Europe to consider.
You do understand that delays TO the USA are just as long as the delays FROM the USA.
Sorry, but the USA is NOT the centre of the universe. And more and more US corporations are earning more from the rest of the world than the USA, the US has become a secondary market. The real consumer growth is is Asia, not the USA.
But keep believing what you believe, it will then come as a rude shock when software goes the same way as manufacturing.
Software as an industry is still young, but the entry costs are rapidly falling.
Development boards are now throw away items they are so cheap.
Compilers are free
The barriers to teaching , learning, and entry are practically gone for software development.
The advantage the US once had where they could afford the tools has gone.
Open Source software has also supplied a free example of code to learn from
The people who had been gaining experience under the visa schemes go back to their own countries taking the skills they learned with them
And for countries that lack automation, they could place a tariff on US made goods so the same number of man hours is accounted for.
And for the countries that do not apply tariffs on each other, trade between them will flourish.
Trump if anything has shown that trade dependancy on the USA is a dangerous thing and that other countries must broaden their trading partners. This has reduced the impact the US economy will have in the rest of the world, and has reduced the influence the USA can exert.
The countries are listening to Trumps words with "no deal is better than a bad deal".
The alternative is to set up software hubs in those other countries.
It will be just like hardware really, the design, testing, etc etc will be done in the USA, but the construction is done overseas.
Over all it will not see much change in the number of US citizens employed in the USA, it will mean that those H-1B jobs simply get filled overseas. The US government looses the income tax paid, and other countries benefit. Long term, the knowledge and skills that gets transferred to another country will improve the knowledge and skills available in that other country, success breeds success. It could see even MORE US jobs going.
Capitalism is a wonderfull thing, it means the USA can get their shoes cheaper, but it also means companies will seek lower wage economies.
There is no law to say USA wages must be higher. Competition is a double edged sword
I wonder if the clothes etc Trump buys in from China for his own golf courses will see a 10% tariff, same with the stuff Ivanka sells.... nah no tariff on their stuff.
However, the 96% of the worlds population who are NOT US citizens would like to invoke Trumpian politics and say "USA LAST" and this trade war is yours, not ours. Also No deal with the US is better than a bad deal with the US.
The ONLY thing that will stop these large corporations is 2-3 years jail time for senior management.
Paying fines does not work, they simply view that as a cost of doing business.
How about a compulsory compensation payment equal to 10% of the impacted users income.
And if they are unable to pay, a 3 year minimum prison sentence for the CEO, COO, etc.
THAT will give the victims compensation AND force these companies to actually give a damn.
Just think, if your information was given the same weight a music track they would have the potential for an $800 Billion fine and prison time.
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Just worked to death, I am just surprised it happened at Google rather than an Amazon fulfilment centre, though I guess Amazon can ship the bodies elsewhere...
No, you have lost simply because of time.
The USA did not have to completely rebuild after WWII, unlike all of Europe and Asia. The USA was able to sell stuff that the world needed, an in the 1950's the USA accounted for 60% of the entire worlds GDP. The World then required the USA.
By the mid 1970s the rebuild was done, world manufacturing, food production, etc etc was producing surplus so the other countries traded among themselves, leaving the USA out of the loop. This trend has simply continued. Currently the USA is about 19% of the worlds GDP, and all other things being equal will get as low as 4% (the US population being 4% of the world population).
The rest of the world is competing, that's all that has happened. And that trend will continue to happen.
Technology has become cheap, no longer do you need to run underground cables for telephones, a shipping container flown in can have a remote town with cellphone coverage up and running in days. Computers are cheap, ebooks are cheap, information is cheap.
The US needs to come to terms that it is not number 1, nor is it irreplaceable, this is simply a fact, ANYTHING the US makes could be sourced from elsewhere, sure there may be delays until production meets demand, but it can happen. And its the same with software, the tools are free, the skills transportable, and if the reports of chinese hackers are not over blown, China has those skills already.
And all the US manufacturing job that went to Asia learned a different lesson.
Software is a skill that can be learned and that skill can be used in any country in the world.
It is simply US arrogance that keeps it believing that only the USA can produce good software. I am sure the US manufacturing sector had exactly the same views back in the 1960s and 1970's.
Yahoo also had that view, they were too big, too important, too special to fail.
See you think it's just about wages. Why can it not be about economic advantage. Why should a worker in a poor country be disadvantaged simply because they can not afford automation. ?
Peak US wages was in the 1970's. In reals terms US wages have been falling since then.
You do understand that 60% of the worlds population lives in Asia, not the USA (only 4%)
There is also Europe to consider.
You do understand that delays TO the USA are just as long as the delays FROM the USA.
Sorry, but the USA is NOT the centre of the universe. And more and more US corporations are earning more from the rest of the world than the USA, the US has become a secondary market. The real consumer growth is is Asia, not the USA.
But keep believing what you believe, it will then come as a rude shock when software goes the same way as manufacturing.
FB lies more than Trump.
Are you under the illusion it can not work ?
Software as an industry is still young, but the entry costs are rapidly falling.
Development boards are now throw away items they are so cheap.
Compilers are free
The barriers to teaching , learning, and entry are practically gone for software development.
The advantage the US once had where they could afford the tools has gone.
Open Source software has also supplied a free example of code to learn from
The people who had been gaining experience under the visa schemes go back to their own countries taking the skills they learned with them
Off Shoring can and will work long term.
And for countries that lack automation, they could place a tariff on US made goods so the same number of man hours is accounted for.
And for the countries that do not apply tariffs on each other, trade between them will flourish.
Trump if anything has shown that trade dependancy on the USA is a dangerous thing and that other countries must broaden their trading partners. This has reduced the impact the US economy will have in the rest of the world, and has reduced the influence the USA can exert.
The countries are listening to Trumps words with "no deal is better than a bad deal".
This trade war is one the USA is loosing.
No, the rest of the world knows there is nothing inherently "great" about the USA or its products.
Other countries can and do catch up and surpass the USA.
And to the 96% of the worlds population that are NOT US citizens, they consider US labour foreign, should all US exports also get a tariff on them ?
Neither did Japanese and Korean cars and electronics. Things change, especially when time and investment are made.
That was said about Japanese cars too.
The alternative is to set up software hubs in those other countries.
It will be just like hardware really, the design, testing, etc etc will be done in the USA, but the construction is done overseas.
Over all it will not see much change in the number of US citizens employed in the USA, it will mean that those H-1B jobs simply get filled overseas. The US government looses the income tax paid, and other countries benefit. Long term, the knowledge and skills that gets transferred to another country will improve the knowledge and skills available in that other country, success breeds success. It could see even MORE US jobs going.
Capitalism is a wonderfull thing, it means the USA can get their shoes cheaper, but it also means companies will seek lower wage economies.
There is no law to say USA wages must be higher. Competition is a double edged sword
His gut worked so well that he's been married 3 times and has had multiple bankruptcies. Captain Covfefe is a moron.
Hey...Captain Covfefe is a very stable genius .
This is Trump level stupid.
When the hell was that ?? The US has always treated its "friends" with contempt.
I wonder if the clothes etc Trump buys in from China for his own golf courses will see a 10% tariff, same with the stuff Ivanka sells.... nah no tariff on their stuff.
The USA are not the good guys either.
https://www.theguardian.com/bo...
However, the 96% of the worlds population who are NOT US citizens would like to invoke Trumpian politics and say "USA LAST" and this trade war is yours, not ours. Also No deal with the US is better than a bad deal with the US.
Perhaps that 2 Billion in subsidies to Amazon should instead go to the public transport which improves the lives of 5 million citizens a day.
The ONLY thing that will stop these large corporations is 2-3 years jail time for senior management. Paying fines does not work, they simply view that as a cost of doing business.
0% of facebook employee trust facebook.
How about a compulsory compensation payment equal to 10% of the impacted users income.
And if they are unable to pay, a 3 year minimum prison sentence for the CEO, COO, etc.
THAT will give the victims compensation AND force these companies to actually give a damn.
Just think, if your information was given the same weight a music track they would have the potential for an $800 Billion fine and prison time.
Nothing is free. There is ALWAYS a catch.