While I disagree with your Troll mod (I think a lot of moderators mod based in UID), it would of course depend on the circumstances. In the one case I believe it was a grandmother whose grandchildren had done the downloading. In that case, I would not have taken the (in that case) extortionist "deal". If I was actually guilty, there is a very good chance I would take the offer. Regardless of the deal offered, the final punishment was unfair. Plain. Simple. As a father, I teach my children right and wrong. If my oldest makes a mistake, I do not beat her. I use an appropriate punishment (usually timeout). I often give her the option to correct her behaviour, or to go sit in timeout on her own. When she choses the third option of ignoring me, the punishment does not increase by a factor of 50.
This is worse than Orrin's idea of destroying remotely all computers that have ever downloaded an mp3. In the very best case scenario, it will take her DECADES to pay off. In what world is that fair?
You, sir, have caused me to lift my automatic -6 AC filter. I was about to reply to the GP, pointing out how wrong he was, but when I saw a hidden comment I checked it first. Your words are better than any I could say, but I would like to add just a quick thought.
I make $24,000/yr. I am not a single parent, but we are a single income family (of 4). While I aspire to make more in the next decade (I sure hope so, we're currently pretty poor). At my current wage it would take about 12 years, putting all of my after-tax wages directly toward the debt. Never mind a car/bus fair to travel to work. Never mind a home. Or eating. Or clothes. You get the idea.
Lots of people make $50,000/yr or more, but lets not forget that a great many people do not. I don't personally use filesharing software (I did briefly back in the Napster days), but if I did should I be able to be fined 12 years income? I *would* be completely ruined. Yeah, if you can't pay you shouldn't play. And I personally don't. But come on, you can't convince me this is fair. The bastards running Enron didn't have nearly as much done to them proportionately & I personally thing what they did was worse than downloading music with software that by default re-shares it out.
Punishment should fit crimes. This was not Justice.
I seem to recall one went into the database/vault/whatever you wanna call it in more detail than the other (I think it was the first one), any other Halperin fans out there?
PS: If you haven't read either / both, both are available for download & IMHO well worth the time.
Sorry to get your site slashdotted, James:)
I don't give a crap about recycling. It's a PITA compared to just tossing [whatever].
I do care a *lot* about energy efficiency. Electricity costs money, and here in Texas we're more than a little higher than the national average. My TV plugs into a switchable plug (turned off at night & prolonged periods of non-use), as does every all but 2 devices in my home that can draw power in "standby" (my VCR & a remote-controlled switch that other stuff plugs into - I hate resetting the VCR clock & the handiness of a remote to turn the other stuff on makes it worth it to me). I'm no tree-hugger, but I do manage to have the smallest electrical bill of my neighbours while not living in a dark room with no toys:).
A lot of non-treehuggers care about efficiency because they are cheap buggers (like me).
- If you are a mod and couldn't get past the first line before using the troll/flamebait mod, please edit your preferences to not get mod points. You obviously don't know how to use them. If this message causes you do mod flamebate, go ahead;-)
Yeah, photography is a different animal now that everything is digital.
I did the wedding scene very briefly, I'd rather shoot just for fun (although once and a while someone will talk me into doing a shoot for them or want to buy a print or two - the occasional 'surprise money' is nice). Trying to shoot pro would be among the best ways for my family to actually be less poor than we are now:)
When you are the rare person on/. with a wife & 2 small children, this is not *always* possible. I rent a crappy apartment, we have 1 car, haven't eaten out since at least February, no cell phone, only borrowed (read neighbour's unsecured) wifi, you name it & we are doing it. I'm the kinda guy that pokes fun at tree-huggers, but I'm probably greener than a lot of them - electricity/gas/whatever costs money!
I currently make just under 30 in DFW, if not for side work, we wouldn't make it. Your advice would be well taken by many here, I am sure, just remember not everyone *can* live under their means if their means are small and their needs are great (I could live very comfortably as a bachelor on 30,000 but not with kids). Yes, a wife and kids were my choice, but I shouldn't have to chose between a family and the ability to have a decent job.
My point (since you seem to have missed it) is that it he did something about something he felt to be an injustice. I don't understand your usage of the word "considering", I think you meant "comparing" and no, as I said, I do not think they are the same thing. We all have two options: fight the injustices we see (big or small) or sit on our *** and whine about people doing so.
It is a pretty minor injustice to be treated like a criminal for shopping at a store, but can be seen as an injustice. Rosa could have walked. She chose to take the bus. He could have gone to a different store, he chose not to. He did something. You whine. I have not said that I agree with his fight, but I'll defend to death his right to do so. I would rather see him fight a fight I disagree with than watch him be part of Generation Apathy.
Curious, would you think less of Rosa Parks if she sat in the front intending to start what she did?
While this guy may be no Rosa Parks, he saw an injustice & did what was in his power to draw attention to it to fight it. Some consider that an admirable quality.
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While I disagree with your Troll mod (I think a lot of moderators mod based in UID), it would of course depend on the circumstances. In the one case I believe it was a grandmother whose grandchildren had done the downloading. In that case, I would not have taken the (in that case) extortionist "deal". If I was actually guilty, there is a very good chance I would take the offer. Regardless of the deal offered, the final punishment was unfair. Plain. Simple. As a father, I teach my children right and wrong. If my oldest makes a mistake, I do not beat her. I use an appropriate punishment (usually timeout). I often give her the option to correct her behaviour, or to go sit in timeout on her own. When she choses the third option of ignoring me, the punishment does not increase by a factor of 50.
This is worse than Orrin's idea of destroying remotely all computers that have ever downloaded an mp3. In the very best case scenario, it will take her DECADES to pay off. In what world is that fair?
You, sir, have caused me to lift my automatic -6 AC filter. I was about to reply to the GP, pointing out how wrong he was, but when I saw a hidden comment I checked it first. Your words are better than any I could say, but I would like to add just a quick thought.
I make $24,000/yr. I am not a single parent, but we are a single income family (of 4). While I aspire to make more in the next decade (I sure hope so, we're currently pretty poor). At my current wage it would take about 12 years, putting all of my after-tax wages directly toward the debt. Never mind a car/bus fair to travel to work. Never mind a home. Or eating. Or clothes. You get the idea.
Lots of people make $50,000/yr or more, but lets not forget that a great many people do not. I don't personally use filesharing software (I did briefly back in the Napster days), but if I did should I be able to be fined 12 years income? I *would* be completely ruined. Yeah, if you can't pay you shouldn't play. And I personally don't. But come on, you can't convince me this is fair. The bastards running Enron didn't have nearly as much done to them proportionately & I personally thing what they did was worse than downloading music with software that by default re-shares it out.
Punishment should fit crimes. This was not Justice.
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The Truth Machine or The First Immortal anyone?
:)
I seem to recall one went into the database/vault/whatever you wanna call it in more detail than the other (I think it was the first one), any other Halperin fans out there?
PS: If you haven't read either / both, both are available for download & IMHO well worth the time.
Sorry to get your site slashdotted, James
Screw the "will work for food guy", I found my new 3 hour a day job ...
I hear they're about to release Duke Nukem Forever ...
I don't give a crap about recycling. It's a PITA compared to just tossing [whatever].
:).
;-)
I do care a *lot* about energy efficiency. Electricity costs money, and here in Texas we're more than a little higher than the national average. My TV plugs into a switchable plug (turned off at night & prolonged periods of non-use), as does every all but 2 devices in my home that can draw power in "standby" (my VCR & a remote-controlled switch that other stuff plugs into - I hate resetting the VCR clock & the handiness of a remote to turn the other stuff on makes it worth it to me). I'm no tree-hugger, but I do manage to have the smallest electrical bill of my neighbours while not living in a dark room with no toys
A lot of non-treehuggers care about efficiency because they are cheap buggers (like me).
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If you are a mod and couldn't get past the first line before using the troll/flamebait mod, please edit your preferences to not get mod points. You obviously don't know how to use them. If this message causes you do mod flamebate, go ahead
Perhaps math is your real problem? :)
Yeah, photography is a different animal now that everything is digital.
:)
I did the wedding scene very briefly, I'd rather shoot just for fun (although once and a while someone will talk me into doing a shoot for them or want to buy a print or two - the occasional 'surprise money' is nice). Trying to shoot pro would be among the best ways for my family to actually be less poor than we are now
Apologies for both replying to my own post and how amusing my sig looked on that last post :)
When you are the rare person on /. with a wife & 2 small children, this is not *always* possible. I rent a crappy apartment, we have 1 car, haven't eaten out since at least February, no cell phone, only borrowed (read neighbour's unsecured) wifi, you name it & we are doing it. I'm the kinda guy that pokes fun at tree-huggers, but I'm probably greener than a lot of them - electricity/gas/whatever costs money!
I currently make just under 30 in DFW, if not for side work, we wouldn't make it. Your advice would be well taken by many here, I am sure, just remember not everyone *can* live under their means if their means are small and their needs are great (I could live very comfortably as a bachelor on 30,000 but not with kids). Yes, a wife and kids were my choice, but I shouldn't have to chose between a family and the ability to have a decent job.
My point (since you seem to have missed it) is that it he did something about something he felt to be an injustice. I don't understand your usage of the word "considering", I think you meant "comparing" and no, as I said, I do not think they are the same thing. We all have two options: fight the injustices we see (big or small) or sit on our *** and whine about people doing so.
It is a pretty minor injustice to be treated like a criminal for shopping at a store, but can be seen as an injustice. Rosa could have walked. She chose to take the bus. He could have gone to a different store, he chose not to. He did something. You whine. I have not said that I agree with his fight, but I'll defend to death his right to do so. I would rather see him fight a fight I disagree with than watch him be part of Generation Apathy.
Curious, would you think less of Rosa Parks if she sat in the front intending to start what she did?
While this guy may be no Rosa Parks, he saw an injustice & did what was in his power to draw attention to it to fight it. Some consider that an admirable quality.
Wow, only 1/3rd the way through & we've been Godwinned.
'course, I agree with ya. I don't go anywhere without my ACLU Bustcard [PDF warning].
Meh, I can point out the EU on a map when I'm sober.
New 9GB Drive?
Exercise? You must be new here.
Yeah, I'm glad there is no meme like that on /.
Sign me up - there's no way MSN will ever go evil on us ...
Crap. I *really* liked that idea.
I think he meant Alberto.
Speaking of nonsense, I think I found my next sig:
;)
"The US is the most technologically advanced nation in the country"
Thanks
Actually, +5 Informative would have been frightening (if anything would). One can actually originate insight from time to time ...
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See? That deserves a +x Insightful even though I "made it up"
This one's got the dogs, anyway ...