But first, let's note that this was published in The Sun, on par with the US National Enquirer (supermarket tabloid), and most known for its Page 3 girls.
But then name? I'd have made the 'bot a little older... and then the name, would of course, have been Helen O'Loy.
Oh, great, so then we'll have to listen to idiots not only talking LOUDER but screaming into their cellphones in public places... or in offices with bad reception....
There's a lot of us out here with degrees that are having a hell of a time getting jobs. Partly, it's competition, but to a larger degree, it seems to be HR departments (95%) and recruiters (apparently down to 50%-60%) who *insist* on not only degrees, but want certifications (even when they're irrelevant), *and* want you to be "fresh", as though we're some sort of fruit that bruises and spoils if we're not working now, or through last week at the latest.
As for "or equivalent experience" - back in '88, I was living in Austin, TX. At the time, I only had an AA (two year degree, for those outside the US), but over seven years experience. I applied for a job with the state. Had a good interview, then got a call from the manager at their HR (someone named Genie), who told me, in so many words, that although the ad said "or equivalent experience", she'd decided that she wouldn't accept that, and so wouldn't allow me to be hired, since I didn't have a 4-year degree.
by Jerome K. Jerome, published 1889 (yes, I *did* say the 19th century). Somewhere in the first ten pages, Our Narrator goes to a library, and finds a medical textbook to find if he has a certain disease, and flips it open. By the time he's done, he thinks he has everything in the book (other than housemaid's knees).
Read the book. The first half is hysterical, and the last half a lyrical paen to the Themes Valley of England.
Yes, the Monty Python crew made a movie of it, but the book's still better.
I want every state to mandate jamming all cell phone signals in all schools (that is, under college). There is absolutely no need to anyone in class to use one. NONE.
...of young and older. For one, the young folks will come in with new ideas. On the other hand, the old hands will be able to say when they *are* new ideas... and when they're not, and have been tried, and are disasters.
For another... back in the mid-nineties, I worked for Ameritech, one of the Baby Bells, I was the sr. technical resource under my director, so over the course of two years, they dragged me in to do the technical part of the interview for all five teams; I interviewed over 40 people. What I was looking for was what they actually knew, and where any might be bs'ing us. One of my questions for right-out-of-school was, "what's the longest program you've ever worked on?" Most were 1200 or 2000 lines. Our system was nearing a million lines of code. It takes real experience to deal with that many files, and that much code: you hand the new folks the smaller things, so that they can learn how to actually do it, not just hacking together whatever it takes to make your grade.
I was just working with a young woman - her second job out of college. I was one of two admins, she a developer. She did a real good job, apparently, to get the first cut of the portal up - enough so that our manager promoted her to team lead on that portal group. I have *never* heard a team lead go around to the rest of the group once, or even twice a day, and spend so much time explaining how things worked (mostly, that she'd written). Several of the other developers who worked on that told me that her code was a nightmare to work on or enhance. Actually, some of them got moved to other portals we were working on, so as to not have to deal with her, or her code.
That's why you need experienced developers. I probably shouldn't say this, since I'm job hunting right now, but one of my standard interview lines is that I try to do elegant, as opposed to clever, code. If I get a phone call at 16:00 on Friday, or 02:00, I do *not* want to spend hours figuring out how I'd been clever a year ago....
Remember, getting it working is the barest beginning. Then there's maintenance, and enhancement, and someone else years down the line doing it.
Toss one planet into another. Or, if you *really* need Force, grab a planet from a parallel universe where the *slowest* you can go is the speed of light, and toss it back into our universe at the planet of the Evil Ploor and its sun.
It go boom....
mark
"My name is Kimball Kinnison
I lead the Lensman band
Although we're few in numbers,
Our abilities are grand. We play with stars and comets,
Catch planets in a net And use a supernova
To light our cigarette"
- Poul Anderson
Gee, and here all the libertarians I know, including ESR, think they're more radical than "merely" conservative.
But that's ok. We've got a *massive* MANDATE to bring socialism to the US. Meanwhile, you, personally, and all those using libertarian rhetoric have *proven* that it doesn't work, as demonstrated by the Republican-deregulated financial industry. We've had demonstrated that your ideas are a not merely a total failure, but lead directly to fraud and massive theft, and pain for the other 95% of us.
You're right - I want *YOU* pushing your belongings in a shopping cart, while the rest of us get good jobs rebuilding what your kind let fall to shreds, in the name of increasing profits.
mark "free market hypotheses are *so* 20th Century"
The American Enterprise Inst. is a right-wing business think-tank. The Cato Inst. is self-described as a libertarian think-tank.
Where are organizations such as the Democratic Socialists of America, or the anarchist-syndicalist IWW? If you're going to have spokespeople for the extreme right, why not for the actual *left* - and please, do *not* give me the abysmally ignorant, brainwashed US argument that confuses the wimps, er, liberals, with the real left, and socialists. Doing so only demonstrates to those of us on the left in the US, and to everyone else outside the US, just how ignorant you are.
I have yet to read a single report, in '02, or '04, '06, or so far this year, where a vote for the Republicans was flipped to Democratic. Not one. It's *ALWAYS* Dem to Repugnantcan.
In the mid-eighties, under St. Ronnie, the IRS rolled out a complete disaster. After 15 or so years, they rolled out both new hardware *and* new software. The new software had been written by mostly inexperienced, just out of college (if that) programmers. The *entire* codebase was rewritten from assembly to COBOL.
a) They did *not* run the old code in parallel, and b) the inexperienced programmers, and their PHB managers, put code in with *no* checkpoints,
so that programs that would run for literally a week, straight, yes, I mean 168 hours or so,
if they had a fatal error, would have to be *rerun* from start.
There were reports in the mainstream media of IRS employees literally shredding returns, so they wouldn't have to process them, they were so behind. Refunds came *months* late.
Ah, the joys of Republican administrations, going out of their way to make *sure* government doesn't work.
I want to know what this control panel isn't either part of flashplayer, or separately downloadable. I *REALLY* dislike having to go to their website to clean crap on my system....
I've seen ads for "entry level, 1-3 yrs experience" (can you say cognitive dissonance?). On the other side, as someone with a long career - 15+ yrs programming, when I was out during most of the first part of the Bush Depression, I literally got idiots telling me I "wasn't fresh", as though I was some kind of bruised fruit, and had forgotten everything I'd done over decades.
Actually, one of them, I got mad, and asked her if she were to take a year off to have a kid, if she'd never get a job in her field again, since she wasn't "fresh". That actually got through to her, and she did put me in....
The only way is around HR. Either make contacts, as others have suggested, or find a friend to do work for, even if they don't pay you, so you can claim you're employed as a programmer, or, if you can, find a recruiter (their account managers talk to actual hiring managers, and so get around HR) that actually knows what they're talking about, and what's actually needed, to help you get a foot in the door.
Come the Revolution, we won't waste ammunition. We'll escort HR into the parking lot, toss some asphalt on them, and PAVE THEM INTO THE PARKING LOT.
Janis Ian, who us folkies know, and the rest of you don't, and who's been a well-known musician since the sixties, wrote about the RIAA and the music industry when the RIAA came up. Among other things, she noted that many artists make a lot of their income by selling CDs at their own concerts... and are *screwed* by the record companies. "BMG has a strict policy for artists buying their own CDs to sell at concerts - $11 per CD"!!!
So, yeah, if the RIAA did *anything* for the artists, that would be nice. Instead, it *only* does it for the recording industry... and how many times have you read that a poor musician, who (of course) has no health insurance) had to sue the record company for their money? Arlo Guthrie has said that it only took him ->THIRTY YEARS- to "make money" for his record company, so that they'd give him money.
I understand that it's easy to defeat lie detectors - you just make yourself believe what you say, or else you literally don't *care* what you're saying.
Real bad guys will be easily capable of this. It's the complete amateurs who would probably be noticed by folks around them.
Oh, along with folks who get nervous about flying....
Excerpt: A chief executive was beaten to death as he tried to pacify a group of workers sacked from his manufacturing plant, Indian police said today.
Lalit Kishore Choudhary, 47, bled to death inside the car parts factory yesterday after being attacked by more than 130 men.
Police have arrested 63 former employees of Graziano Transmissioni India in connection with his death. Another 73 are facing charges of disturbing the peace. --- end excerpt ---
mark "ah, and we should be loyal to the company why?"
This is garbage, and just like the "smart bombs" (right, being fired into a city of 7M (Baghdad), they only hit bad guys (tm)). And then there's all the high-tech weapons on the attack jets... the ones that are hitting civilians, or dropping bombs on wedding parties.
The only intelligence is behind the drivers seat, and there ain't much in this administration who's at the wheel.
So, will all military references be removed for educational purposes, or is this an attempt to militarize education, and sucker more kids into the US military, for more colonialism and adventurism?
And before anyone starts arguing, are *you* in the military? If not, and you agree with the miltitarization of education, and you are in your 20s or thirties, and not incapacitated, what excuse do you have for *not* being in the military, right now?
Oh, I see, like Dick Cheney: you have "other agendas" (read, get rich, and risk somebody else's kid's neck for your money).
To take the external tanks for the Shuttle the rest of the way into orbit, and do just that.
And my wife, a former NASA engineer at KSC, says that management refused, because "that's not the way we've always done it".
And I hope this puts a bug up the anti-civilian-space Republican ass, that the Chinese may have put another space station into orbit in only a year or so, instead of the dozen years for Station.
No, it's management, who are no longer the folks who said, "failure is not an option", but are the time fillers who want their pension.
Since my wife, who worked as an engineer on the Shuttle and Station at KSC for 17 years (through 2001) tells me this about management there, I believe her. She also says they don't have enough *techs*, but they use the money for more, and more well-paid (and unqualified) managers.
Why do you *think* we don't have a replacement for the Shuttle *now*? What takes nearly 30 years, and nothing available (except Soyuz)?
She says to fire all managers over GS-13, hire *no* one who's not an engineer (one of her former managers "used to brag that his degree was in typing"). There should be *no* technician jobs unfilled before any new managers are hired.
Hey, if "flattening management structure" was good for US business, why not NASA?
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But first, let's note that this was published in The Sun, on par with the US National Enquirer (supermarket tabloid), and most known for its Page 3 girls.
But then name? I'd have made the 'bot a little older... and then the name, would of course, have been Helen O'Loy.
mark
Oh, great, so then we'll have to listen to idiots not only talking LOUDER but screaming into their cellphones in public places... or in offices with bad reception....
mark
There's a lot of us out here with degrees that are having a hell of a time getting jobs. Partly, it's competition, but to a larger degree, it seems to be HR departments (95%) and recruiters (apparently down to 50%-60%) who *insist* on not only degrees, but want certifications (even when they're irrelevant), *and* want you to be "fresh", as though we're some sort of fruit that bruises and spoils if we're not working now, or through last week at the latest.
As for "or equivalent experience" - back in '88, I was living in Austin, TX. At the time, I only had an AA (two year degree, for those outside the US), but over seven years experience. I applied for a job with the state. Had a good interview, then got a call from the manager at their HR (someone named Genie), who told me, in so many words, that although the ad said "or equivalent experience", she'd decided that she wouldn't accept that, and so wouldn't allow me to be hired, since I didn't have a 4-year degree.
It's bad out here.
mark
by Jerome K. Jerome, published 1889 (yes, I *did* say the 19th century). Somewhere in the first ten pages, Our Narrator goes to a library, and finds a medical textbook to find if he has a certain disease, and flips it open. By the time he's done, he thinks he has everything in the book (other than housemaid's knees).
Read the book. The first half is hysterical, and the last half a lyrical paen to the Themes Valley of England.
Yes, the Monty Python crew made a movie of it, but the book's still better.
mark
I want every state to mandate jamming all cell phone signals in all schools (that is, under college). There is absolutely no need to anyone in class to use one. NONE.
mark
...of young and older. For one, the young folks will come in with new ideas. On the other hand, the old hands will be able to say when they *are* new ideas... and when they're not, and have been tried, and are disasters.
For another... back in the mid-nineties, I worked for Ameritech, one of the Baby Bells, I was the sr. technical resource under my director, so over the course of two years, they dragged me in to do the technical part of the interview for all five teams; I interviewed over 40 people. What I was looking for was what they actually knew, and where any might be bs'ing us. One of my questions for right-out-of-school was, "what's the longest program you've ever worked on?" Most were 1200 or 2000 lines. Our system was nearing a million lines of code. It takes real experience to deal with that many files, and that much code: you hand the new folks the smaller things, so that they can learn how to actually do it, not just hacking together whatever it takes to make your grade.
I was just working with a young woman - her second job out of college. I was one of two admins, she a developer. She did a real good job, apparently, to get the first cut of the portal up - enough so that our manager promoted her to team lead on that portal group. I have *never* heard a team lead go around to the rest of the group once, or even twice a day, and spend so much time explaining how things worked (mostly, that she'd written). Several of the other developers who worked on that told me that her code was a nightmare to work on or enhance. Actually, some of them got moved to other portals we were working on, so as to not have to deal with her, or her code.
That's why you need experienced developers. I probably shouldn't say this, since I'm job hunting right now, but one of my standard interview lines is that I try to do elegant, as opposed to clever, code. If I get a phone call at 16:00 on Friday, or 02:00, I do *not* want to spend hours figuring out how I'd been clever a year ago....
Remember, getting it working is the barest beginning. Then there's maintenance, and enhancement, and someone else years down the line doing it.
mark
Toss one planet into another. Or, if you *really* need Force, grab a planet from a parallel universe where the *slowest* you can go is the speed of light, and toss it back into our universe at the planet of the Evil Ploor and its sun.
It go boom....
mark
"My name is Kimball Kinnison
I lead the Lensman band
Although we're few in numbers,
Our abilities are grand.
We play with stars and comets,
Catch planets in a net
And use a supernova
To light our cigarette"
- Poul Anderson
My fav: gsub(/^ +| +$/, "", string);
No more leading or trailing blanks in one swell foop.
mark
Gee, and here all the libertarians I know, including ESR, think they're more radical than "merely" conservative.
But that's ok. We've got a *massive* MANDATE to bring socialism to the US. Meanwhile, you, personally, and all those using libertarian rhetoric have *proven* that it doesn't work, as demonstrated by the Republican-deregulated financial industry. We've had demonstrated that your ideas are a not merely a total failure, but lead directly to fraud and massive theft, and pain for the other 95% of us.
You're right - I want *YOU* pushing your belongings in a shopping cart, while the rest of us get good jobs rebuilding what your kind let fall to shreds, in the name of increasing profits.
mark "free market hypotheses are *so* 20th Century"
The American Enterprise Inst. is a right-wing business think-tank. The Cato Inst. is self-described as a libertarian think-tank.
Where are organizations such as the Democratic Socialists of America, or the anarchist-syndicalist IWW? If you're going to have spokespeople for the extreme right, why not for the actual *left* - and please, do *not* give me the abysmally ignorant, brainwashed US argument that confuses the wimps, er, liberals, with the real left, and socialists. Doing so only demonstrates to those of us on the left in the US, and to everyone else outside the US, just how ignorant you are.
mark
I have yet to read a single report, in '02, or '04, '06, or so far this year, where a vote for the Republicans was flipped to Democratic. Not one. It's *ALWAYS* Dem to Repugnantcan.
mark
"You're doin' a hell of a good job, Brownie".
In the mid-eighties, under St. Ronnie, the IRS rolled out a complete disaster. After 15 or so years, they rolled out both new hardware *and* new software. The new software had been written by mostly inexperienced, just out of college (if that) programmers. The *entire* codebase was rewritten from assembly to COBOL.
a) They did *not* run the old code in parallel, and
b) the inexperienced programmers, and their PHB managers, put code in with *no* checkpoints,
so that programs that would run for literally a week, straight, yes, I mean 168 hours or so,
if they had a fatal error, would have to be *rerun* from start.
There were reports in the mainstream media of IRS employees literally shredding returns, so they wouldn't have to process them, they were so behind. Refunds came *months* late.
Ah, the joys of Republican administrations, going out of their way to make *sure* government doesn't work.
mark
I wouldn't buy or d/l 1.0. Now, 1.0.1 or 1.0.2, I would, after it's officially released, and the oops bugs that were missed have been found or fixed.
Calling something version 4, when there's no 1, 2, or 3, would leave me suspicious.
mark
I want to know what this control panel isn't either part of flashplayer, or separately downloadable. I *REALLY* dislike having to go to their website to clean crap on my system....
mark
I've seen ads for "entry level, 1-3 yrs experience" (can you say cognitive dissonance?). On the other side, as someone with a long career - 15+ yrs programming, when I was out during most of the first part of the Bush Depression, I literally got idiots telling me I "wasn't fresh", as though I was some kind of bruised fruit, and had forgotten everything I'd done over decades.
Actually, one of them, I got mad, and asked her if she were to take a year off to have a kid, if she'd never get a job in her field again, since she wasn't "fresh". That actually got through to her, and she did put me in....
The only way is around HR. Either make contacts, as others have suggested, or find a friend to do work for, even if they don't pay you, so you can claim you're employed as a programmer, or, if you can, find a recruiter (their account managers talk to actual hiring managers, and so get around HR) that actually knows what they're talking about, and what's actually needed, to help you get a foot in the door.
Come the Revolution, we won't waste ammunition. We'll escort HR into the parking lot, toss some asphalt on them, and PAVE THEM INTO THE PARKING LOT.
mark
Janis Ian, who us folkies know, and the rest of you don't, and who's been a well-known musician since the sixties, wrote about the RIAA and the music industry when the RIAA came up. Among other things, she noted that many artists make a lot of their income by selling CDs at their own concerts... and are *screwed* by the record companies. "BMG has a strict policy for artists buying their own CDs to sell at concerts - $11 per CD"!!!
So, yeah, if the RIAA did *anything* for the artists, that would be nice. Instead, it *only* does it for the recording industry... and how many times have you read that a poor musician, who (of course) has no health insurance) had to sue the record company for their money? Arlo Guthrie has said that it only took him ->THIRTY YEARS- to "make money" for his record company, so that they'd give him money.
mark
I understand that it's easy to defeat lie detectors - you just make yourself believe what you say, or else you literally don't *care* what you're saying.
Real bad guys will be easily capable of this. It's the complete amateurs who would probably be noticed by folks around them.
Oh, along with folks who get nervous about flying....
mark
Excerpt:
A chief executive was beaten to death as he tried to pacify a group of workers sacked from his manufacturing plant, Indian police said today.
Lalit Kishore Choudhary, 47, bled to death inside the car parts factory yesterday after being attacked by more than 130 men.
Police have arrested 63 former employees of Graziano Transmissioni India in connection with his death. Another 73 are facing charges of disturbing the peace.
--- end excerpt ---
mark "ah, and we should be loyal to the company why?"
Or space blankets?
This is garbage, and just like the "smart bombs" (right, being fired into a city of 7M (Baghdad), they only hit bad guys (tm)). And then there's all the high-tech weapons on the attack jets... the ones that are hitting civilians, or dropping bombs on wedding parties.
The only intelligence is behind the drivers seat, and there ain't much in this administration who's at the wheel.
mark
And claim they notified me in my last bill (buried somewhere in the ads for premium cable).
mark
So, will all military references be removed for educational purposes, or is this an attempt to militarize education, and sucker more kids into the US military, for more colonialism and adventurism?
And before anyone starts arguing, are *you* in the military? If not, and you agree with the miltitarization of education, and you are in your 20s or thirties, and not incapacitated, what excuse do you have for *not* being in the military, right now?
Oh, I see, like Dick Cheney: you have "other agendas" (read, get rich, and risk somebody else's kid's neck for your money).
mark
I followed the link to the picture.
Didn't *anyone* realize that it's a giant egg? And when it hatches, it's going to come in-system for food?
mark "it's hatching...arrrrghghghghghghhh....."
To take the external tanks for the Shuttle the rest of the way into orbit, and do just that.
And my wife, a former NASA engineer at KSC, says that management refused, because "that's not the way we've always done it".
And I hope this puts a bug up the anti-civilian-space Republican ass, that the Chinese may have put another space station into orbit in only a year or so, instead of the dozen years for Station.
mark
How is this different, other than in hand-waving verbiage, than the comments you could add/embed in a GIF?
mark
No, it's management, who are no longer the folks who said, "failure is not an option", but are the time fillers who want their pension.
Since my wife, who worked as an engineer on the Shuttle and Station at KSC for 17 years (through 2001) tells me this about management there, I believe her. She also says they don't have enough *techs*, but they use the money for more, and more well-paid (and unqualified) managers.
Why do you *think* we don't have a replacement for the Shuttle *now*? What takes nearly 30 years, and nothing available (except Soyuz)?
She says to fire all managers over GS-13, hire *no* one who's not an engineer (one of her former managers "used to brag that his degree was in typing"). There should be *no* technician jobs unfilled before any new managers are hired.
Hey, if "flattening management structure" was good for US business, why not NASA?
mark "preferably with a hammer"