Okay, fair enough. As you're logged in I apologise to you for not doing my research properly... BTW I'd not come across Gini before - the concept of wealth inequality being an important social factor yes, but not this explicit measure - thanks!
I may be wrong, I've been unable to verify this absolutely, but I thought the whole point of the CIA World Fact Book was that it's prepared using the U.S.'s own data..?
Just out of curiosity, what actualy make a business evil or unethical?
IMHO it's the fact that companies/corporations can operate as legal entities, without making the people on the board of those companies personably liable for the decisions they make.
I'm sure this has been covered here before, but wasn't there some court decision in the 1920s that allowed this to happen? Until this is reversed (yeah, right!) this is just going to get worse and worse. If the worst that's going to happen to you for maximizing shareholder value by, ooh, say, dumping your waste in the nearest river, instead of dealing with it responsibly and safely, is that your company gets fined, then businesses are just going to treat the fine as an operating expense and keep right on doing what they're doing, with our blessing because their share value pays for our pensions. We'll all fucked.
and how much military action have you seen? How old are you by the way? Does your mum know you're up? To die fighting to _defend_ your country may be an honourable thing, but please... and please don't give me that "Iraq had noo-killer weapons" rubbish.
Now, if you excuse me, I will go to McD to enjoy fruits of global world.;)
Hmm, fruits. Sorry, but I've got to ask, how much do you weigh and what's your cholesterol count? I keep hearing about how great globalisation is 'n' stuff, but to me it seems to be killing people...
Hehe... $ javac jprog.java $ time -p java jprog real 29.70 user 29.62 sys 0.03 $ cc -o jprog jprog.c $ time -p./jprog real 55.46 user 55.35 sys 0.02 What was your point again?
have a startOS CD that only booted into a nice graphical interface, and then asked you what OS you wanted to install
Pretty much what Compaq used to do with their 'servers' back when I used to install and commision them (it may be different now). I forget the brand name, but you'd stick this CD in which would "configure the hardware" (no indication of what it was doing) and then ask for the OS disk, and the licencing info. Too bad the vendor-specific versions of the OSes (NT, SCO OpenServer, ah those where (NOT) the days...) then led you down the road to dependancy hell... ah yes, SmartStart, that was it. Anyone else unfortunate enough to remember that?
Hmm, does it do 3d texturing properly? I've got a 9200LE [spit] which works lovely with the xorg radeon driver except for the above, AFAIK. Which I wanted to use. Damn...:(
Correct me if I'm wrong (this _is_/.) but isn't the whole point about ID the believe that life is so that it _must_ be the work of a creator/designer. If you can prove the intelligent life can evolve without this external influence, the theory is proved false. QED.
Or there was a religion referred to in one one Kurt Vonnegut's excellent books (The Sirens of Titan, IIRC, his first published novel?) called The First Church of God The Utterly Indifferrent. I think it went something like: if there is a god, he's far too important and occuppied to worry about the activities of some obscure ape-like creatures on some insignificant blue planet in the arse-end of nowhere, so just get on with it, and for goodness sake try and be nice to each other, or something. It'd work for me... except I'm a devout atheist.
I'm not sure I am sufficiently qualified to respond to such an eloquent and well-thought out post, but I'll try... I believe that people holding attitudes such as yours are part of the problem. You don't agree with him, so you want to kill him - great. I suppose if you got your wish, you'd then think it was totally unreasonable for members of his family to think that you deserved to be punished? Note the previous poster didn't say we deserved this, he just said (if I may paraphrase) he understood why it happened, and I, for one, agree with that (I'm a British citizen). Do you want to kill me, too? Sheesh,
Even the media just mentions "oh yeah they caught 6 people with enough explosives to blow up a city block today
Funny how most of the reports about arresting "terror suspects" in the British media are never followed up with a report telling you that they've all been released without charge, this in a country were you don't even have to take terrorists to court to put them in prison. You do the math.
Yes we face a possible terrorist threat. Using that as an excuse to deprive citizens of their rights is not justified. There is no correlation between the two, and it is disigenious to suggest otherwise.
References? I absolutely disagree with you. I'd love to show you references that support my point of view but I can't find anything on Google (alright, not a foolproof research methodology, but...) that purports to be terrorists claiming anything either way, but anything I consider to be a sensible analysis has made the point that 9/11 was apparently in retaliation for US involvement in Saudi Arabia. The only people I've heard making statements like the above "They hate us for being infidels", (or you may remember "They hate freedom"..?) are western politicians. You believe them, I don't. We'll have to agree to disagree.
Western Culture is dying because of this stupidity
Really? Supporting arguments? References?
Obviously, 'something must be done', but passing more laws is not it. I absolutely agree with previous post that we can expect more draconian legislation which will deprive us of our liberty. Exactly how has all our (I'm British) recently legislation prevented today's incident? The 'something that should be done', should be done by the security services, who don't _need_ more laws to help them do their job. We have plenty of laws making it illegal to kill people, or to plot to kill people. I'm not criticing the security services (in this instance), they have an impossible job to do. What I am critical of is the way 'my' government (and yours, U.S.) is using the terrorist threat as an excuse to take away the liberty of it's citizens. It seems frighteningly easy to confuse these two issues in people's minds, but they are not the same thing.
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True, but I think that those conflicts have as much to do with territory as religion.
Okay, fair enough. As you're logged in I apologise to you for not doing my research properly... BTW I'd not come across Gini before - the concept of wealth inequality being an important social factor yes, but not this explicit measure - thanks!
I may be wrong, I've been unable to verify this absolutely, but I thought the whole point of the CIA World Fact Book was that it's prepared using the U.S.'s own data..?
Shouldn't that be "_we_ are all a bunch of idiots" since you're here too?
higher poverty rates
Population below poverty line:
France: 6.5%
USA: 12%
Source: CIA - The World Factbook
IMHO it's the fact that companies/corporations can operate as legal entities, without making the people on the board of those companies personably liable for the decisions they make.
I'm sure this has been covered here before, but wasn't there some court decision in the 1920s that allowed this to happen? Until this is reversed (yeah, right!) this is just going to get worse and worse. If the worst that's going to happen to you for maximizing shareholder value by, ooh, say, dumping your waste in the nearest river, instead of dealing with it responsibly and safely, is that your company gets fined, then businesses are just going to treat the fine as an operating expense and keep right on doing what they're doing, with our blessing because their share value pays for our pensions. We'll all fucked.
!!!
and how much military action have you seen? How old are you by the way? Does your mum know you're up? To die fighting to _defend_ your country may be an honourable thing, but please... and please don't give me that "Iraq had noo-killer weapons" rubbish.
Hmm, fruits. Sorry, but I've got to ask, how much do you weigh and what's your cholesterol count? I keep hearing about how great globalisation is 'n' stuff, but to me it seems to be killing people...
Hehe... ./jprog
$ javac jprog.java
$ time -p java jprog
real 29.70
user 29.62
sys 0.03
$ cc -o jprog jprog.c
$ time -p
real 55.46
user 55.35
sys 0.02
What was your point again?
Pretty much what Compaq used to do with their 'servers' back when I used to install and commision them (it may be different now). I forget the brand name, but you'd stick this CD in which would "configure the hardware" (no indication of what it was doing) and then ask for the OS disk, and the licencing info. Too bad the vendor-specific versions of the OSes (NT, SCO OpenServer, ah those where (NOT) the days...) then led you down the road to dependancy hell... ah yes, SmartStart, that was it. Anyone else unfortunate enough to remember that?
Amen to that...
or try doing 80 on a motorcycle in the rain with no face protection...
Hmm, does it do 3d texturing properly? I've got a 9200LE [spit] which works lovely with the xorg radeon driver except for the above, AFAIK. Which I wanted to use. Damn... :(
Then I suggest you don't understand the concept of infinity, sorry.
Correct me if I'm wrong (this _is_ /.) but isn't the whole point about ID the believe that life is so that it _must_ be the work of a creator/designer. If you can prove the intelligent life can evolve without this external influence, the theory is proved false. QED.
And any political voice they might have has been removed by the US & UK supporting their dictatorial governments! Hooray for us, eh chaps?
Or there was a religion referred to in one one Kurt Vonnegut's excellent books (The Sirens of Titan, IIRC, his first published novel?) called The First Church of God The Utterly Indifferrent. I think it went something like: if there is a god, he's far too important and occuppied to worry about the activities of some obscure ape-like creatures on some insignificant blue planet in the arse-end of nowhere, so just get on with it, and for goodness sake try and be nice to each other, or something. It'd work for me... except I'm a devout atheist.
Sorry to be pedantic, but RISK is the board game ;).
I'm not sure I am sufficiently qualified to respond to such an eloquent and well-thought out post, but I'll try... I believe that people holding attitudes such as yours are part of the problem. You don't agree with him, so you want to kill him - great. I suppose if you got your wish, you'd then think it was totally unreasonable for members of his family to think that you deserved to be punished? Note the previous poster didn't say we deserved this, he just said (if I may paraphrase) he understood why it happened, and I, for one, agree with that (I'm a British citizen). Do you want to kill me, too? Sheesh,
Funny how most of the reports about arresting "terror suspects" in the British media are never followed up with a report telling you that they've all been released without charge, this in a country were you don't even have to take terrorists to court to put them in prison. You do the math.
Yes we face a possible terrorist threat. Using that as an excuse to deprive citizens of their rights is not justified. There is no correlation between the two, and it is disigenious to suggest otherwise.
References? I absolutely disagree with you. I'd love to show you references that support my point of view but I can't find anything on Google (alright, not a foolproof research methodology, but...) that purports to be terrorists claiming anything either way, but anything I consider to be a sensible analysis has made the point that 9/11 was apparently in retaliation for US involvement in Saudi Arabia. The only people I've heard making statements like the above "They hate us for being infidels", (or you may remember "They hate freedom"..?) are western politicians. You believe them, I don't. We'll have to agree to disagree.
Really? Supporting arguments? References?
Obviously, 'something must be done', but passing more laws is not it. I absolutely agree with previous post that we can expect more draconian legislation which will deprive us of our liberty. Exactly how has all our (I'm British) recently legislation prevented today's incident? The 'something that should be done', should be done by the security services, who don't _need_ more laws to help them do their job. We have plenty of laws making it illegal to kill people, or to plot to kill people. I'm not criticing the security services (in this instance), they have an impossible job to do. What I am critical of is the way 'my' government (and yours, U.S.) is using the terrorist threat as an excuse to take away the liberty of it's citizens. It seems frighteningly easy to confuse these two issues in people's minds, but they are not the same thing.
So, you can compare apples with apples, but not Apples with Apples..?
Have you tried running the results through the W3C's [X]HTML Validator. That's really the only sensible test...
Sorry, somebody's got to say it, so here goes - THAT'S JUST WRONG, Wrong, so wrong...
[ahem], thanks, I feel better now.