It is a sad state of affairs, when you just know that anything contributed by elected representatives of the people, will not give a different insight into politics, just more disinformation (lies) and spin.
I would not be so sure that the study is misleading or bunk. In my personal experience, it took my kids three years longer to graduate, than it did myself.
I don't think it is because they have any less aptitude, it is just that in the present education system there seems to be less of an emphasis and reward for smart, and more tolerance for stupid. (maybe these are not politically correct words any more, I may be behind the times here)
In other words it used to be that there were classes for the more gifted, and different classes for the less gifted. Now that this distinction is no longer politically correct, somebodies feelings might get hurt, so they just bring everyone down to the lowest common denominator in one class. Is this not the experience with the public education system, and the cookie cutter unionized teachers?
The price will have to be paid for this in the long run, because it is a fact of nature that different people have different aptitudes and capabilities. You can't completely ignore the natural order of things. Equal human rights does not mean equalize their education and capacities to the lowest level.
Here we go again, with another round of science versus religion. This is only failure to see that they are not contridictory, only complimentary. In essence they are both one.
What have I learned about this? When I was young I was taught the creationist theme, just poof and there it was. This just did not sit right in view of all the dinosaur evidence at hand, the poof factor just didn't cut it.
So then I turned to science for acceptable answers, and guess what, there are just as many wing-nuts there. So here goes, and this description is pretty well irrefutable by either party. Every "EFFECT" is preceded by a "CAUSE" nested way back as far as you might want to go, right back to the "First" cause. The thing that translates the Cause into the Effect is of course the "PROCESS".
The religious or the creationists want to talk about the Cause and Effect part, and completely ignore the "Process". The scientists want to ever more finely detail the "Process" explanation, and try to make you believe that they are explaining the "Cause", which they aren't.
I watched a so called scientist on TV explaining what people experience in an NDE. All the crap about oxygen deprivation to the brain and the synapses and neurons yada yada yada. Sort of implying that consciousness originates in the brain. Totally ignoring the obvious fact that the brain is only dirt of the ground, and to dirt of the ground it will return. The real question here is what caused dirt of the ground to organize into a complex brain in the first place, because as soon as that "Cause" is gone the dirt of the ground returns. How can dirt of the ground think? How can black smelly crap turn into a red perfumed rose? Explain Cause - Process - Effect.
In a general sense, and this applies to any sort of training not just IT stuff. They hired you because they decided that your skill set and abilities matched their business need. But as I understand from your posting they then changed something, either about your job, or what you work on or with, and now your skill set no longer matches.
They are RESPONSIBLE to provide the training, and you are RESPONSIBLE to learn.
Yes, just let it go on, sooner or later it will develop into the use of tenure, and the student fees wasted on political campaigning. There is never any corruption connected to politics, right?? So we should let the squeaky clean professors promote their own candidates, why don't we.
MS is never the source of any FUD Oh No! Or was it MS who created and perfected FUD??? If you sling it, you got to expect that you will get it slung back. Or are you really that niave??
Careful here, remember Bill said that Linux and the GPL was communism, (China is also communist I believe) and that he was going to kick the commie ass.
I don't play the game, but from the comments that I see, it seems to have some community and cooperation elements, and not the usual wreck and destroy theme.
Well then, is that not the beginnings of the one world community? The internet dream, that the intensification of global trade and communications has to eventually lead to a "one world language"?
What if the EULA was found to be non enforcable (null and void) because of such a thing as as duress or undue infulence? You know the monopoly thing, you don't have a choice "duress"?
Shadows are very useful, what do you use them for? If you have one of the new Apple/Intel units you may also be able to run Vista with shadows on that as well. Too bad Apple was not selling enough units for IBM to make some money on their very special CPUs. Sony was able to buy enough for a "minimum run" apparently.
Why should Windows users take all the shots? We have to take some shots at the Apple folks too, to keep them on their toes.
Yes artists need to be paid if they make music their occupation. If they cannot make this an occupation where they have a reasonable livelihood why would they do it?
What the looming issue is, that has not come right out and slapped everyone in the face yet, is that because of current and future technology they will not need recording companies to do this. (to make a living that is)
In the days before recording was possible, musicians had to make a living performing before live audiences. And that was their only way to make a living. Also being part of a live audience was the only way people could listen to the music. Then recording came along and the music could be listened to any place and any time, but the musicians and the recording companies wanted a way to make money out of this technology, because at that time they largely controlled this recording tech. But not so any more, the ability to record belongs to the public, which it should have always been. Recording companies should never have had the commercial monopoly, which they took from the inventors of these recording art forms.
Then there is the general upside down way that society and occupations are in general, organized. There are occupations / services that are critical, or key to the survival of culture and society. That would be the producers of food, the designers and builders of homes, the designers and makers of all the various forms of transportation, the designers and makers of all the various forms of information communications, the medical profession and infrastructure, the providers of energy and the raw resources to build homes, transportation and infrastructure.
Then we have entertainment?? Sports, Movies, TV, and Music. Now of the things in the previous paragraph, and of the things listed under entertainment, if society was forced to do without, which ones could we most easily do without? What about food, energy, housing, transportation, communications? Could we do without these and have no hardships??? What about sports, movies, TV, if we did not have these would there be hardships and social breakdown?
So in the end which of these are the most basic and therefore the most important to society??? Then which of these occupations get paid the most??? Is this not upside down compensation? Artists and recording companies want paid for not performing, but for copies of the performances. That would be like doctors wanting to get paid for recordings of operations, so that they did not have to do any more operations, and risk getting malpractice sued.
The value of this whole entertainment thing to society has to be rethought. And does someone (artists and recording companies) deserve payment for recordings of performances?? If the "invisible" technology that they use, and that made this all possible, did not exist, they would have to perform to get paid. So should the inventors of this recording technology, that belongs in the public domain, be able to extract the same kind of taxes from them, for using this recording technology for commercial purposes. Why should they be the commercial beneficiaries, enabled by recording technology, that is an art form that they did not create?
Just to put this all in another perspective, in 2005 the Rolling Stones made $162M from live performances, (actually earned their money) this is a group that is largely all of retirement age. Would this not be enough for their pensions, and if not then how much is enough?
This clearly is the result of the CD age, back in the LP age everyone knew you don't stack em flat, you store them on their edge to prevent warping. Just set the milky way on its edge and the warp will go away.
How do you think that Google can legally get access to video content, by not agreeing to the movie industry terms?? Google does not have to have DRM but then they will not have movie or TV content either. Can you buy a car without seatbelts or air bags???
A computer is just a tool, a computer can present information, a computer program to some extent can be made to interact. So in that respect a computer can do all the same things that a teacher can do.
But like a good teacher or a bad teacher it is all about how information is presented, and how interaction takes place. The computers advantage is that it can give undivided attention 100 percent of the time, but can only do what it has been programmed to do. You know the "cause and effect" thing
Because programmers don't know a lot about child psychology or about child education, does that mean that the computer is not an important educational tool? This is a case of the classic adage, "a poor workman always blames his tools".
Where did you learn about business? Markets are only "free" if purchasers choice and production is not influenced or limited by any other factors than competitive pricing and product desirability.
Any form of monopolization is no longer a "free" market. Did you know that way back in the days of DOS that the Japanese had developed an OS that was way superior to DOS. Because of the US fear of foreign market dominance in computing, and the strategic industry that the fear mongers believed that it was, influenced by Bill of course, the Japanese were pressured into not bringing these products to market.
Did you not think that it was strange that at that time the Japanese dominated all electronic consumer goods markets except PCs. Like they didn't know how to build them or something? Now they are all made in Taiwan anyway. And and soon in a "free" market the Operating System will be made in China.
If I recall all the late nights that I have had wrestling with the succession of MS operating system crashes, bugs viruses etc. on various boxes, Bill's name came up a few times, in not very flattering context. In fact sometimes I would squeeze that mouse so hard and imagine it was Bill's neck. Bill you took years off my life.
Taking it personal are we?? You will see how personal it gets when the body bags start coming home from Iraq, just like they did from Viet Nam. I think that it is you who are naive, if you don't understand that the US Government policies are putting its own citizens at risk, for what?? And not just off shore risk, now at risk in the home land.
It is either naive or stupid not to do some self examination or to be self aware. This is a country here the school kids that get "bullied" in the school yard, bring in guns and blow a pile their tormentors away. Then there is the big "how did that happen" "I didn't see that coming" DUH!!!. Now take that lack of awareness (or stupidity) up to a global scale and you might get what I am talking about. Also the education polls always show that the average citizen of the US does not know where other countries are on a map of the world, probably don't even know the capitols of their own states. Well every picture tells a story, and this one tells the rest of the world that they are either totally self absorbed, self centered or stupid.
They don't even seem to understand what the natural reaction to threat is. That even the smallest insect will attack if it feels threatened. But with other than human life forms, things go back to normal when the threat is removed. Not so with humans though, with sustained or repeated threat, people go neurotic, and their behaviour is unpredictable. You create lunatics, and then wonder why they are like that!!! So the 9/11 incident is just the start, there is much worse to come. And it will keep coming until the US understands how the rest of the world perceives it, and that perception of threat will always cost lives. That is the "cause and effect" it is just the "process" that is different this time. Self awareness is one of the required qualities of the New World Order, because the Old World Order cannot stand. And by the way I am not European, or Middle Eastern, and none of this is criticism, it is just wake up, open your eyes and smell the coffee.
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From you comments it seems that you may be connected to this issue by profession or occupation. This reliable storing and access to information, particularly as the information becomes more historic, is a very real issue.
Some of the information repositories such as libraries are trying to digitalize all of their records, and provide some kind of referencing. The problem is the using of some sort of format that will be a global standard, and that there will be something around that can read this format in a hundred years. Note what is going on in Massachusetts. Then there is all of the copyright issues that seem to be in need of sorting out, because of saving something to different media. Look at the Google literary reference services issue, and the attempt to step around the legal land mines associated with this.
Then there is the storage media itself, how will it decompose or otherwise degrade over time, or what are its risks of destruction. The library at Alexandria did burn after all, and a lot of historic information was forever lost.
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This "information and communication" age is certainly proving to be disruptive, as every new age seems to be. This also poses questions about viable occupations and industries. For instance will authoring and publishing still be viable? When the automobile age came in, what happened to all the horse and carriage industries and occupations, including the blacksmiths?
In fact any kind of "reproduction and distribution" business model is now coming under some sort of pressure. Just look at the music and movie industry, since easy "reproduction and distribution" is now in the hands of the masses, will the music and movie industry not have to rethink if "reproduction and distribution" is still part of, and included in, "their" business model. Or is their present "control by threat" business model socially acceptable?
But mixed up in all of this mess is: now that we have the technology, how do we guarantee easy excess to information for everyone? And if mountains of information was available to the masses would it really cause better life and business decisions, and more productivity?
Oh, but there is always "cause and effect" at play, that is inescapable. The chickens always come home to roost. The US originally ignored the whiners and now they have turned into lunatics, soon to be lunatics with suitcase atomic weapons. The cold war was childs play in comparison to this scenario. Will you be of the same opinion when the first US city goes POOF, and who do you threaten or fire back at?
Your position here is sort of like the old joke "why are there so many abused womens centres?" Because women won't listen. But then women learned how to use guns, so now why are there so many dead husbands? It's a circular position it just goes round and round. I agree that the US arm twisting system does not work, and unless it is changed soon, the "Piper will have to be paid". You should be concerned about that, for electing a different government does not seem to change it. If the government is putting the citizens at risk, by their policies in the first place, and then pretending to be concerned about protecting the citizens from that risk. What should be the solution?
Thanks, you saved me some agravation here, I was thinking about subscribing, but the goolgle news links will probably provide the same material, along with some blog sites that I follow.
"Microsoft obviously isn't interested in having an educated user base".
You got this right!!! If the average Joe user knew just how bad the OS is, in requiring continual security maintenance, how long do you think they would keep it on their computers??? How long did the Ford Pinto stay on the roads after the public found out that it was a safety hazard???
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It is a sad state of affairs, when you just know that anything contributed by elected representatives of the people, will not give a different insight into politics, just more disinformation (lies) and spin.
I would not be so sure that the study is misleading or bunk. In my personal experience, it took my kids three years longer to graduate, than it did myself.
I don't think it is because they have any less aptitude, it is just that in the present education system there seems to be less of an emphasis and reward for smart, and more tolerance for stupid. (maybe these are not politically correct words any more, I may be behind the times here)
In other words it used to be that there were classes for the more gifted, and different classes for the less gifted. Now that this distinction is no longer politically correct, somebodies feelings might get hurt, so they just bring everyone down to the lowest common denominator in one class. Is this not the experience with the public education system, and the cookie cutter unionized teachers?
The price will have to be paid for this in the long run, because it is a fact of nature that different people have different aptitudes and capabilities. You can't completely ignore the natural order of things. Equal human rights does not mean equalize their education and capacities to the lowest level.
Here we go again, with another round of science versus religion. This is only failure to see that they are not contridictory, only complimentary. In essence they are both one.
What have I learned about this? When I was young I was taught the creationist theme, just poof and there it was. This just did not sit right in view of all the dinosaur evidence at hand, the poof factor just didn't cut it.
So then I turned to science for acceptable answers, and guess what, there are just as many wing-nuts there. So here goes, and this description is pretty well irrefutable by either party. Every "EFFECT" is preceded by a "CAUSE" nested way back as far as you might want to go, right back to the "First" cause. The thing that translates the Cause into the Effect is of course the "PROCESS".
The religious or the creationists want to talk about the Cause and Effect part, and completely ignore the "Process". The scientists want to ever more finely detail the "Process" explanation, and try to make you believe that they are explaining the "Cause", which they aren't.
I watched a so called scientist on TV explaining what people experience in an NDE. All the crap about oxygen deprivation to the brain and the synapses and neurons yada yada yada. Sort of implying that consciousness originates in the brain. Totally ignoring the obvious fact that the brain is only dirt of the ground, and to dirt of the ground it will return. The real question here is what caused dirt of the ground to organize into a complex brain in the first place, because as soon as that "Cause" is gone the dirt of the ground returns. How can dirt of the ground think? How can black smelly crap turn into a red perfumed rose? Explain Cause - Process - Effect.
In a general sense, and this applies to any sort of training not just IT stuff. They hired you because they decided that your skill set and abilities matched their business need. But as I understand from your posting they then changed something, either about your job, or what you work on or with, and now your skill set no longer matches.
They are RESPONSIBLE to provide the training, and you are RESPONSIBLE to learn.
Yes, just let it go on, sooner or later it will develop into the use of tenure, and the student fees wasted on political campaigning. There is never any corruption connected to politics, right?? So we should let the squeaky clean professors promote their own candidates, why don't we.
MS is never the source of any FUD Oh No! Or was it MS who created and perfected FUD??? If you sling it, you got to expect that you will get it slung back. Or are you really that niave??
Careful here, remember Bill said that Linux and the GPL was communism, (China is also communist I believe) and that he was going to kick the commie ass.
I don't play the game, but from the comments that I see, it seems to have some community and cooperation elements, and not the usual wreck and destroy theme.
Well then, is that not the beginnings of the one world community? The internet dream, that the intensification of global trade and communications has to eventually lead to a "one world language"?
What if the EULA was found to be non enforcable (null and void) because of such a thing as as duress or undue infulence? You know the monopoly thing, you don't have a choice "duress"?
Shadows are very useful, what do you use them for? If you have one of the new Apple/Intel units you may also be able to run Vista with shadows on that as well. Too bad Apple was not selling enough units for IBM to make some money on their very special CPUs. Sony was able to buy enough for a "minimum run" apparently.
Why should Windows users take all the shots? We have to take some shots at the Apple folks too, to keep them on their toes.
Yes artists need to be paid if they make music their occupation. If they cannot make this an occupation where they have a reasonable livelihood why would they do it?
What the looming issue is, that has not come right out and slapped everyone in the face yet, is that because of current and future technology they will not need recording companies to do this. (to make a living that is)
In the days before recording was possible, musicians had to make a living performing before live audiences. And that was their only way to make a living. Also being part of a live audience was the only way people could listen to the music. Then recording came along and the music could be listened to any place and any time, but the musicians and the recording companies wanted a way to make money out of this technology, because at that time they largely controlled this recording tech. But not so any more, the ability to record belongs to the public, which it should have always been. Recording companies should never have had the commercial monopoly, which they took from the inventors of these recording art forms.
Then there is the general upside down way that society and occupations are in general, organized. There are occupations / services that are critical, or key to the survival of culture and society. That would be the producers of food, the designers and builders of homes, the designers and makers of all the various forms of transportation, the designers and makers of all the various forms of information communications, the medical profession and infrastructure, the providers of energy and the raw resources to build homes, transportation and infrastructure.
Then we have entertainment?? Sports, Movies, TV, and Music. Now of the things in the previous paragraph, and of the things listed under entertainment, if society was forced to do without, which ones could we most easily do without? What about food, energy, housing, transportation, communications? Could we do without these and have no hardships??? What about sports, movies, TV, if we did not have these would there be hardships and social breakdown?
So in the end which of these are the most basic and therefore the most important to society??? Then which of these occupations get paid the most??? Is this not upside down compensation? Artists and recording companies want paid for not performing, but for copies of the performances. That would be like doctors wanting to get paid for recordings of operations, so that they did not have to do any more operations, and risk getting malpractice sued.
The value of this whole entertainment thing to society has to be rethought. And does someone (artists and recording companies) deserve payment for recordings of performances?? If the "invisible" technology that they use, and that made this all possible, did not exist, they would have to perform to get paid. So should the inventors of this recording technology, that belongs in the public domain, be able to extract the same kind of taxes from them, for using this recording technology for commercial purposes. Why should they be the commercial beneficiaries, enabled by recording technology, that is an art form that they did not create?
Just to put this all in another perspective, in 2005 the Rolling Stones made $162M from live performances, (actually earned their money) this is a group that is largely all of retirement age. Would this not be enough for their pensions, and if not then how much is enough?
This clearly is the result of the CD age, back in the LP age everyone knew you don't stack em flat, you store them on their edge to prevent warping. Just set the milky way on its edge and the warp will go away.
How do you think that Google can legally get access to video content, by not agreeing to the movie industry terms?? Google does not have to have DRM but then they will not have movie or TV content either. Can you buy a car without seatbelts or air bags???
A computer is just a tool, a computer can present information, a computer program to some extent can be made to interact. So in that respect a computer can do all the same things that a teacher can do.
But like a good teacher or a bad teacher it is all about how information is presented, and how interaction takes place. The computers advantage is that it can give undivided attention 100 percent of the time, but can only do what it has been programmed to do. You know the "cause and effect" thing
Because programmers don't know a lot about child psychology or about child education, does that mean that the computer is not an important educational tool? This is a case of the classic adage, "a poor workman always blames his tools".
Black Holes are the vacuum cleaners of the Universe. Don't let them suck you in.
Where did you learn about business? Markets are only "free" if purchasers choice and production is not influenced or limited by any other factors than competitive pricing and product desirability.
Any form of monopolization is no longer a "free" market. Did you know that way back in the days of DOS that the Japanese had developed an OS that was way superior to DOS. Because of the US fear of foreign market dominance in computing, and the strategic industry that the fear mongers believed that it was, influenced by Bill of course, the Japanese were pressured into not bringing these products to market.
Did you not think that it was strange that at that time the Japanese dominated all electronic consumer goods markets except PCs. Like they didn't know how to build them or something? Now they are all made in Taiwan anyway. And and soon in a "free" market the Operating System will be made in China.
If I recall all the late nights that I have had wrestling with the succession of MS operating system crashes, bugs viruses etc. on various boxes, Bill's name came up a few times, in not very flattering context. In fact sometimes I would squeeze that mouse so hard and imagine it was Bill's neck. Bill you took years off my life.
Taking it personal are we?? You will see how personal it gets when the body bags start coming home from Iraq, just like they did from Viet Nam. I think that it is you who are naive, if you don't understand that the US Government policies are putting its own citizens at risk, for what?? And not just off shore risk, now at risk in the home land.
It is either naive or stupid not to do some self examination or to be self aware. This is a country here the school kids that get "bullied" in the school yard, bring in guns and blow a pile their tormentors away. Then there is the big "how did that happen" "I didn't see that coming" DUH!!!. Now take that lack of awareness (or stupidity) up to a global scale and you might get what I am talking about. Also the education polls always show that the average citizen of the US does not know where other countries are on a map of the world, probably don't even know the capitols of their own states. Well every picture tells a story, and this one tells the rest of the world that they are either totally self absorbed, self centered or stupid.
They don't even seem to understand what the natural reaction to threat is. That even the smallest insect will attack if it feels threatened. But with other than human life forms, things go back to normal when the threat is removed. Not so with humans though, with sustained or repeated threat, people go neurotic, and their behaviour is unpredictable. You create lunatics, and then wonder why they are like that!!! So the 9/11 incident is just the start, there is much worse to come. And it will keep coming until the US understands how the rest of the world perceives it, and that perception of threat will always cost lives. That is the "cause and effect" it is just the "process" that is different this time. Self awareness is one of the required qualities of the New World Order, because the Old World Order cannot stand. And by the way I am not European, or Middle Eastern, and none of this is criticism, it is just wake up, open your eyes and smell the coffee.
From you comments it seems that you may be connected to this issue by profession or occupation. This reliable storing and access to information, particularly as the information becomes more historic, is a very real issue.
Some of the information repositories such as libraries are trying to digitalize all of their records, and provide some kind of referencing. The problem is the using of some sort of format that will be a global standard, and that there will be something around that can read this format in a hundred years. Note what is going on in Massachusetts. Then there is all of the copyright issues that seem to be in need of sorting out, because of saving something to different media. Look at the Google literary reference services issue, and the attempt to step around the legal land mines associated with this.
Then there is the storage media itself, how will it decompose or otherwise degrade over time, or what are its risks of destruction. The library at Alexandria did burn after all, and a lot of historic information was forever lost.
This "information and communication" age is certainly proving to be disruptive, as every new age seems to be. This also poses questions about viable occupations and industries. For instance will authoring and publishing still be viable? When the automobile age came in, what happened to all the horse and carriage industries and occupations, including the blacksmiths?
In fact any kind of "reproduction and distribution" business model is now coming under some sort of pressure. Just look at the music and movie industry, since easy "reproduction and distribution" is now in the hands of the masses, will the music and movie industry not have to rethink if "reproduction and distribution" is still part of, and included in, "their" business model. Or is their present "control by threat" business model socially acceptable?
But mixed up in all of this mess is: now that we have the technology, how do we guarantee easy excess to information for everyone? And if mountains of information was available to the masses would it really cause better life and business decisions, and more productivity?
Oh, but there is always "cause and effect" at play, that is inescapable. The chickens always come home to roost. The US originally ignored the whiners and now they have turned into lunatics, soon to be lunatics with suitcase atomic weapons. The cold war was childs play in comparison to this scenario. Will you be of the same opinion when the first US city goes POOF, and who do you threaten or fire back at?
Your position here is sort of like the old joke "why are there so many abused womens centres?" Because women won't listen. But then women learned how to use guns, so now why are there so many dead husbands? It's a circular position it just goes round and round. I agree that the US arm twisting system does not work, and unless it is changed soon, the "Piper will have to be paid". You should be concerned about that, for electing a different government does not seem to change it. If the government is putting the citizens at risk, by their policies in the first place, and then pretending to be concerned about protecting the citizens from that risk. What should be the solution?
Thanks, you saved me some agravation here, I was thinking about subscribing, but the goolgle news links will probably provide the same material, along with some blog sites that I follow.
"Microsoft obviously isn't interested in having an educated user base".
You got this right!!! If the average Joe user knew just how bad the OS is, in requiring continual security maintenance, how long do you think they would keep it on their computers??? How long did the Ford Pinto stay on the roads after the public found out that it was a safety hazard???
Why does MS not suggest unregistering all the DLLs, by installing an OS that doesn't have them?