I was thinking about that at lunch, and you are absolutely corret -- the premise of fair use as consumers see it is severly hammpered by the DMCA. Puts it in a whole different light.
Actually, the Betamax case made it legal to make a copy for personal use. However, it did not make it nessecary for copryright holders to make it easy to do so, or make it required that they not use any sort of protection (Macrovision anyone?).
Fair use means you are not commiting a crime for making backups for personal use.
Fair use *IS NOT* a doctrine stating that companies have to facilitate the process.
Actually, the Betamax case made it legal to make a copy for personal use. However, it did not make it nessecary for copryright holders to make it easy to do so, or make it required that they not use any sort of protection (Macrovision anyone?).
Fair use means you are not commiting a crime for making backups for personal use. Fair use *IS NOT* a doctrine stating that companies have to facilitate the process.
A little off -- the new beta *reportedly* has the backdoor included again to turn-on 30 second skip. It will not be on my default, and someone who wants it will have to enable it, and lose the Skip-To-End button (since that is what button it uses)
To be more precise, you should say: "for customers that already paid them".
Bzzt... wrong! Assuming that we are talking about a customer that has never had any subscription, they have paid TiVo nothing, nada, zip, etc.
In fact, if all they did was buy the box and never buy the service, they are costing TiVo money! Yes, that is correct. See, TiVo pays Philips and Sony to produce them and subsidies part of the cost to get it low enough. As of right now TiVo makes no money on the sale of box. (For proof, look at their most recent earning reports and talks about plans to reduce these subsidies)
It is kind of like buying the razor without buying any blades. Gillette loses money on that.
TiVo is a service company, they provide the software for the boxes and the listings in a format that the software understands.
Yes, the TiVo name is on the box, because they have licensed a reference design for the machines, but make no mistake, when you buy the box, you are funding the pockets of Sony and Philips and costing TiVo money.
Two points:
1 - They admitted the mistake and are going to fix it
2 - It is lifetime of the *BOX* not your lifetime. You really think they are going to let you use TiVo for ever for only $250 - puhleeze.
You have to pay a fee for any PVR you go with. With TiVo you get the option of paying monthly or a lifetime subscription (of the box, not your lifetime). They give the option.
UltimateTV is montly only
Replay is lifetime only (their boxes cost $200 more than TiVo's -- which up until a month ago was the cost of a TiVo lifetime subscription)
The ability to browse an audio library, choose an audio source, and choose the room(s) in which to play it. Preferably allowing more than one source at a time to be playing in different rooms. And control one of these. I haven't looked into it yet, probably needs some sort of massive multiplexer in the central data closet.
Everything I have looked to do what you are talking about is in the $2k-3k ranage (for a 6 input x 6 output). They all are nice, but expensive.
I looked here for most of my stuff for this:
http://www.smarthome.com/8270c.html
I'm confused? Are you upset because you mighy have to pay $70 a month for a DSL line? You realize that any fractional T is going to cost you at least $200 a month in local loop charges alone? I looked into getting a 512 connection (8 Channels), and it was $430 a month ($210 local loop; $220 pop) with a 3-year contract.
Not cheap!
Umm, go right ahead, but take step one out of your plan. TiVo will never allow you to legeally download their source. The *service* is their business. That is how they make their money. The boxes cost them money (hence why they didn't care when people upgraded; but if someone figured out how to steal their code or steal the service, watch out).
Only way to get what you are talking about is by writing your own code to do what the TiVo does.
if (expression) The point was that the compiler will complain if the evaulation of the expression does not return a boolean, as opposed to the (i=0) will not return a boolean
>like 6 months waiting period + 50 hours with someone over 18 to get your full drivers liscence Umm...that's a good thing. You're complaining because they want you to know how to drive a car before you have your license? Really, you are really saying that?
Do you want the pilot of your plan being able to fly with only having 10 hours of "practice". We all know what damage a naive, inexperienced 16-year-old with a 1-ton piece of machinery can do.
Re:Horse Buggies, Inc. vs. Ford Motor Co.
on
Napster Wars
·
· Score: 1
Just to clarify, some of your numbers are a little off. If a store sells a CD for $17, the store probably gets $7-8, not $2. Record stores buy CD's in the $9-$10 range from the companies (hence why you can have campus music stores sell cd's for $12-$13, and be the only thing they sell, and still survive with a 25% markup). On a $18 CD, ~50% goes to the store!!
In the same breath then, Napster should have a class action suit from the Record Labels for allowing the use of their application for the trading of copyrighted materials. They knew ahead a time of this "negligent design of the software, which they KNOW was asking for trouble and providing and incredible breeding ground" for the trading of copyrighted materials.
What happened to the argument during the whole Napster speel that it should be the person who performs the illegal actions (downloads the mp3/creates the virus) as opposed to the facilitator of the means (Napster/VBS).
Oh, that's right, it doesn't fit the doctrine. My bad.
Slashdot Mirror
I was thinking about that at lunch, and you are absolutely corret -- the premise of fair use as consumers see it is severly hammpered by the DMCA. Puts it in a whole different light.
Actually, the Betamax case made it legal to make a copy for personal use. However, it did not make it nessecary for copryright holders to make it easy to do so, or make it required that they not use any sort of protection (Macrovision anyone?).
Fair use means you are not commiting a crime for making backups for personal use.
Fair use *IS NOT* a doctrine stating that companies have to facilitate the process.
Fair use means you are not commiting a crime for making backups for personal use.
Fair use *IS NOT* a doctrine stating that companies have to facilitate the process.
Makes his DirecTiVo pretty worthless though, huh?
A little off -- the new beta *reportedly* has the backdoor included again to turn-on 30 second skip. It will not be on my default, and someone who wants it will have to enable it, and lose the Skip-To-End button (since that is what button it uses)
I've gotten one before on the Ohio Turnpike. Took a picture of the license plate and mailed me the ticket.
Can you point to some sources of this? I am very intersted in getting more info.
Bzzt... wrong! Assuming that we are talking about a customer that has never had any subscription, they have paid TiVo nothing, nada, zip, etc.
In fact, if all they did was buy the box and never buy the service, they are costing TiVo money! Yes, that is correct. See, TiVo pays Philips and Sony to produce them and subsidies part of the cost to get it low enough. As of right now TiVo makes no money on the sale of box. (For proof, look at their most recent earning reports and talks about plans to reduce these subsidies)
It is kind of like buying the razor without buying any blades. Gillette loses money on that.
TiVo is a service company, they provide the software for the boxes and the listings in a format that the software understands.
Yes, the TiVo name is on the box, because they have licensed a reference design for the machines, but make no mistake, when you buy the box, you are funding the pockets of Sony and Philips and costing TiVo money.
1 - They admitted the mistake and are going to fix it
2 - It is lifetime of the *BOX* not your lifetime. You really think they are going to let you use TiVo for ever for only $250 - puhleeze.
Do some research before you post
You have to pay a fee for any PVR you go with. With TiVo you get the option of paying monthly or a lifetime subscription (of the box, not your lifetime). They give the option. UltimateTV is montly only Replay is lifetime only (their boxes cost $200 more than TiVo's -- which up until a month ago was the cost of a TiVo lifetime subscription)
Explain to me how XP is a rip-off of Linux. I just don't see it.
Everything I have looked to do what you are talking about is in the $2k-3k ranage (for a 6 input x 6 output). They all are nice, but expensive. I looked here for most of my stuff for this: http://www.smarthome.com/8270c.html
Ha ha ha ha!
You're kidding, right? You don't really believe that, do you?
I'm confused? Are you upset because you mighy have to pay $70 a month for a DSL line? You realize that any fractional T is going to cost you at least $200 a month in local loop charges alone? I looked into getting a 512 connection (8 Channels), and it was $430 a month ($210 local loop; $220 pop) with a 3-year contract. Not cheap!
We use i-net's (www.inetsoftware.de).
They work great!
ummm, not true. Mac has more desktop's the Linux does. That makes it number 3!
Umm, go right ahead, but take step one out of your plan. TiVo will never allow you to legeally download their source. The *service* is their business. That is how they make their money. The boxes cost them money (hence why they didn't care when people upgraded; but if someone figured out how to steal their code or steal the service, watch out). Only way to get what you are talking about is by writing your own code to do what the TiVo does.
What would give you that idea? They released there mods to the kernal, but their program is proprietory.
I hit the "Post Anonymously" on accident above. I am not ashamed of my posting
How did you look at your suggestion list?
How about letting your "boys" decided where they want to go to college? They will be adults, won't they?
if (expression)
The point was that the compiler will complain if the evaulation of the expression does not return a boolean, as opposed to the (i=0) will not return a boolean
Do you want the pilot of your plan being able to fly with only having 10 hours of "practice". We all know what damage a naive, inexperienced 16-year-old with a 1-ton piece of machinery can do.
Just to clarify, some of your numbers are a little off. If a store sells a CD for $17, the store probably gets $7-8, not $2. Record stores buy CD's in the $9-$10 range from the companies (hence why you can have campus music stores sell cd's for $12-$13, and be the only thing they sell, and still survive with a 25% markup). On a $18 CD, ~50% goes to the store!!
What happened to the argument during the whole Napster speel that it should be the person who performs the illegal actions (downloads the mp3/creates the virus) as opposed to the facilitator of the means (Napster/VBS).
Oh, that's right, it doesn't fit the doctrine. My bad.