"What happens when controls are embedded in the hardware, legally required to be there, and you can't make your computer run 'unauthorized' software like PGP (unauthorized, or forced into key escarow by the gov.) and DeCSS?"
You open up the biggest trade opportunity for China since Capone started brewing Beer.
And if you think drugs are hard to stop at the border, try system components.
It is with great sadness that I must now outsource my entire hardware supply chain to the first country I can find that won't try to control my data at the firmware level.
Thanks for you support and products all these years, and best of luck in the tough times ahead.
Your ex costumer, J Random.
Let the Hardware companies lobby against this, you grab the problem by the short hairs (namely their wallet) and see what kind of response you get.
I can see geeks having a lot more decision making power on their companies hardware purchasing then influencing a senator or congressman anyway right?
The recovery (learned through painful experience) is to go to individual package install instead of taking it in groups and you deselect the package that gives grief.
I do agree w/ you however that a package that completely fscks your install (whatever package that maybe) shouldn't be on any cd.
Maybe thats why I went back to mandrake, they just seem to pay more attention to the contrib parts of the distro. *
Grell * as always I could be wrong, your mileage may vary...
That's the feeling I left with at least. Makes you realize how the destruction of the Jedi Council must have left him old and alone. (Dagobah Yoda) vs. His top of his form Council Leader persona.
I don't know what would irk me more, you being an M$ fan w/ a little linux knowledge; or you being a linux user w/ the same mentality as the goatsex link crowd.
Umm as someone who had the misfortune to use ste/ice on M1-A1 Abrams, let me be the first to say that _anything_ has to be better than ste/ice.
If (oh hell WHEN) ste/ice crashes you get to send the unit off to some Godforsaken depot level maintanance unit for replacement because you can't debug or fix the thing locally.
The reason they used ste/ice to begin with is because you could teach Joe Shmoe from Idaho to hook up the thing and go through a checklist for diagnosing electronic faults and all sorts of other test problems, but when it goes down you get to fall back on actually knowing whats wrong w/ the vehicle.
In other words, when ste/ice fscks up, you better have a whole crew of really knowledgeable people around to fix it.
As far as ste/ice costing too much to replace, cmon man; you really think that's a major hindrance? We're talking about a government that literally threw out supplies to keep their quota the same fom month to month.
(I don't blame them for that, the supply situation was bizzare during wartime from all accounts.)
As far as the whole, GPL no kill proviso, remember, some of the benefits of these could be to the poor schmuck National Gaurd unit called out during a flood; w/ cheaper more reliable diagnostic tools, they could keep their vehicles in running order for when everybody would appreciate it.
I sure would hate to see someone monitor the sensors of this chair and log them.
Imagine your next performance review w/ your employer:
"Okay, you were apparently asleep 14% of the time you were here, and we're adding a rider to your health care coverage which invalidates all RSI problems because your posture sucks..."
Still, I can see the value of a chair that would adjust to fit my needs.
Grell
(mind you, that thing better have hella strong servo's to craftsmaticize _my_ tushie)
I think the point not being acknowledged here is that the temptation to use it badly is the real issue.
Say J. Random Lawman (fill in your favorite TLA* agency name) decides to use this device (or the ones adapted from it**) on your residence or business.
Now of course a non sanctioned, no warrant use would be inadmissable in most courts. But who's saying that information developed from such use couldn't lead to arrest or legal woes later on?
Ah, hold it right there. I can see people saying but W.D., how are they going to show development of evidence without revealing the unwarranted use of this Radar? Can you say informant? Heck I bet a lot of you can even spell informant.
Do you know the type of folks that will perjure themsleves 8-ways from Sunday to get off a minor bust? The police certainly seem to know a enough of these fine citizens.
I guess all I'm trying to say is that lining your house with foil may be a bit extreme but blindly trusting that noone will abuse this new tool is just as silly a response.
just my.02 ~WDM p.s. loved the goofiness of the chaff & flare concept.. the defense response of an F-15 from a stationary object. ^_^
*TLA- three letter acronym
** What, you think the publicly available specs are the limit of what can be done with this? (shyearight)
Just looking at the hardware alone sets me to drooling, but cmon, what home pc/ppc/etc could support emulation of something like this?
The extra vid chips alone.. sheesh.
Awfully spendy though, so I think I'll wait to see some good games first. (though w/ the entire line of old psx games to run on it.. well it's a nice headstart hmm?)
What I want to know is, does the thing suuport DVD playback? Or is that just rumour.
If the PSII capable of playing DVD's $400 would be well worth it.
~WDM
What we wish, that we readily believe. -- Demosthenes
And for those outside the USA,... Datacrypt anyone?
This kind of stifling move show the shortsightedness of the government yet again. Where do they think the goods sold online are being produced, another planet? They should be content to gather their taxes from the people who produce the goods originally. (Lord knows %30 of my check fades out before I get my hands on it.
It may be time to reconsider crypto as it applies to completely conealing transactions on the net, at least I'm afraid that will be the response to this.
Grell
"When I make a joke, nobody gets injured...when Congress makes a joke, it's the law". - Will Rogers
Umm, probably mispelled but I think it was EMCON, or some such derivative (emcom? darnit.. ). I'm basing it on a 10 yr old memory of 30 seconds of film of a neon lit helicopter. (salt, grain of, need I say more?)
Hope that helps.
:)
Grell Wasurenaide - doko e itte mo soko ni iru yo.
Im going out on a shaky limb here, being as my programming skills are lightweight to say the least... but.
What would happen if someone used a "Melissa" like delivery system to utilize perl installed on other systems?
Wouldn't that bypass the normal logging procedures at contest sites? As I said before, I have absolutely no idea if this is even possible, but it's an interesting concept, eh?
And yes, I realize that at this point, Outlook using (MS) systems aren't likely to have Perl installed, but look at the MS/Activesoft deal, could be something to look for? (I dunno:)
I apologize in advance for any holes in my idea that you could drive a truck through, I only mention it out of curiousity.
That Netscape was stable enough for me to use? Heck yes.
Unfortunately, it locks up my computer so often I was finally forced to d/l IE 5.0. To my great horror a Microsoft product has, so far at least, blown NS4.6 out of the water in both speed and reliability.
To soothe my sense of conscience, I have of installed the Neoplanet "window dressing" over the core IE5 components. It just looks better to me.
As soon as Netscape has a version of Mozilla ready to use, (or communicator 5.0) I will be more than happy to scrap IE off my system, I hope this DOM announcement is a sign of progress to that happy day.
(Yes I've been previewing mozilla since M1, but to use it all the time? Sorry I'm just not that keen on frustration.)
~grell Wasurenaide - doko e itte mo soko ni iru yo.
Re:Mozilla... Is it even worth the download?
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hmm.. Good points, but lets examine one of the under emphasized opportunities about M6.
You check the fact that your offered the option to grab M6 w/ the FullCircle bug-logging program? I'm no programmer, so I can't give much to open source projects except my good wishes, until now.
If there's one thing I AM able to do, it's lock up Netscape like a finger trap, almost 2 or more times every day. (I surf a lot:)
So if I use a pre alpha (not EVEN ready for prime time) browser, I know I can fry it on a regular basis. Generating lots of bug reports.. which lead to a better OS browser, which helps people.
So if altruism is your thing, hey you could do worse than to loan a few extra cpu cycles to a nice little project... even if your not as hard on software as me.
~grell grell_@hotmail.com Wasurenaide - doko e itte mo soko ni iru yo.
$2.00 and all the useful M$ documentation I've used over the years.
If accepted I'll turn the source over to the WINE project so they can speed up their work on defusing the grenade that is Windows compliance.
More power to them, it's a work that I wouldn't concieve of undertaking.
~Grell
The Chinese use two brush strokes to write the word "crisis." One brush stroke stands for danger; the other for opportunity. -- President Richard Nixon
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"Leaving you where you Are.."
If your going to boycott anything, I would think this mispackaged garbage would be it.
Any thoughts as to setting up a repository or list of non CD products masquerading as CDs?
Grell
Sisyphus to push rock up Hill.
"Job needs to be done, and I project an early strong effort should complete this onerous but necessary task" states Sisyphus.
G.
OH I feel for the progress report writer for that group...
diamond sales
And I used to sell/buy diamonds (Pawn industry) and Nothing loses value as fast.
(about 3 bucks a point for an okay quality stone, so 1 carat 300 bucks, hows that for ROI?)
^_^
Grell
"What happens when controls are embedded in the hardware, legally required to be there, and you can't make your computer run 'unauthorized' software like PGP (unauthorized, or forced into key escarow by the gov.) and DeCSS?"
You open up the biggest trade opportunity for China since Capone started brewing Beer.
And if you think drugs are hard to stop at the border, try system components.
I know I would pay extra for it.
Grell
-- You wanna lobby?
Lobby directly to the hardware makers.
Something along these lines maybe:
Dear Hardware supplier.
It is with great sadness that I must now outsource my entire hardware supply chain to the first country I can find that won't try to control my data at the firmware level.
Thanks for you support and products all these years, and best of luck in the tough times ahead.
Your ex costumer,
J Random.
Let the Hardware companies lobby against this, you grab the problem by the short hairs (namely their wallet) and see what kind of response you get.
I can see geeks having a lot more decision making power on their companies hardware purchasing then influencing a senator or congressman anyway right?
Grell
Hmm, could it have been Abiword?
The recovery (learned through painful experience) is to go to individual package install instead of taking it in groups and you deselect the package that gives grief.
I do agree w/ you however that a package that completely fscks your install (whatever package that maybe) shouldn't be on any cd.
Maybe thats why I went back to mandrake, they just seem to pay more attention to the contrib parts of the distro. *
Grell
* as always I could be wrong, your mileage may vary...
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and this
Two
That's the feeling I left with at least. Makes you realize how the destruction
of the Jedi Council must have left him old and alone.
(Dagobah Yoda) vs. His top of his form Council Leader persona.
/~Ahnnnn~/ wrong, thanks for playing.
I had my 18th Birthday in the 11th week of Bassic Training at Fort Knox.
You get the signature, you get to train and if need be, ship out.
Grell
p.s. And yeah, they knew my age to the date.
freelinuxgames = /file/dev/mouse eh?
:)
Nice maneuver there slick.
Real neighborly.
I don't know what would irk me more, you being an M$ fan w/ a little linux knowledge; or you being a linux user w/ the same mentality as the goatsex link crowd.
Either way, nice attempt.
(thank Zod for USB mice
Something for netscape perhaps, Opera should be able to plugin as well.
First the ???? all over the place.. now MS Content everywhere?
The hell w/ that.
Grell
I can see it now,
...
To send me encrypted mail:
Run the end credits of Debbie Does Dallas backwards through the Elmer Fudd biff filter and use results as pgp key data.
Oh yeah
Grell
"May you live In Fortean Times"
Umm as someone who had the misfortune to use ste/ice on M1-A1 Abrams, let me be the first to say that _anything_ has to be better than ste/ice.
If (oh hell WHEN) ste/ice crashes you get to send the unit off to some Godforsaken depot level maintanance unit for replacement because you can't debug or fix the thing locally.
The reason they used ste/ice to begin with is because you could teach Joe Shmoe from Idaho to hook up the thing and go through a checklist for diagnosing electronic faults and all sorts of other test problems, but when it goes down you get to fall back on actually knowing whats wrong w/ the vehicle.
In other words, when ste/ice fscks up, you better have a whole crew of really knowledgeable people around to fix it.
As far as ste/ice costing too much to replace, cmon man; you really think that's a major hindrance? We're talking about a government that literally threw out supplies to keep their quota the same fom month to month.
(I don't blame them for that, the supply situation was bizzare during wartime from all accounts.)
As far as the whole, GPL no kill proviso, remember, some of the benefits of these could be to the poor schmuck National Gaurd unit called out during a flood; w/ cheaper more reliable diagnostic tools, they could keep their vehicles in running order for when everybody would appreciate it.
(Oregons forest fire season for example)
Grell-
May you live in Fortean times!
Wow, and to think I was kidding about the weight.
I dont think 6'3 225 is too fat do you?
All I meant was that I was a little curious how a freestanding chair could be adjusted.
(i.e. servos, hydraulics, what?)
Obviously I should have been more specific tho'
thanks for the attack. ^_^
Grell
I sure would hate to see someone monitor the sensors of this chair and log them.
Imagine your next performance review w/ your employer:
"Okay, you were apparently asleep 14% of the time you were here, and we're adding a rider to your health care coverage which invalidates all RSI problems because your posture sucks..."
Still, I can see the value of a chair that would adjust to fit my needs.
Grell
(mind you, that thing better have hella strong servo's to craftsmaticize _my_ tushie)
Ahem, well to play Devil's Advocate here..
.02
I think the point not being acknowledged here is that the temptation to use it badly
is the real issue.
Say J. Random Lawman (fill in your favorite TLA* agency name) decides to use this device (or the ones adapted from it**) on your residence or business.
Now of course a non sanctioned, no warrant use would be inadmissable in most courts. But who's saying that information developed from such use couldn't lead to arrest or legal woes later on?
Ah, hold it right there. I can see people saying but W.D., how are they going to show development of evidence without revealing the unwarranted use of this Radar? Can you say informant? Heck I bet a lot of you can even spell informant.
Do you know the type of folks that will perjure themsleves 8-ways from Sunday to get off a minor bust? The police certainly seem to know a enough of these fine citizens.
I guess all I'm trying to say is that lining your house with foil may be a bit extreme but blindly trusting that noone will abuse this new tool is just as silly a response.
just my
~WDM
p.s. loved the goofiness of the chaff
& flare concept.. the defense response
of an F-15 from a stationary object. ^_^
*TLA- three letter acronym
** What, you think the publicly available specs are the limit of what can be done with this?
(shyearight)
with what, the Hal 9000?
Just looking at the hardware alone sets me to drooling, but cmon, what home pc/ppc/etc could support emulation of something like this?
The extra vid chips alone.. sheesh.
Awfully spendy though, so I think I'll wait to see some good games first. (though w/ the entire line of old psx games to run on it.. well it's a nice headstart hmm?)
What I want to know is, does the thing suuport DVD playback? Or is that just rumour.
If the PSII capable of playing DVD's $400 would be well worth it.
~WDM
What we wish, that we readily believe.
-- Demosthenes
And for those outside the USA, ... Datacrypt anyone?
This kind of stifling move show the shortsightedness of the government yet again. Where do they think the goods sold online are being produced, another planet? They should be content to gather their taxes from the people who produce the goods originally. (Lord knows %30 of my check fades out before I get my hands on it.
It may be time to reconsider crypto as it applies to completely conealing transactions on the net, at least I'm afraid that will be the response to this.
Grell
"When I make a joke, nobody gets injured...when Congress makes a joke, it's
the law". - Will Rogers
Umm, probably mispelled but I think it was EMCON, or some such derivative (emcom? darnit.. ). I'm basing it on a 10 yr old memory of 30 seconds of film of a neon lit helicopter. (salt, grain of, need I say more?)
Hope that helps.
:)
Grell
Wasurenaide - doko e itte mo soko ni iru yo.
Well look at it this way,
:)
Proof of concept is the way that things get funded, and any funding going towards serious nanotech related research is good in my book.
Of course for a more complete workup on whats going down in nanotechnology visit http://foresight.org
(and did you really think they were going to give out all the details? w/ Zod only knows how much money riding on it?
~grell
your mission should you choose to accept it is
to flail about pointlessly on the ground.
Im going out on a shaky limb here, being as my programming skills are lightweight to say the least... but.
:)
What would happen if someone used a "Melissa" like delivery system to utilize perl installed on other systems?
Wouldn't that bypass the normal logging procedures at contest sites? As I said before, I have absolutely no idea if this is even possible, but it's an interesting concept, eh?
And yes, I realize that at this point, Outlook using (MS) systems aren't likely to have Perl installed, but look at the MS/Activesoft deal, could be something to look for? (I dunno
I apologize in advance for any holes in my idea that you could drive a truck through, I only mention it out of curiousity.
~Grell
That Netscape was stable enough for me to use? Heck yes.
Unfortunately, it locks up my computer so often I was finally forced to d/l IE 5.0. To my great horror a Microsoft product has, so far at least, blown NS4.6 out of the water in both speed and reliability.
To soothe my sense of conscience, I have of installed the Neoplanet "window dressing" over the core IE5 components. It just looks better to me.
As soon as Netscape has a version of Mozilla ready to use, (or communicator 5.0) I will be more than happy to scrap IE off my system, I hope this DOM announcement is a sign of progress to that happy day.
(Yes I've been previewing mozilla since M1, but to use it all the time? Sorry I'm just not that keen on frustration.)
~grell
Wasurenaide - doko e itte mo soko ni iru yo.
hmm.. Good points, but lets examine one of the under emphasized opportunities about M6.
:)
You check the fact that your offered the option to grab M6 w/ the FullCircle bug-logging program? I'm no programmer, so I can't give much to open source projects except my good wishes, until now.
If there's one thing I AM able to do, it's lock up Netscape like a finger trap, almost 2 or more times every day. (I surf a lot
So if I use a pre alpha (not EVEN ready for prime time) browser, I know I can fry it on a regular basis. Generating lots of bug reports.. which lead to a better OS browser, which helps people.
So if altruism is your thing, hey you could do worse than to loan a few extra cpu cycles to a nice little project... even if your not as hard on software as me.
~grell
grell_@hotmail.com
Wasurenaide - doko e itte
mo soko ni iru yo.
Run do not walk to Barry,
:)
He will satisfy both the Jedi worshippers and the scoffers.
Hellaciously funny column from a fun neutral point.
~Grell
And Most of all I thank God for my wacky schedule... (Yeah Baby Wednsdays OFF!!
(5/19/99 = bliss!)
Though how I'm gonna compete w/ that joke at work tommorrow is gonna be tough.
~Grell
The true meaning of "Dark Horror" in Call of Cthulu is not appreciated until you face Ewoks riding Giant Space Hamsters.
$2.00 and all the useful M$ documentation I've used over the years.
If accepted I'll turn the source over to the WINE project so they can speed up their work on defusing the grenade that is Windows compliance.
More power to them, it's a work that I wouldn't concieve of undertaking.
~Grell
The Chinese use two brush strokes to write the word "crisis." One brush stroke stands for danger; the other for opportunity. -- President Richard Nixon