The problem is that java is so f***ing complicated that you would need a 3D map to start with it.
With all respect to you, but I'd say this is complete BS. I am telling you, man, on the time ago when I had to start with Java thing, it took for me a week to figure out entire language and basic frameworks to start making SOA on GlassFish and Swing clients just as it is. All you have to do is to learn how to read books...
Java is very easy language in compare to C/C++...
Answering question to the author, it is like this:
People, wake up. WTF that dude in article is talking about? Perl? For infrastructure? Ideal database manipulation?.. Huh?! How come?.. Anyone Perl pro: show me how you do array of dictionaries of arrays of dictionaries and how you do compare these structures and manipulate. Then I will show you how to do it in Python and/or Ruby. And everybody will decide what is ACTUALLY ideal for database manipulation, especially you have 5 minutes to do the job.
Perl is constantly dying step by step, leaving its place to more mature and more EASY languages. Perl has no much future: Perl 6 never released, only blablabla and talks. About Perl 6 just talking about literally for years. In compare, Python 3K is already final beta and soon will be release. Here is a chart, showing that Python is more used world-wide than Perl, afterall...
No matter you say, really valuable engineers that can invent things, design em and code, are always respected everywhere. No matter where you come from, even you are Sibarian white bear, but you can create OS kernel yourself from the scratch, you still will be very highly payed and very-very wanted.
Well, you can also use pico and even cat STDIN to file. All of them may produce ASCII file that you can build with ant. But that's the whole point of SDK: just make it easy and fast. Like Apple did with XCode for their iPhone... No complains to XCode, because it is just a standard thing if you use Macs and you just have it anyway. I would probably very frustrated if Apple pick up something else for iPhone development, like: NetBeans, Eclipse, IDEA, Emacs or vim...
Disclaimer: I used both and I eat my daily bread from Java stuff.
Yes, my friend, very ugly in installation. The only thing is somewhat usable is EasyEclipse that I could just install on my Mac or Linux (I do not use Windows for other than just to test my app works fine there). Though, I have to admit that I have to make a correction to my previous statement: it is ugly to get it in usable installation:
A huge number of things that has been included in NetBeans just out of the box, Eclipse kindly asks you to DIY (see next step how it is in reality).
Plugins often incompatible and you have to resolve things yourself.
Good half of the pile of plugins available are just a crap. My favorite is a clunky GUI builders.
No decent Swing GUI editor out of the box (oh, I repeat myself though). All opensource things in Eclipse are way worse from that what offers NetBeans. If you want really good GUI editor in Eclipse, you have to buy one for money. You can say "Oh, I am l337 h4x0r, I can do stuff just in code", but in fact if you need to stamp overcomplex financial forms within hours, you would not say so... This probably not the issue for particular Android thing, but it is issue when you are Java developer and you have to install at least two IDE: one for Android only, another one for the real life and daily bread. Not good.
At least till Eclipse "Europa" there was funky menu item: "Tomcat"...:-)...while you should actually have something like "App Server List". You know what I mean? I am talking about my own appserver, where I want to deploy things remotely. I can do it in NetBeans just out of the box.
SWT thingy is badly designed not very smart idea from (inaudible) IBM, which aquired all the troubles from AWT and is done by a fustercluck of their employees. My favorite is when it is using per-OS JNI slow calls to poor implementation of widgets that you can not even alter your way, having no real MVC (only on top of it) and having part of the widgets implemented in Java. A complete hardly portable mess that works slower than Swing on non-Windows platforms (try use few million rows table on GTK, for an example).
Try use NetBeans seriously and you will dramatically expand this list of complains towards Eclipse, that I have...
To be fair, I have to say that Eclipse has its role in Java world and did great job in its past anyway, before NetBeans was released. It is still usable for some reasonable places, but as long as you are serious Java geek, Eclipse is not the thing you want to use daily... Why bother with Eclipse anyway, if there is better Open Source IDE with much larger community? So the original question still persists: Google, WTF?..
No religious war, trolling or hating somebody, BTW. Everybody are free to use anything they want. Even vim.:-) All what I say is that Eclipse plugins does not makes much sense anymore these days. IMHO, of course.
Your crypto logic can be implemented in C/C++ just fine, using JNI to bridge into an Android application.
Bad idea. JNI won't scale well and the call is very slow. Well, maybe not in Android, but in Sun JVM it is. The second point is: it is Java, right? Suppose to run on different platforms. If iPhone ensures that your iPhone is same as everyone else iPhone, then Android can not ensure this. So you might produce a significant problem for lots of people with JNI.
They use *Eclipse*? A dying horrible IDE, originally from IBM that is ugly in installation, configuring and use... and they dumping away the most successful NetBeans, where people are moving in a cluster way to?.. Well, I understand "our local team loves Eclipse at Google", well, but I do not understand still in general... That's pissing off lots of developers. Well, maybe for good.
Hey, but that's nice! Recently all Apple machines are so hot that you can boil eggs on them (very convenient if you go to picnic with your family). So now we also have a microwave from the same vendor. Great! We have a music player, phone, video and now â" microwave oven â" all in one device. I wish one day to have in it a swiss knife, an axe and The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch...
My current phone is waterproof/dustproof/drop proof, but that doesn't mean you can make calls underwater. I tried making a bluetooth call with the phone in a glass of water, but even a small amount of water kills the signal completely.
Oh, I am wondering when someone will invent the spray that does makes all the devices idiot proof...
What makes this "eco-friendly"? The glass trackpad? The "manufactured out of one piece of aluminum"?
OSX. Because with Linux or Windows user will be irritated, cursing, then get mad and go ballistic. As a consequence, he will axe environment, furniture, nature, trees, kill dogs, kick cats, spit on people, rape women and burn rubber.:-)
Comments like those just demonstrate the typical ignorance of a Mac fanatic.
HP had $104 billion in revenues in 2007, Apple had $24 billion.
HP had 309000 employees in 2007, Apple had 17000.
Yeah, to make a shitty ink printer, you need a crowd...
...and I did not meant you either, but just added to what you did said, being previously agreed.:-) You just looks like to be afraid for someone can call you "apple fanboy" or so. But I do not care if someone calls me as they do want -- I say what I think is done wrong and trying to either give a solution or implement stuff myself.
Well, recently I ditch all the ORM crap and believe me â" me and our entire team is *very* happy with that. As for Python, knowing how SQLObject is done, I do not even to know it exists on this planet. SQLAlchemy probably is the best choice in Python world, but it is still too far from nearly good that is could be actually labeled as "nice". And I also do Java stuff, so after I get rid of Hibernate horror and Oracle TopLink crap -- to maintain my own convenience wrapper for plain JDBC ~300 codelines is way easier to support and scale as well as tremendously simpler to maintain, rather then 70MB pile of complicated crap that still requires me to write SQL queries, define huge XML mappings and debug the whole thing much more longer than do real programming. Besides, I use Java port of ZPT templates to keep all the SQL queries outside the code and these are very sweet templates!:-)
An object-relational mapper so you don't have to write SQL.
You mean that impedance mismatch misuse, when you still write SQL, once you use custom stored procedures?.. ORM is not any Good Thing for advanced use. In Python it still more sweet, but in Java all this Hibernate and TopLink circus is just a nightmare of complexity over stupid triviality. Something very similar to SQLObject and SQLAlchemy, though I agree it is much lighter (due to Python itself)...
It's own template language. Althouh, you can use any other template language you want.
Is it really truth? The only template is really good -- ZPT from Zope, that... won't be used with Django. Maybe it was fixed already, honestly I do not know, but this bug is kind of scary and response from Django developers kind of stupid: http://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/1140
It would be interesting if some company would start make a hardware and use Linux as OS. Just like Apple did to BSD. Yes, Dell tried that, but it was f*%#ed up... I mean, to make a decent Linux with decent drivers for particular hardware with decent software pack, decent integration, decent standards from decent vendor. I do not mind it will have some parts proprietary. Better to go proprietary and it works, rather then be happy that some source is available and you potentially can make it work.:-) Well, you know what I mean...
It's not the eye candy that's the clincher. It's the user-friendliness, tightness and seamlessness of integration, consistency across the interface and hardware compatibility.
Right! And also the article is clearly showing quite sad near future of what to expect from Linux desktop and a majority of community. In other words, developers still do not understands that Gnome/KDE war should be finished and integration with standards should be done instead to make totally useless BS and crap, like "burning desktop", "flying dock icons", "wobbling windows" (vomit bag is recommended for most people), "water drops" and other sort of things that makes absolutely no sense at work and productivity.
Until the software developers starts respecting designers and stops being a bunch of alpha monkeys talking about what they decided to code up that day for themselves, Apple will continue to lead in this area. And I'm not even an Apple fanboy, but it is the truth.
I find that to call somebody "Apple fanboy" or "Linux zealot" or "red-eyed sysadmin" is lame and very stupid. Because every wise developer will listen to other and either record problems and solve them, or just ignore. Only a morons that actually can do nothing -- they curse others. E.g. I never use Windows already more than 10 years in a raw, but I still find some nice things that I would love to have it on the systems I use daily.
Disclaimer: I risk to be called a fanboy and marked as a troll...
Mark Shuttleworth went on to state that Linux's market share will grow when it has better eye-candy than Apple's."
That's plain BS, because nobody really need any eye candy at the first place. Integration, unification and standards -- this is what Linux is absolutely missing on its desktop. Apple beats Linux at desktop because of excellent integration of all software, clean standard interface for every software (X11-based stuff are aliens though).
If Linux will continue KDE/Gnome war, they will stay as outsiders on desktop market forever, I think.
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Oh, I did exactly the same, but replaced "Head First Java" with Sun's online tutorial. :-)
The problem is that java is so f***ing complicated that you would need a 3D map to start with it.
With all respect to you, but I'd say this is complete BS. I am telling you, man, on the time ago when I had to start with Java thing, it took for me a week to figure out entire language and basic frameworks to start making SOA on GlassFish and Swing clients just as it is. All you have to do is to learn how to read books...
Java is very easy language in compare to C/C++...
Answering question to the author, it is like this:
P.S. Works for me...
People, wake up. WTF that dude in article is talking about? Perl? For infrastructure? Ideal database manipulation?.. Huh?! How come?.. Anyone Perl pro: show me how you do array of dictionaries of arrays of dictionaries and how you do compare these structures and manipulate. Then I will show you how to do it in Python and/or Ruby. And everybody will decide what is ACTUALLY ideal for database manipulation, especially you have 5 minutes to do the job.
Perl is constantly dying step by step, leaving its place to more mature and more EASY languages. Perl has no much future: Perl 6 never released, only blablabla and talks. About Perl 6 just talking about literally for years. In compare, Python 3K is already final beta and soon will be release. Here is a chart, showing that Python is more used world-wide than Perl, afterall...
Ruby also has its remarkable spin...
http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
Am I missing something?
No matter you say, really valuable engineers that can invent things, design em and code, are always respected everywhere. No matter where you come from, even you are Sibarian white bear, but you can create OS kernel yourself from the scratch, you still will be very highly payed and very-very wanted.
I used vim
Well, you can also use pico and even cat STDIN to file. All of them may produce ASCII file that you can build with ant. But that's the whole point of SDK: just make it easy and fast. Like Apple did with XCode for their iPhone... No complains to XCode, because it is just a standard thing if you use Macs and you just have it anyway. I would probably very frustrated if Apple pick up something else for iPhone development, like: NetBeans, Eclipse, IDEA, Emacs or vim...
Ugly in installation?
Disclaimer: I used both and I eat my daily bread from Java stuff.
Yes, my friend, very ugly in installation. The only thing is somewhat usable is EasyEclipse that I could just install on my Mac or Linux (I do not use Windows for other than just to test my app works fine there). Though, I have to admit that I have to make a correction to my previous statement: it is ugly to get it in usable installation:
To be fair, I have to say that Eclipse has its role in Java world and did great job in its past anyway, before NetBeans was released. It is still usable for some reasonable places, but as long as you are serious Java geek, Eclipse is not the thing you want to use daily... Why bother with Eclipse anyway, if there is better Open Source IDE with much larger community? So the original question still persists: Google, WTF?..
No religious war, trolling or hating somebody, BTW. Everybody are free to use anything they want. Even vim. :-) All what I say is that Eclipse plugins does not makes much sense anymore these days. IMHO, of course.
Your crypto logic can be implemented in C/C++ just fine, using JNI to bridge into an Android application.
Bad idea. JNI won't scale well and the call is very slow. Well, maybe not in Android, but in Sun JVM it is. The second point is: it is Java, right? Suppose to run on different platforms. If iPhone ensures that your iPhone is same as everyone else iPhone, then Android can not ensure this. So you might produce a significant problem for lots of people with JNI.
JNI is very bad idea, seems to be so...
They use *Eclipse*? A dying horrible IDE, originally from IBM that is ugly in installation, configuring and use... and they dumping away the most successful NetBeans, where people are moving in a cluster way to?.. Well, I understand "our local team loves Eclipse at Google", well, but I do not understand still in general... That's pissing off lots of developers. Well, maybe for good.
The only question is: ...WTF?..
Hate to say it but 3G (1900MHz) is microwave.
Hey, but that's nice! Recently all Apple machines are so hot that you can boil eggs on them (very convenient if you go to picnic with your family). So now we also have a microwave from the same vendor. Great! We have a music player, phone, video and now â" microwave oven â" all in one device. I wish one day to have in it a swiss knife, an axe and The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch...
My current phone is waterproof/dustproof/drop proof, but that doesn't mean you can make calls underwater. I tried making a bluetooth call with the phone in a glass of water, but even a small amount of water kills the signal completely.
Oh, I am wondering when someone will invent the spray that does makes all the devices idiot proof...
What makes this "eco-friendly"? The glass trackpad? The "manufactured out of one piece of aluminum"?
OSX. Because with Linux or Windows user will be irritated, cursing, then get mad and go ballistic. As a consequence, he will axe environment, furniture, nature, trees, kill dogs, kick cats, spit on people, rape women and burn rubber. :-)
Comments like those just demonstrate the typical ignorance of a Mac fanatic.
HP had $104 billion in revenues in 2007, Apple had $24 billion.
HP had 309000 employees in 2007, Apple had 17000.
Yeah, to make a shitty ink printer, you need a crowd...
You say "Pornographic Hypertext Preprocessor"?.. Select asterisk?.. Oh. :-)
...and I did not meant you either, but just added to what you did said, being previously agreed. :-) You just looks like to be afraid for someone can call you "apple fanboy" or so. But I do not care if someone calls me as they do want -- I say what I think is done wrong and trying to either give a solution or implement stuff myself.
Well, recently I ditch all the ORM crap and believe me â" me and our entire team is *very* happy with that. As for Python, knowing how SQLObject is done, I do not even to know it exists on this planet. SQLAlchemy probably is the best choice in Python world, but it is still too far from nearly good that is could be actually labeled as "nice". And I also do Java stuff, so after I get rid of Hibernate horror and Oracle TopLink crap -- to maintain my own convenience wrapper for plain JDBC ~300 codelines is way easier to support and scale as well as tremendously simpler to maintain, rather then 70MB pile of complicated crap that still requires me to write SQL queries, define huge XML mappings and debug the whole thing much more longer than do real programming. Besides, I use Java port of ZPT templates to keep all the SQL queries outside the code and these are very sweet templates! :-)
An object-relational mapper so you don't have to write SQL.
You mean that impedance mismatch misuse, when you still write SQL, once you use custom stored procedures?.. ORM is not any Good Thing for advanced use. In Python it still more sweet, but in Java all this Hibernate and TopLink circus is just a nightmare of complexity over stupid triviality. Something very similar to SQLObject and SQLAlchemy, though I agree it is much lighter (due to Python itself)...
It's own template language. Althouh, you can use any other template language you want.
Is it really truth? The only template is really good -- ZPT from Zope, that... won't be used with Django. Maybe it was fixed already, honestly I do not know, but this bug is kind of scary and response from Django developers kind of stupid: http://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/1140
What's django? Hardware? Software? Language?
A movie... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060315/
It would be interesting if some company would start make a hardware and use Linux as OS. Just like Apple did to BSD. Yes, Dell tried that, but it was f*%#ed up... I mean, to make a decent Linux with decent drivers for particular hardware with decent software pack, decent integration, decent standards from decent vendor. I do not mind it will have some parts proprietary. Better to go proprietary and it works, rather then be happy that some source is available and you potentially can make it work. :-) Well, you know what I mean...
It's not the eye candy that's the clincher. It's the user-friendliness, tightness and seamlessness of integration, consistency across the interface and hardware compatibility.
Right! And also the article is clearly showing quite sad near future of what to expect from Linux desktop and a majority of community. In other words, developers still do not understands that Gnome/KDE war should be finished and integration with standards should be done instead to make totally useless BS and crap, like "burning desktop", "flying dock icons", "wobbling windows" (vomit bag is recommended for most people), "water drops" and other sort of things that makes absolutely no sense at work and productivity.
Until the software developers starts respecting designers and stops being a bunch of alpha monkeys talking about what they decided to code up that day for themselves, Apple will continue to lead in this area. And I'm not even an Apple fanboy, but it is the truth.
I find that to call somebody "Apple fanboy" or "Linux zealot" or "red-eyed sysadmin" is lame and very stupid. Because every wise developer will listen to other and either record problems and solve them, or just ignore. Only a morons that actually can do nothing -- they curse others. E.g. I never use Windows already more than 10 years in a raw, but I still find some nice things that I would love to have it on the systems I use daily.
Critique is a Good Thing.
Disclaimer: I risk to be called a fanboy and marked as a troll...
Mark Shuttleworth went on to state that Linux's market share will grow when it has better eye-candy than Apple's."
That's plain BS, because nobody really need any eye candy at the first place. Integration, unification and standards -- this is what Linux is absolutely missing on its desktop. Apple beats Linux at desktop because of excellent integration of all software, clean standard interface for every software (X11-based stuff are aliens though).
If Linux will continue KDE/Gnome war, they will stay as outsiders on desktop market forever, I think.
Not really. We use macs at corporate level. Besides, if corporate requires me to use Windows, I just change the fucking job.
Just read: "Anti-child porn agreement"... wow.
Enwhere? Enlightenment? You are talking about that funny WM that looks like Unreal Tournament console? Oh no...
Pure or not, it should not be poor, first of all...