No where they got lucky is how the DOJ and states filed the case in the first place. If they had filed on business practices only we probably be done by now. But using the IE BS and trying to make it a technology battle they blew it.
The people behind Linux on the desktop don't understand what the masses need and want. The Linux desktop looks the part but doesn't have the consistency and intuitiveness of Mac or Windows desktops. It may never have, the openness to do things your way of Linux is also its downfall. There is no interface standard for Linux like Mac and Windows. The masses NEED/REQIRE consistency. Everything has to have a place and be there. GUI app's caught on because learn one Mac app you now know the basics of all Mac app's. The apps are as important as the desktop they are inseparable.
Become a manager and discover why they make the decisions they do. You will also learn they are saying the same thing about the management above them. Also the joy of managing people like yourself who know it all from the view from their cube. Not all managers are good, but in general most are okay, and few are really good. Maybe you should just ask nicely why decision was made the way it was. If lucky you'll learn when decisons are made on merit or for politics.
We made a niche operating system and Linux stole the spotlight from us. We supported PPC only in the beginning, then dual processor Intel, and final any Intel. But has to be Microsoft fault we didn't plan too well.
Exactly, people don't understand how expensive it is to do tech support. Vendors do Windows because its a known quanity that's easy to support. Linux for newbies would be a very expensive proposition to support.
I did like you suggested a couple weeks ago and bought a Mac to play with OS X. What a dog where's the so called blazing speed over Intel. Oh that's only with app's that use mainly floating point operations, like all the ones Apples uses in their speed comparison. For normal app's using integer operations forget it the overhead of OS X bogs the Mac down. I downloaded Samba and built it on the Mac and should of called for a pizza to chow on while waiting and waiting. Mac != Speed demon.
Now giving credit where credit's due OS X does a great job of putting a GUI on Unix that the masses can actually use. OS X still needs a lot of work, but it's off to a great start. Give OS X another year or so of updates and tweaking and it will be a real contender. Look out Linux, OS X is the OS that could eat away at MS desktop market share. I think if Apple made a Intel version of OS X, MS would be VERY nervous, it would sell.
Okay then on same basis remove the web server support from Linux kernal. Sure you want the goverment defining and monitoring technology? Remember in long run whatever you do to Microsoft you do to the entire industry.
Get a brain, the only thing MS did wrong was overstep business pratices. Punish them for that, but try to control what they can do technically will come back to haunt you.
Okay while your at it do a FreeCP/M or FreeMP/M that Ray Norda stole, excuse me reverse-engineered to be Novell. Why doesn't Ray Norda give the DR-DOS source to open source movement to fix. Maybe its screwed up memory management that was its real incompatiblily with Windows could be fixed.
This sounds like the same stuff that went on when DOS made CP/M history. CP/M had thousands of applications and uses, but at some point the past needs to be left in the past.
Next all industries will have to publish all blueprints, schematics, and etc. I'd rather have to deal with so called monopolies than this socialist rubbish.
The market place always has and still does control business. MS is the 800 pound gorilla because there isn't anything compelling enough for the masses to switch to. The American automakers fought small cars until they lost too many sales to Japan. People voted with their dollars and the people won. Give the masses, not computer geeks an real alternate OS and app's they want to use and MS will flinch
This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Who is going to do the anaylsis and it would probably take a year or more comb through 40 million lines of code.
Even if they succeeded in making MS shrink Windows they will just make it like Linux. A small OS on distrobution with 1000's of supplemental programs. Nothing will change.
The real and IMO only problem with MS is on the business side and how they dealt with VARs. Fix that and you will open the markets up. If someone else can come up with an OS for the masses like Mac or Windows they will have a equal shot at the VARs. Then it will be a simple popularity contest the way the rest of the market works.
Last all this anti-MS stuff isn't going to make the masses want to use Linux or Open Source. Linux and Open Source product have to appeal to them and right now they are still too difficult to use for the masses. Windows and Mac are popular becasue they are simple enough for any idiot to use. Until Linux is that simple the masses aren't going to be compelled to use it.
I've worked for a couple companies that have been audited and it was a joke. First they called and told us they were going to conduct an audit and usually gave a week or so warning. Needless to say most machine were cleaned up. Then they negotiate the settlement. So even though they found us in violation we didn't have to buy enough copies of the software in question to match the number of users. It was like okay buy a couple more of this and a few more that and pay us n dollars and your cool. The BSA is no different than gangsters charging for protection.
Pointers don't kill people, bad programmers kill people.
Buy a clue Joy pointers are good. If pointerless Java is such a swiss army knife for programming rewrite Solaris in it. Oh dam there goes memory management. Solaris is mainly C isn't it Bill.
It's like the VHS vs Beta battle when video tape recorders first came out. Beta was the superior technology, but VHS won the marketing battle. So we got stuck with VHS.
Alan Cox was asked this question recently and his answer was basically the same. Linux has achieved more visibility.
Looking at the way things are shaking out Apples OS X has finally made a Unix for the desktop. OS X is a Unix machine I could give my grandmother and not be swamped with how-to phone calls. Linux is still light years away for the desktop and probably won't make it, but its doing very well in the server market.
The Open Source crowd just doesn't understand what it take to build a real desktop OS for the masses. It's far more than putting a bunch of GUI widgets on a screen. Apple, IBM (OS/2) and like it or not MS have spent billions in R&D to make desktops your grandmother can use. Most Open Source desktop software still requires more computer literacy than the masses have or want to have. The masses want appliances. IMO Linux should stick to its strong suit servers.
I'd sure like to be the saleman selling Google their hardware. 10,000 RAM heavy servers, KA-CHING, KA-CHING, KA-CHING, KA-CHING, KA-CHING! My eyes are filled with dollar signs of massive commissions.
What the article doesn't point out is how are they doing the RAM thing. Are they buying Solid State drives (physically look like hard drives, but are nothing buy RAM) or are they just cramming RAM in the servers so the database and its data is all in RAM? That's common to do with databases for performance.
I only skimmed the article and missed the HP bit, only have a little time for/. at work. But Oracle is developed on Suns. Both Sun and Oracle have mentioned that in the past.
And when Larry has trouble and he has no one to yell at, it will be I'm sorry Sun please let me back in. Scott's eyes will turn to dollars signs and say sure.
IBM already did a flat panel PC with the computer guts I forget either in the flat panel base or the keyboard. Keyboard PC's go back over a decade and didn't catch on. Maybe now with flat panel they might.
What concerns me about this is it appears typical Steve Jobs and closed system no upgrading. Also typical Jobs probably no cooling fans, so heat could be a big problem, it was with the Cube they did.
I still say Job is still trying to be too cute instead of building market share. OS X is very cool, so get some more affordable Mac's. Put a 14" screen on the iBook.
I'm one of those old people you are bitching about, but we go through the same crap too.
Corporate politics tends to control who gets what positions or transfers. People who know their technical chops are weak, play the political game to surivive. What sucks is it tends to work, because the people above making the decisions are even less technical, all they know is this guy is feeding them info, or its their friend. Reality is you can't survive on technical skills alone (unless your a guru level) you have to learn to play the political game too. Hard part is finding a balance so you don't end up becoming a technical zero and having to suck up to survive.
Bottom line, nothing in life is fair. I know in my career sometimes when in a sucky situation like yours, I ended up getting a better job or position afterwards. You just need to decide if its going to be at that company or another.
Last one comment on your (and others) were young and smarter comments. In the real world it's more than technical sharpness that matters. Knowing how the business world works, understanding why companies make the decisions they do from a marketing, business, HR and other perspectives is important. Take a look at the people moving up the food chain. Unless they are a technical god, they are people who know the business world as well as their area of expertice. They have also networked with others above them to let them know they are well rounded. You can't survive on technical chops alone.
I don't know which is worse, having to work a shift on a holiday or being on-call. Working a shift you know when you can be with friends and family. On-call you never know when you might have to leave, or how far you can travel. I prefer working a shift, but others say the odd of being called when on-call is slim so they like that. I don't know.
The is one of the big holes in OSS or community based development. Apple, IBM, MS have spent billions on human Interface research to make computers easier to use. The don't let engineers alone design products because they don't understand was users really want and need. They require input and review by Marketing and users testing. Apple and MS both have lab testing users on interfaces, documentation, and anything else the typical user has to react with. This research is not cheap or even easy to do. You can't just look at Mac or Window interface similate it and say you're as easy to use. Plus IBM, Apple, and MS all have published Human Interface standards developers follow. Why because consistency makes using the platform and all the app's easy to learn and use. This doesn't fly in the OSS world everyone has a different idea of how things should be done, in this case that is a bad thing. This is why you need a central body setting requiements. this is why even if Linix is technically better, users continue to use Mac and Windows, because its easier to use in the long run. This is why Mac OS X is the best thing to happen in years. They taken as great OSS OS and put a well know interface on it. They have made Unix useable to the typical user.
Apple has suceeded where others after years of trying have failed. They have created a Unix with an interface intutive enough that you could give OS X to your grandmother and not be hounded by calls. Honey how do I....
Now if Apple would get a clue and drop their prices they could gain some serious marketshare in the business commmunity.
The trouble is it isn't that easy to just give away. As someone who has worked for companies who have tried to give away old versions of software the legalities of doing so are a mess. Many products are using other libraries that have licenses issues to work out. Then getting someone to take over support. Who will maintain bug database even if bugs won't be fixed. Will binaries only be given to new supporter or will source be given to new supporter for reference. To be honest sometimes this is an issue just because the source code is such an embarrassment they don't want others outside the company to see it. Ownership can be an issue. I working on a prodect where technically we didn't own the product anymore, we sold our souls to multiple VCs and they keep thinking there must be some way to make money on their investment. If the software crashes and some idiot feels the need to sue someone, who is current owner. Remember a typical nuisance lawsuit will cause about a million dollars to defend. There were other issues that I don't remember that made giving away products tough.
Bottom line thanks to our litigious society nothing is simple as it sounds.
You're shooting yourself in the foot spewing crap like that. Money makes the world go round and even those who think they are doing something for free have to pay their bills somehow. Unless you're Stallman and have others donating money to pay your bills. but those others are making money somewhere. Try going to Fry's and telling they should give you a new computer, because you write free software. Go read some Ayn Rand and learn to be proud to be paid for hard work and intelligent thought.
Everyone is talking cable and conduit, but what about wiring channels like used in studios or office building. You said drywall wasn't up yet, you'd have time time install the channeling. Then plenty of room to pull cable in the future.
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No where they got lucky is how the DOJ and states filed the case in the first place. If they had filed on business practices only we probably be done by now. But using the IE BS and trying to make it a technology battle they blew it.
The people behind Linux on the desktop don't understand what the masses need and want. The Linux desktop looks the part but doesn't have the consistency and intuitiveness of Mac or Windows desktops. It may never have, the openness to do things your way of Linux is also its downfall. There is no interface standard for Linux like Mac and Windows. The masses NEED/REQIRE consistency. Everything has to have a place and be there. GUI app's caught on because learn one Mac app you now know the basics of all Mac app's. The apps are as important as the desktop they are inseparable.
Become a manager and discover why they make the decisions they do. You will also learn they are saying the same thing about the management above them. Also the joy of managing people like yourself who know it all from the view from their cube. Not all managers are good, but in general most are okay, and few are really good. Maybe you should just ask nicely why decision was made the way it was. If lucky you'll learn when decisons are made on merit or for politics.
We made a niche operating system and Linux stole the spotlight from us. We supported PPC only in the beginning, then dual processor Intel, and final any Intel. But has to be Microsoft fault we didn't plan too well.
Exactly, people don't understand how expensive it is to do tech support. Vendors do Windows because its a known quanity that's easy to support. Linux for newbies would be a very expensive proposition to support.
I did like you suggested a couple weeks ago and bought a Mac to play with OS X. What a dog where's the so called blazing speed over Intel. Oh that's only with app's that use mainly floating point operations, like all the ones Apples uses in their speed comparison. For normal app's using integer operations forget it the overhead of OS X bogs the Mac down. I downloaded Samba and built it on the Mac and should of called for a pizza to chow on while waiting and waiting. Mac != Speed demon.
Now giving credit where credit's due OS X does a great job of putting a GUI on Unix that the masses can actually use. OS X still needs a lot of work, but it's off to a great start. Give OS X another year or so of updates and tweaking and it will be a real contender. Look out Linux, OS X is the OS that could eat away at MS desktop market share. I think if Apple made a Intel version of OS X, MS would be VERY nervous, it would sell.
Okay then on same basis remove the web server support from Linux kernal. Sure you want the goverment defining and monitoring technology? Remember in long run whatever you do to Microsoft you do to the entire industry.
Get a brain, the only thing MS did wrong was overstep business pratices. Punish them for that, but try to control what they can do technically will come back to haunt you.
Okay while your at it do a FreeCP/M or FreeMP/M that Ray Norda stole, excuse me reverse-engineered to be Novell. Why doesn't Ray Norda give the DR-DOS source to open source movement to fix. Maybe its screwed up memory management that was its real incompatiblily with Windows could be fixed.
This sounds like the same stuff that went on when DOS made CP/M history. CP/M had thousands of applications and uses, but at some point the past needs to be left in the past.
Next all industries will have to publish all blueprints, schematics, and etc. I'd rather have to deal with so called monopolies than this socialist rubbish.
The market place always has and still does control business. MS is the 800 pound gorilla because there isn't anything compelling enough for the masses to switch to. The American automakers fought small cars until they lost too many sales to Japan. People voted with their dollars and the people won. Give the masses, not computer geeks an real alternate OS and app's they want to use and MS will flinch
This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Who is going to do the anaylsis and it would probably take a year or more comb through 40 million lines of code.
Even if they succeeded in making MS shrink Windows they will just make it like Linux. A small OS on distrobution with 1000's of supplemental programs. Nothing will change.
The real and IMO only problem with MS is on the business side and how they dealt with VARs. Fix that and you will open the markets up. If someone else can come up with an OS for the masses like Mac or Windows they will have a equal shot at the VARs. Then it will be a simple popularity contest the way the rest of the market works.
Last all this anti-MS stuff isn't going to make the masses want to use Linux or Open Source. Linux and Open Source product have to appeal to them and right now they are still too difficult to use for the masses. Windows and Mac are popular becasue they are simple enough for any idiot to use. Until Linux is that simple the masses aren't going to be compelled to use it.
And Solaris had it good BSD roots until I believe v2.5.1 after that it became SysV based.
I've worked for a couple companies that have been audited and it was a joke. First they called and told us they were going to conduct an audit and usually gave a week or so warning. Needless to say most machine were cleaned up. Then they negotiate the settlement. So even though they found us in violation we didn't have to buy enough copies of the software in question to match the number of users. It was like okay buy a couple more of this and a few more that and pay us n dollars and your cool. The BSA is no different than gangsters charging for protection.
Pointers don't kill people, bad programmers kill people.
Buy a clue Joy pointers are good. If pointerless Java is such a swiss army knife for programming rewrite Solaris in it. Oh dam there goes memory management. Solaris is mainly C isn't it Bill.
It's like the VHS vs Beta battle when video tape recorders first came out. Beta was the superior technology, but VHS won the marketing battle. So we got stuck with VHS.
Alan Cox was asked this question recently and his answer was basically the same. Linux has achieved more visibility.
Looking at the way things are shaking out Apples OS X has finally made a Unix for the desktop. OS X is a Unix machine I could give my grandmother and not be swamped with how-to phone calls. Linux is still light years away for the desktop and probably won't make it, but its doing very well in the server market.
The Open Source crowd just doesn't understand what it take to build a real desktop OS for the masses. It's far more than putting a bunch of GUI widgets on a screen. Apple, IBM (OS/2) and like it or not MS have spent billions in R&D to make desktops your grandmother can use. Most Open Source desktop software still requires more computer literacy than the masses have or want to have. The masses want appliances. IMO Linux should stick to its strong suit servers.
I'd sure like to be the saleman selling Google their hardware. 10,000 RAM heavy servers, KA-CHING, KA-CHING, KA-CHING, KA-CHING, KA-CHING! My eyes are filled with dollar signs of massive commissions.
What the article doesn't point out is how are they doing the RAM thing. Are they buying Solid State drives (physically look like hard drives, but are nothing buy RAM) or are they just cramming RAM in the servers so the database and its data is all in RAM? That's common to do with databases for performance.
I only skimmed the article and missed the HP bit, only have a little time for /. at work. But Oracle is developed on Suns. Both Sun and Oracle have mentioned that in the past.
And when Larry has trouble and he has no one to yell at, it will be I'm sorry Sun please let me back in. Scott's eyes will turn to dollars signs and say sure.
IBM already did a flat panel PC with the computer guts I forget either in the flat panel base or the keyboard. Keyboard PC's go back over a decade and didn't catch on. Maybe now with flat panel they might.
What concerns me about this is it appears typical Steve Jobs and closed system no upgrading. Also typical Jobs probably no cooling fans, so heat could be a big problem, it was with the Cube they did.
I still say Job is still trying to be too cute instead of building market share. OS X is very cool, so get some more affordable Mac's. Put a 14" screen on the iBook.
I'm one of those old people you are bitching about, but we go through the same crap too.
Corporate politics tends to control who gets what positions or transfers. People who know their technical chops are weak, play the political game to surivive. What sucks is it tends to work, because the people above making the decisions are even less technical, all they know is this guy is feeding them info, or its their friend. Reality is you can't survive on technical skills alone (unless your a guru level) you have to learn to play the political game too. Hard part is finding a balance so you don't end up becoming a technical zero and having to suck up to survive.
Bottom line, nothing in life is fair. I know in my career sometimes when in a sucky situation like yours, I ended up getting a better job or position afterwards. You just need to decide if its going to be at that company or another.
Last one comment on your (and others) were young and smarter comments. In the real world it's more than technical sharpness that matters. Knowing how the business world works, understanding why companies make the decisions they do from a marketing, business, HR and other perspectives is important. Take a look at the people moving up the food chain. Unless they are a technical god, they are people who know the business world as well as their area of expertice. They have also networked with others above them to let them know they are well rounded. You can't survive on technical chops alone.
I don't know which is worse, having to work a shift on a holiday or being on-call. Working a shift you know when you can be with friends and family. On-call you never know when you might have to leave, or how far you can travel. I prefer working a shift, but others say the odd of being called when on-call is slim so they like that. I don't know.
The is one of the big holes in OSS or community based development. Apple, IBM, MS have spent billions on human Interface research to make computers easier to use. The don't let engineers alone design products because they don't understand was users really want and need. They require input and review by Marketing and users testing. Apple and MS both have lab testing users on interfaces, documentation, and anything else the typical user has to react with. This research is not cheap or even easy to do. You can't just look at Mac or Window interface similate it and say you're as easy to use. Plus IBM, Apple, and MS all have published Human Interface standards developers follow. Why because consistency makes using the platform and all the app's easy to learn and use. This doesn't fly in the OSS world everyone has a different idea of how things should be done, in this case that is a bad thing. This is why you need a central body setting requiements. this is why even if Linix is technically better, users continue to use Mac and Windows, because its easier to use in the long run. This is why Mac OS X is the best thing to happen in years. They taken as great OSS OS and put a well know interface on it. They have made Unix useable to the typical user.
Apple has suceeded where others after years of trying have failed. They have created a Unix with an interface intutive enough that you could give OS X to your grandmother and not be hounded by calls. Honey how do I....
Now if Apple would get a clue and drop their prices they could gain some serious marketshare in the business commmunity.
The trouble is it isn't that easy to just give away. As someone who has worked for companies who have tried to give away old versions of software the legalities of doing so are a mess. Many products are using other libraries that have licenses issues to work out. Then getting someone to take over support. Who will maintain bug database even if bugs won't be fixed. Will binaries only be given to new supporter or will source be given to new supporter for reference. To be honest sometimes this is an issue just because the source code is such an embarrassment they don't want others outside the company to see it. Ownership can be an issue. I working on a prodect where technically we didn't own the product anymore, we sold our souls to multiple VCs and they keep thinking there must be some way to make money on their investment. If the software crashes and some idiot feels the need to sue someone, who is current owner. Remember a typical nuisance lawsuit will cause about a million dollars to defend. There were other issues that I don't remember that made giving away products tough.
Bottom line thanks to our litigious society nothing is simple as it sounds.
You're shooting yourself in the foot spewing crap like that. Money makes the world go round and even those who think they are doing something for free have to pay their bills somehow. Unless you're Stallman and have others donating money to pay your bills. but those others are making money somewhere. Try going to Fry's and telling they should give you a new computer, because you write free software. Go read some Ayn Rand and learn to be proud to be paid for hard work and intelligent thought.
Everyone is talking cable and conduit, but what about wiring channels like used in studios or office building. You said drywall wasn't up yet, you'd have time time install the channeling. Then plenty of room to pull cable in the future.