Lots of good points to that, and it brings up some serious paradoxes that have been causing this uproar, specifically:
A few MS dot com instant millionaires per chance?
In my opinion, absolutely. In my experience, stocks are baught and sold by people who have a vested interest in the _FUTURE_ of a corporation. At this point, however, I'm pretty sure that noone who has any technological background would ever buy an SCO product again, or stock for that matter!
I hope the AG in New York is looking into this right now
As do I, but thus far it does seem as though anyone (Feds) are either a) looking into it and just keeping quiet to get as much dirt as they can before they blow the whistle.. or b) not doing anything and are actually asleep at the wheel. Only time will tell.
These dot com morons might get their ass kicked, would you hire an ex-SCO exec?
No, and I wouldnt ever buy an SCO product ever again. As I have stated above.
At least one thing is certain in my mind. Becuase SCO is so blatently gung-ho about destroying their public image, and showing that they care less about their Brand recognition than your average./ reader nowadays. (If I owned the SCO brand, I wouldn't do this and I dont know anyone who would!) This whole fiasco is bound to be over very soon.
I don't know if anyone else hase a different viewpoint on this, but I was just looking at the stock graphs and comparing the fluctuations between SCOX and IBM and also RHAT stock indexes. How come IBM and RHAT stay very constant while SCOX seems to raise but is extremely erratic? Wouldnt logic dictate that if the market beleived SCO's story (by buying stock) then the IBM and RHAT should take even a small dive becuase of this? But they dont.
Heres another problem I see with this whole thing. WHY does this patach REQUIRE a reboot after installation? One would think that by 2003 Production server uptime would at LEAST be somewhere on the minds of the people in Redmond! I mean, look- you stop the effected service (windows can do this y'know!) then you replace files.. then START the services back up. I would write more in this post but I accidentally moved my mouse and I need to reboot my machine for the changes to take effect!
This sorta thing reminds me of a failed experiment some freinds and I worked on a couple years ago. I had just got a fog machine and a projector, so we decided to make a video screen. We went to Home Depot to get the materials: rolls of plastic, wood, screws, and hinges and etc.. We essentially made a box that was 8 feet high, 8 feet wide, and 3 feet deep covered in a thin layer of plastic. Upon filling this monstrosity with fog, we realised it didnt really work- too much turbulance.
So we turned it into a really nice fish-bowl. *of the smoking variety*:)
Does anyone else see the resemblance to the "PFJ" (Peoples Front of Judiah) in Slashdot posts recently? "I, for one, move to have an immediate discussion about having a discussion.."
Heck, maybe soon they will free "Wodowick" or "Bwyan".
Has anyone noticed that so far, all the non-gas vehicles out have been really UGLY? Hasn't it occurred to any manufacturer to take an EXISTING body type and make an alternative fuel sorce version? For example, I had a gasoline Jetta, I liked it, in fact I liked it so much I got the Diesel version becuase of the mileage, if I could get an alternative (i.e. Hybrid, Fuel Cell) jetta to save money I would. I wont go buy some ugly Honda Insight looking piece of crap.
Actually, this sounds almost as if the argument here is stop the competition between Microsoft and the Linux folks, and start a NEW conflict between Microsoft and the XFree86 folks. Becuase if this were to happen, the underlying OS would be a moot point, thus thrusting MS into a GUI Server war.
Would it be called MSClosed86 as opposed to XFree86?
The USPS would have to have a legal mandate that says no personal information can travel from one person to another on the internet.
Lets hope that very scenario doesn't happen with the RIAA, then the USPS might just join forces.. Everyones just out to make a buck. Not a pretty truth.
Think it could be reprogrammed with some Martial Arts and given some light-weight armour. Sent into a ring to do battle? I mean, when remote controlled cars were pretty damned expensive when they came out, now look at them! Almost every robot you see in those popular tv shows is based off the common every-day remote controlled car. Once your basis is on of these chasis; the sky is the limit...
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but it looks to
me as if the record companies just found a nifty
way to filter out not only their copyrighted works, but anything else they would like to censor. I seriously doubt that they will publicise the list that is to be filtered. First they capture Napster, then they lay their evil RIAA seeds of destruction.
Exactly, you ARE helpless against things such as this, unless YOU YOURSELF have countless millions of dollars in yearly income to play with, to afford fancy-talking lawyers and lobbyists, you will never be heard. People on/. often think that screaming until their head turns blue will have some effect, well it doesn't. The RIAA doesn't piss and moan when they see something they don't like, they sit on it with the side of ther ass that holds the wallet.
Honestly, there needs to be a civil war.
That would be interesting.
Ok, You have completely missed the point here. X11 was built to be an APPLICATION. Just like everyting else. The big problem here is that people are mistaking X for an OS. It is not an OS, X is a TOOL. It helps you get your work done, and it does that efficiently, If you start making every other TOOL dependant on another TOOL, you will end up causing problems (ie: Dog chasing tail). The beauty of UNIX, fundamentally is that it is powerful, yet simple at the same time...
You must realise that sacrificing simplicity for asthetics will get you nowhere in the long run.
UNIX will be around for much longer than Windows in my opinion. If, and ONLY if it can stay true to its roots. By treating X as it was meant to be, a TOOL.
Damn, that really sux0rs. I just started my own
ISP. And it's working out quite well so far. Small ISP's dead? I did'nt get a memo, noone sent me a fax! Hell, not even a post card for godsake! I'll be the first one to say in this discussion, your projections of jon-q-public on the internet connectionfront are sadly mistaken, DIAL-UP ISP service will always be a fraction of the cost of broadband, and beleive it or not, there is a large enough amount of users out there that just want e-mail. (and DON'T want a new one when big brother buys the farm).
thats my 2tril pecos.
It just keeps happening, I get my hopes up becuase the headline reads: "X Box To Be Dreamcast-Compatible".... uhm.. Why was it not "X Box *MIGHT* Be Dreamcast-Compatible" ???!?!? It seems like this is happening more often. Misleading headlines. If both companies DENIED this report, (and it doesn't take much reading into the actual artice to find this out)
WHY REPORT WITH SUCH AN IRONCLAD HEADLINE?!
*whew*
I almost lost it.
IANAJ - But that's just plain bad Journalism.
I agree... I run an ISP as well. I am assuming that the author of that proposal has never owned an ISP or even ran one, since any SANE person, or anyone with a decent amount of intelligence wouldn't touch the ISP business with a 100foot pole if this system were in place. Looks like a clever scheme to weed out the smaller and less corporate ISP's so that the larger (read: In bed with RIAA/MPAA) ISP's get all the business. I may be cynical. But you'll see alot less GOOD ISP's in the future if this takes off. I'll guarantee!
I think that even IF there was an innitiative to really 'DELETE' something when it was supoosed to be, it really wouldn;t happen anyway. Data manipulation these days, especially by law enforcement isn't exactly -by-the-book-.. IMHO
I actually ordered this thing from Crutchfield over a month and a half ago! (www.mp3.com has a story on it, and they reported it was due out in June) needless to say, June is GONE and they are STILL out of stock. it is supposed to ship as soon as they get it. BUT WHEN!? The Aiwa web page advertises it, but there is no actual release date!.. hrrrmmphff!!!
Hey hey, now. I agree very much with your statement, however you do have to realise that the majority of the laws enacted nowadays DO NOT reflect the views of the popular majority. They actually reflect the views of the capitalist corporation behind the scenes who have lawmakers effectivly 'in their back pockets' so to speak. An example is the DMCA passing quieter than a fart in a hurricane 2 years ago.
I really do not think this will work. Because what happens if someone is a (newby)? y'know; the guy who types 1 word an hour with 2 fingers for the first 3 months that they start using their computer, once a little practice kicks in, their typing faster. Plus, what about factors like lack-of-sleep?! (c'mon, don't aim to tell me that you type the same from when your perfectly awake, and sober, and when the average 2AM hacker doodt has been sitting at the terminal for 36 hours straight. Typing styles ARE gonna change, and I for one think that it would be a royal pain-in-the-ass to TRY and CALCULATE a specific typing style whenever you want to validate for a download. Blech. My 2cents.
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Lots of good points to that, and it brings up some serious paradoxes that have been causing this uproar, specifically:
.. or b) not doing anything and are actually asleep at the wheel. Only time will tell.
./ reader nowadays. (If I owned the SCO brand, I wouldn't do this and I dont know anyone who would!) This whole fiasco is bound to be over very soon.
A few MS dot com instant millionaires per chance?
In my opinion, absolutely. In my experience, stocks are baught and sold by people who have a vested interest in the _FUTURE_ of a corporation. At this point, however, I'm pretty sure that noone who has any technological background would ever buy an SCO product again, or stock for that matter!
I hope the AG in New York is looking into this right now
As do I, but thus far it does seem as though anyone (Feds) are either a) looking into it and just keeping quiet to get as much dirt as they can before they blow the whistle
These dot com morons might get their ass kicked, would you hire an ex-SCO exec?
No, and I wouldnt ever buy an SCO product ever again. As I have stated above.
At least one thing is certain in my mind. Becuase SCO is so blatently gung-ho about destroying their public image, and showing that they care less about their Brand recognition than your average
I don't know if anyone else hase a different viewpoint on this, but I was just looking at the stock graphs and comparing the fluctuations between SCOX and IBM and also RHAT stock indexes. How come IBM and RHAT stay very constant while SCOX seems to raise but is extremely erratic? Wouldnt logic dictate that if the market beleived SCO's story (by buying stock) then the IBM and RHAT should take even a small dive becuase of this? But they dont.
Just looks weird to me.
Heres another problem I see with this whole thing. WHY does this patach REQUIRE a reboot after installation? One would think that by 2003 Production server uptime would at LEAST be somewhere on the minds of the people in Redmond! I mean, look- you stop the effected service (windows can do this y'know!) then you replace files.. then START the services back up. I would write more in this post but I accidentally moved my mouse and I need to reboot my machine for the changes to take effect!
Man, I can't WAIT to put together a beowulf cluster of these!
please dont hurt me!
This sorta thing reminds me of a failed experiment some freinds and I worked on a couple years ago. I had just got a fog machine and a projector, so we decided to make a video screen. We went to Home Depot to get the materials: rolls of plastic, wood, screws, and hinges and etc.. We essentially made a box that was 8 feet high, 8 feet wide, and 3 feet deep covered in a thin layer of plastic. Upon filling this monstrosity with fog, we realised it didnt really work- too much turbulance.
:)
So we turned it into a really nice fish-bowl. *of the smoking variety*
.. But my question is, are they going to merge the AudioPad and this concept to make music with beer?
Does anyone else see the resemblance to the "PFJ" (Peoples Front of Judiah) in Slashdot posts recently? "I, for one, move to have an immediate discussion about having a discussion.."
Heck, maybe soon they will free "Wodowick" or "Bwyan".
Has anyone noticed that so far, all the non-gas vehicles out have been really UGLY? Hasn't it occurred to any manufacturer to take an EXISTING body type and make an alternative fuel sorce version? For example, I had a gasoline Jetta, I liked it, in fact I liked it so much I got the Diesel version becuase of the mileage, if I could get an alternative (i.e. Hybrid, Fuel Cell) jetta to save money I would. I wont go buy some ugly Honda Insight looking piece of crap.
Actually, this sounds almost as if the argument here is stop the competition between Microsoft and the Linux folks, and start a NEW conflict between Microsoft and the XFree86 folks. Becuase if this were to happen, the underlying OS would be a moot point, thus thrusting MS into a GUI Server war.
Would it be called MSClosed86 as opposed to XFree86?
heh.
Uhhh.. Not like they can't already do that if they wanted to, everytime you use a credit card- or grocery store card (stop&shop) they do data mining.
if you want to avoid this, just pay cash.
We should broadcast this audio stream into space.
;>
What better way to show any potential aliens that there is intelligent life on earth.
Just don't broadcast the Windows source into space; aliens might launch a full assault immediately.
The USPS would have to have a legal mandate that says no personal information can travel from one person to another on the internet.
Lets hope that very scenario doesn't happen with the RIAA, then the USPS might just join forces.. Everyones just out to make a buck. Not a pretty truth.
IMHO, If voting could change a single thing or effect anything that happened in polotics.. It would be illegal..
Think it could be reprogrammed with some Martial Arts and given some light-weight armour. Sent into a ring to do battle?
I mean, when remote controlled cars were pretty damned expensive when they came out, now look at them! Almost every robot you see in those popular tv shows is based off the common every-day remote controlled car. Once your basis is on of these chasis; the sky is the limit...
Mech Wars Anyone? I say yes.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but it looks to me as if the record companies just found a nifty way to filter out not only their copyrighted works, but anything else they would like to censor. I seriously doubt that they will publicise the list that is to be filtered. First they capture Napster, then they lay their evil RIAA seeds of destruction.
Exactly, you ARE helpless against things such as this, unless YOU YOURSELF have countless millions of dollars in yearly income to play with, to afford fancy-talking lawyers and lobbyists, you will never be heard. People on /. often think that screaming until their head turns blue will have some effect, well it doesn't. The RIAA doesn't piss and moan when they see something they don't like, they sit on it with the side of ther ass that holds the wallet.
Honestly, there needs to be a civil war.
That would be interesting.
Ok, You have completely missed the point here. X11 was built to be an APPLICATION. Just like everyting else. The big problem here is that people are mistaking X for an OS. It is not an OS, X is a TOOL. It helps you get your work done, and it does that efficiently, If you start making every other TOOL dependant on another TOOL, you will end up causing problems (ie: Dog chasing tail). The beauty of UNIX, fundamentally is that it is powerful, yet simple at the same time...
You must realise that sacrificing simplicity for asthetics will get you nowhere in the long run.
UNIX will be around for much longer than Windows in my opinion. If, and ONLY if it can stay true to its roots. By treating X as it was meant to be, a TOOL.
Damn, that really sux0rs. I just started my own ISP. And it's working out quite well so far. Small ISP's dead? I did'nt get a memo, noone sent me a fax! Hell, not even a post card for godsake! I'll be the first one to say in this discussion, your projections of jon-q-public on the internet connectionfront are sadly mistaken, DIAL-UP ISP service will always be a fraction of the cost of broadband, and beleive it or not, there is a large enough amount of users out there that just want e-mail. (and DON'T want a new one when big brother buys the farm). thats my 2tril pecos.
It just keeps happening, I get my hopes up becuase the headline reads: "X Box To Be Dreamcast-Compatible" .... uhm.. Why was it not "X Box *MIGHT* Be Dreamcast-Compatible" ???!?!? It seems like this is happening more often.
Misleading headlines. If both companies DENIED this report, (and it doesn't take much reading into the actual artice to find this out)
WHY REPORT WITH SUCH AN IRONCLAD HEADLINE?!
*whew*
I almost lost it.
IANAJ - But that's just plain bad Journalism.
I agree... I run an ISP as well. I am assuming that the author of that proposal has never owned an ISP or even ran one, since any SANE person, or anyone with a decent amount of intelligence wouldn't touch the ISP business with a 100foot pole if this system were in place. Looks like a clever scheme to weed out the smaller and less corporate ISP's so that the larger (read: In bed with RIAA/MPAA) ISP's get all the business. I may be cynical. But you'll see alot less GOOD ISP's in the future if this takes off. I'll guarantee!
I think that even IF there was an innitiative to really 'DELETE' something when it was supoosed to be, it really wouldn;t happen anyway. Data manipulation these days, especially by law enforcement isn't exactly -by-the-book- .. IMHO
I actually ordered this thing from Crutchfield over a month and a half ago! (www.mp3.com has a story on it, and they reported it was due out in June) needless to say, June is GONE and they are STILL out of stock. it is supposed to ship as soon as they get it. BUT WHEN!? The Aiwa web page advertises it, but there is no actual release date!.. hrrrmmphff!!!
Hey hey, now. I agree very much with your statement, however you do have to realise that the majority of the laws enacted nowadays DO NOT reflect the views of the popular majority. They actually reflect the views of the capitalist corporation behind the scenes who have lawmakers effectivly 'in their back pockets' so to speak. An example is the DMCA passing quieter than a fart in a hurricane 2 years ago.
Wow, I thaught I was the only one, I'm a percussionist. Thus I type in-time. whenever conveneint. heh.
I really do not think this will work. Because what happens if someone is a (newby)? y'know; the guy who types 1 word an hour with 2 fingers for the first 3 months that they start using their computer, once a little practice kicks in, their typing faster. Plus, what about factors like lack-of-sleep?! (c'mon, don't aim to tell me that you type the same from when your perfectly awake, and sober, and when the average 2AM hacker doodt has been sitting at the terminal for 36 hours straight. Typing styles ARE gonna change, and I for one think that it would be a royal pain-in-the-ass to TRY and CALCULATE a specific typing style whenever you want to validate for a download. Blech. My 2cents.