Do you really think that seeing a full-sized copy of "David" is the same as walking into the room that contains the original one that Michelangelo personally touched with his own hands? It's not.
That's the problem. While people considering touching something with specific pair of hands blows its value way up, this problem will always haunt us.
Michelangelo may be one in a billion, or even just one in a universe. Still, his hands are normal human hands like anyone else's hands. We're not that unique, and our touch is not so expensive.
I truly doubt people value Michelangelo's work because he touched it with his hands.
Art is a statement, and even: it's a product that explores our senses. If you value art you take it for what it is as an end result, and not look who touched it, or who signed it, and how valuable investment it is, like you would with your portfolio.
The strive to have the only and original is a manifestation of our desire for perfection. The original may have so many flaws on its own, but it's THE original and we use this as a measure of what's right.
This gives it value. And since modern civilisation rarley has its members fighting for food or water or other basic survival necessities, we put meaning into our live by demanding recognition and obsorbing value.
Hence, those paintings really have value because they have value. It's a hype that feeds itself, based on a plausible story we all chose to believe in (or at least those that buy them).
If you don't think this is a serious problem to tackle, some experts estimate up to 15 percent of 'original prints' sold at auction houses are actually fake.
What if I *still* don't think this is a serious problem?
The value of those pictures is a pure bubble anyway, if you can willingly give a $10k or so for a mere painting and it looks real to you, maybe it doesn't matter if it's fake. Better not tell you otherwise.
While not obvious at first site, there's a very tight relation to the "authenticity" of paintings (and antiquated things as a whole), and... digital piracy.
In both cases we're talking about things that can't cover their announced value just for what they are. Instead you're told they own some sort of authenticity, and thus cost X dollars.
In both cases you can make much cheaper copies (or free copies) so abuse will always happen, unless we wisen up and stop paying for "star power", and artificially limited supplies.
It's fun to blame the universe for everything that goes wrong all day when there's a Friday the 13th, but people who take the whole thing seriously should be shot in the face with a bazooka.
Hasn't anyone noticed by now that this year, there was a Friday the 13th in January, which has the exact same digits as today? (01/13/2006 vs 10/13/2006) Meaning.. this phenomenon has happened within the last year?
Parent is right: 01/13/2006 was a Friday. You may wanna mod the dude up.
Not that it matters either way, but this omission further proves that fatalysts and numerologists are quite slow mentally.
Apple continues it's takeover of the media distribution industry and buys out the top studios and labels and tv networks... all media is available a la carte and on demand and portable in their latest iPod which is just 5G wireless connected EM induction patches that attach to your temples and feed info directly to your eyes and ears, people look for the white circles with glossy apple logos when they look for someone who's hip.
Good point, so what happens with Apple? After losing the edge over their OSX platform, being outdone by both Vista and Linux's XGL, they begin a desperate fight for recognition in the desktop market, but their customers, except their most loyal fans, abandon them for better alternatives, like the cheap Google Box or the game-attractive Vista.
At the same time their iPod market still thrives, and to keep Apple in business, they decide to expand their consumer electornics market, releasing their critically acclaimed iMobile smartphone, iFocus (their handheld consumer photo camera & camcorder in one) and more.
By 2015, they have open sourced OSX and closed their PC factories, but are incredibly well positioned player in the consumer electronics market, iTunes being opened to competing solutions to implement, Apple and Disney become the leader and top innovators in online sales and entertainment.
Firefox's JS advancementas and SQL engine are features requested by Google for their web application platform.
Late 2007, Vista adoption is still beginning to happen, WGA eats at Microsoft share of OS. People looking for alternatives.
Google buys Ubuntu and rebrands it as a powerfull "plug and play" web platform that interfaces with Google apps and Firefox. Google Box is born.
Google buys Mozilla. Firefox keeps it's brand and keep on expanding its web platform features in FF 3.0 and 4.0 as it adds 3D and OpenGL acceleration.
Late 2009: Microsoft share is dropping quickly at the same time increasing their revenue as pirates are slpit between those paying up, and those going for Google Box.
Late 2011, Google purchases Adobe and makes Flash and a light version of PDF part of their web platform. Google announced mobile web platform: Google Boxmobile.
Windows share has dropped below 50%. This allows Microsoft to innovate and integrate applications in their OS without threats from antitrust and anti-monopoly lawsuits. Spectacularly, with nearly half the share it had before, Microsoft's revenue is higher than ever. Microsoft releases Windows Vienna, amazing advancement in the world of desktop OS and computer-interface technologies.
Microsoft positions Windows Vienna as the desktop os for power users, business users and IT professionals, and phases out Vista and XP.
Google Box positions itself as the casual computer platform for people looking for entertainment, photo management, word/spreadsheet functionality, light games etc.
But then, they've made a lot of claims without a lot of proof. We'll know if it's vaporware sometime before Duke Nukem Forever is released.
They look kinda suspicious to me. Their page is nothing more than 3-4 template pages touting proud statements like "Industry sources estimate will be huge in 2009".
Their domain doesn't reflect their company name. Worst branding example yet? No sane company would use "lightbit.com" for their official company domain when their name is "arasor".
A normnal company might register a promotional domain but won't make that their main domnain.
Last but not least, they try to pull it off as if they have monopoly over laser TV technology, but they actually have a lot of competitors with actual products to show, such as Novalux, Mitsubishi etc.
Even if laser tech allows one to see amazing 99.99% of what their eyes can see.. it'll just not a make a lot of difference.
We have incredibly humongous content in digital RGB, YUV, PAL, NTSC, movie reel formats. These formats contain only what you can see on an existing TV. Hence an DVD would look as vibrant on a normal plasma as on this laser.
Now of course things are not as simple, since for advertising purposes they'll scale the range up to demo the colors. If they overdo it though, they'll just skew the picture too much and receive at grotesque results.
There's a point where a tech is just "good enough" and color representation of a *modern* TFT (notice the stress) or plasma is sufficient.
Laser TV's may succeed if one or more of the following are met though:
- longer life, more durable - less power consumption - more portable (?) - cheaper
Is it really funny? No. But horrible situations are sometimes relieved by nervous titters of black humor.
Still, you know it, and most of us here, that the black humor at hand is just a pissing contest among a bunch of hardcore no-life slashdotters who are trying to get noticed.
They want to stop coming back and posting, but they can't, it's just a need.
So they come, and even if the article doesn't suggest humor or analysis, they just take the first thing that occurs to them and post. Then refresh every few seconds to see of it gets modded up, and for replies to respond to...
Apparently the rumors of the pending IE7 release for today were false?
Depends how you look at it. Technically since there was no IE7 in today's patches, IE7 is still pending. If they would deliver it, then it wouldn't be pending anymore.
I know, I know, I deserve the friggin Pedant of the Year medal.
The reason you can't get it right, is it's way to damn complex:
- Experts on a subject in a large group tend to be minority, not majority - If you pick a group entirely of experts, thens til the best experts on a problem will be a minority - The "stupid" majority silences the "smart" minority - Groupthink without some totally innovative mechanism is this: random noise + averaging. Hardly making the end product smarter - Groupthink reduces the chances of factual errors (few agents discovering a factual error will correct it), but if you have too many agents, then there's a pressure to keep "status quo" and corrections might be dismissed.
When in 20-30 years we start linking to our computers directly with our brains (I guess), and new much faster processes emerge for communicating via the Internet using those interfaces, we could facilitate computer technology to build truly better products by groupthink.
Yea I realize: this again relies on some non-existing functionality. But this is reality. The only way to control a group process is by a lot of beurocracy, and then all agents are likely to age and die before anything is completed.
Debian really had zero options here folks. Moz Corp's new policy is simple. "Nobody releases a browser called Firefox except us or those who allow us absolute control over their releases. Period, zero exceptions." So far RedHat, SUSE and Ubuntu have agreed to cede control over ALL modifications, including prior approval of security patches to Moz Corp. Obviously Debian couldn't, wouldn't and shouldn't have done anything of the sort. Thus IceWeasel comes to Debian.
I hope they're only trying to be funny and not calling it IceWeasel. It's lame attitude on their end.
Why not call it Debian Internet Explorer and be done with it.
Do you know the joke about "how come they didn't come up with tax for air?"
It's pretty old as well. There's no reason for a government owning your ass to stop at such trivial obstacles such as common sense and morale. It just has to be legal.
Coincidentally, what is legal is decided by the government. Man, I so wanna be in the next elections, come to think of it!
A sufficient bunch of suckers apparently was born for this.
So, $1000 eBay auctions for PS3 pre-orders. How do I describe this.
- it's a preorderm might not even happen - they are willing to be the guinea pigs to try out the first (possibly faulty) batch of PS3 - how do you call something that's overpriced, and then overpriced again? But yea, that too.
So keep it going. If I ever buy a PS3, it'll be in an year or so when I'll get it for less than its current retail price, with rich game selection, stable performance (all major software and hardware bugs fixed), and if it flops I might even just save myself the $500 or so, and just play with my xbox.
Only goes to show how limited our knowledge is. You claim how big a sentient creature may be only because the sentient creatures you see around you are around a specific size.
Depending on environment, gravity and so on, you might end up with quite a different ecosystem.
Why aren't you mentioning how outdated the six-year-old Windows XP is and how you "have to re-buy it" when Vista comes out?
Because it's not true: SP2 is about an year old and it's a significant update. There will be SP3 for XP after Vista, and in a few days we'll hae a brand new browser as well: for free.
Apparently you never took time to find the right tool for the job. Have you ever heard of Inkscape? You can draw all the rounded rectangles you want...
And suddenly you realize I was talking about raster editing aplpication and you take your words back?
Windows has a variety o software not found on other platforms, but that software is shrinking. More things are ported to the Mac. Emulation technologies on the chip combines with emulators and WINE type solutions make the number of programs fewer each day. All those you mentioned run on the Mac natively and I think all of them run on Linux via WINE.
The Mac point is moot, as I said, Mac is way worse than Windows. And no, they don't run in Wine, I've specifically checked, as I had my fair share of attempts to move to linux. Crossover office has some of them working so-so, and still not for production use.
1. Collect massive quantities of information 2. Record them into expensive as hell piece of hardware 3. Throw it out in space and lose it forever
I swear it makes a hell of a sense!
Honestly. Let's see what we have here to communicate with unknown being from outer space. No really, let's ignore that those artifacts will never really hit anything remotely alive out there (hey the Universe is really huge you know? And most of it is just empty space).
We can try with light (video, images?), sounds, shapes, materials. Of course there's no guarantee that our space friends wil have ears or eyes or if they do, they'll use the same range or see the same patterns. They may also be too small or too big to realize what the hell hit 'em.
And no, beaming NTSC into space is not helping either.
But let's do it, if it helps us build brand loyalty here! Oh, did I mention I've a search engine. yadoodle.com... or something like that.
1. "we threaten to reduce shelf space for DVD-s" -> they don't know of online offers will decrease DVD sales, but they add few numbers and decide it's plausible, therefore worthy of protection
2. let's say Hollywood proceeds with undercutting them online
3. retailers reduce shelf space: as a result from this, DVD sales decrease. Retailers say: "you see? you're ruining out business"
4. Hollywood increases online prices to match DVD's in fear not to lose from DVD sales
5. People refuse to buy vaporware DRM-ed download for the cost of a DVD and online sales wane
6. Aftergame: retailers are happy they eliminated the competition (online), Hollywood is happy they kept their DVD sales (not that they'll stop bitching about otherwise), customers: screwed.
I read an interesting article [applematters.com] about the operating system being dead and it contained the choice between a machine with your favorite operating system or a machine with your most hated current OS but with access to the internet.
And, you know what? I must admit that I would take the machine that had the connection to the internet regardless of what current OS it had on it.
Your favorite OS has no access to the Internet, or... ?
You see, the problem with judging Windows relevancy based on biased and skewed poll, is that the poll itself is irrelevant.
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Do you really think that seeing a full-sized copy of "David" is the same as walking into the room that contains the original one that Michelangelo personally touched with his own hands? It's not.
That's the problem. While people considering touching something with specific pair of hands blows its value way up, this problem will always haunt us.
Michelangelo may be one in a billion, or even just one in a universe. Still, his hands are normal human hands like anyone else's hands. We're not that unique, and our touch is not so expensive.
I truly doubt people value Michelangelo's work because he touched it with his hands.
Art is a statement, and even: it's a product that explores our senses. If you value art you take it for what it is as an end result, and not look who touched it, or who signed it, and how valuable investment it is, like you would with your portfolio.
The strive to have the only and original is a manifestation of our desire for perfection. The original may have so many flaws on its own, but it's THE original and we use this as a measure of what's right.
This gives it value. And since modern civilisation rarley has its members fighting for food or water or other basic survival necessities, we put meaning into our live by demanding recognition and obsorbing value.
Hence, those paintings really have value because they have value. It's a hype that feeds itself, based on a plausible story we all chose to believe in (or at least those that buy them).
If you don't think this is a serious problem to tackle, some experts estimate up to 15 percent of 'original prints' sold at auction houses are actually fake.
What if I *still* don't think this is a serious problem?
The value of those pictures is a pure bubble anyway, if you can willingly give a $10k or so for a mere painting and it looks real to you, maybe it doesn't matter if it's fake. Better not tell you otherwise.
While not obvious at first site, there's a very tight relation to the "authenticity" of paintings (and antiquated things as a whole), and... digital piracy.
In both cases we're talking about things that can't cover their announced value just for what they are. Instead you're told they own some sort of authenticity, and thus cost X dollars.
In both cases you can make much cheaper copies (or free copies) so abuse will always happen, unless we wisen up and stop paying for "star power", and artificially limited supplies.
It's fun to blame the universe for everything that goes wrong all day when there's a Friday the 13th, but people who take the whole thing seriously should be shot in the face with a bazooka.
You better do it today, while they are weak!
Hasn't anyone noticed by now that this year, there was a Friday the 13th in January, which has the exact same digits as today? (01/13/2006 vs 10/13/2006)
Meaning.. this phenomenon has happened within the last year?
Parent is right: 01/13/2006 was a Friday. You may wanna mod the dude up.
Not that it matters either way, but this omission further proves that fatalysts and numerologists are quite slow mentally.
Good point, so what happens with Apple? After losing the edge over their OSX platform, being outdone by both Vista and Linux's XGL, they begin a desperate fight for recognition in the desktop market, but their customers, except their most loyal fans, abandon them for better alternatives, like the cheap Google Box or the game-attractive Vista.
At the same time their iPod market still thrives, and to keep Apple in business, they decide to expand their consumer electornics market, releasing their critically acclaimed iMobile smartphone, iFocus (their handheld consumer photo camera & camcorder in one) and more.
By 2015, they have open sourced OSX and closed their PC factories, but are incredibly well positioned player in the consumer electronics market, iTunes being opened to competing solutions to implement, Apple and Disney become the leader and top innovators in online sales and entertainment.
Firefox's JS advancementas and SQL engine are features requested by Google for their web application platform.
Late 2007, Vista adoption is still beginning to happen, WGA eats at Microsoft share of OS. People looking for alternatives.
Google buys Ubuntu and rebrands it as a powerfull "plug and play" web platform that interfaces with Google apps and Firefox. Google Box is born.
Google buys Mozilla. Firefox keeps it's brand and keep on expanding its web platform features in FF 3.0 and 4.0 as it adds 3D and OpenGL acceleration.
Late 2009: Microsoft share is dropping quickly at the same time increasing their revenue as pirates are slpit between those paying up, and those going for Google Box.
Late 2011, Google purchases Adobe and makes Flash and a light version of PDF part of their web platform. Google announced mobile web platform: Google Boxmobile.
Windows share has dropped below 50%. This allows Microsoft to innovate and integrate applications in their OS without threats from antitrust and anti-monopoly lawsuits. Spectacularly, with nearly half the share it had before, Microsoft's revenue is higher than ever. Microsoft releases Windows Vienna, amazing advancement in the world of desktop OS and computer-interface technologies.
Microsoft positions Windows Vienna as the desktop os for power users, business users and IT professionals, and phases out Vista and XP.
Google Box positions itself as the casual computer platform for people looking for entertainment, photo management, word/spreadsheet functionality, light games etc.
But then, they've made a lot of claims without a lot of proof. We'll know if it's vaporware sometime before Duke Nukem Forever is released.
They look kinda suspicious to me. Their page is nothing more than 3-4 template pages touting proud statements like "Industry sources estimate will be huge in 2009".
Their domain doesn't reflect their company name. Worst branding example yet? No sane company would use "lightbit.com" for their official company domain when their name is "arasor".
A normnal company might register a promotional domain but won't make that their main domnain.
Last but not least, they try to pull it off as if they have monopoly over laser TV technology, but they actually have a lot of competitors with actual products to show, such as Novalux, Mitsubishi etc.
Even if laser tech allows one to see amazing 99.99% of what their eyes can see.. it'll just not a make a lot of difference.
We have incredibly humongous content in digital RGB, YUV, PAL, NTSC, movie reel formats. These formats contain only what you can see on an existing TV. Hence an DVD would look as vibrant on a normal plasma as on this laser.
Now of course things are not as simple, since for advertising purposes they'll scale the range up to demo the colors. If they overdo it though, they'll just skew the picture too much and receive at grotesque results.
There's a point where a tech is just "good enough" and color representation of a *modern* TFT (notice the stress) or plasma is sufficient.
Laser TV's may succeed if one or more of the following are met though:
- longer life, more durable
- less power consumption
- more portable (?)
- cheaper
Is it really funny? No. But horrible situations are sometimes relieved by nervous titters of black humor.
Still, you know it, and most of us here, that the black humor at hand is just a pissing contest among a bunch of hardcore no-life slashdotters who are trying to get noticed.
They want to stop coming back and posting, but they can't, it's just a need.
So they come, and even if the article doesn't suggest humor or analysis, they just take the first thing that occurs to them and post. Then refresh every few seconds to see of it gets modded up, and for replies to respond to...
Hmm...
Pendant, surely?
Ok I give you the medal.
Apparently the rumors of the pending IE7 release for today were false?
Depends how you look at it. Technically since there was no IE7 in today's patches, IE7 is still pending.
If they would deliver it, then it wouldn't be pending anymore.
I know, I know, I deserve the friggin Pedant of the Year medal.
The reason you can't get it right, is it's way to damn complex:
- Experts on a subject in a large group tend to be minority, not majority
- If you pick a group entirely of experts, thens til the best experts on a problem will be a minority
- The "stupid" majority silences the "smart" minority
- Groupthink without some totally innovative mechanism is this: random noise + averaging. Hardly making the end product smarter
- Groupthink reduces the chances of factual errors (few agents discovering a factual error will correct it), but if you have too many agents, then there's a pressure to keep "status quo" and corrections might be dismissed.
When in 20-30 years we start linking to our computers directly with our brains (I guess), and new much faster processes emerge for communicating via the Internet using those interfaces, we could facilitate computer technology to build truly better products by groupthink.
Yea I realize: this again relies on some non-existing functionality. But this is reality. The only way to control a group process is by a lot of beurocracy, and then all agents are likely to age and die before anything is completed.
Debian really had zero options here folks. Moz Corp's new policy is simple. "Nobody releases a browser called Firefox except us or those who allow us absolute control over their releases. Period, zero exceptions." So far RedHat, SUSE and Ubuntu have agreed to cede control over ALL modifications, including prior approval of security patches to Moz Corp. Obviously Debian couldn't, wouldn't and shouldn't have done anything of the sort. Thus IceWeasel comes to Debian.
I hope they're only trying to be funny and not calling it IceWeasel. It's lame attitude on their end.
Why not call it Debian Internet Explorer and be done with it.
... but I hate movie quotes, bring your own conclusions.
Do you know the joke about "how come they didn't come up with tax for air?"
It's pretty old as well. There's no reason for a government owning your ass to stop at such trivial obstacles such as common sense and morale. It just has to be legal.
Coincidentally, what is legal is decided by the government. Man, I so wanna be in the next elections, come to think of it!
Without controlling the data source or making sure that the data is valid, one could become a victim of GIGO (Garbage In, Garbage Out).
They had to invent an acronym for this too, didn't they!? Jesus what is going on with this world!
Wait... who are they?...
A sufficient bunch of suckers apparently was born for this.
So, $1000 eBay auctions for PS3 pre-orders. How do I describe this.
- it's a preorderm might not even happen
- they are willing to be the guinea pigs to try out the first (possibly faulty) batch of PS3
- how do you call something that's overpriced, and then overpriced again? But yea, that too.
So keep it going. If I ever buy a PS3, it'll be in an year or so when I'll get it for less than its current retail price, with rich game selection, stable performance (all major software and hardware bugs fixed), and if it flops I might even just save myself the $500 or so, and just play with my xbox.
If they are to small, then they're not sentiant.
Only goes to show how limited our knowledge is. You claim how big a sentient creature may be only because the sentient creatures you see around you are around a specific size.
Depending on environment, gravity and so on, you might end up with quite a different ecosystem.
Why aren't you mentioning how outdated the six-year-old Windows XP is and how you "have to re-buy it" when Vista comes out?
Because it's not true: SP2 is about an year old and it's a significant update. There will be SP3 for XP after Vista, and in a few days we'll hae a brand new browser as well: for free.
Apparently you never took time to find the right tool for the job. Have you ever heard of Inkscape? You can draw all the rounded rectangles you want...
And suddenly you realize I was talking about raster editing aplpication and you take your words back?
Windows has a variety o software not found on other platforms, but that software is shrinking. More things are ported to the Mac. Emulation technologies on the chip combines with emulators and WINE type solutions make the number of programs fewer each day. All those you mentioned run on the Mac natively and I think all of them run on Linux via WINE.
The Mac point is moot, as I said, Mac is way worse than Windows. And no, they don't run in Wine, I've specifically checked, as I had my fair share of attempts to move to linux. Crossover office has some of them working so-so, and still not for production use.
I collect donations, you guys. Here's my plan:
1. Collect massive quantities of information
2. Record them into expensive as hell piece of hardware
3. Throw it out in space and lose it forever
I swear it makes a hell of a sense!
Honestly. Let's see what we have here to communicate with unknown being from outer space. No really, let's ignore that those artifacts will never really hit anything remotely alive out there (hey the Universe is really huge you know? And most of it is just empty space).
We can try with light (video, images?), sounds, shapes, materials. Of course there's no guarantee that our space friends wil have ears or eyes or if they do, they'll use the same range or see the same patterns. They may also be too small or too big to realize what the hell hit 'em.
And no, beaming NTSC into space is not helping either.
But let's do it, if it helps us build brand loyalty here! Oh, did I mention I've a search engine. yadoodle.com... or something like that.
Class business play in 6 acts:
1. "we threaten to reduce shelf space for DVD-s" -> they don't know of online offers will decrease DVD sales, but they add few numbers and decide it's plausible, therefore worthy of protection
2. let's say Hollywood proceeds with undercutting them online
3. retailers reduce shelf space: as a result from this, DVD sales decrease. Retailers say: "you see? you're ruining out business"
4. Hollywood increases online prices to match DVD's in fear not to lose from DVD sales
5. People refuse to buy vaporware DRM-ed download for the cost of a DVD and online sales wane
6. Aftergame: retailers are happy they eliminated the competition (online), Hollywood is happy they kept their DVD sales (not that they'll stop bitching about otherwise), customers: screwed.
Your favorite OS has no access to the Internet, or... ?
You see, the problem with judging Windows relevancy based on biased and skewed poll, is that the poll itself is irrelevant.