Okay this is actually a really good thing. Hear me out on this.
The idea that we can win the battle for things like fair use and sane and non-abusive copyright legislation on the back of digital music is a pipe dream and nothing more. Bottom line: The public believes that mp3's are stealing, that the artists are not getting paid and that the RIAA should be allowed to do everything in there power to protect themselves. After all... we are pirates! We cannot win that particular battle.
What needs to happen is the RIAA needs to begin to extend there reach to common people who don't know the first thing about digital music. Once your parents start to feal the pointy end of the RIAA's stick then, and only then, can this war be won. And that is why I like this taxi driver thing. Yes it does suck to be a taxi driver in, where is this guy, Finnland?
But his plight is something that common people can easily grasp. And if it comes to the states, where ultimatly this battle needs to be fought, then people will begin to listen to us.
Right now people think we are crying because our music isn't free. It is only when the common person is not free to listen to his music that they will begin to understand what is really going on.
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Screw the gas mileage. Screw the pumps too. Sure put some sort of alternative fuel at every gas station.
I couldn't care less about the environment or gas mileage. What I care about is this, can my mechanic fix the damn thing?
Not an unreasonable request mind you. To all you people here that drive some sort of 'green' car, wether it is electric or hybrid or whatever (excluding diesel, I have seen the exhaust of those things, yeah that get good gas mileage but I simply do not believe they pollute less then my car) how many of you get your cars serviced anywhere but a dealer?
I got me a mechanic, searched long and hard for him too, he is reliable, honest and affordable. He appreciates that I come to his station whenever I have a problem and treats me well. Have you ever seen the service at dealers? How about the bills?
Just the difference between what I would pay at a dealer to get my car serviced and my mechanic will blow away 3 to 6 months of my fuel savings for driving one of them 'green' machines.
Except Law Enforcement? Oh... then that makes it alright.
Screw that. That is much too Orwellian for me.
Will the point come where if you don't have a cell phone people will assume you have something to hide?
What if I am carrying your cell phone, does that leave me open to arrest?
Screw all that. I am just gonna turn off all the lights, lock my front door and curl up in a little ball in a corner of my apartment until 2012. I'll poke my head out the front door and if I see my shadow back I will go.
This is getting stupid off the topic. But I want to point out that speeding tickets have nothing to do with public safety and everything to do with generating revenue.
Hence the automated speed traps that just send you tickets. Not to mention automated red light traps.
When you take a serious, hard look at those technologies and how they are currently being used there just cannot be any argument that they improve public safety.
Distributed computing projects must meet 3 criteria:
1. Non-Profit or I get a piece of the action. Seti@home is non-profit, I get a free gig from easynews for every 15 days I run the UD client screening for Cancer drugs. They both pass this test.
2. Tight well written prefferably small secure code. If a DC client crashes my machine once it is out the door. I hate to be overly sensitive to such issues, but if the programmers tried to keep things small they will have less problems.
3. Must get the hell out of my way without my interferance when I want to do things. I don't want to have to close it when I want to play video games. I know that this seems like a stupid thing to want, but consider what this is saying about how well written the code is?
Now once you give me a client that passes all three of these criteria then who cares if it is a good cause or not?
I mean stuff the drug companies want you to do have good cause written all over them, but why do I want to pay for there bandwith, there processor time and there upkeep if they are not willing to send a little something-something my way?
I don't know if this DC Tivo thing meets #2 and #3 yet. But it definetly passes #1 with flying colors. And if you consider that all the people that take part in it are probably Tivo-geeks from the Tivo Community that want access to this code anyways, then who cares?
This is like the Seti thing. Are they gonna find Space Aliens? No. But the project itself, them bringing the DC format to the forfront of the networking world and what it could bring with it in the future is too exciting a prospect to pass up.
I encorage DC apps. I find it a fascinating feild. Let the Tivo-geeks have there fun.
Besides.... and I know you won't believe this. Tivo doesn't really mind. These particular geeks are a huge faction of the Tivo population. Tivo kinda has a hands off policy with them anyways.
The company I work for has 3 HP mainframes they use in production and 1 IBM AS/400.
We also have more than a thousand PC's that are connected to the company intranet.
Less then 1% of those PC's enjoys more then 40 hours of use a week.
This creates a math question. How many PC's does it take for one hour of real time to equal one hour of 1 HP work real time?
I know I didn't phrase that well. But my point is that we are underutilizing our PC's. Granted our biggest HP box has 16 processors and I forget how many gigs of memory (9 seems to stick out in my mind). But a thousand PC's somehow doing that work via some sort of distributed computing method should smack that bad boy like the bitch it is.
Rule #1: Always include the line: I will accept personal checks, but I do not ship until the check clears. When selling.
Rule #2: When buying never spend more money then you can afford to loose.
The first time I saw eBay I instinctivly knew that this was a place where fraud was gonna run rampant.
I got no issue selling things on eBay. In fact I enjoy selling stuff there. Selling is easy. I don't ship till the money is in the bank. Then I ship immediatly and often faster then what was agreed too.
But buying on the other hand is always a risk. If I desire something expensive enough that I would get mad if I lost the money then I simply don't use eBay.
Your comment is actually fantastically smart.
If they found probes and they resemble earth organisms at any level then we will be forced to consider that some Earth probe put them there.
And if they don't resemble organisms we must still think about the possibilty. UV radiation does cause genetic mutation.
If we conclude, or even give credence to the idea that this might be stuff we put there we must not peg that idea with too much negativity. This would lend serious credit to the (until now) sci-fi idea of terraforming.
I won't even pretend to have the knowledge to make an intelligent comment on this stuff. Smarter people then me may be able to poke holes in my ideas.
I was just impressed with how much thought your comment put into my head. I think you were being sarcastic, but I think you have a real point.
But since I have the eyes of fellow Usenet users allow me to try again.
Bottom line: Anyone that has used Usenet knows it is supperior to P2P networks. The only advantage that P2P networks enjoy over Usenet is the ability to find whatever you are looking for immediatly. With Usenet if you want something obscure you will probably not find it today. But the beauty of usenet is if you request it, and be patient it will be posted. And during that time you will find tons of stuff to peak your interest. And the audio quality is almost always supperior to P2P networks.
That being the case here is my question. Why is it that the media says NOTHING of usenet?
I pick up the newspaper and P2P was invented by Satan himself. But usenet is not mentioned anywhere.
I am not complaining mind you. I have always just kinda shook my head whenever I read about the evils of P2P wondering this.
Anyone else wonder why the RIAA and the movie industry cries the blues about P2P networks but we never hear about usenet?
As far as I am concerned usenet is more reliable and the stuff is often of higher quality.
My theory is that there is even less they can do about usenet then the P2P networks. They figure that if they don't talk about usenet then a minnimum number of people will use it.
Well if the big networks want to continue existing then they need to change. They need to look no farther then the RIAA to see what it is like to buck the digital revolution.
Myself, I would be perfectly willing to pay for commercial free versions of COMEDY CENTRAL and SCI-FI. The networks can go screw themselves though.
As far as Enterprise? That is an excellent question. Give me the opportunity to subscribe to it for a year commercial free VIA my cable connection to my TIVO and lets see how that works out.
So I guess it leaves a business model like this: Networks offer commercial free versions for a price. Subscriptions to particular programs monthly/yearly. And traditional commercial/free service.
Make a TIVO (or similar device) mandatory for the paid versions and suddenly the networks love my little TIVO as much as I do.
To top it off the networks off season premier, pilot episodes and occasional special episodes for free.
Hey HBO has been doing this for years.
For me this creates a number of problems. Problem #1: I am already paying $80/month for cable as it is. That is all I can afford for that. I think most people would consider there current cable bill as high as can be. How can they offer this stuff and not step on the cable companies toes?
Problem #2: Traditional advertising. Screw the networks. If they follow my advice they could do fine. What about all the other companies that rely on tv advertising? Where do they go now?
The surgeon didn't knowingly cause the seizures. Computer operators (that could be me!) were 'programming' him (oooohhhhh doesn't THAT open up a whole new set of nightmares?).
Actually they were doing work calibrating the camera software with the Phospores (whatever it is called, I am too lazy to look up the right name). They were showing off for wired and allowed dude to calibrate himself.
The good doctor wasn't properly monitoring this fiasco in the making.
Dude calibrating himself ultimatly proved to be a real bad idea.
I don't hold the doctor responsible for 'causing' the seizure. However I do think it was a poor oversite on his part to allow computer operators to work on this guy without proper supervision.
Oh the fun I would have. If a Gran Maul seizure was all that happened.....
I feel that there is a lot of truth to record sales being down. I think it has a lot to do with just how unimaginably BAD music is today.
Something happened. Maybe MTV. I am really not sure. But over and over again I am left with that feeling that when Kurt Cobain died something seriously changed in this world.
Consider: All the great bands that we get excited about. How many were around before Kurt Cobain offed himself?
The music industry is to blame for this mess. Not you, not me. Certainly not Mom and Pop second hand record stores (God Bless 'em).
Ooohhhh I forgot about that. Yeah that struck me as just plain evil. I hope we have seen the last of that. I am of the oppinion that DC apps can be useful and legitimate things. Last thing I want is people to start putting stuff like Seti in the same category as that Kazzaa crap.
Okay I am not first to say this. But 8 months?!?! What are the odds that I will run it for 8 months... continously... without being distracted by another DC project?
Also these people are entirely too green and liberal for my tastes. At first it is a very thought provoking idea. But these people already have preconcevied conclusions... and that isn't very good science.
Try this little thought experiment. You can get the gist of what they are doing by reading/. Now imagine that your PC generated exact results from 1950-2000. A perfect model. And then its results said that from 2000-2050 the Earth would cool down to 1950 levels. Nother words no global warming took place.
Now go and read there website.... What do you think they would think of those results? That isn't good science.
I mean these people have yet to generate a product and they are already tossing about the possibility of Oil Companies messing with there results. Hello... McFly???
You know what I would really like to see? Someone that doesn't have a chip on there shoulder take this project over. Recode it so it doesn't take no 8 monhts. 1 month is probably the maximum it should take. And cut all the Green Liberal Save the Whales crap out of it.
I run NO Distributed Computing (DC) project unless it follows these rules:
1. Must Be Non-Profit. If it is for Profit I Must get a cut.
A. example: Seti@Home is run by the University of Berkley.
B. United Devices is for profit (think about it, Drug companies will make money). However, Easynews.com gives me 2 free Gigs of access a month for running it. Hey all I want is a piece, and I am getting it.
2. A DC project must be bug free. This may seem like a bloody obvious sort of thing. But considering the state of software releases nowadays one might think I am asking for a miracle! Seriously I understand the point of Version 2 releases and stuff like that. As long as it is handled competently and professionally I probably will forgive them. But I will have zero patience for a DC project that crashes my machine or keeps me from running ANY app. And that leads me to rule 3...
3. A DC must take a back seat to.. everything. It must also be maintence free.
Does this require any explanation?
4. Finally, it must be controversy free.
I have yet to come across a/. article accusing a DC app of loading in spyware, or a trojan of any sort. But I have faith that it will come.
My point of view is this. There is a definite problem with the record industry, sales probably are not what they should be, but MP3's are not the problem. I work in Computer Operations, I am surrounded by people that are constantly on the cutting edge of technology. The thing is this, for all the trouble I have gone through I don't have a single friend that makes or even cares about MP3's. I am alone. Seems to me that if MP3's were the evil the RIAA says they are I should at least know someone that uses them. Here is what is really wrong. Music today sucks ass. Im sorry but for the last 5 years or so the quality of music has gotten so bad that I actually get excited about groups like NIN and Marilyn Manson. I have a little mesurement about music quality. It is real simple really. Will my kids like it? Think about it. MM and NIN, you have to have been in the moment (and I was) to enjoy that stuff. You just cant simply pick it up. But look at things like Don McLeans American Pie. There is a song that is way before my time, but I still love it. It stands up. There really isn't any music that stands up anymore. From my viewpoint this is the final evolution of MTV. MTV has killed music, not MP3.
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Okay this is actually a really good thing.
Hear me out on this.
The idea that we can win the battle for things like fair use and sane and non-abusive copyright legislation on the back of digital music is a pipe dream and nothing more.
Bottom line: The public believes that mp3's are stealing, that the artists are not getting paid and that the RIAA should be allowed to do everything in there power to protect themselves. After all... we are pirates!
We cannot win that particular battle.
What needs to happen is the RIAA needs to begin to extend there reach to common people who don't know the first thing about digital music.
Once your parents start to feal the pointy end of the RIAA's stick then, and only then, can this war be won.
And that is why I like this taxi driver thing.
Yes it does suck to be a taxi driver in, where is this guy, Finnland?
But his plight is something that common people can easily grasp. And if it comes to the states, where ultimatly this battle needs to be fought, then people will begin to listen to us.
Right now people think we are crying because our music isn't free. It is only when the common person is not free to listen to his music that they will begin to understand what is really going on.
Screw the gas mileage. Screw the pumps too. Sure put some sort of alternative fuel at every gas station.
I couldn't care less about the environment or gas mileage. What I care about is this, can my mechanic fix the damn thing?
Not an unreasonable request mind you.
To all you people here that drive some sort of 'green' car, wether it is electric or hybrid or whatever (excluding diesel, I have seen the exhaust of those things, yeah that get good gas mileage but I simply do not believe they pollute less then my car) how many of you get your cars serviced anywhere but a dealer?
I got me a mechanic, searched long and hard for him too, he is reliable, honest and affordable. He appreciates that I come to his station whenever I have a problem and treats me well.
Have you ever seen the service at dealers? How about the bills?
Just the difference between what I would pay at a dealer to get my car serviced and my mechanic will blow away 3 to 6 months of my fuel savings for driving one of them 'green' machines.
Except Law Enforcement?
Oh... then that makes it alright.
Screw that. That is much too Orwellian for me.
Will the point come where if you don't have a cell phone people will assume you have something to hide?
What if I am carrying your cell phone, does that leave me open to arrest?
Screw all that. I am just gonna turn off all the lights, lock my front door and curl up in a little ball in a corner of my apartment until 2012. I'll poke my head out the front door and if I see my shadow back I will go.
Anyone know how one can go about aquiring this bundle?
This is getting stupid off the topic.
But I want to point out that speeding tickets have nothing to do with public safety and everything to do with generating revenue.
Hence the automated speed traps that just send you tickets. Not to mention automated red light traps.
When you take a serious, hard look at those technologies and how they are currently being used there just cannot be any argument that they improve public safety.
That only leaves one motive.
Distributed computing projects must meet 3 criteria:
1. Non-Profit or I get a piece of the action. Seti@home is non-profit, I get a free gig from easynews for every 15 days I run the UD client screening for Cancer drugs. They both pass this test.
2. Tight well written prefferably small secure code. If a DC client crashes my machine once it is out the door. I hate to be overly sensitive to such issues, but if the programmers tried to keep things small they will have less problems.
3. Must get the hell out of my way without my interferance when I want to do things. I don't want to have to close it when I want to play video games. I know that this seems like a stupid thing to want, but consider what this is saying about how well written the code is?
Now once you give me a client that passes all three of these criteria then who cares if it is a good cause or not?
I mean stuff the drug companies want you to do have good cause written all over them, but why do I want to pay for there bandwith, there processor time and there upkeep if they are not willing to send a little something-something my way?
I don't know if this DC Tivo thing meets #2 and #3 yet. But it definetly passes #1 with flying colors.
And if you consider that all the people that take part in it are probably Tivo-geeks from the Tivo Community that want access to this code anyways, then who cares?
This is like the Seti thing. Are they gonna find Space Aliens? No. But the project itself, them bringing the DC format to the forfront of the networking world and what it could bring with it in the future is too exciting a prospect to pass up.
I encorage DC apps. I find it a fascinating feild. Let the Tivo-geeks have there fun.
Besides.... and I know you won't believe this. Tivo doesn't really mind. These particular geeks are a huge faction of the Tivo population. Tivo kinda has a hands off policy with them anyways.
The company I work for has 3 HP mainframes they use in production and 1 IBM AS/400.
We also have more than a thousand PC's that are connected to the company intranet.
Less then 1% of those PC's enjoys more then 40 hours of use a week.
This creates a math question. How many PC's does it take for one hour of real time to equal one hour of 1 HP work real time?
I know I didn't phrase that well. But my point is that we are underutilizing our PC's. Granted our biggest HP box has 16 processors and I forget how many gigs of memory (9 seems to stick out in my mind). But a thousand PC's somehow doing that work via some sort of distributed computing method should smack that bad boy like the bitch it is.
Rule #1:
Always include the line: I will accept personal checks, but I do not ship until the check clears.
When selling.
Rule #2:
When buying never spend more money then you can afford to loose.
The first time I saw eBay I instinctivly knew that this was a place where fraud was gonna run rampant.
I got no issue selling things on eBay. In fact I enjoy selling stuff there. Selling is easy. I don't ship till the money is in the bank. Then I ship immediatly and often faster then what was agreed too.
But buying on the other hand is always a risk. If I desire something expensive enough that I would get mad if I lost the money then I simply don't use eBay.
Your comment is actually fantastically smart. If they found probes and they resemble earth organisms at any level then we will be forced to consider that some Earth probe put them there.
And if they don't resemble organisms we must still think about the possibilty. UV radiation does cause genetic mutation.
If we conclude, or even give credence to the idea that this might be stuff we put there we must not peg that idea with too much negativity. This would lend serious credit to the (until now) sci-fi idea of terraforming.
I won't even pretend to have the knowledge to make an intelligent comment on this stuff. Smarter people then me may be able to poke holes in my ideas.
I was just impressed with how much thought your comment put into my head. I think you were being sarcastic, but I think you have a real point.
But since I have the eyes of fellow Usenet users allow me to try again.
Bottom line: Anyone that has used Usenet knows it is supperior to P2P networks.
The only advantage that P2P networks enjoy over Usenet is the ability to find whatever you are looking for immediatly. With Usenet if you want something obscure you will probably not find it today. But the beauty of usenet is if you request it, and be patient it will be posted. And during that time you will find tons of stuff to peak your interest. And the audio quality is almost always supperior to P2P networks.
That being the case here is my question.
Why is it that the media says NOTHING of usenet?
I pick up the newspaper and P2P was invented by Satan himself. But usenet is not mentioned anywhere.
I am not complaining mind you. I have always just kinda shook my head whenever I read about the evils of P2P wondering this.
Shhhh.....
We don't talk about Usenet.
Anyone else wonder why the RIAA and the movie industry cries the blues about P2P networks but we never hear about usenet?
As far as I am concerned usenet is more reliable and the stuff is often of higher quality.
My theory is that there is even less they can do about usenet then the P2P networks. They figure that if they don't talk about usenet then a minnimum number of people will use it.
Hmmm.
Well if the big networks want to continue existing then they need to change. They need to look no farther then the RIAA to see what it is like to buck the digital revolution.
Myself, I would be perfectly willing to pay for commercial free versions of COMEDY CENTRAL and SCI-FI. The networks can go screw themselves though.
As far as Enterprise? That is an excellent question. Give me the opportunity to subscribe to it for a year commercial free VIA my cable connection to my TIVO and lets see how that works out.
So I guess it leaves a business model like this:
Networks offer commercial free versions for a price.
Subscriptions to particular programs monthly/yearly.
And traditional commercial/free service.
Make a TIVO (or similar device) mandatory for the paid versions and suddenly the networks love my little TIVO as much as I do.
To top it off the networks off season premier, pilot episodes and occasional special episodes for free.
Hey HBO has been doing this for years.
For me this creates a number of problems.
Problem #1: I am already paying $80/month for cable as it is. That is all I can afford for that. I think most people would consider there current cable bill as high as can be. How can they offer this stuff and not step on the cable companies toes?
Problem #2: Traditional advertising. Screw the networks. If they follow my advice they could do fine. What about all the other companies that rely on tv advertising? Where do they go now?
Read the article, it is fascinating.
The surgeon didn't knowingly cause the seizures.
Computer operators (that could be me!) were 'programming' him (oooohhhhh doesn't THAT open up a whole new set of nightmares?).
Actually they were doing work calibrating the camera software with the Phospores (whatever it is called, I am too lazy to look up the right name).
They were showing off for wired and allowed dude to calibrate himself.
The good doctor wasn't properly monitoring this fiasco in the making.
Dude calibrating himself ultimatly proved to be a real bad idea.
I don't hold the doctor responsible for 'causing' the seizure. However I do think it was a poor oversite on his part to allow computer operators to work on this guy without proper supervision.
Oh the fun I would have. If a Gran Maul seizure was all that happened.....
Actually......
/.'ers Go!
There bandwith providers are going to charge the RIAA for the bandwith used for the DOS attack.
And...
In a worst case scenerio they might actually get dropped by there providers.
Seems to me that DOS'ing the RIAA isn't such a bad thing.
I support it.
Go
Okay I am already paying the cable company.
I pay for Sinemax, Showtime and HBO.
The only channels that get any viewing time from me are Sinemax, Showtime, HBO, Comedy Central and Sci-Fi.
I would be perfectly willing to pay extra for CC and Sci-Fi ADD FREE and do away with all those other channels.
Am I alone in feeling this way?
And yes, I do have a Tivo.
Lets /. the government. The bill is real. Go here:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c107:1:./tem p/~c107CgL4U9::
I feel that there is a lot of truth to record sales being down.
I think it has a lot to do with just how unimaginably BAD music is today.
Something happened. Maybe MTV. I am really not sure. But over and over again I am left with that feeling that when Kurt Cobain died something seriously changed in this world.
Consider:
All the great bands that we get excited about. How many were around before Kurt Cobain offed himself?
The music industry is to blame for this mess. Not you, not me. Certainly not Mom and Pop second hand record stores (God Bless 'em).
I find it ironic that someone like yourself would use a word like 'frelling' in your subject.
Ooohhhh I forgot about that.
Yeah that struck me as just plain evil.
I hope we have seen the last of that. I am of the oppinion that DC apps can be useful and legitimate things. Last thing I want is people to start putting stuff like Seti in the same category as that Kazzaa crap.
No offense
But Kazzaa is not a DC app.
It is a P2P app.
a P2P app is to a DC app as Survivor is to Eco-Challenge.
Okay I am not first to say this. But 8 months?!?! What are the odds that I will run it for 8 months... continously... without being distracted by another DC project?
/. Now imagine that your PC generated exact results from 1950-2000. A perfect model.
Also these people are entirely too green and liberal for my tastes. At first it is a very thought provoking idea. But these people already have preconcevied conclusions... and that isn't very good science.
Try this little thought experiment.
You can get the gist of what they are doing by reading
And then its results said that from 2000-2050 the Earth would cool down to 1950 levels.
Nother words no global warming took place.
Now go and read there website....
What do you think they would think of those results?
That isn't good science.
I mean these people have yet to generate a product and they are already tossing about the possibility of Oil Companies messing with there results.
Hello... McFly???
You know what I would really like to see?
Someone that doesn't have a chip on there shoulder take this project over.
Recode it so it doesn't take no 8 monhts.
1 month is probably the maximum it should take.
And cut all the Green Liberal Save the Whales crap out of it.
Then I might be interested.
I run NO Distributed Computing (DC) project unless it follows these rules:
/. article accusing a DC app of loading in spyware, or a trojan of any sort. But I have faith that it will come.
1. Must Be Non-Profit. If it is for Profit I Must get a cut.
A. example: Seti@Home is run by the University of Berkley.
B. United Devices is for profit (think about it, Drug companies will make money). However, Easynews.com gives me 2 free Gigs of access a month for running it. Hey all I want is a piece, and I am getting it.
2. A DC project must be bug free. This may seem like a bloody obvious sort of thing. But considering the state of software releases nowadays one might think I am asking for a miracle! Seriously I understand the point of Version 2 releases and stuff like that. As long as it is handled competently and professionally I probably will forgive them. But I will have zero patience for a DC project that crashes my machine or keeps me from running ANY app. And that leads me to rule 3...
3. A DC must take a back seat to.. everything. It must also be maintence free.
Does this require any explanation?
4. Finally, it must be controversy free.
I have yet to come across a
My point of view is this. There is a definite problem with the record industry, sales probably are not what they should be, but MP3's are not the problem. I work in Computer Operations, I am surrounded by people that are constantly on the cutting edge of technology. The thing is this, for all the trouble I have gone through I don't have a single friend that makes or even cares about MP3's. I am alone. Seems to me that if MP3's were the evil the RIAA says they are I should at least know someone that uses them. Here is what is really wrong. Music today sucks ass. Im sorry but for the last 5 years or so the quality of music has gotten so bad that I actually get excited about groups like NIN and Marilyn Manson. I have a little mesurement about music quality. It is real simple really. Will my kids like it? Think about it. MM and NIN, you have to have been in the moment (and I was) to enjoy that stuff. You just cant simply pick it up. But look at things like Don McLeans American Pie. There is a song that is way before my time, but I still love it. It stands up. There really isn't any music that stands up anymore. From my viewpoint this is the final evolution of MTV. MTV has killed music, not MP3.