Sorry, I should have explained. I live in a country where the police are expected to obey the law too.
A cop is not treated the same as a member of the public.
There's your problem. The moment someone in law enforcement acts contrary to their role, they _are_ a member of the public. Acting illegal is clearly not part of the job.
What would you suggest then? Longer suspension? Jail time? I think 45 day suspension and mandatory retraining is an appropriate punishment for not stopping the beating soon enough.
Suspension and retraining is internal discipline. Where are the criminal charges any member of the public would have had to face?
But when you're out on the street at night arresting a repeat offender, your mind is probably not so quick
The low average IQ of police officers does not give them an excuse to tacitly assist anybody physically assault someone for over a minute.
And yes, it's assistance. If a police officer hits me, and I hit him back, the other four police officers stood around will join in hitting me. That means their mere presence is indeed helping the one that's physically assaulting me.
I call bullshit. More people learned to program on C64 and Speccies at home than on a BBC model B.
The C64 and Speccie were games platforms. Games were played by kids. Kids tried writing their own. Those kids became the games programmers and software engineers of the 90s.
I don't care that it has security features never yet matched by any civilisation in the galaxy. I don't care that it has a workflow facility capable of running a health service. I don't care that it supports more media formats than most operating systems.
Notes sucks. Sucks sucks sucks.
It's slow, unusable, impossible to configure, unproductive, obscure, arcane, incomprehensible, annoying and outmoded.
Trust me, the demise of Notes has fuck all to do with marketing.
The problem is, following De Menezes, following Tomlinson, following uncensured non-lethal police brutality attached to every protest of the past decade, people instinctively don't believe police reports.
The police do lie, do protect their own and don't apply the law equally to themselves. The IPCC's going to have to produce some pretty serious evidence that the police acted correctly in shooting Mark Duggan if they want to defuse those tensions.
If Spurs can't play any home matches all season, forcing relegation, due to riots on the high street there, then I'll have to revise my condemnation of the looting and thank them.
It's amazing what I'll support if it'll cause distress to 'Arry.
Not quite. You can bet everybody arrested has had every message on their mobile device read, and used to track down the correspondent.
Receiving a message saying, "get 2 St Anne sq" five minutes before a jewellery store is ransacked there is no indication of criminality, but probably justify a search warrant on the home of the person that sent it to you.
On Tuesday a female colleague stayed late in the office because the regular police reports constantly stated, "No major trouble, just minor scuffles, no cause for concern".
I went to collect my housemate because social media said, "Car on fire 2 miles away, shops looted 1 mile away, shop on fire half a mile away, pitched battles in the square a mile and a half away" including several incidents directly between my house and the station my housemate would normally arrive home at.
My housemate made it safely home without seeing any trouble. My colleague got caught up amongst looters and had to turn back to the office. Had it been London on Monday rather than Tuesday on Manchester, she'd have been mugged; luckily the looters in Manchester were only targeting stores and not individuals.
Tell me exactly how shutting down social media will be beneficial here, when the looters will be able to organise anyway but every fucker else will find it harder to find out what's actually happening?
Slippery slope my arse; immediate negative impact on the general public for absolutely no fucking benefit.
You forgot the UKs top seller on the PC, Football Manager, Company of Heroes/Dawn of War/60 other RTS games, Borderlands, the Total War series, the X series (X:btf, X2, X3:R, X3:TC), F1 2010...
Several of those can be played online, and some of them have massive online communities, but they all support disconnected extensive offline play, and I've personally clocked well over a thousand single-player hours on the various incarnations of those games over the past few years.
I do a lot of online gaming, but I still love my single-player gaming experience, with its pause button, its support for 'fail, retry' difficulty levels, its lack of children.
In this day and age of $50 2Tb drives having someone's inbox shut down because of plain old emails is just lame.
The cost of email storage is significantly higher than the price of a retail storage disk. Particularly if you want resilience, backup, regulatory compliance, performance, availability and support.
Not that I can actually find any 2Tb drives for $50..
Rioting, which in the UK carries a maximum jail term of ten years. The CPS (not the police - they don't prosecute) would argue that the individual could only have been hit with SmartWater if they had been in the vicinity of a riot.
People I work with were walking through Manchester last night. They had no choice; the office is in the city centre.
If the police sprayed rioters with water, my colleagues would've got wet. Shit, my car would have a new colour, I had to drive through a pack of them to get home myself.
Being in the vicinity of a riot is not against the law. Living, working or frankly just walking through a city in which a riot is occurring is not against the law. Being charged with a crime because some cunt in a landrover turned a hose on you would be grounds for some serious civil disturbance.
I don't support, I don't like and I don't want the rioting, the looting or the stupidity of the last few nights. I also refuse to accept encroachment of civil liberties to prevent it. The law is already sufficiently strong, and it's too easy to get your life fucked up by zealous, incompetent or corrupt policemen anyway..
Wait, what? You're suggesting the police should _not_ act in self defence?
The official police story on this is that the officer opened fire because he felt there was a threat to his life.
The legality of the non-police firearm found on the scene has absolutely nothing to do with it.
So no, the violation of strict gun laws is utterly fucking irrelevant. An armed policeman feeling justified in shooting in self-defence was the incident that led to the protest that escalated into the rioting.
Whether policeman was justified or not will be determined by a subsequent enquiry. A reason the protest happened was that such enquiries have historically found the police to be entirely blameless, even where all evidence suggests that they've acted illegally - and again, fuck all to do with the strict gun laws.
I don't actually like our gun laws, but please, at least argue against them using a basic minimum of knowledge, logic and intelligence.
Before spouting your racist views, can you please factor in levels of income, inherited wealth, education, opportunity, treatment by civil authorities, treatment by law enforcement, treatment by the judicial system and other factors that generally demonstrate that race is rarely the issue and that you're a bigot.
So around 8% profit. Sorry, that's a little less than 1000%. I don't know how much they pay their suppliers, but it's the customers that are benefiting.
The vast majority of residents leaving Manchester that night made their support for the actions clear.
I thought so too. They said, "I can't understand why they're doing it", and "I had to give up and come back to the office and ring for help", and "Yeah, I got pretty scared", and "Can you come and pick me up please?" and, "I need to leave before it all kicks off".
Maybe it's only those stupid fuckwits that actually work for a living, paying the taxes that fund the incredibly poverty stricken underclass' sky tv, blackberry mobiles and trainers from JD Sports that think the looters are immature opportunistic criminals.
Trying to tie the looting in Manchester last night to globalisation issues is nearly as idiotic as the looting itself.
A retarded screed if ever there was one. Facebook is a great way for me to keep in touch with my family 2000 miles away. 100 years ago, I'd have written letters and used the phone. Same fucking thing.
Not the same thing at all. You can write without telling the postal service all of your personal details, and having them sell them on. You can phone without giving out more than a billing address.
You can also use multiple Internet services or write your own to keep in touch with your family 2000 miles away. You don't need Facebook to do this.
So no, it's not the same fucking thing. Anyway, how 'bout spending time with your family instead of being 2000 miles away posting bullshit to slashdot?
will get what they can and avoid actually paying for it
Yeah, but that's because Apple emptied the stock from their stores before the riots, so everyone had to loot Android devices instead.
That aside, you're spouting nonsense - I still haven't found an Android tablet that comes for free. Even Pierre Cardin is charging for their under-spec old OS fake-leather-cased one, and nobody actually _wants_ that.
Daily Mail photo was linked from the Guardian blog and is (ironically) better than the cropped version being shown on the wenn.com website (the photographer works for WENN).
Problem is, terminate internet communications and you'll rile far more people. Not to mention break thousands of businesses, heavily damaging the economy.
In other news, all I can hear are helicopters and sirens..
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Sorry, I should have explained. I live in a country where the police are expected to obey the law too.
A cop is not treated the same as a member of the public.
There's your problem. The moment someone in law enforcement acts contrary to their role, they _are_ a member of the public. Acting illegal is clearly not part of the job.
What would you suggest then? Longer suspension? Jail time? I think 45 day suspension and mandatory retraining is an appropriate punishment for not stopping the beating soon enough.
Suspension and retraining is internal discipline. Where are the criminal charges any member of the public would have had to face?
But when you're out on the street at night arresting a repeat offender, your mind is probably not so quick
The low average IQ of police officers does not give them an excuse to tacitly assist anybody physically assault someone for over a minute.
And yes, it's assistance. If a police officer hits me, and I hit him back, the other four police officers stood around will join in hitting me. That means their mere presence is indeed helping the one that's physically assaulting me.
I call bullshit. More people learned to program on C64 and Speccies at home than on a BBC model B.
The C64 and Speccie were games platforms. Games were played by kids. Kids tried writing their own. Those kids became the games programmers and software engineers of the 90s.
I know this, I'm one of them.
And yet.. yet... somehow.. Notes sucks.
Truly, seriously, absolutely. Notes sucks donkeys.
I don't care that it has security features never yet matched by any civilisation in the galaxy. I don't care that it has a workflow facility capable of running a health service. I don't care that it supports more media formats than most operating systems.
Notes sucks. Sucks sucks sucks.
It's slow, unusable, impossible to configure, unproductive, obscure, arcane, incomprehensible, annoying and outmoded.
Trust me, the demise of Notes has fuck all to do with marketing.
Surely you mean Buttle?
The problem is, following De Menezes, following Tomlinson, following uncensured non-lethal police brutality attached to every protest of the past decade, people instinctively don't believe police reports.
The police do lie, do protect their own and don't apply the law equally to themselves. The IPCC's going to have to produce some pretty serious evidence that the police acted correctly in shooting Mark Duggan if they want to defuse those tensions.
No, the riot act had no consequences at all, such as indemnity to anybody that injures or kills a rioter that failed to disperse.
Ironic indeed that people were rioting and looting the very street that next week will remember the anniversary of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterloo_Massacre
Check the footage on the news websites, the social media websites on youtube.. The looters are multi-racial.
No white people being hunted by the police at all, sure:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/uknews/8690951/London-riots-CCTV-pictures-of-suspects-are-released-by-the-Metropolitan-Police.html
Keep your racist bullshit off here please.
If Spurs can't play any home matches all season, forcing relegation, due to riots on the high street there, then I'll have to revise my condemnation of the looting and thank them.
It's amazing what I'll support if it'll cause distress to 'Arry.
thus defeating all types of signal intelligence
Not quite. You can bet everybody arrested has had every message on their mobile device read, and used to track down the correspondent.
Receiving a message saying, "get 2 St Anne sq" five minutes before a jewellery store is ransacked there is no indication of criminality, but probably justify a search warrant on the home of the person that sent it to you.
On Tuesday a female colleague stayed late in the office because the regular police reports constantly stated, "No major trouble, just minor scuffles, no cause for concern".
I went to collect my housemate because social media said, "Car on fire 2 miles away, shops looted 1 mile away, shop on fire half a mile away, pitched battles in the square a mile and a half away" including several incidents directly between my house and the station my housemate would normally arrive home at.
My housemate made it safely home without seeing any trouble. My colleague got caught up amongst looters and had to turn back to the office. Had it been London on Monday rather than Tuesday on Manchester, she'd have been mugged; luckily the looters in Manchester were only targeting stores and not individuals.
Tell me exactly how shutting down social media will be beneficial here, when the looters will be able to organise anyway but every fucker else will find it harder to find out what's actually happening?
Slippery slope my arse; immediate negative impact on the general public for absolutely no fucking benefit.
You forgot the UKs top seller on the PC, Football Manager, Company of Heroes/Dawn of War/60 other RTS games, Borderlands, the Total War series, the X series (X:btf, X2, X3:R, X3:TC), F1 2010...
Several of those can be played online, and some of them have massive online communities, but they all support disconnected extensive offline play, and I've personally clocked well over a thousand single-player hours on the various incarnations of those games over the past few years.
I do a lot of online gaming, but I still love my single-player gaming experience, with its pause button, its support for 'fail, retry' difficulty levels, its lack of children.
5 billion short, by my reckoning.
Or aren't you _serious_ about saving the planet?
In the UK even the deals don't get that low :(
In this day and age of $50 2Tb drives having someone's inbox shut down because of plain old emails is just lame.
The cost of email storage is significantly higher than the price of a retail storage disk. Particularly if you want resilience, backup, regulatory compliance, performance, availability and support.
Not that I can actually find any 2Tb drives for $50..
Trust me, learning as an adult in the UK is fucking expensive.
And yes, I live here.
Rioting, which in the UK carries a maximum jail term of ten years. The CPS (not the police - they don't prosecute) would argue that the individual could only have been hit with SmartWater if they had been in the vicinity of a riot.
People I work with were walking through Manchester last night. They had no choice; the office is in the city centre.
If the police sprayed rioters with water, my colleagues would've got wet. Shit, my car would have a new colour, I had to drive through a pack of them to get home myself.
Being in the vicinity of a riot is not against the law. Living, working or frankly just walking through a city in which a riot is occurring is not against the law. Being charged with a crime because some cunt in a landrover turned a hose on you would be grounds for some serious civil disturbance.
I don't support, I don't like and I don't want the rioting, the looting or the stupidity of the last few nights. I also refuse to accept encroachment of civil liberties to prevent it. The law is already sufficiently strong, and it's too easy to get your life fucked up by zealous, incompetent or corrupt policemen anyway..
Wait, what? You're suggesting the police should _not_ act in self defence?
The official police story on this is that the officer opened fire because he felt there was a threat to his life.
The legality of the non-police firearm found on the scene has absolutely nothing to do with it.
So no, the violation of strict gun laws is utterly fucking irrelevant. An armed policeman feeling justified in shooting in self-defence was the incident that led to the protest that escalated into the rioting.
Whether policeman was justified or not will be determined by a subsequent enquiry. A reason the protest happened was that such enquiries have historically found the police to be entirely blameless, even where all evidence suggests that they've acted illegally - and again, fuck all to do with the strict gun laws.
I don't actually like our gun laws, but please, at least argue against them using a basic minimum of knowledge, logic and intelligence.
Before spouting your racist views, can you please factor in levels of income, inherited wealth, education, opportunity, treatment by civil authorities, treatment by law enforcement, treatment by the judicial system and other factors that generally demonstrate that race is rarely the issue and that you're a bigot.
Hence Manchester Police adopting tactics of "Take off your scarf/mask/hat/hood" on everyone in the city, irrespective of any evidence of wrongdoing.
That way the CCTV and other cameras have a face to work from; any individual can be tracked back to that one camera.
The cameras didn't prevent any looting, but they will help catch and convict a lot of people in the next few days/weeks.
if there's an uber-delete, please delete this fucking troll, and my reply (this.)
Oh fuck no, you posted this utter bullshit, now deal with it.
people are waking up to the fact that JD sports make 1000% profits whilst employing slaves in China for pennies, causing rife unemployment here.
JD Sports Annual Report 2011:
Revenue : £883m
Operating Profit: £76m
So around 8% profit. Sorry, that's a little less than 1000%. I don't know how much they pay their suppliers, but it's the customers that are benefiting.
The vast majority of residents leaving Manchester that night made their support for the actions clear.
I thought so too. They said, "I can't understand why they're doing it", and "I had to give up and come back to the office and ring for help", and "Yeah, I got pretty scared", and "Can you come and pick me up please?" and, "I need to leave before it all kicks off".
Maybe it's only those stupid fuckwits that actually work for a living, paying the taxes that fund the incredibly poverty stricken underclass' sky tv, blackberry mobiles and trainers from JD Sports that think the looters are immature opportunistic criminals.
Trying to tie the looting in Manchester last night to globalisation issues is nearly as idiotic as the looting itself.
A retarded screed if ever there was one. Facebook is a great way for me to keep in touch with my family 2000 miles away. 100 years ago, I'd have written letters and used the phone. Same fucking thing.
Not the same thing at all. You can write without telling the postal service all of your personal details, and having them sell them on. You can phone without giving out more than a billing address.
You can also use multiple Internet services or write your own to keep in touch with your family 2000 miles away. You don't need Facebook to do this.
So no, it's not the same fucking thing. Anyway, how 'bout spending time with your family instead of being 2000 miles away posting bullshit to slashdot?
will get what they can and avoid actually paying for it
Yeah, but that's because Apple emptied the stock from their stores before the riots, so everyone had to loot Android devices instead.
That aside, you're spouting nonsense - I still haven't found an Android tablet that comes for free. Even Pierre Cardin is charging for their under-spec old OS fake-leather-cased one, and nobody actually _wants_ that.
Daily Mail photo was linked from the Guardian blog and is (ironically) better than the cropped version being shown on the wenn.com website (the photographer works for WENN).
C) Has anyone else noticed
Yes :)
Problem is, terminate internet communications and you'll rile far more people. Not to mention break thousands of businesses, heavily damaging the economy.
In other news, all I can hear are helicopters and sirens..