"We were a port of safety in the storm." “It’s a free. Fucking. Country.”
This article really makes me angry. Who does this support other than the IT industry that supplies them with 500 Million in servers, networking equipment & infrastructure? What is this data center going to do? A grad student could design a decent database system for trades and banking. So they now have a 500 million $ data center, are they now going to use that scrape a few more milliseconds off there HFT's or the associated algorithm's? Are they going to figure out the optimal market strategy to beat there competitors? They can't possibly have enough data to fill something like that, so it has to computation power, right?
How does this contribute to society other than support an electric company? Don't give me liquidity bullshit.
Separate your banking from investing and then we can talk about how "banks" like this isn't a plague on society./rant
A penny per share tax is a buck on a round lot trade of 100 shares to kill HFTs. The problem is I don't lose a buck to HFTs but I would lose a buck to the govt. Its just a cheesy stealth taxation plan. Blame the HFTs, rich people suck, horray for the 99% we're gonna destroy HFTs, but the only real end result is the govt takes more of my money. So a transaction tax is a great way to cause a couple orders of magnitude more damage to the economy than HFTs could theoretically ever cause.
Who's to say this money would go to the government? Don't exchanges need to pay huge amounts of money for infrastructure to support this activity? Also, isn't there a clear segregation between "normal" traffic and this high speed traffic?
This still doesn't explain the fixation on killing HFTs. So they get a "sin" tax. On what sin, exactly? nobody knows.
WRT increasing transaction volume to make more than $1000... Remember that superman movie where Richard Pryor took all the fractional cents out of everyone paycheck, put them in a pile, and kept that substantial amount? Well HFT is like that in trades where a bunch of competing HFTs fight each other to, on long term average, determine the sub-cent price of a share priced in cents, and then, essentially, the HFT who skims off the least amount on top of the sub cent slice beats the greedier HFTs and keeps the extra skim. Well, in the movie, if Richard Pryor wanted more money, he'd have to make more transactions, make more paychecks. But Mr Pryor doesn't get to decide how many times paychecks are written per month (Weekly checks? Daily checks?), or how many people are employed... This tired old hollywood plot was recycled into Office Space, and probably many more movies. There's only like 50 movies, endlessly redone.
Ya ya ya, we all know the old skimming scheme that's become possible because of electronics controlling money. Just because there is a way to manipulate a system, doesn't make it a good thing. 21 is a good (blackjack)movie, but will still get you thrown out of a casino. There's nothing to say that these HFT's aren't skimming money from regular investors and vice-versa. That said though, why does the market exist in the first place? It's not for a bunch of machines to race to the penny.
Think about making a competitive system to determine the sub cent fractional price of shares traded at cent rounded prices. Read the wikipedia article below. You pretty much end up reinventing HFT.
Instead of sending me to a generic NP-Hard problem, I find this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-frequency_trading#Effects far more interesting. Particularly the part where these machines submit orders and then instantly cancel them in order to find how high/low the market's machines are willing to go. I'm sure there is some very complicated algorithms(combination of networking and math) that go into finding the optimal way to beat others at this game...
I like the idea of a lot of competing HFTs from a lot of companies fighting each other in a race to the bottom to rip me off the least. Worst case is we damage the HFT ecosystem just enough that two companies get all the fractional skim and have no limits on greed because the government helpfully destroyed all the competition for them. Yes. That would be bad.
I do agree that the current competition scheme is better than an artificially created mono
Wouldn't a penny "transactions fee" or "tax" solve this issue instead of just pushing it further down the line? Also, what's to stop somebody from doing even more transactions to make that $1000 into a much larger number?
The easiest way to "get rid of" HFT is to fix decimalization. Back when we traded on eights thats too wide to make money on a HFT strategy, and if we allowed millionth of a penny trading quotes that would narrow bid/ask resulting in too little money generated by HFT. Decimalization seems to be almost the perfect pricing system to result in massive HFT strategies, so if you really hate HFT (and WHY?) then just fix the pricing structure so its not profitable anymore. Rather than playing games with legal enforcement of favored or disfavored behavior, simply make disfavored behavior unprofitable. I suppose the opposite solution of going big would work just as well, fine we'll only trade stocks on dollar values now no fractions of a dollar.
Don't forget that it was possible to game they system in different ways when they traded on fractions. Changing the decimal system seems a bit overkill(also, I'm still a bit confused how that wouldn't create further issues?) when a small tax on ultrafast trades/a small delay on the stock exchange end would solve the problem created by these HFT machines.
Your comment isn't very intelligible. Are you confusing cryptography with computer security, perhaps?
I know they are two separate topics (albeit related to some extent), I was just kinda generalizing that there is always a flaw in the system, obviously a buffer overflow doesn't have anything to do with cryptography... and I forgot to hit the "Post Anonymously" button.
There are no myth's of security, just the myth of security itself. Modern computer security is based on the fact that their are algorithms that no one knows how to reverse quickly. Doesn't mean that they can't be reversed however...
That statement does not pertain specifically to mod chips or software, but is a general statement about such goods.
Hardware, batteries, etc that are counterfeit can and have caused injury and death.
Counterfeit medicine, vitamins, and supplements have caused sickness and death.
Counterfeit toys and children's clothing contain dangerous chemicals, lead based paint, are missing flame retardants, or are made of flammable material.
Absolutely counterfeit good are bad for the market and for public health, but what he was arrested for ("felony tinkering" not for attempting to misrepresent his product as the real thing) will always lead to cries of absurdity.
This was something that was discussed in Bruce Schnier discussed in his book ( http://www.schneier.com/book-sos.html ). Preventing people from taking liquid onto an airplane is just going to end up with more booze sales and anybody who truly wants to get a liquid onto an airplane for horrible reasons is still going to be very difficult to stop.
I was going to say that I am going to patent paraphrasing as a technique for circumventing this technology, but then I remembered that would a violation of the DMCA...
Aren't the bar patrons voluntarily supplying their personal information when they hand their ID over to the bouncer with a scanner?
You cannot get into the bar in most cases without handing it over to be scanned. To reference the comparison to online privacy, you do not need to provide your driver license number (or anything personal info) to FB to "get in". Also, FB, in a perfect world, would be be able to use that information to help you relate to people, while all the bar is using it for is to log people's activities./.'ers probably don't like the idea of being tracked by non-voluntarily databases, not the idea of voluntarily handing over information.
Apple knows how to tech-support the iTunes application and the iPod firmware. It does not know how to tech-support a third-party app or Rockbox firmware.
I will give you the fact that Apple has the right to provide support on whatever they want too. However by opening a my iPod box I did not sign a contract giving Apple the exclusive right to tell me what I can and can not do with my iPod. If I want to use my iPod to unclog my sink then I can. I am capable of reasoning that if I call Apple and say "my iPod broke and it failed to unclog my drains" they arent going to help me get a warranty replacement, nor help me unclog my drains.
To finish the analogy I want to use XYZ music player to upload music to a portable music player that I own then I certainly hope that I can. At the same time, I am capable of reasoning that I cannot call Apple when XYZ music player stops working properly...
About time, people have been asking for this since Gutiar Hero 1 I believe, that said, they are requiring that you get the premium subscription to the XNA creators network ($100 per year) according the link.
I've spent most of this week studying for finals, and this has been great just to leave up in the background instead of music. It's unfortunate from an entertainment stance that this is the final spacewalk, however I do realize just how dangerous that it is to be out there.
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"We were a port of safety in the storm."
“It’s a free. Fucking. Country.”
This article really makes me angry. Who does this support other than the IT industry that supplies them with 500 Million in servers, networking equipment & infrastructure?
What is this data center going to do? A grad student could design a decent database system for trades and banking. So they now have a 500 million $ data center, are they now going to use that scrape a few more milliseconds off there HFT's or the associated algorithm's? Are they going to figure out the optimal market strategy to beat there competitors? They can't possibly have enough data to fill something like that, so it has to computation power, right?
How does this contribute to society other than support an electric company? Don't give me liquidity bullshit.
Separate your banking from investing and then we can talk about how "banks" like this isn't a plague on society. /rant
A penny per share tax is a buck on a round lot trade of 100 shares to kill HFTs. The problem is I don't lose a buck to HFTs but I would lose a buck to the govt. Its just a cheesy stealth taxation plan. Blame the HFTs, rich people suck, horray for the 99% we're gonna destroy HFTs, but the only real end result is the govt takes more of my money. So a transaction tax is a great way to cause a couple orders of magnitude more damage to the economy than HFTs could theoretically ever cause.
Who's to say this money would go to the government? Don't exchanges need to pay huge amounts of money for infrastructure to support this activity? Also, isn't there a clear segregation between "normal" traffic and this high speed traffic?
This still doesn't explain the fixation on killing HFTs. So they get a "sin" tax. On what sin, exactly? nobody knows.
Because financial engineering has just been so beneficial to society... /s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-frequency_trading#Effects
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Flash_Crash
WRT increasing transaction volume to make more than $1000... Remember that superman movie where Richard Pryor took all the fractional cents out of everyone paycheck, put them in a pile, and kept that substantial amount? Well HFT is like that in trades where a bunch of competing HFTs fight each other to, on long term average, determine the sub-cent price of a share priced in cents, and then, essentially, the HFT who skims off the least amount on top of the sub cent slice beats the greedier HFTs and keeps the extra skim. Well, in the movie, if Richard Pryor wanted more money, he'd have to make more transactions, make more paychecks. But Mr Pryor doesn't get to decide how many times paychecks are written per month (Weekly checks? Daily checks?), or how many people are employed... This tired old hollywood plot was recycled into Office Space, and probably many more movies. There's only like 50 movies, endlessly redone.
Ya ya ya, we all know the old skimming scheme that's become possible because of electronics controlling money. Just because there is a way to manipulate a system, doesn't make it a good thing. 21 is a good (blackjack)movie, but will still get you thrown out of a casino. There's nothing to say that these HFT's aren't skimming money from regular investors and vice-versa. That said though, why does the market exist in the first place? It's not for a bunch of machines to race to the penny.
Think about making a competitive system to determine the sub cent fractional price of shares traded at cent rounded prices. Read the wikipedia article below. You pretty much end up reinventing HFT.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_annealing
Instead of sending me to a generic NP-Hard problem, I find this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-frequency_trading#Effects far more interesting. Particularly the part where these machines submit orders and then instantly cancel them in order to find how high/low the market's machines are willing to go. I'm sure there is some very complicated algorithms(combination of networking and math) that go into finding the optimal way to beat others at this game...
I like the idea of a lot of competing HFTs from a lot of companies fighting each other in a race to the bottom to rip me off the least. Worst case is we damage the HFT ecosystem just enough that two companies get all the fractional skim and have no limits on greed because the government helpfully destroyed all the competition for them. Yes. That would be bad.
I do agree that the current competition scheme is better than an artificially created mono
Wouldn't a penny "transactions fee" or "tax" solve this issue instead of just pushing it further down the line? Also, what's to stop somebody from doing even more transactions to make that $1000 into a much larger number?
The easiest way to "get rid of" HFT is to fix decimalization. Back when we traded on eights thats too wide to make money on a HFT strategy, and if we allowed millionth of a penny trading quotes that would narrow bid/ask resulting in too little money generated by HFT. Decimalization seems to be almost the perfect pricing system to result in massive HFT strategies, so if you really hate HFT (and WHY?) then just fix the pricing structure so its not profitable anymore. Rather than playing games with legal enforcement of favored or disfavored behavior, simply make disfavored behavior unprofitable. I suppose the opposite solution of going big would work just as well, fine we'll only trade stocks on dollar values now no fractions of a dollar.
Don't forget that it was possible to game they system in different ways when they traded on fractions. Changing the decimal system seems a bit overkill(also, I'm still a bit confused how that wouldn't create further issues?) when a small tax on ultrafast trades/a small delay on the stock exchange end would solve the problem created by these HFT machines.
But 1 million is such a large number that it couldn't possibly happen! They should have just used 22 in 1 million to begin with...
Your comment isn't very intelligible. Are you confusing cryptography with computer security, perhaps?
I know they are two separate topics (albeit related to some extent), I was just kinda generalizing that there is always a flaw in the system, obviously a buffer overflow doesn't have anything to do with cryptography... and I forgot to hit the "Post Anonymously" button.
There are no myth's of security, just the myth of security itself. Modern computer security is based on the fact that their are algorithms that no one knows how to reverse quickly. Doesn't mean that they can't be reversed however...
It may have better bandwidth, but I hope you have less latency then the 1.25 sec on the moon(1).
1 - http://www.vendian.org/envelope/dir0/light_delay.html
Who modded that funny?
EXCELLENT, NOW THE WORLD WILL KNOW HOW ANGRY I AM WITH 8 BIT PRECISION!!!!! (/. rejected this comment until I added this in parenthesis )
This being /. it's pretty likely he doesn't know. Unfortunately, it's entirely beyond my writing ability to describe getting blown.
Didn't you just describe it?
...being chastised for not having experienced something related to intercourse on /. is...well...interesting...
I don't really want a display that will cause an explosion in my mind, I'm kinda attached to it...
That statement does not pertain specifically to mod chips or software, but is a general statement about such goods.
Hardware, batteries, etc that are counterfeit can and have caused injury and death. Counterfeit medicine, vitamins, and supplements have caused sickness and death. Counterfeit toys and children's clothing contain dangerous chemicals, lead based paint, are missing flame retardants, or are made of flammable material.
Absolutely counterfeit good are bad for the market and for public health, but what he was arrested for ("felony tinkering" not for attempting to misrepresent his product as the real thing) will always lead to cries of absurdity.
Turns out that Opputunity spotted this metorite in space. Heading towards earth. That is all.
This was something that was discussed in Bruce Schnier discussed in his book ( http://www.schneier.com/book-sos.html ). Preventing people from taking liquid onto an airplane is just going to end up with more booze sales and anybody who truly wants to get a liquid onto an airplane for horrible reasons is still going to be very difficult to stop.
The European Court of Justice, Europe's highest court, has ruled that... nuts
forgot this: http://www16.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=your+mother
Just to have some fun...
... seriously
printf("your mother");
printf("(C) 2009");
This post is "(C) 2009" because I am a computer... any attempts to quote or respond to this post will require written permission by my creator.
I was going to say that I am going to patent paraphrasing as a technique for circumventing this technology, but then I remembered that would a violation of the DMCA...
You cannot get into the bar in most cases without handing it over to be scanned. To reference the comparison to online privacy, you do not need to provide your driver license number (or anything personal info) to FB to "get in". Also, FB, in a perfect world, would be be able to use that information to help you relate to people, while all the bar is using it for is to log people's activities. /.'ers probably don't like the idea of being tracked by non-voluntarily databases, not the idea of voluntarily handing over information.
I got a weird pop-up last night on my Vista box, it greyed out the rest of my screen and read:
and had two choices:
As would the support costs.
and:
Apple knows how to tech-support the iTunes application and the iPod firmware. It does not know how to tech-support a third-party app or Rockbox firmware.
I will give you the fact that Apple has the right to provide support on whatever they want too. However by opening a my iPod box I did not sign a contract giving Apple the exclusive right to tell me what I can and can not do with my iPod. If I want to use my iPod to unclog my sink then I can. I am capable of reasoning that if I call Apple and say "my iPod broke and it failed to unclog my drains" they arent going to help me get a warranty replacement, nor help me unclog my drains.
To finish the analogy I want to use XYZ music player to upload music to a portable music player that I own then I certainly hope that I can. At the same time, I am capable of reasoning that I cannot call Apple when XYZ music player stops working properly...
I didn't really have a point honestly. I know that this is a relatively small barrier for entry, mostly just pointing it out.
About time, people have been asking for this since Gutiar Hero 1 I believe, that said, they are requiring that you get the premium subscription to the XNA creators network ($100 per year) according the link.
I've spent most of this week studying for finals, and this has been great just to leave up in the background instead of music. It's unfortunate from an entertainment stance that this is the final spacewalk, however I do realize just how dangerous that it is to be out there.