> It is interesting to see the different attitudes toward volunteering information to the government. If > NYC asked something like this, it would be an outrage and participation would be roughly 1% if it > moved forward at all.
actually, I bet that you would get very high participation rates of people that you ask. The really privacy concerned are a small but vocal percentage.
Frankly, I wouldn't even mind myself in a case like this where there was some assurance that all samples would be destroyed, except for the fact that its very hard to trust such statements when we have already seen evidence of vaccinations being done by intelligence service controlled operatives in Pakistan, for the very purpose of collecitng DNA samples without even patients consent.
A program to actually collect DNA here is going to have enough oversight to prevent the casual or intentional violation of this agreement? Not very likely.
Offer blowjobs. Why? Because frankly, I have physically touched a DVD maybe 3 times in the past year. I don't buy them anymore, I don't use them. The vast majority of media that I consume comes through my internet feed.
I just don't see these coming back, I am sure they have some niche for some people but, short of removing the net from people's homes? Blojobs is your most realistic answer; that or location....locate the store some place where this is not true and people still need DVDs for entertainment....beyond what the red vending machines at the supermarkets and discount dvd bins provide.... where people can't afford cable with on demand content.
I said wins for legalization not of. That is the way things are going, and that was obvious years ago when public attitude changed, its just really a matter of time now.
Talk about unexpected events! I would expect the investment to be rolling in with the recent wins for pot legalization. I mean, isn't that the old joke? If pot were ever legalized, Hostess would clean up?
Right because we need to put more money into the FBI, so they can find more slightly unstable people and give them the resources and push they need to look like a terrorist in court, as they don't have any more geriatric old men whose internal accomplices have all retired or died that are safe to arrest.
Better give it all to the CIA so they can continue to use their remote controlled murder machines to inspire the next generation of real terrorists.
No I am not. I am saying I supported someone others called an unviable candidate because, I am not willing to split hairs over which drone murder was a better fit.
I definitely agree now, and as a default, I want that assumed. However, If possible, I would like the opportunity to be asked, especially if there was a chance to be a part of research into people in my condition to potentially make communication easier or even computer interface possible, which could totally change the equation.... even if just for a little while.
Though, in some ways the only place you ever are is in your mind, I could see it being a totally different experience for some people. I can't imagine being ok with it for long without some serious advancements along that line to say the least.
Maybe one day, I could even be reborn with a robot interface.... though we all know where that leads...
The level of network knowledge in the general population is pretty low too, so its not like more than a small fraction of guests would even know where to begin. As such, the hotel has very little reason to worry about it, unless it causes a problem for the paying guest. (which I imagine this would? Never played with duplicate MACs on a wifi network)
Overall, I would imagine that, unless you do something that gets their attention (like stopping other guests access from working) they have little incentive to care that much or even look for "cheaters" since the cost of doing so could easily outweigh the benefit.
ditto for VPN, which then has to be explained to guests and means troubleshooting it for them. They would probably be better served by making it open access than really tightening it down.
Perhaps you missed the second half. I OWN the mail server. This is about so called 'abandoned messages'. I have no abandoned messages on the server I own, thus is not under any manner of third party control, and in fact, is simply a non-local personal mail store.
As I said, good luck handing me papers claiming that my personal email, on my server, which I administer is abandoned in the control of a third party.
TLS is not the be all and end all, it doesn't protect my mail from interception by the ISP of the person who sent the mail, or aquisition of their mail (though, one would need to know who each of the senders are and go after their mail individually)
However, what it most certainly does do...is ensure that MY ISP never sees the content of the email. Their mail servers are not MXs for my domain(s).
Depends on who is sending it but, TLS at the transport level takes care of that for most of my email. Good luck handing me an order for all of my emails sitting on my server. Abandoned my ass.
Why do you assume that every action is done of a genuine belief that its going to work? There is often value to a stunt, even if just to make a point. If anything, I think they are the smart ones in this system.
Its like I tell to some Obama supporters who can't stand Obama. They feel like voting for a 3rd party was wasting a vote, as if the consequences of an election end with who gets into office. Imagine the message sent to both parties if Stein, or Johnson handed Obama a loss.
Elections are not about who wins or loses, those are secondary issues. Elections are about what issues politicians feel safe standing on, and what issues they feel they need to fall into line on. These petitions serve a similar purpose...its not about breaking off, its about getting people talking about it, and about making them answer it.
Its definitely a silly tactic, but, I think there is plenty of room for that.
Control my dose? Dude I used to put 5 drops of liquid on a sugar cube. That is the last thing I am worried about. The nice thing about acid, and most psychedelics is that dose control isn't the difference between life and death. Its the difference between tripping decently for a while, and tripping harder for longer....
Morning glories are one of the exceptions as they are, slightly toxic. I know this from experience, I gave them a try. Got myself some HBWR, the good stuff. Did it twice, same toxic, effect. They did the job, but, it wasn't the most pleasant experience. In the 15 years or so since I did it.... I have not once considered repeating the experience.
Seriously, I had physical pain in my instep when I walked for 48 hours after ingestion, both times. Nothing else has ever done that to me. Never again...and the trip wasn't even that spectacular.
In any case, its been a while, but if I really wanted to, I know how to find myself some psychedelics, even without going to the black market. Hell, I remember ordering neat stuff from JLF: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JLF
The thing is, I almost made it down the hall and away... because my first thought was "Nerds arguing copyright.... RUN!". I made it about 3 doors further down before one of them said something that made me turn around.
I don't remember exactly what they were talking about so much as that, after about 5 minutes, somebody came up to me quietly, gestured and whispered "Is that Richard Stallman?", to which I nodded. Then he said, in a more excited whisper "R...M....S?", to which I must have beamed out what I was thinking all over my face (which was something like "are you serious dude?") because he gave me a little gesture like he understands this is normal for me as I must be like his best friend or something.
He then preceded to interject himself into the conversation until RMS and the book shop owner had teamed up to show him how wrong he was. (it was some point that ended in "Thats Altruism" as if he suddenly proved something was profoundly impossible). Pretty quickly RMS tired of this, made some comment, and stormed off down the hall to find something better to do...and this nerd looked at me and made some proclamation about how he was right and someday he would prove it....
I might argue that its a bit of both. First, there is not a 100% garauntee that they will be dead before this leads to cancer... just because it most probably wont happen for 30 years doesn't mean they will be dead, or that it will definitely take 30 years, just thats most likely and expected. (of course, there is also not 100% certainty that, if they do get it in 30 years, that they wouldn't have anyway)
Secondly, cancer is probably not the only danger in the job, and its going to be actual work. Are these people who needed the money and needed a job? If not, then its quite easy to call this altruism, because they are taking risks that they don't need to, so someone else wont have to.
I would call it a very rationally inspired altruism.
> Don't believe the hype, and stop spreading misinformation. > If you want to join the party come informed.
Um... you are falling into the same trap. Not all drugs are the same, they don't affect the same systems within the body/brain, they don't metabolize the same ways, they are not the same.
Alcohol hangovers are pretty complex and are due to various issues from dehydration to the effects of various metabolites of alcohol and what they do in your system (or what alcohols even, its long been noted that some distilled liquors have a tendancy to create worst hangovers... as they have concentrated levels of all manner of chemical)
Pot has virtually no hangover. LSD will tire you out and could be said to have a hangover, of sorts.
Now as for coding.... I don't really recomend being high while coding anything serious. Maybe a little alcohol, a little pot or something, wont hinder you too much but.... I smoke a good amount of pot and have a very high tolerance.... I still can't get much done after 3 or so bong rips.
As for LSD, I wouldn't discount it. The experience is very intense but also very cerebral. I still wouldn't expect to get much done coding on it, however, for higher level brainstorming and gaining perspective, I definitely think it has some value..... once in a while.... (you can't do it every day anyway.... tolerance builds very fast... most suggest no less than a week in between uses, or else it will just stop "working", and since there is no withdrawl or dependance its not like its an addictive substance... in fact, after an acid trip, the vast majority of people have NO desire to do it again right away... its a rather emotionally draining experience)
Though back when i was younger and did it more than once in a blue moon, I stuck to friday and saturday evenings so I had a whole day to recover and reflect on anything difficult that I ran into.
Once you have done it a few times, and get your "sea legs", its definitely less intimidating and easier to handle different situations. I have tripped in various situations with lots of people around and never had a real issue, and the worst thing that happened was, while going from one party to another at a convention, I got stuck in a hallway listening to RMS debate a local book shop owner on copyright (Didn't even realize who it was at first, just thought he was some FSF hardliner until someone called him "Richard").... and no, nobody should take this as an endorsement of tripping in public for newbs, I was quite experienced before I ever did anything like that.
Sadly though, I haven't seen LSD for years. Supply dried up at least 5 years ago.
Meh...kind of silly but they didn't create this situation, the prohibitionists did with their silly war on anything the least bit addicitive. They have systematically hamstrung the medical community on pain management, all the while making less addictive and less dangerous drugs less and less available....is it any wonder more addictive, more powerful ones become the drugs of choice?
People will use whatever they can get their hands on, and they will ALWAYS find something if they are the people who want it. Honestly, I don't believe substances are addictive....people are.
If those making public policy actually gave 2 shits about people, they would end this drug war and let all those heave opiod uses have their opium to smoke.
I fully believe that these "safegaurds" will work perfectly for their intended purpose: To soothe the concerns of politicians long enough to make the sale.
Clearly none of this can fully work.... one way or another, with time and enough units, any protection can be disabled, and a disabled device can be re-enabled, or modified.
However, this allows politicians to claim its safe, and then be shielded from blame when it doesn't work out, and they can easily kill any investigations once the heat dies down.
Yes but.... as the grandparent pointed out, and I agree.... they will have the data anyway, all they have to do is ask (or pay) the electric utility for the info, and it is theirs. No amount of protection at the box is going to stop that
It may be of limited usefulness, but, I wouldn't want to bet on it. You never know what someone is going to come up with, and it wouldn't be hard or even conspicuous to drive through and collect data on whole neighorhoods. I Would bet you can see who is running a lot of electronic equipment and who is growing pot in their basement....
Just mining that data for leads could be very lucrative for a criminal.
Sounds right to me. In addition, MA also has a "Lemon Law". I don't think ours is so much about planned obselecnese as simple consumer purchase protection. That is... a consumer may cancel a sale if the person who sold it to him doesn't honor what ammounts to a mandatory 90 day warrantee. (with a $100 max deductable... and the option to, to buy back the vehicle instead of repairing it)
It appears to apply to private sales too, but, in the case of private sales only applies to finding problems with the vehicle that were not disclosed at time of purchase, wheras a car from a dealer actually has to pass inspection.
Clearly nowhere near as strong of a protection, but still called the "lemon law"
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> It is interesting to see the different attitudes toward volunteering information to the government. If
> NYC asked something like this, it would be an outrage and participation would be roughly 1% if it
> moved forward at all.
actually, I bet that you would get very high participation rates of people that you ask. The really privacy concerned are a small but vocal percentage.
Frankly, I wouldn't even mind myself in a case like this where there was some assurance that all samples would be destroyed, except for the fact that its very hard to trust such statements when we have already seen evidence of vaccinations being done by intelligence service controlled operatives in Pakistan, for the very purpose of collecitng DNA samples without even patients consent.
A program to actually collect DNA here is going to have enough oversight to prevent the casual or intentional violation of this agreement? Not very likely.
seriously, this was my first and only thought.
Offer blowjobs. Why? Because frankly, I have physically touched a DVD maybe 3 times in the past year. I don't buy them anymore, I don't use them. The vast majority of media that I consume comes through my internet feed.
I just don't see these coming back, I am sure they have some niche for some people but, short of removing the net from people's homes? Blojobs is your most realistic answer; that or location....locate the store some place where this is not true and people still need DVDs for entertainment....beyond what the red vending machines at the supermarkets and discount dvd bins provide.... where people can't afford cable with on demand content.
I said wins for legalization not of. That is the way things are going, and that was obvious years ago when public attitude changed, its just really a matter of time now.
Talk about unexpected events! I would expect the investment to be rolling in with the recent wins for pot legalization. I mean, isn't that the old joke? If pot were ever legalized, Hostess would clean up?
What will the people of colorado do?
Right because we need to put more money into the FBI, so they can find more slightly unstable people and give them the resources and push they need to look like a terrorist in court, as they don't have any more geriatric old men whose internal accomplices have all retired or died that are safe to arrest.
Better give it all to the CIA so they can continue to use their remote controlled murder machines to inspire the next generation of real terrorists.
Thats how you keep the world safe afterall.
No I am not. I am saying I supported someone others called an unviable candidate because, I am not willing to split hairs over which drone murder was a better fit.
Well you know...its ok to compromise on such a little detail like that. I mean, its not like people are going to die over it....oh wait...
Yah, thats why I never voted for him. Being the scum floating on top of the other scum doesn't make it any more appetizing to me.
I definitely agree now, and as a default, I want that assumed. However, If possible, I would like the opportunity to be asked, especially if there was a chance to be a part of research into people in my condition to potentially make communication easier or even computer interface possible, which could totally change the equation.... even if just for a little while.
Though, in some ways the only place you ever are is in your mind, I could see it being a totally different experience for some people. I can't imagine being ok with it for long without some serious advancements along that line to say the least.
Maybe one day, I could even be reborn with a robot interface.... though we all know where that leads...
I believe Dune actually starts 10000 years after the Butlerian Jihad.... which ended the rule of the thinking machines. So.... no not "now" at all.
The level of network knowledge in the general population is pretty low too, so its not like more than a small fraction of guests would even know where to begin. As such, the hotel has very little reason to worry about it, unless it causes a problem for the paying guest. (which I imagine this would? Never played with duplicate MACs on a wifi network)
Overall, I would imagine that, unless you do something that gets their attention (like stopping other guests access from working) they have little incentive to care that much or even look for "cheaters" since the cost of doing so could easily outweigh the benefit.
ditto for VPN, which then has to be explained to guests and means troubleshooting it for them. They would probably be better served by making it open access than really tightening it down.
Perhaps you missed the second half. I OWN the mail server. This is about so called 'abandoned messages'. I have no abandoned messages on the server I own, thus is not under any manner of third party control, and in fact, is simply a non-local personal mail store.
As I said, good luck handing me papers claiming that my personal email, on my server, which I administer is abandoned in the control of a third party.
TLS is not the be all and end all, it doesn't protect my mail from interception by the ISP of the person who sent the mail, or aquisition of their mail (though, one would need to know who each of the senders are and go after their mail individually)
However, what it most certainly does do...is ensure that MY ISP never sees the content of the email. Their mail servers are not MXs for my domain(s).
Depends on who is sending it but, TLS at the transport level takes care of that for most of my email. Good luck handing me an order for all of my emails sitting on my server. Abandoned my ass.
Would any hypothesis which must be tested from another universe (or all other sorts of universes) is be testable?
You cannot change the laws of physics!
Why do you assume that every action is done of a genuine belief that its going to work? There is often value to a stunt, even if just to make a point. If anything, I think they are the smart ones in this system.
Its like I tell to some Obama supporters who can't stand Obama. They feel like voting for a 3rd party was wasting a vote, as if the consequences of an election end with who gets into office. Imagine the message sent to both parties if Stein, or Johnson handed Obama a loss.
Elections are not about who wins or loses, those are secondary issues. Elections are about what issues politicians feel safe standing on, and what issues they feel they need to fall into line on. These petitions serve a similar purpose...its not about breaking off, its about getting people talking about it, and about making them answer it.
Its definitely a silly tactic, but, I think there is plenty of room for that.
No it hasn't, maybe you didn't notice, he said democracy.... what does that have to do with the past 230 years?
Control my dose? Dude I used to put 5 drops of liquid on a sugar cube. That is the last thing I am worried about.
The nice thing about acid, and most psychedelics is that dose control isn't the difference between life and death. Its the difference between tripping decently for a while, and tripping harder for longer....
Morning glories are one of the exceptions as they are, slightly toxic. I know this from experience, I gave them a try. Got myself some HBWR, the good stuff. Did it twice, same toxic, effect. They did the job, but, it wasn't the most pleasant experience. In the 15 years or so since I did it.... I have not once considered repeating the experience.
Seriously, I had physical pain in my instep when I walked for 48 hours after ingestion, both times. Nothing else has ever done that to me. Never again...and the trip wasn't even that spectacular.
In any case, its been a while, but if I really wanted to, I know how to find myself some psychedelics, even without going to the black market. Hell, I remember ordering neat stuff from JLF: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JLF
The thing is, I almost made it down the hall and away... because my first thought was "Nerds arguing copyright.... RUN!". I made it about 3 doors further down before one of them said something that made me turn around.
I don't remember exactly what they were talking about so much as that, after about 5 minutes, somebody came up to me quietly, gestured and whispered "Is that Richard Stallman?", to which I nodded. Then he said, in a more excited whisper "R...M....S?", to which I must have beamed out what I was thinking all over my face (which was something like "are you serious dude?") because he gave me a little gesture like he understands this is normal for me as I must be like his best friend or something.
He then preceded to interject himself into the conversation until RMS and the book shop owner had teamed up to show him how wrong he was. (it was some point that ended in "Thats Altruism" as if he suddenly proved something was profoundly impossible). Pretty quickly RMS tired of this, made some comment, and stormed off down the hall to find something better to do...and this nerd looked at me and made some proclamation about how he was right and someday he would prove it....
Was a hell of a first sci fi con.
I might argue that its a bit of both. First, there is not a 100% garauntee that they will be dead before this leads to cancer... just because it most probably wont happen for 30 years doesn't mean they will be dead, or that it will definitely take 30 years, just thats most likely and expected. (of course, there is also not 100% certainty that, if they do get it in 30 years, that they wouldn't have anyway)
Secondly, cancer is probably not the only danger in the job, and its going to be actual work. Are these people who needed the money and needed a job? If not, then its quite easy to call this altruism, because they are taking risks that they don't need to, so someone else wont have to.
I would call it a very rationally inspired altruism.
> Don't believe the hype, and stop spreading misinformation.
> If you want to join the party come informed.
Um... you are falling into the same trap. Not all drugs are the same, they don't affect the same systems within the body/brain, they don't metabolize the same ways, they are not the same.
Alcohol hangovers are pretty complex and are due to various issues from dehydration to the effects of various metabolites of alcohol and what they do in your system (or what alcohols even, its long been noted that some distilled liquors have a tendancy to create worst hangovers... as they have concentrated levels of all manner of chemical)
Pot has virtually no hangover. LSD will tire you out and could be said to have a hangover, of sorts.
Now as for coding.... I don't really recomend being high while coding anything serious. Maybe a little alcohol, a little pot or something, wont hinder you too much but.... I smoke a good amount of pot and have a very high tolerance.... I still can't get much done after 3 or so bong rips.
As for LSD, I wouldn't discount it. The experience is very intense but also very cerebral. I still wouldn't expect to get much done coding on it, however, for higher level brainstorming and gaining perspective, I definitely think it has some value..... once in a while.... (you can't do it every day anyway.... tolerance builds very fast... most suggest no less than a week in between uses, or else it will just stop "working", and since there is no withdrawl or dependance its not like its an addictive substance... in fact, after an acid trip, the vast majority of people have NO desire to do it again right away... its a rather emotionally draining experience)
Though back when i was younger and did it more than once in a blue moon, I stuck to friday and saturday evenings so I had a whole day to recover and reflect on anything difficult that I ran into.
Once you have done it a few times, and get your "sea legs", its definitely less intimidating and easier to handle different situations. I have tripped in various situations with lots of people around and never had a real issue, and the worst thing that happened was, while going from one party to another at a convention, I got stuck in a hallway listening to RMS debate a local book shop owner on copyright (Didn't even realize who it was at first, just thought he was some FSF hardliner until someone called him "Richard") .... and no, nobody should take this as an endorsement of tripping in public for newbs, I was quite experienced before I ever did anything like that.
Sadly though, I haven't seen LSD for years. Supply dried up at least 5 years ago.
Meh...kind of silly but they didn't create this situation, the prohibitionists did with their silly war on anything the least bit addicitive. They have systematically hamstrung the medical community on pain management, all the while making less addictive and less dangerous drugs less and less available....is it any wonder more addictive, more powerful ones become the drugs of choice?
People will use whatever they can get their hands on, and they will ALWAYS find something if they are the people who want it. Honestly, I don't believe substances are addictive....people are.
If those making public policy actually gave 2 shits about people, they would end this drug war and let all those heave opiod uses have their opium to smoke.
I fully believe that these "safegaurds" will work perfectly for their intended purpose: To soothe the concerns of politicians long enough to make the sale.
Clearly none of this can fully work.... one way or another, with time and enough units, any protection can be disabled, and a disabled device can be re-enabled, or modified.
However, this allows politicians to claim its safe, and then be shielded from blame when it doesn't work out, and they can easily kill any investigations once the heat dies down.
Yes but.... as the grandparent pointed out, and I agree.... they will have the data anyway, all they have to do is ask (or pay) the electric utility for the info, and it is theirs. No amount of protection at the box is going to stop that
Its not exactly unheard of for some geek looking for startup capital to build devices and sell them:
http://www.cultofmac.com/82875/before-there-was-apple-we-made-blue-boxes-rare-video/
It may be of limited usefulness, but, I wouldn't want to bet on it. You never know what someone is going to come up with, and it wouldn't be hard or even conspicuous to drive through and collect data on whole neighorhoods. I Would bet you can see who is running a lot of electronic equipment and who is growing pot in their basement....
Just mining that data for leads could be very lucrative for a criminal.
Sounds right to me. In addition, MA also has a "Lemon Law". I don't think ours is so much about planned obselecnese as simple consumer purchase protection. That is... a consumer may cancel a sale if the person who sold it to him doesn't honor what ammounts to a mandatory 90 day warrantee. (with a $100 max deductable... and the option to, to buy back the vehicle instead of repairing it)
It appears to apply to private sales too, but, in the case of private sales only applies to finding problems with the vehicle that were not disclosed at time of purchase, wheras a car from a dealer actually has to pass inspection.
Clearly nowhere near as strong of a protection, but still called the "lemon law"