Sadly with the caveat: "This section does not include school massacres, workplace killings, hate crimes or mass murders that took place primarily in a domestic environment, which form their own categories. Cases where the primary motive for the murders was to facilitate or cover up another felony, like robbery, are also not included."
Note Germany does, indeed show up on the list. Its true though.... no rampage workplace murders.
Though, if you look at the lists, and the time they span, and the populations of people involved.... I will make the bold statement that it doesn't happen here either. Not often enough to even be worth considering as an issue.
it will annoy the piss out of him when someone clones his firing pin, and he has to pay for the forensic analsys to show that his gun didn't actually fire the shells used in a murder.... a murder which the police have stopped investigating because they found the murder weapon and its owner.
People need to stop thinking technology is magic, or can be effectively regulated. How about when someone changes out the firing pin before the murder, and switches it back after?
You do realise what a firing PIN is? Can you imagine what one looks like...thats right...a pin... a small pin of metal. No need to even clone a firing pin, just substitute an unmarked one, temporarily,
Though, I do think that, taken together, these make a great argument for restocking fees.
Yes, you can return your laptop.... but to resell it we are going to have to take several steps to make it resellable. Though, that said, don't these sorts of returns usually go back to the manufacturer? Is newegg going to have all the random detrius that few people ever keep?...like the screen protective plastic, the twist tie for the power cord, etc etc.
I always figured, from what little work with retail stores I have done, that most such things went back and got processed by them rather than at the POS.
Do you understand that a partition is not a disk? Not only that but, did I not clearly explained why leaving the recovery partition in-tact and reusing it is not sufficient to protect the customer or garauntee that it has been restored to its factory state?
Hell to be a real ball buster, they should flash the bios too. It could have been reflashed by the first customer with a trojan bios (not that I have ever run across such a beast, which is why I put this under being a ball buster)
I didn't know that part....yah thats not a recipe for dealing with issues, its a recipe for letting them fester and get worst. It puts a clear evolutionary pressure on abusers to get better at not being caught... it...wow...
But yes prison. Ugh. My sister is a prison gaurd. Its disgusting the extent to which prison has become the hammer which turns all problems into nails. Pedos are hardly the only mentally ill people who end up there more for lack of any other infrastructure for dealing with them.
What? You mean you think they should "wipe the disk" but then use the "recovery partition"...on the disk? Doesn't that still leave the first purchaser the ability to trojan the recovery partition?
No, using that is not good enough to protect the customer.
"I now firmly believe it should be a offence to knowingly posses what the GP described (images of pre-pubecent child rape, or for that matter any rape). Yes that opinion puts a limit on free speech but it does not have to limit the visual and theatrical arts. Yes it's debatable if jacking off to CP is harmful/helpful to society, but contrary to popular opinion around here we do in fact live in a democracy and the vast majority of the population (including me) think prosecuting these people who jack off to rape videos is The RightThingToDo(TM), like me they are not going to change their minds just because someone, somewhere, (allegedly) abuses the justice system once in a blue moon*."
A couple of things....
First, I feel bad for pedophiles. I didn't used to really, in fact I never really thought about it until I was hanging out with some friends and ended up watching that train wreck "to catch a predator". The biggest alcoholic in the group had one of those clarity moments and said "boy, for all my bad addictions, I am so glad I don't have that desire" (though, admittedly I have seen them claim people on that show were going to meet "kids" as old as 16, which, is getting into those fuzzy areas...shit 16 is legal here...)
You know...I am glad I don't either. Yes, as much as I want to be against law in all cases, its good to stop the rape of children, and dealing with the people who do that is a good thing, and justified. The ones who just jack off to kids... yah maybe they are a danger and need to be dealt with too but... there is a difference in action and, arn't these people sick? It seems like, prison isn't exactly the right answer, though, leaving them be is probably not a good idea either.
Now that said... "but contrary to popular opinion around here we do in fact live in a democracy and the vast majority of the population (including me) think prosecuting these people who jack off to rape videos is The RightThingToDo(TM)"
No, its a constitutional democracy, and actually a republic. The point of a constitution is that majority opinion is great for many things but, is not the right way to decide civil rights, because it really means not having them. It takes a lot more than majority opinion to take those away, or it was supposed to. Turns out the system can be pretty well gamed when few understand and less care.... and has been.
a "New Way" eh? Newly thought about, newly discovered, but, hardly new. I am pretty sure species have moved via tsunami for a long time now. "Drifting on ocean currents" itself isn't even a "new way" for a species to spread.
This "new way" sounds similar to the way some young people each year get the impression that they just invented spanking their sexual partner? ("OMG she actually likes it, can you believe that?")
Sounds like you want a microscope and want him to get the experience of getting to look through Dads cool microscope. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but it justifies a better toy since you aren't woried about him playing with it on his own and destroying it. If that were the case, I would say get a $30 toy...
I bought a cheap "celestron" with webcam. The camera mount came apart when I put it together. I returned it tot he store, the second one had a broken camera. It was a $30 toy.
So my wife, seeing my dissapointment, went out and got me a binocular AmScope. She went all out and spent way too much, close to $600 (what exactly do you say to "baby you can't be mad about how much I spent on your birthday gift"?), but, looking now, they have binocular models starting at about $200.
Its a solid microscope, and is officially the best one I have ever gotten to actually touch. The manual is in pretty amusing Engrish, with no copyright or company name. Its clearly meant to go right into a lab in the hands of people who already know how to use it, and the manual just a formality because you have to put something around the technical diagram of how it all fits together.
I don't see much difference. Both of them are blaming the victim for being a target.
There are any number of factors that we can talk about. Skin color (the police generally, though not always, leave my italian olive skinned ass alone), dress, attitude, which may influence the likelihood of being being abused, but, in the end, we don't get to write guidelines for the rapist. Well...we do, they are "don't be a rapist". However, the crime happens, so obviously some people don't listen.
On the other hand, the police work for government. The government may not have a lot of things, but it does have rules. Those rules include equal treatment under the law, and not regulating freedom of expression or peaceful assembly. There is a reason "Denial of civil rights under color of law" is a crime.
Of course, there are rules and there are rules. Cops being suspended with pay for rather serious infractions of the rules that have resulted in serious consequences for people seems rather common. But hey....they do have the rules.
So glad I live in MA. Here it is a civil fine for anything under an oz (though paraphenelia is still a crime to posess...go figure)...
So... the courts have ruled that since odour of marijuana doesn't constitute probable cause for possession of more than an oz, they can't even order you out of a parked (not running) car for smoking a joint inside.
Even better the $100 fine stipulates no penalty for not paying it.
I disagree with the idea that its wrong. You see, the client did err.... they made their error by trying to load something that they are forbidden from loading. That was their error.
403 is forbidden, you are forbidden. Forbidden by the proxy, rather than the server, but forbidden is forbidden.
Now my ISP doesn't block shit, if they did, I would find another ISP.
Yes and so what? They are still supposed to follow the law and respect peoples liberties. If they are actuallty only targeting criminals, then why do these actions so infrequently lead to arrest?
Besides that...if they are targeting criminals, and these are legal actions within the powers of their job, then why should they fear having their actions documented? If they are doing nothing wrong then they should be happy to have people showing them doing the fine job that they do.
You say "will" but the fact is, this has already happened.
Ask a lawyer when the last time he hired an auditorium full of paralegals to do research? If you can find any who have in the past several years, i would be shocked. its not lawyers who are becoming obselete. Its the paralegals under them who are now not needed.
As I understand, bringing in gobs of paralegals for a case used to be rather common.
My general feelings on taxes aside... we are talking about limited liability incorperated businesses. They operate under a legal fiction, I have no problem with regulating such entitites.
That said, there is a clear conflict of interest in all of this "Healthy living" regulation. Time and again, taxes have been proposed on specific "sins". The state runs the lottery, for one example. They ban all other gambling, and run the lotto. The original plan: we will specifically use the money the lotto takes in for schools. Great idea... you take some money from a vice, and use it to fund something positive.
The problem is, you put the money in the hands of the people who write the regulations. So it was schools, but now it funds other programs, including prisons.
Hell you don't even need the "sin". Income is taxed for social security. It was intended to be a seperate "trust fund". Why? To create trust. To keep it safe, to make it seperate from the normal budget....
Now? Well the people in charge of the regulating just go and buy bonds from themselves with the money. A violation of trust if any other trustee of any other trust fund were to do it... now SS is backdoored into the general budget, defeating the entire purpose of the seperate tax and fund.
Anyone else see the conflict of interest here? This will just be more of the same.
> This is true, but the Judicial system is usually a pretty good balance against this.
Occasionally... we still have plenty of legal civil rights abuses... war on drugs anyone? Maybe you have forgotten about how often peoples homes get raided and that nearly half of our huge prison population is in there for a class of crimes that has been totally manufactured by civil rights abusing policies?
> We have a revolution every 2 years or so, when we vote in new officials.
Thats the funniest thing I have read all year. I know that word, and I do not think it means what you think it means. Choosing between the candidates allowed to us by the oligarchs in charge of the parties is hardly "revolution" worth calling such.
No its not weird to say. of course you want that. I want that too. However, the cost is prohibitive, and its actually cheaper to get a hosted box and have dynamic ips at home. Its also less layers of protection between individual nodes and the big bad internet. I just like extending my private IP space to where I am, and letting everyone else pound sand.
I have never had those dynamic dns issues, because I setup and run my own DNS. The home system has a script that occasionally checks its own external IP and publishes it using normal bind keys to authenticate.
That said, if I ran the vpn on the remote system, even dynamic DNS isn't needed, just generate a certificate for each machine.
First, static IP? I use dynamic DNS to get around that... you don't even have to run your own DNS servers, though I do.
As for $100, for half that or less you can get an external VM with a static IP and more bandwidth than you would need to make a jump box, then just open a permenant VPN to the jump box.
My favorite solution was to use my own dynamic dns to find my house, then VPN in to the house server.
whether its their fault or not doesn't change what they are. It is all one system, and a broken, poorly instituted one. We have, right before our eyes, how its become corrupted, the results of that corruption, and its pretty plain to see how this system can't fix these particular problems.
Quite simply, some issues shouldn't matter who is elected, because civil rights should not be up for debate or vote. However, they are. Time and again we have to go all the way back to the people on civil rights.
Nothing short of a revolution is going to fix this system. It may not produce one that will never find itself needing to be overthrown, but, such is the cycle of abuse.
I don't see why that falls apart. The virus is distibuting itself...on behalf of its authors, who released it. They had control, they set it out intentionally.... every single distribution of itself that it makes, it makes because they induced it to start. They are responsibible for the redistributions...every single one of them.
And what happens when people don't have that revolution?
Mass slaughters still happen, just elsewhere. Instead of having it here, we have a judicial system run amok that has filled the prisons far past any sane levels with non-violent "offender" after non-violent "offender", where often offences are often nothing more than smoking the wrong plant.
I say we have the revolution now while the people who brought us all this are old and can suffer for lack of their public benefits that they intended to rely on.
And how exactly do you claim that this software was never distributed? It was clearly distributed, in fact, it distributed itself to new machines without the owners actual approval. The one claim that the authors most certainly not make is that they did not intend for the binary to be distributed.
775 was a year of false permissiveness when anyone could read or do anything as long as it was produced by a small cabal known as "the group", headed by "owner".
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers:_Europe
Sadly with the caveat: "This section does not include school massacres, workplace killings, hate crimes or mass murders that took place primarily in a domestic environment, which form their own categories. Cases where the primary motive for the murders was to facilitate or cover up another felony, like robbery, are also not included."
However: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers#School_massacres
Note Germany does, indeed show up on the list. Its true though.... no rampage workplace murders.
Though, if you look at the lists, and the time they span, and the populations of people involved.... I will make the bold statement that it doesn't happen here either. Not often enough to even be worth considering as an issue.
it will annoy the piss out of him when someone clones his firing pin, and he has to pay for the forensic analsys to show that his gun didn't actually fire the shells used in a murder.... a murder which the police have stopped investigating because they found the murder weapon and its owner.
People need to stop thinking technology is magic, or can be effectively regulated. How about when someone changes out the firing pin before the murder, and switches it back after?
You do realise what a firing PIN is? Can you imagine what one looks like...thats right...a pin... a small pin of metal. No need to even clone a firing pin, just substitute an unmarked one, temporarily,
Yes, this clearly is going to "work" really well.
Though, I do think that, taken together, these make a great argument for restocking fees.
Yes, you can return your laptop.... but to resell it we are going to have to take several steps to make it resellable. Though, that said, don't these sorts of returns usually go back to the manufacturer? Is newegg going to have all the random detrius that few people ever keep?...like the screen protective plastic, the twist tie for the power cord, etc etc.
I always figured, from what little work with retail stores I have done, that most such things went back and got processed by them rather than at the POS.
Do you understand that a partition is not a disk? Not only that but, did I not clearly explained why leaving the recovery partition in-tact and reusing it is not sufficient to protect the customer or garauntee that it has been restored to its factory state?
Hell to be a real ball buster, they should flash the bios too. It could have been reflashed by the first customer with a trojan bios (not that I have ever run across such a beast, which is why I put this under being a ball buster)
I didn't know that part....yah thats not a recipe for dealing with issues, its a recipe for letting them fester and get worst. It puts a clear evolutionary pressure on abusers to get better at not being caught... it ...wow...
But yes prison. Ugh. My sister is a prison gaurd. Its disgusting the extent to which prison has become the hammer which turns all problems into nails. Pedos are hardly the only mentally ill people who end up there more for lack of any other infrastructure for dealing with them.
What? You mean you think they should "wipe the disk" but then use the "recovery partition"...on the disk? Doesn't that still leave the first purchaser the ability to trojan the recovery partition?
No, using that is not good enough to protect the customer.
"I now firmly believe it should be a offence to knowingly posses what the GP described (images of pre-pubecent child rape, or for that matter any rape). Yes that opinion puts a limit on free speech but it does not have to limit the visual and theatrical arts. Yes it's debatable if jacking off to CP is harmful/helpful to society, but contrary to popular opinion around here we do in fact live in a democracy and the vast majority of the population (including me) think prosecuting these people who jack off to rape videos is The RightThingToDo(TM), like me they are not going to change their minds just because someone, somewhere, (allegedly) abuses the justice system once in a blue moon*."
A couple of things....
First, I feel bad for pedophiles. I didn't used to really, in fact I never really thought about it until I was hanging out with some friends and ended up watching that train wreck "to catch a predator". The biggest alcoholic in the group had one of those clarity moments and said "boy, for all my bad addictions, I am so glad I don't have that desire" (though, admittedly I have seen them claim people on that show were going to meet "kids" as old as 16, which, is getting into those fuzzy areas...shit 16 is legal here...)
You know...I am glad I don't either. Yes, as much as I want to be against law in all cases, its good to stop the rape of children, and dealing with the people who do that is a good thing, and justified. The ones who just jack off to kids... yah maybe they are a danger and need to be dealt with too but... there is a difference in action and, arn't these people sick? It seems like, prison isn't exactly the right answer, though, leaving them be is probably not a good idea either.
Now that said... "but contrary to popular opinion around here we do in fact live in a democracy and the vast majority of the population (including me) think prosecuting these people who jack off to rape videos is The RightThingToDo(TM)"
No, its a constitutional democracy, and actually a republic. The point of a constitution is that majority opinion is great for many things but, is not the right way to decide civil rights, because it really means not having them. It takes a lot more than majority opinion to take those away, or it was supposed to. Turns out the system can be pretty well gamed when few understand and less care.... and has been.
a "New Way" eh? Newly thought about, newly discovered, but, hardly new. I am pretty sure species have moved via tsunami for a long time now. "Drifting on ocean currents" itself isn't even a "new way" for a species to spread.
This "new way" sounds similar to the way some young people each year get the impression that they just invented spanking their sexual partner? ("OMG she actually likes it, can you believe that?")
Sounds like you want a microscope and want him to get the experience of getting to look through Dads cool microscope. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but it justifies a better toy since you aren't woried about him playing with it on his own and destroying it. If that were the case, I would say get a $30 toy...
I bought a cheap "celestron" with webcam. The camera mount came apart when I put it together. I returned it tot he store, the second one had a broken camera. It was a $30 toy.
So my wife, seeing my dissapointment, went out and got me a binocular AmScope. She went all out and spent way too much, close to $600 (what exactly do you say to "baby you can't be mad about how much I spent on your birthday gift"?), but, looking now, they have binocular models starting at about $200.
Its a solid microscope, and is officially the best one I have ever gotten to actually touch. The manual is in pretty amusing Engrish, with no copyright or company name. Its clearly meant to go right into a lab in the hands of people who already know how to use it, and the manual just a formality because you have to put something around the technical diagram of how it all fits together.
I don't see much difference. Both of them are blaming the victim for being a target.
There are any number of factors that we can talk about. Skin color (the police generally, though not always, leave my italian olive skinned ass alone), dress, attitude, which may influence the likelihood of being being abused, but, in the end, we don't get to write guidelines for the rapist. Well...we do, they are "don't be a rapist". However, the crime happens, so obviously some people don't listen.
On the other hand, the police work for government. The government may not have a lot of things, but it does have rules. Those rules include equal treatment under the law, and not regulating freedom of expression or peaceful assembly. There is a reason "Denial of civil rights under color of law" is a crime.
Of course, there are rules and there are rules. Cops being suspended with pay for rather serious infractions of the rules that have resulted in serious consequences for people seems rather common. But hey....they do have the rules.
So glad I live in MA. Here it is a civil fine for anything under an oz (though paraphenelia is still a crime to posess...go figure)...
So... the courts have ruled that since odour of marijuana doesn't constitute probable cause for possession of more than an oz, they can't even order you out of a parked (not running) car for smoking a joint inside.
Even better the $100 fine stipulates no penalty for not paying it.
I disagree with the idea that its wrong. You see, the client did err.... they made their error by trying to load something that they are forbidden from loading. That was their error.
403 is forbidden, you are forbidden. Forbidden by the proxy, rather than the server, but forbidden is forbidden.
Now my ISP doesn't block shit, if they did, I would find another ISP.
Yes and so what? They are still supposed to follow the law and respect peoples liberties. If they are actuallty only targeting criminals, then why do these actions so infrequently lead to arrest?
Besides that...if they are targeting criminals, and these are legal actions within the powers of their job, then why should they fear having their actions documented? If they are doing nothing wrong then they should be happy to have people showing them doing the fine job that they do.
Its THAT simple.
You say "will" but the fact is, this has already happened.
Ask a lawyer when the last time he hired an auditorium full of paralegals to do research? If you can find any who have in the past several years, i would be shocked. its not lawyers who are becoming obselete. Its the paralegals under them who are now not needed.
As I understand, bringing in gobs of paralegals for a case used to be rather common.
My general feelings on taxes aside... we are talking about limited liability incorperated businesses. They operate under a legal fiction, I have no problem with regulating such entitites.
That said, there is a clear conflict of interest in all of this "Healthy living" regulation. Time and again, taxes have been proposed on specific "sins". The state runs the lottery, for one example. They ban all other gambling, and run the lotto. The original plan: we will specifically use the money the lotto takes in for schools. Great idea... you take some money from a vice, and use it to fund something positive.
The problem is, you put the money in the hands of the people who write the regulations. So it was schools, but now it funds other programs, including prisons.
Hell you don't even need the "sin". Income is taxed for social security. It was intended to be a seperate "trust fund". Why? To create trust. To keep it safe, to make it seperate from the normal budget....
Now? Well the people in charge of the regulating just go and buy bonds from themselves with the money. A violation of trust if any other trustee of any other trust fund were to do it... now SS is backdoored into the general budget, defeating the entire purpose of the seperate tax and fund.
Anyone else see the conflict of interest here? This will just be more of the same.
I always delight in losing the people who can't handle being offended, its like my friends list got cleaned up just a little bit.
In that case I clearly misunderstood what you were saying.
> This is true, but the Judicial system is usually a pretty good balance against this.
Occasionally... we still have plenty of legal civil rights abuses... war on drugs anyone? Maybe you have forgotten about how often peoples homes get raided and that nearly half of our huge prison population is in there for a class of crimes that has been totally manufactured by civil rights abusing policies?
> We have a revolution every 2 years or so, when we vote in new officials.
Thats the funniest thing I have read all year. I know that word, and I do not think it means what you think it means. Choosing between the candidates allowed to us by the oligarchs in charge of the parties is hardly "revolution" worth calling such.
No its not weird to say. of course you want that. I want that too. However, the cost is prohibitive, and its actually cheaper to get a hosted box and have dynamic ips at home. Its also less layers of protection between individual nodes and the big bad internet. I just like extending my private IP space to where I am, and letting everyone else pound sand.
I have never had those dynamic dns issues, because I setup and run my own DNS. The home system has a script that occasionally checks its own external IP and publishes it using normal bind keys to authenticate.
That said, if I ran the vpn on the remote system, even dynamic DNS isn't needed, just generate a certificate for each machine.
First, static IP? I use dynamic DNS to get around that... you don't even have to run your own DNS servers, though I do.
As for $100, for half that or less you can get an external VM with a static IP and more bandwidth than you would need to make a jump box, then just open a permenant VPN to the jump box.
My favorite solution was to use my own dynamic dns to find my house, then VPN in to the house server.
whether its their fault or not doesn't change what they are. It is all one system, and a broken, poorly instituted one. We have, right before our eyes, how its become corrupted, the results of that corruption, and its pretty plain to see how this system can't fix these particular problems.
Quite simply, some issues shouldn't matter who is elected, because civil rights should not be up for debate or vote. However, they are. Time and again we have to go all the way back to the people on civil rights.
Nothing short of a revolution is going to fix this system. It may not produce one that will never find itself needing to be overthrown, but, such is the cycle of abuse.
I don't see why that falls apart. The virus is distibuting itself...on behalf of its authors, who released it. They had control, they set it out intentionally.... every single distribution of itself that it makes, it makes because they induced it to start. They are responsibible for the redistributions...every single one of them.
And what happens when people don't have that revolution?
Mass slaughters still happen, just elsewhere. Instead of having it here, we have a judicial system run amok that has filled the prisons far past any sane levels with non-violent "offender" after non-violent "offender", where often offences are often nothing more than smoking the wrong plant.
I say we have the revolution now while the people who brought us all this are old and can suffer for lack of their public benefits that they intended to rely on.
And how exactly do you claim that this software was never distributed? It was clearly distributed, in fact, it distributed itself to new machines without the owners actual approval. The one claim that the authors most certainly not make is that they did not intend for the binary to be distributed.
775 was a year of false permissiveness when anyone could read or do anything as long as it was produced by a small cabal known as "the group", headed by "owner".