I dunno, I was thinking maybe it was whistleblowers.
Which is exactly what we need.... there is no way I want these people instigating more unneeded wars. The fact that they are engaging in some of the worst acts of cyberterrorism that we have seen is very telling.
Makes me glad I didn't vote for the warmonger in chief, but sad that there is not now, nor has there been, any good alternatives.
All this BS with Iran is not needed, and its all over the stupid Christian Isreal lobby. All over, what all indications show, is a peaceful nuclear program aimed at producing power.
I am no fan of the Iranian regieme but, they are hardly any worst than many of "our allies".
actually, I just built a 3d printer from a kit, and while calibrating it, I have been working on a design for a printable air pump... with the intention of seeing if I could mount it in a pvc pipe and use it to control boyancy for a submersible vehicle project.
That is an easy stance to take when you are not the Pakistanis. That excuse would never hold up in a court here. Not to mention that, before his extrajudicial killing, Mr Bin Laden had never been convicted of anything in a court of law.
Never mind all of the victims of this doctor, who had their DNA taken by his fake clinics. Whether breaking the law was the right thing to do or not doesn't absolve them of those infractions.
Funny the stance these people can take towards law and human rights when its convinent to do so. They wouldn't take the same stance if I just decided something was worth breaking their laws for.
This entire war mentality is counterproductive, and regressive, and allows people to make excuses for abusing whoever they wish. I say prosecute him, and turn over the CIA agents involved for thier conspiracy.
If it was worth abusing people to do, then its worth facing the punishment for having done it too.
what makes you think I don't understand? I understand full well, I just don't agree, and see what he did as something that deserves punishment, no matter why he did it, or who he did it for.
Well I didn't state how much probablity I like.... but nothing is every certain unless you witnessed it (and even then, eye witness testimony is quite unreliable). Generally, I keep a pretty high standard. Hell I was even arguing that Zimmerman guy should be let go because there is no way to know what really happened.
However, the nice thing about vigilante justice over state justice is that the state steals my money and claims to do it in my name. So when they fuck up, or malicously prosecute someone who did nothing wrong (like the aforementioned businessmen and indoor farmers) they do it with my money, and in my name. I really strongly dislike that.
I get the mentality. However, in doing so he abused the trust of the community by using his position as Doctor and broke patient confidentiality. He should spend the rest of his days behind bars for that alone.
Besides that.... working for "us" is fine, but Pakistan is not us, and Pakistan has good reason to punish spies. Even those who work for us. Thats really my point....whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
Meh I don't see much difference between vigilante "justice" and regular "justice"...its all just excuses to use violence against people.
Now, when "jusitce" is used against people who probably did something really bad, like murder, or rape...then I have no problem with it, and even cheer its application.
I don't like it much in the abstract though, I certainly don't cheer it, and do have a problem with it when its used against people who grow plants and sell things to consenting adults with no fraud involved. In fact, then i consider it a crime against humanity, and wish someone would apply some "justice" back to the perpetrators.
Yup. Underscoring this.... I was listening to Hillary and Panetta yesterday talking about this Doctor in Pakistan. The guy has been arrested for "Working for a foriegn intelligence agency". A crime which could get you life in prison or even death if you were caught doing it here.
They, of course, want their informant released. Never mind that he broke the trust of Doctor Patient priviledge for untold numbers of people by setting up fake vaccination clinics to sample DNA (which, if done here would have gotten his license taken away and gotten him slapped with serious violations of the law), never mind that he is a Pakistani national who essentially became a spie for a foeign government....
nope...somehow they don't understand why this guy is in prison.... even though they would hang him if he was an American and did the same things here.
I don't see whats so hard to understand. The law is great, as long as its convinent to the people in power. The rule of law apparently isn't supposed to apply to them or their sycophants.
Who says the main time server has to get its time from only one source?
Besides, the main issue here is unsynchronised time. This is a precision problem, not an accuracy one. It doesn't matter if you get your medication at 1 am or 3 am, as long as the time between dosages is right. It doesn't matter if your surgery is at time X or Y, as long as everyone shows up at the same time, it happens.
All that said, remember, we are talking about medical devices. They are developed totally seperately by people with totally seperate skill sets from those that people in the IT industry tend to have.
Also hospitals, particularly MGH (I know the institution personally, I used to work in their facilities)...which is a teaching hospital.... come out of academic traditions.
Security, for the most part, is new for them, especially network security. They have always kinda cared, but, only kinda. It wasn't until regulations forced them to care that it actually got traction and taken seriously. Security, I garauntee you, was NEVER the reason they didn't do NTP.... In fact.... I doubt I am revealing any secrets.... they HAVE an NTP server. They have had an NTP server on their network for years now.
However, Academia is setup similarly to the government, and hospitals are based on the model. Everything is very federated, with each department having a level of autonomy that you seldom see in the corpeate world. I almost garauntee the reason they havn't used NTP on medical devices is....they never knew it existed or thought it was that important for all the other issues they have.
Their netowork and systems people have known about, and used it for years.... they just don't have much communication between departments at that level....its not part of the model.
I thought a lot about that last bit earlier as I was commenting but wasn't sure where I came down on it.
Yes he was doing it for profit but, I have to imagine he didn't need the money... was he really making that much off of this compared to his salary? Maybe if he got himself into some massive financial situation and this turned up otherwise.... why something so.... it just seems off.
At the same time I can see how a technologist could get into this sort of scam. What technical person hasn't seen a glaring hole in some process and immediately thought of ways to subvert it.... that jump from imagining how to doing it can be small, especially when all it takes is a printer and some labels.
I mean, maybe my conception of his salary and/or how much he was expected to be able to make doing this are off, but.... I find it hard to see how he would justify doing this just for raw profit motive.
actually, some research on shoplifting has shown that the vast majority of shoplifters can afford the items that they steal. In fact, its not uncommon at all for white middle class adults to engage in shoplifting, often citing the excitement of it as one of their motivators.
The "National Association for Shoplifting Prevention" says that studies have found depression to be very common amongst shoplifters (http://www.shopliftingprevention.org/whatnaspoffers/nrc.htm).
Its high time for such a conference. Not only do I support it, I fully support locking the doors and setting fire to the building about 15 minutes into the keynote address.
If there is anything we don't need more of, its more dead weight profiteer warmongers who do nothing more than invent bogeymen to protect us from, and expect us all to thank them and pay for it.
Man people sure are bloodthirsty. I have never considered a conviction on ones record terribly light, never mind time in jail. No time in lockup is a light sentance, its being subjected to humilation like an animal.
what would more than 30 days really serve? What does any of it serve. His name is now nationally known, his guilt is recorded for anyone to look up and see.
Are we really worried that hes going to do this again? Is the amount of time supposed to make some difference here other than just make him one more person in lockup?
Harsh punishment is always popular. People like retribution, whether it makes sense or not.
Never mind if no harm was caused, never mind if it was just a silly lapse in judgement. Fire people, prosecute them, send them to jail....why? Because you can?
No, thats exactly what I am saying. There is no need to treat married couples differently in taxes and other legal matters. They have, because they were lazy and shortsighted.
Giving gays marriage is fine with me. However, its a silly, shortsighted, and lazy fix. It also leads to the need to fix it again later when people start asking...well why can't 3 people get married? Well guess what.. same arguments apply.
I say fix it all...do away, completely, with all "Marriage" as a legal concept...and fix the laws to just give a person rights which can be assigned via contract. Much better, more robust fix, and fixes the situation going forward.
sure but thats not the only issue. There is also the question of ideology. I think everyone would like to see 'technocrats' in power. The problem is that who counts as a technocrat does come back to ideology... the ideology of what government policies should even be trying to accomplish...because that is not a valueless question, or even a purely technical one.
Lets go back to "drug policy", since its my favorite...from the original post: "I want to reduce drug use, and sending all users to prison is the most cost-effective way to achieve that."
Its an interesting example but, it rests on that first statement "I want to do X". Well how do we determine that X is a good thing, and something that the government should be doing? What is their goal? What is it that they are intend to do?
Is it the governments job to protect us from our own bad decisions? Is it their job to enable us to live in freedom as we choose, or is it to build an orderly society that gets things done. Is it more important to build forward or to garauntee liberty? When these come into conflict, ideology will deterime which evidence is important.
Even if you were to make a technocratic argument that liberty is the most efficient way to achieve the goals of an orderly society that gets things done, it still can't answer whether that should be the goal. The goal itself has to come from ideology.
Thats one way to look at it. Actually all it does is specify how the issue is to be treated between states, not within them. A state is free, under DOMA, to do whatever it likes, leaving no other state able to challenge it.
In fact, some analsys shows that this, in fact, helped Gay marriage take hold, since it provided space for states to experiment in that area without any other state being able to say anything about it.
Frankly, I think the whole thing is a silly issue. The state, or federal government really doesn't need to recognize marriage at all, and the fact that so many things are tied to marriage is really more because of lazy, shortsighted law making than anything else. Marriage can and should be reduced to nothing more than a set of rights that can be assigned via contract, to one or more other parties. There, solved for everyone, including gays and polygamists.
In any case, I have lived in MA since before this whole issue came up. DOMA didn't make anything null or void here. It just said that other states were free to do their own thing, which, as much as I disagree with them for doing it, I have to say, is their right.
Though by "disagree" I mean "would like to thank" because, anything that drives more gay people with their lower average rate of child raising, and economy boosting resultant disposable income to my state is something I approve of. I wish every state but mine would make it illegal to even be gay. Please, bring them all here. We are loving it here.
And then there is the inability to "print" money. Ron Paul would probably put this in the "plus" column, but I think that governments will spend recklessly whether they can print money or not. Most of modern Europe is evidence that governments will borrow heavily even if they have no ability to print money. World history is chock-full of "Greeces", well before the federal reserve system was invented. In the US, we had plenty of bank failures, financial panics, and major recessions while on the gold standard. The federal reserve system gives the government more tools than it had prior to it's invention.
I can't fault your anti-gold argument, its spot on. The gold standard thing is stupid. I tend to like Ron Paul because he is the only one who puts the government in its proper place on social issues...and that is, not pushing social agendas.
That said, there is another side to the printing of the money. The fed system gives us the worst of both worlds. On one hand the government can't really print up money. So they spend by driving up a huge debt. Then, when printing money is called for, its handled by the fed who hands out sweetheart loans to the people who need it the least.... hell, they can turn around and lend it to the government for a profit, and then never pay it back.
Isn't that to be expected? Any time you look for physical brain changes from years of practiced learning, you find it. That is just what the brain does.
also cabbies are a special case, most people drive the same repetitive routes over and over, route planning is hardly needed after you have settled in to one or two ways of getting to work and home.
I did the same, and it actually told me I couldn't play. I think it was some bad interaction with noscript or requestpolicy. However, it saved a cookie saying that I failed verification. Had to delete that before I could try again... and it worked. PITA.
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I dunno, I was thinking maybe it was whistleblowers.
Which is exactly what we need.... there is no way I want these people instigating more unneeded wars. The fact that they are engaging in some of the worst acts of cyberterrorism that we have seen is very telling.
Makes me glad I didn't vote for the warmonger in chief, but sad that there is not now, nor has there been, any good alternatives.
All this BS with Iran is not needed, and its all over the stupid Christian Isreal lobby. All over, what all indications show, is a peaceful nuclear program aimed at producing power.
I am no fan of the Iranian regieme but, they are hardly any worst than many of "our allies".
actually, I just built a 3d printer from a kit, and while calibrating it, I have been working on a design for a printable air pump... with the intention of seeing if I could mount it in a pvc pipe and use it to control boyancy for a submersible vehicle project.
Great to see others have similar ideas going.
Well I feel so enlightened now. Thanks for explaining that.
"Where did you learn to sabotage chips like that?"
"I learned it from watching you!"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_pipeline_sabotage
That is an easy stance to take when you are not the Pakistanis. That excuse would never hold up in a court here. Not to mention that, before his extrajudicial killing, Mr Bin Laden had never been convicted of anything in a court of law.
Never mind all of the victims of this doctor, who had their DNA taken by his fake clinics. Whether breaking the law was the right thing to do or not doesn't absolve them of those infractions.
Funny the stance these people can take towards law and human rights when its convinent to do so. They wouldn't take the same stance if I just decided something was worth breaking their laws for.
This entire war mentality is counterproductive, and regressive, and allows people to make excuses for abusing whoever they wish. I say prosecute him, and turn over the CIA agents involved for thier conspiracy.
If it was worth abusing people to do, then its worth facing the punishment for having done it too.
what makes you think I don't understand? I understand full well, I just don't agree, and see what he did as something that deserves punishment, no matter why he did it, or who he did it for.
Well I didn't state how much probablity I like.... but nothing is every certain unless you witnessed it (and even then, eye witness testimony is quite unreliable). Generally, I keep a pretty high standard. Hell I was even arguing that Zimmerman guy should be let go because there is no way to know what really happened.
However, the nice thing about vigilante justice over state justice is that the state steals my money and claims to do it in my name. So when they fuck up, or malicously prosecute someone who did nothing wrong (like the aforementioned businessmen and indoor farmers) they do it with my money, and in my name. I really strongly dislike that.
I get the mentality. However, in doing so he abused the trust of the community by using his position as Doctor and broke patient confidentiality. He should spend the rest of his days behind bars for that alone.
Besides that.... working for "us" is fine, but Pakistan is not us, and Pakistan has good reason to punish spies. Even those who work for us. Thats really my point....whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
Meh I don't see much difference between vigilante "justice" and regular "justice"...its all just excuses to use violence against people.
Now, when "jusitce" is used against people who probably did something really bad, like murder, or rape...then I have no problem with it, and even cheer its application.
I don't like it much in the abstract though, I certainly don't cheer it, and do have a problem with it when its used against people who grow plants and sell things to consenting adults with no fraud involved. In fact, then i consider it a crime against humanity, and wish someone would apply some "justice" back to the perpetrators.
Yup. Underscoring this.... I was listening to Hillary and Panetta yesterday talking about this Doctor in Pakistan. The guy has been arrested for "Working for a foriegn intelligence agency". A crime which could get you life in prison or even death if you were caught doing it here.
They, of course, want their informant released. Never mind that he broke the trust of Doctor Patient priviledge for untold numbers of people by setting up fake vaccination clinics to sample DNA (which, if done here would have gotten his license taken away and gotten him slapped with serious violations of the law), never mind that he is a Pakistani national who essentially became a spie for a foeign government....
nope...somehow they don't understand why this guy is in prison.... even though they would hang him if he was an American and did the same things here.
I don't see whats so hard to understand. The law is great, as long as its convinent to the people in power. The rule of law apparently isn't supposed to apply to them or their sycophants.
Who says the main time server has to get its time from only one source?
Besides, the main issue here is unsynchronised time. This is a precision problem, not an accuracy one. It doesn't matter if you get your medication at 1 am or 3 am, as long as the time between dosages is right. It doesn't matter if your surgery is at time X or Y, as long as everyone shows up at the same time, it happens.
All that said, remember, we are talking about medical devices. They are developed totally seperately by people with totally seperate skill sets from those that people in the IT industry tend to have.
Also hospitals, particularly MGH (I know the institution personally, I used to work in their facilities)...which is a teaching hospital.... come out of academic traditions.
Security, for the most part, is new for them, especially network security. They have always kinda cared, but, only kinda. It wasn't until regulations forced them to care that it actually got traction and taken seriously. Security, I garauntee you, was NEVER the reason they didn't do NTP.... In fact.... I doubt I am revealing any secrets.... they HAVE an NTP server. They have had an NTP server on their network for years now.
However, Academia is setup similarly to the government, and hospitals are based on the model. Everything is very federated, with each department having a level of autonomy that you seldom see in the corpeate world. I almost garauntee the reason they havn't used NTP on medical devices is....they never knew it existed or thought it was that important for all the other issues they have.
Their netowork and systems people have known about, and used it for years.... they just don't have much communication between departments at that level....its not part of the model.
I thought a lot about that last bit earlier as I was commenting but wasn't sure where I came down on it.
Yes he was doing it for profit but, I have to imagine he didn't need the money... was he really making that much off of this compared to his salary? Maybe if he got himself into some massive financial situation and this turned up otherwise.... why something so.... it just seems off.
At the same time I can see how a technologist could get into this sort of scam. What technical person hasn't seen a glaring hole in some process and immediately thought of ways to subvert it.... that jump from imagining how to doing it can be small, especially when all it takes is a printer and some labels.
I mean, maybe my conception of his salary and/or how much he was expected to be able to make doing this are off, but.... I find it hard to see how he would justify doing this just for raw profit motive.
actually, some research on shoplifting has shown that the vast majority of shoplifters can afford the items that they steal. In fact, its not uncommon at all for white middle class adults to engage in shoplifting, often citing the excitement of it as one of their motivators.
The "National Association for Shoplifting Prevention" says that studies have found depression to be very common amongst shoplifters (http://www.shopliftingprevention.org/whatnaspoffers/nrc.htm).
another interesting article is here: http://www.npr.org/2011/07/14/137627302/sticky-fingers-hidden-hams-a-shoplifting-history
Its high time for such a conference. Not only do I support it, I fully support locking the doors and setting fire to the building about 15 minutes into the keynote address.
If there is anything we don't need more of, its more dead weight profiteer warmongers who do nothing more than invent bogeymen to protect us from, and expect us all to thank them and pay for it.
Man people sure are bloodthirsty. I have never considered a conviction on ones record terribly light, never mind time in jail. No time in lockup is a light sentance, its being subjected to humilation like an animal.
what would more than 30 days really serve? What does any of it serve. His name is now nationally known, his guilt is recorded for anyone to look up and see.
Are we really worried that hes going to do this again? Is the amount of time supposed to make some difference here other than just make him one more person in lockup?
But it doesn't help to blame the RIAA lawyers.... oh wait...did you mean the people who passed the bad laws?
Harsh punishment is always popular. People like retribution, whether it makes sense or not.
Never mind if no harm was caused, never mind if it was just a silly lapse in judgement. Fire people, prosecute them, send them to jail....why? Because you can?
No, thats exactly what I am saying. There is no need to treat married couples differently in taxes and other legal matters. They have, because they were lazy and shortsighted.
Giving gays marriage is fine with me. However, its a silly, shortsighted, and lazy fix. It also leads to the need to fix it again later when people start asking...well why can't 3 people get married? Well guess what.. same arguments apply.
I say fix it all...do away, completely, with all "Marriage" as a legal concept...and fix the laws to just give a person rights which can be assigned via contract. Much better, more robust fix, and fixes the situation going forward.
sure but thats not the only issue. There is also the question of ideology. I think everyone would like to see 'technocrats' in power. The problem is that who counts as a technocrat does come back to ideology... the ideology of what government policies should even be trying to accomplish...because that is not a valueless question, or even a purely technical one.
Lets go back to "drug policy", since its my favorite...from the original post:
"I want to reduce drug use, and sending all users to prison is the most cost-effective way to achieve that."
Its an interesting example but, it rests on that first statement "I want to do X". Well how do we determine that X is a good thing, and something that the government should be doing? What is their goal? What is it that they are intend to do?
Is it the governments job to protect us from our own bad decisions? Is it their job to enable us to live in freedom as we choose, or is it to build an orderly society that gets things done. Is it more important to build forward or to garauntee liberty? When these come into conflict, ideology will deterime which evidence is important.
Even if you were to make a technocratic argument that liberty is the most efficient way to achieve the goals of an orderly society that gets things done, it still can't answer whether that should be the goal. The goal itself has to come from ideology.
Hmmmm anonymous is the actions of any person or group who does not release their name and instead, claims to be anonymous.
One does not hijack anonymous because there is no Anonymous. Its anyone who wants to be it.
Thats one way to look at it. Actually all it does is specify how the issue is to be treated between states, not within them. A state is free, under DOMA, to do whatever it likes, leaving no other state able to challenge it.
In fact, some analsys shows that this, in fact, helped Gay marriage take hold, since it provided space for states to experiment in that area without any other state being able to say anything about it.
Frankly, I think the whole thing is a silly issue. The state, or federal government really doesn't need to recognize marriage at all, and the fact that so many things are tied to marriage is really more because of lazy, shortsighted law making than anything else. Marriage can and should be reduced to nothing more than a set of rights that can be assigned via contract, to one or more other parties. There, solved for everyone, including gays and polygamists.
In any case, I have lived in MA since before this whole issue came up. DOMA didn't make anything null or void here. It just said that other states were free to do their own thing, which, as much as I disagree with them for doing it, I have to say, is their right.
Though by "disagree" I mean "would like to thank" because, anything that drives more gay people with their lower average rate of child raising, and economy boosting resultant disposable income to my state is something I approve of. I wish every state but mine would make it illegal to even be gay. Please, bring them all here. We are loving it here.
I can't fault your anti-gold argument, its spot on. The gold standard thing is stupid. I tend to like Ron Paul because he is the only one who puts the government in its proper place on social issues...and that is, not pushing social agendas.
That said, there is another side to the printing of the money. The fed system gives us the worst of both worlds. On one hand the government can't really print up money. So they spend by driving up a huge debt. Then, when printing money is called for, its handled by the fed who hands out sweetheart loans to the people who need it the least.... hell, they can turn around and lend it to the government for a profit, and then never pay it back.
Its like wealth distribution.... to the top.
Isn't that to be expected? Any time you look for physical brain changes from years of practiced learning, you find it. That is just what the brain does.
also cabbies are a special case, most people drive the same repetitive routes over and over, route planning is hardly needed after you have settled in to one or two ways of getting to work and home.
No I can't, I was already born years ago. Hows THAT for protection.
I did the same, and it actually told me I couldn't play. I think it was some bad interaction with noscript or requestpolicy. However, it saved a cookie saying that I failed verification. Had to delete that before I could try again... and it worked. PITA.