You're fucking kidding me, right? Every one of their laptops but the 17" looks like a Dell re-hash and the 17" looks like their designer stole Apple's notes. The design of the desktops is top-notch... if you're the kind that goes for mullets and muscle cars...
Now let's see how long it takes the software community to catch up. Not long, I'd wager, before we're seeing ridiculously torqued up system requirements for the next version of Office. "A terrabyte of RAM? let's render clippy on the fly in 12 dimensions and map out all the quantum placeholders too!"
I'm still using a now 12-year-old old ADB keyboard from a 68040 Quadra 660 AV on a six-year-old B&W G3 that's sitting in the corner running as a fileserver.
The old ADB keyboards still let you reboot and issue some rudimentary commands from the keyboard after a machine locked up, something the newer USB boards don't do.
The dot.bomb adventure that every PHB and his brother tried to get in on when they saw the geeks were making money hand-over-fist... THAT dot.bomb adventure? Corporate know-nothings weren't immune to that particular foible, smartass.
Do you have children? Would you let your kids watch porn? After all, they'll just want to watch it more...
You wanna keep your kids from watching porn? Tape you and your spouse doing it. Unless you're both supermodels, there's nothing like a dose of parental sex to scar a kid for life =D
Okay...since you obviously have a beef AGAINST anything but Macs,
Strike one, pal. It would behoove you to do a bit of research before making blanket statements like that. I work on whatever I need to use to get the job done, be it Mac or PC. Most of the financial firms I've consulted have used nothing but PCs. If I truly had a beef against them, I wouldn't work with 'em.
I will tell you why I think this is good for my school district...and other ones in my region. Let me look at a few places I've worked, and where others from my school might work. First one on my list was an automotive shop...they had a PC doing their shop manuals...they had a PC doing their inventory tracking...they had a PC doing their accounting. So in that job, it's PC:1, Mac:0. Second place...Signmaking shop that used CNC machines to mill them...the design was done on a PC, the CNC machine was run by a PC, and their accounting, inventory, and typesetting was done on a PC. I will admit that their order tracking was done on some old grimy IBM machine, though...still, PC:2, Mac:0. Third place...Architectural Firm. They did AutoCAD on a PC...specificaitons were done on a PC...accounting was done on a PC...correspondence and such was done on a PC. Score: PC:3, Mac:0. Next place would be some freelance work I did for a grocery store chain...everything, from accounting to payroll to e-mail, was done on a PC. I have stopped keeping score because I am done trying to get anyone to see my point with this method. Every place I have ever worked at had PC's exclusively.
And in every place except perhaps the one that used Autocad, a Mac would have probably sufficed just as easily. Don't mistake ubiquity for superiority.
I am preparing these kids for the future in this region of the country, and it looks to me that they're all PC. This is not even mentioning some other local "big" employers that are PC-only...Heck, even Wal-Mart's cash registers are PC's now. Where are the Mac's? In advertising and design perhaps...but those are all in much larger cities. So am I wrong in supplying them with the types of computers they will go out into the workplace and use? I think not. Do I have a beef against Macs? Not in the least. But I have a beef against people trying to get kids to use what they see as a superior computer simply because it's there.
Yet, that's exactly what you're doing with PCs...
As for "gunning for" a job...I do my job and enjoy it...and I feel I do the best job anyone can. If that is "gunning for" it, then I am doing so. I believe their mismanagment lies in the fact that they are giving grade-school kids $1000 eMacs (which, I might add, have had a near 50% failure rate in video cards) when a low-end PC would work fine. The mismanagment lies in picking a machine simply because of its name and its aura, and not because of its list of specifications or commonality in the local economy.
Your reasoning here is slightly more sound, but still ultimately flawed. Choosing one platform because of its "commonality in the local economy" is still not a good enough reason. Plurality is key.
Now, if you would kindly refrain from insulting me ("If you weren't trolling",) perhaps we could have a nice conversation on why you think I should buy Macs when no business in the area is?
I wasn't insulting you, I was obliging you and insulting your (IMO) invalid arguments. Besides, if every business in the area was also practicing some form of animal sacrifice to the gods of commerce, would that mean you'd have to get your kids to do it too? Extreme example, yes, but just because everyone else is doing something doesn't mean you have to condemn these kids to being unable to use another platform should the need and opportunity arise.
There IS one neighboring district that is buying Macs like there's no tomorrow...and that's because their IT Director is a former Mac salesman. When he retires (or is fired for mismanagement) they, too, will switch over to PC-only. I look forward to the day when I can rid my own district of them, personally. Mod this what you want, but this is what is going on in the world of education.
Not gonna mod, gonna reply, because you asked for it...
It's not what's going on in the world of education, it's what's going on in your world. Big difference. You've got an obvious beef against Macs and you actually take pride in it. Your opinion isn't backed up by hard, reliable facts, just your anecdotal evidence. I'm sure, should you get that job you're gunning for, there will be someone below you with a differnt view hoping you get fired for mismanagement as well.
Also, your constant cries of, "I'm not trolling", and, "this is not flamebaiting", seem to help your argument even less. If you weren't trolling, your argument would stand up on its own merits and not need the protestaions of "mod me what you like".
Republicans have nominated Estrada to a federal court bench. Republicans have selected Colin Powell to Secretary of State. Republicans have also selected Condeleezza Rice to National Security Advisor. Democrats have... the president on 24 (the TV show). I think the racist thing speaks for itself. Where's the black Democrat presidential candidate (who's taken seriously)?
You have got to be fucking kidding me, the placement of a few token minorities in key positions, (which can be easily marginalized, as was the case with Powell when he started making proclamations the rest of the regime didn't agree with, BTW) does not a forward-thinking non-racist party make. Hell, if you think of it, Clinton's probably blacker than "Condy" will ever be, at least, attitudewise. I doubt I'll ever see Miz Rice up here in Harlem, Bubba's got an office not far from my house.
If the Republican party is so minority-friendly, why do they have to trot out a few token blacks or hispanics at every Republican national convention to sow how progressive they are? If they're so minority friendly, why are they against the quota system in schools that allows minorities a shot at getting in, but not against the lesser known but much more effective system of "knowing the right people" that's gotten a lot of whites into the better colleges when they had neither the grades or the aptitude to get into those schools?
The Dems are far from perfect and sometimes, yeah, they're worse than the republicans, but it's not for the reasons you've come up with.
Considering they put out Mac OSX version of everquest, I wouldn't rule out Mac version completely.
Yeah, but I'm kinda afraid that some marketing hack at SOE pushed that out the door as a bone to Mac users and also in the hopes that it would fail so they could say, "see? there's no money in Mac gaming" The whole Mac-only server setup, stuff like that, it doesn't bode well.
But hey, on the off chance it is a success, maybe it won't take them four years to port SWG.
That is a little wierd, although not wholly surprising. It's kind of a variant of the little man syndrome, where folks who adopt a platform not in the mainstream have to justify themselves either via inflated specs in some obscure area or, failing that, vitriol.
Yes, except in this case, the vitriol seems to be coming from the X86 fanboys and the PPC fanboys in equal measure. Guys like the one that wrote the page we're all talking about now lost a lot of sleep last night poring over the specs in an effort to debunk Apple's claims. Much like the Apple fans went out of their way to defend them.
Your assertion that Mac users are the only ones looking at little man syndrome are a bit one-sided at best, patently absurd at worst.
It seems to me that if somebody wanted to use an inferior product, the first thing they'd do is develop a thick skin and at a minimum ignore the criticism being lobbed at their platform of choice.
A thick skin only lasts but so long when you have people with nothing better to do but take shots at you because of your perceived "difference". The thing about being in the minority is that the majority automatically thinks their better than you, (whether its' true or not) and some of them take every opportunity to poke you with that stick.
That, or choose to adopt something that seems to work better for the majority so that they don't have to feel left out all the time; obviously when you get to the point of chewing out people who are trying to show you why your choice is flawed it's become a popularity contest for you already (competing, not computing).
Your argument right there reveals your bias quite plainly. Just who are you to judge what the best platform is for me? No one. You're as much a pawn of that popularity contest as anyone else, hell, probably moreso, becuase you've fallen in with the other 95%.
Perhaps you should better heed the words in your.sig...
G5 may be a marketing name, but it's gonna be IBM's chip. Hopefully Moto will never come into the picture unless they pull pretty much a 180 and seriously get their shit together in regards to apple. (Pigs have a better chance of flying out of the Pope's ass)
As far as AMD goes, I prefer it in the X86 space too, but I'm not gonna go apeshit comparing it to the 970 because that way zealotry lies. My original reply was just a tongue-in- cheek way of pointing out that Macheads aren't the only ones capable of that particular stripe of brand loyalty.
Of course, Apple don't publish G4 SPEC figures do they. I wonder why?
Possibly because on the off-chance that the G5 kicks the crap out of whatever Intel throws at it, the number of Intel fanbois shitting bricks while simultaneously flailing for some other statistic to prove their chipset is better might throw the Earth off its axis?
Sen. Hatch broke this mold for a second and actually stated a strong personal opinion, and he gets nailed for it.
That's all well and good, IF (and that's a big "if") Sen. Hatch's personal opinion is really that, or it's just what his biggest contributors want to hear.
The question really is, "Does the distinguished gentleman take this stand becuase he's well informed on the issue; or does he take it to keep his campaign contributions coming?"
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Clipthuhlu?
Either that, or you've been watching Korean propaganda videos again...
Want design better than Apple's? liebermann
You're fucking kidding me, right? Every one of their
laptops but the 17" looks like a Dell re-hash and
the 17" looks like their designer stole Apple's
notes. The design of the desktops is top-notch... if
you're the kind that goes for mullets and muscle cars...
To each their own, I guess...
Now let's see how long it takes the software community
to catch up. Not long, I'd wager, before we're seeing
ridiculously torqued up system requirements for the
next version of Office. "A terrabyte of RAM? let's
render clippy on the fly in 12 dimensions and map
out all the quantum placeholders too!"
I'm still using a now 12-year-old old ADB keyboard from a
68040 Quadra 660 AV on a six-year-old B&W G3 that's
sitting in the corner running as a fileserver.
The old ADB keyboards still let you reboot and issue some
rudimentary commands from the keyboard after a machine
locked up, something the newer USB boards don't do.
The dot.bomb adventure that every PHB and his brother
tried to get in on when they saw the geeks were making
money hand-over-fist... THAT dot.bomb adventure?
Corporate know-nothings weren't immune to that particular
foible, smartass.
"Take off and nuke the site from orbit...it's the only way to be sure..."
VATech received the grant from an 'anonymous donor' for the project.
Funny how you didn't cite a source for this, mister AC.
Oh, that's right, because there isn't one.
Need a belay partner?
Considering he's broke, I can see
why he's suing, he needs the cash and he doesn't
want to part with the bones of the Elephant man.
Bubbles has taken a "no comment" stance though...
Do you have children? Would you let your kids watch porn? After all, they'll just want to watch it more...
You wanna keep your kids from watching porn? Tape
you and your spouse doing it. Unless you're both
supermodels, there's nothing like a dose of parental
sex to scar a kid for life =D
No, that's Snyder. It's a Buffy reference, not a Simpsons one.
Okay...since you obviously have a beef AGAINST anything but Macs,
Strike one, pal. It would behoove you to do a bit
of research before making blanket statements like
that. I work on whatever I need to use to get the
job done, be it Mac or PC. Most of the financial
firms I've consulted have used nothing but PCs.
If I truly had a beef against them, I wouldn't
work with 'em.
I will tell you why I think this is good for my school district...and other ones in my region. Let me look at a few places I've worked, and where others from my school might work. First one on my list was an automotive shop...they had a PC doing their shop manuals...they had a PC doing their inventory tracking...they had a PC doing their accounting. So in that job, it's PC:1, Mac:0. Second place...Signmaking shop that used CNC machines to mill them...the design was done on a PC, the CNC machine was run by a PC, and their accounting, inventory, and typesetting was done on a PC. I will admit that their order tracking was done on some old grimy IBM machine, though...still, PC:2, Mac:0. Third place...Architectural Firm. They did AutoCAD on a PC...specificaitons were done on a PC...accounting was done on a PC...correspondence and such was done on a PC. Score: PC:3, Mac:0. Next place would be some freelance work I did for a grocery store chain...everything, from accounting to payroll to e-mail, was done on a PC. I have stopped keeping score because I am done trying to get anyone to see my point with this method. Every place I have ever worked at had PC's exclusively.
And in every place except perhaps the one that
used Autocad, a Mac would have probably sufficed
just as easily. Don't mistake ubiquity for superiority.
I am preparing these kids for the future in this region of the country, and it looks to me that they're all PC. This is not even mentioning some other local "big" employers that are PC-only...Heck, even Wal-Mart's cash registers are PC's now. Where are the Mac's? In advertising and design perhaps...but those are all in much larger cities. So am I wrong in supplying them with the types of computers they will go out into the workplace and use? I think not. Do I have a beef against Macs? Not in the least. But I have a beef against people trying to get kids to use what they see as a superior computer simply because it's there.
Yet, that's exactly what you're doing with PCs...
As for "gunning for" a job...I do my job and enjoy it...and I feel I do the best job anyone can. If that is "gunning for" it, then I am doing so. I believe their mismanagment lies in the fact that they are giving grade-school kids $1000 eMacs (which, I might add, have had a near 50% failure rate in video cards) when a low-end PC would work fine. The mismanagment lies in picking a machine simply because of its name and its aura, and not because of its list of specifications or commonality in the local economy.
Your reasoning here is slightly more sound, but
still ultimately flawed. Choosing one platform
because of its "commonality in the local economy"
is still not a good enough reason. Plurality is key.
Now, if you would kindly refrain from insulting me ("If you weren't trolling",) perhaps we could have a nice conversation on why you think I should buy Macs when no business in the area is?
I wasn't insulting you, I was obliging you and
insulting your (IMO) invalid arguments. Besides,
if every business in the area was also practicing
some form of animal sacrifice to the gods of
commerce, would that mean you'd have to get your
kids to do it too? Extreme example, yes, but just
because everyone else is doing something doesn't
mean you have to condemn these kids to being
unable to use another platform should the need and
opportunity arise.
There IS one neighboring district that is buying Macs like there's no tomorrow...and that's because their IT Director is a former Mac salesman. When he retires (or is fired for mismanagement) they, too, will switch over to PC-only. I look forward to the day when I can rid my own district of them, personally. Mod this what you want, but this is what is going on in the world of education.
Not gonna mod, gonna reply, because you asked for it...
It's not what's going on in the world of
education, it's what's going on in your
world. Big difference. You've got an obvious beef
against Macs and you actually take pride in it.
Your opinion isn't backed up by hard, reliable
facts, just your anecdotal evidence. I'm sure,
should you get that job you're gunning for, there
will be someone below you with a differnt view
hoping you get fired for mismanagement as well.
Also, your constant cries of, "I'm not trolling",
and, "this is not flamebaiting", seem to help
your argument even less. If you weren't trolling,
your argument would stand up on its own merits and
not need the protestaions of "mod me what you like".
No, but he's shorter than you'd think....
Republicans have nominated Estrada to a federal court bench. Republicans have selected Colin Powell to Secretary of State. Republicans have also selected Condeleezza Rice to National Security Advisor. Democrats have ... the president on 24 (the TV show). I think the racist thing speaks for itself. Where's the black Democrat presidential candidate (who's taken seriously)?
You have got to be fucking kidding me, the
placement of a few token minorities in key
positions, (which can be easily marginalized, as
was the case with Powell when he started making
proclamations the rest of the regime didn't agree
with, BTW) does not a forward-thinking non-racist
party make. Hell, if you think of it, Clinton's
probably blacker than "Condy" will ever be, at
least, attitudewise. I doubt I'll ever see Miz
Rice up here in Harlem, Bubba's got an office not
far from my house.
If the Republican party is so minority-friendly,
why do they have to trot out a few token blacks or
hispanics at every Republican national convention
to sow how progressive they are? If they're so
minority friendly, why are they against the quota
system in schools that allows minorities a shot at
getting in, but not against the lesser known but
much more effective system of "knowing the right
people" that's gotten a lot of whites into the
better colleges when they had neither the grades
or the aptitude to get into those schools?
The Dems are far from perfect and sometimes, yeah,
they're worse than the republicans, but it's not
for the reasons you've come up with.
Exactly. Like I said, reasons to add to the list for
not making games for the Mac. These guys will use it
as a case study.
It does run on my PBG4 fairly nicely though...
Considering they put out Mac OSX version of everquest, I wouldn't rule out Mac version completely.
Yeah, but I'm kinda afraid that some marketing hack
at SOE pushed that out the door as a bone to Mac
users and also in the hopes that it would fail so
they could say, "see? there's no money in Mac gaming"
The whole Mac-only server setup, stuff like that,
it doesn't bode well.
But hey, on the off chance it is a success, maybe
it won't take them four years to port SWG.
That is a little wierd, although not wholly surprising. It's kind of a variant of the little man syndrome, where folks who adopt a platform not in the mainstream have to justify themselves either via inflated specs in some obscure area or, failing that, vitriol.
.sig...
Yes, except in this case, the vitriol seems to be
coming from the X86 fanboys and the PPC fanboys in
equal measure. Guys like the one that wrote the page
we're all talking about now lost a lot of sleep
last night poring over the specs in an effort to
debunk Apple's claims. Much like the Apple fans
went out of their way to defend them.
Your assertion that Mac users are the only ones
looking at little man syndrome are a bit one-sided
at best, patently absurd at worst.
It seems to me that if somebody wanted to use an inferior product, the first thing they'd do is develop a thick skin and at a minimum ignore the criticism being lobbed at their platform of choice.
A thick skin only lasts but so long when you have
people with nothing better to do but take shots at
you because of your perceived "difference". The
thing about being in the minority is that the
majority automatically thinks their better than
you, (whether its' true or not) and some of them
take every opportunity to poke you with that stick.
That, or choose to adopt something that seems to work better for the majority so that they don't have to feel left out all the time; obviously when you get to the point of chewing out people who are trying to show you why your choice is flawed it's become a popularity contest for you already (competing, not computing).
Your argument right there reveals your bias quite
plainly. Just who are you to judge what the best
platform is for me? No one. You're as much a pawn
of that popularity contest as anyone else, hell,
probably moreso, becuase you've fallen in with the
other 95%.
Perhaps you should better heed the words in your
Why does Apple use DDR as opposed to say RDRAM or some other higher-speed technology?
Simple. DDR has a better soundtrack.
Then, shouldn't you amend your .sig to "Guns don't
kill consumers, consumers kill consumers"?
It only fits if you do it with a French accent.
G5 may be a marketing name, but it's gonna be IBM's chip.
Hopefully Moto will never come into the picture unless they
pull pretty much a 180 and seriously get their shit together
in regards to apple. (Pigs have a better chance of flying out
of the Pope's ass)
As far as AMD goes, I prefer it in the X86 space too, but I'm
not gonna go apeshit comparing it to the 970 because that
way zealotry lies. My original reply was just a tongue-in-
cheek way of pointing out that Macheads aren't the only
ones capable of that particular stripe of brand loyalty.
Of course, Apple don't publish G4 SPEC figures do they. I wonder why?
Possibly because on the off-chance that the G5 kicks the
crap out of whatever Intel throws at it, the number of Intel
fanbois shitting bricks while simultaneously flailing for
some other statistic to prove their chipset is better might
throw the Earth off its axis?
It could happen....
Sen. Hatch broke this mold for a second and actually stated a strong personal opinion, and he gets nailed for it.
That's all well and good, IF (and that's a big "if")
Sen. Hatch's personal opinion is really that, or
it's just what his biggest contributors want to hear.
The question really is, "Does the distinguished
gentleman take this stand becuase he's well
informed on the issue; or does he take it to keep
his campaign contributions coming?"
You can upload Men in Black???