One is a movie, the other is a Playstation 2 game. Hopefully you can see the difference. I'm also going to make a wild guess and say that the killings in Manhunt 2 are probably more meaningful than in Hostel 2.
But it's not a rating board's job to worry about such things, and if a game should be banned or effectively banned because it may or may not cause a tiny segment of the population to flip out, why aren't all violent games banned?
By the same logic violent movies, aggressive music and alcohol should be banned too.
It's weird, I always play female characters* but I never run into problems with asl requests, stalkers or horny teenagers, and I don't recall getting much special treatment from players. Could be that people notice from my typing that I'm male.
* if you're going to stare at a character for 70 levels, it may as well be an attractive female
what killed the mood was him realizing he was having his ass handed to him on a golded platter for hours straight over and over by an 11 year old. He didn't like feeling like a noob. Pure pwnage on the 11 year old's part.
Did you even read the article? They weren't playing PvP, and it is pretty fucking weird and creepy when you're 38 and your group leader turns out to be 11 when you're voice chatting. And if he simply didn't want to feel like a newbie, then how does age factor into this? He wouldn't have even started playing the game in the first place.
I wouldn't want to voice chat with a 11 year old either. I never ask where people are from, what their gender is or how old they are. I don't want to know.
One of their arguments againts the game is completely absurd (source):
Against this background, the Board's carefully considered view is that to issue a certificate to Manhunt 2, on either platform, would involve a range of unjustifiable harm risks, to both adults and minors, within the terms of the Video Recordings Act, and accordingly that its availability, even if statutorily confined to adults, would be unacceptable to the public.
If Manhunt 2 is banned because it it's harmful to adults, then clearly violent movies should be banned too, not to mention alcohol. If they are unwilling to ban violent movies and alcohol, then the argument that Manhunt 2 should be banned because it's harmful is completely null and void.
Minors can't legally buy the game, so they shouldn't even be a factor in the decision. If parents can't control what their kids are doing, how is that the BBFC's problem? I also like the way they decide what they think "the public" finds or doesn't find unacceptable.
Neil Gaiman is quite well known, and if he started developing the book in 1996 then he isn't copying The One, which was released much later. Also, Jet Li does not team up with alternate versions of himself in the movie, and there are no "two equally powerful forces" to be seen.
The popular site Jihad Watch has a blog dedicated to it too. It consists of nothing but dissecting JW posts, and not in a particularly intelligent manner.
Why isn't this "xenophobia" directed againts anyone and everyone? Is it precision xenophobia or something?
we've actually been kicking out graduate students and postdocs with Middle Eastern origins and generally making their lives miserable with red tape and problems with student visas. With that sort of treatment, they'll probably end up pursuing careers somewhere other than the U. S.
And is there supposed to be something strange about people being distrustful of Muslims?
The US can't win. No military force can. They're no longer fighting a war, they're trying to police and reconstruct a country, and they're dealing with an infinite stream of terrorists who will keep coming for decades if necessary. On top of that, there's the Sunni-Shia war and various Islamic militias who will fight anything and anyone deemed un-Islamic.
There's simply no way to "win." The Iraq War itself was a cakewalk, the US military taking over the country with ridiculous ease. In military terms the US can't be defeated (in Iraq), but you can't "win" in Iraq through military means.
Why was this modded flamebait? You may not agree with it but that doesn't mean that it was an intentional flamebait troll. As shocking as this may sound, you are not the sole guardians of the Truth.
Besides, what the parent says is true. The Western world is littered with mosques that preach Jihad againts the infidels and the supremacy of Islam, and telling the difference between "radicals" and "moderates" is either difficult or impossible, until it's too late. And nobody wants to make the distinction, because it's much more pleasant to keep dreaming that everyone is a moderate.
Many Arab countries won't allow you to enter if you've been to Israel, but do the tolerant, enlightened guardians of the Truth ever complain about that? Well, of course not.
As is standard for Slashdot, any opinion not conforming to leftist groupthink is either a flamebait or a troll (but everyone still whines about freedom of speech).
You make a good point about being equally suspicious of everyone because "discrimination" and profiling are always wrong. I more or less agree with the rest too.
You can't rush something as complex as E2. Even the maps take a long time to make, as any mapper can tell you.
Sure, they could release stuff every six months, but the quality would be much lower, and the episodes would be very, very short. E2 is well worth the wait.
Today I spent all my mod points reversing completely insane moderating decisions, in just one topic. That's actually all I ever use my points for. Somebody has to do it.
Muslims have different beliefs and standards regarding freedom of expression, such as art, and blasphemy. There's nothing abnormal, strange or shameful about a Muslim going violently apeshit when somebody somehow insults his religion. Don't confuse your interpretation of Islam with the real thing. Islam is a deeply insecure religion, so disproportionately violent reactions to criticism and real or imagined insults are to be expected.
Atheism is not a system of morality or ethics, nor is it a religion. There's nothing about atheism that specifically finds child porn in particular to be abhorrent, as opposed to some other things.
There's also a difference between how Muslims and Christians conduct themselves when they are offended. Muslims riot and murder while threatening to behead everyone at the slightest, most trivial provocation, whereas Christians do not. The Ecce Homo exhibition in Sweden did not provoke any violent reactions, despite being displayed in churches. If you did the same in a mosque (not that you'd ever get permission), you'd be killed. You'd probably be in danger if you even suggested it.
It's not a moral question. They simply don't lose anything. And where did I say I live in America? If I lived there, I'd no doubt have a credit card because seemingly every American has one.
And what exactly does it matter that someone who could never get legitimate access to the product downloads it from the Internet? There's not even potential revenue there for the author.
How insightful. I am certain that the grandparent never even contemplated the hypothetical possibility of buying something from another country!
I don't have a credit card, and my debit card doesn't seem to work for online purchases even thought it should. So what the fuck do you expect me to do? There's no way I can legally get something that isn't sold in my country.
I think you might be starting to lose your grip on reality. Someone mentions EVE and you immediately launch into an elitist rant about how EVE is the most awesome game ever and anyone who doesn't spend all their free time playing it should move to a third world country because they don't "embrace technology."
The post you were replying to didn't have anything to do with EVE as a game.
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I can't speak for any other countries, but Manhunt 2 is available for preorder in Finland, and there's no reason to think that it will be banned here.
One is a movie, the other is a Playstation 2 game. Hopefully you can see the difference. I'm also going to make a wild guess and say that the killings in Manhunt 2 are probably more meaningful than in Hostel 2.
But it's not a rating board's job to worry about such things, and if a game should be banned or effectively banned because it may or may not cause a tiny segment of the population to flip out, why aren't all violent games banned?
By the same logic violent movies, aggressive music and alcohol should be banned too.
It's weird, I always play female characters* but I never run into problems with asl requests, stalkers or horny teenagers, and I don't recall getting much special treatment from players. Could be that people notice from my typing that I'm male.
* if you're going to stare at a character for 70 levels, it may as well be an attractive female
Apparently you can no longer say the word "Bush" on the Internet without someone launching into a rant about oil.
Did you even read the article? They weren't playing PvP, and it is pretty fucking weird and creepy when you're 38 and your group leader turns out to be 11 when you're voice chatting. And if he simply didn't want to feel like a newbie, then how does age factor into this? He wouldn't have even started playing the game in the first place.
I wouldn't want to voice chat with a 11 year old either. I never ask where people are from, what their gender is or how old they are. I don't want to know.
If Manhunt 2 is banned because it it's harmful to adults, then clearly violent movies should be banned too, not to mention alcohol. If they are unwilling to ban violent movies and alcohol, then the argument that Manhunt 2 should be banned because it's harmful is completely null and void.
Minors can't legally buy the game, so they shouldn't even be a factor in the decision. If parents can't control what their kids are doing, how is that the BBFC's problem? I also like the way they decide what they think "the public" finds or doesn't find unacceptable.
Neil Gaiman is quite well known, and if he started developing the book in 1996 then he isn't copying The One, which was released much later. Also, Jet Li does not team up with alternate versions of himself in the movie, and there are no "two equally powerful forces" to be seen.
The popular site Jihad Watch has a blog dedicated to it too. It consists of nothing but dissecting JW posts, and not in a particularly intelligent manner.
I'm seeing a pattern.
I can't believe Yaman Salahi started a blog for the sole purpose of picking apart everything Lee Kaplan writes on the Internet.
Why isn't this "xenophobia" directed againts anyone and everyone? Is it precision xenophobia or something?
And is there supposed to be something strange about people being distrustful of Muslims?
The US can't win. No military force can. They're no longer fighting a war, they're trying to police and reconstruct a country, and they're dealing with an infinite stream of terrorists who will keep coming for decades if necessary. On top of that, there's the Sunni-Shia war and various Islamic militias who will fight anything and anyone deemed un-Islamic.
There's simply no way to "win." The Iraq War itself was a cakewalk, the US military taking over the country with ridiculous ease. In military terms the US can't be defeated (in Iraq), but you can't "win" in Iraq through military means.
Why was this modded flamebait? You may not agree with it but that doesn't mean that it was an intentional flamebait troll. As shocking as this may sound, you are not the sole guardians of the Truth.
Besides, what the parent says is true. The Western world is littered with mosques that preach Jihad againts the infidels and the supremacy of Islam, and telling the difference between "radicals" and "moderates" is either difficult or impossible, until it's too late. And nobody wants to make the distinction, because it's much more pleasant to keep dreaming that everyone is a moderate.
Many Arab countries won't allow you to enter if you've been to Israel, but do the tolerant, enlightened guardians of the Truth ever complain about that? Well, of course not.
As is standard for Slashdot, any opinion not conforming to leftist groupthink is either a flamebait or a troll (but everyone still whines about freedom of speech).
You make a good point about being equally suspicious of everyone because "discrimination" and profiling are always wrong. I more or less agree with the rest too.
You can't rush something as complex as E2. Even the maps take a long time to make, as any mapper can tell you.
Sure, they could release stuff every six months, but the quality would be much lower, and the episodes would be very, very short. E2 is well worth the wait.
Today I spent all my mod points reversing completely insane moderating decisions, in just one topic. That's actually all I ever use my points for. Somebody has to do it.
Muslims have different beliefs and standards regarding freedom of expression, such as art, and blasphemy. There's nothing abnormal, strange or shameful about a Muslim going violently apeshit when somebody somehow insults his religion. Don't confuse your interpretation of Islam with the real thing. Islam is a deeply insecure religion, so disproportionately violent reactions to criticism and real or imagined insults are to be expected.
Atheism is not a system of morality or ethics, nor is it a religion. There's nothing about atheism that specifically finds child porn in particular to be abhorrent, as opposed to some other things.
There's also a difference between how Muslims and Christians conduct themselves when they are offended. Muslims riot and murder while threatening to behead everyone at the slightest, most trivial provocation, whereas Christians do not. The Ecce Homo exhibition in Sweden did not provoke any violent reactions, despite being displayed in churches. If you did the same in a mosque (not that you'd ever get permission), you'd be killed. You'd probably be in danger if you even suggested it.
It really isn't comparable.
Uh, I already said that a) I can't import from another country and b) my country is not the US.
It's not a moral question. They simply don't lose anything. And where did I say I live in America? If I lived there, I'd no doubt have a credit card because seemingly every American has one.
And what exactly does it matter that someone who could never get legitimate access to the product downloads it from the Internet? There's not even potential revenue there for the author.
How insightful. I am certain that the grandparent never even contemplated the hypothetical possibility of buying something from another country!
I don't have a credit card, and my debit card doesn't seem to work for online purchases even thought it should. So what the fuck do you expect me to do? There's no way I can legally get something that isn't sold in my country.
Absolutely fucking mind boggling that even this got modded flamebait. What the fuck is wrong with Slashdot?
I never saw it myself, but it was in the first Baldur's Gate.
I think you might be starting to lose your grip on reality. Someone mentions EVE and you immediately launch into an elitist rant about how EVE is the most awesome game ever and anyone who doesn't spend all their free time playing it should move to a third world country because they don't "embrace technology."
The post you were replying to didn't have anything to do with EVE as a game.