Only alchemists and very poor cooks feel the need to have secret recipes. Look how little mark they leave on the world.
Nonsense. This individual has just as much right to develop closed-source software as you do open-sourced. There's nothing wrong with arguing a point, but stick to reality. Are you implying that, love them or hate them, companies like Microsoft, Apple, Oracle, IBM, et. al, haven't left a "mark on the world?" Or are you just dealing with your imaginary alchemists and poor cooks?
Do you have access to the source for every bit of embedded firmware in the electronics you own? Most likely not. Does that make you a hippocrate? (answer left as an excersise to the reader).
My advice: hire a lawyer who does understand the various licenses.
Good general advice if you ever plan on porting away from BSD. If you know for certain you want to stay on a BSD-based OS, then it seems as though that would just be wasted money.
A large number of people who subscribe here are against proprietary software on principal. I am not (although I choose to pay for and support open source), although I can almost assure you using a BSD-based OS will allow you to develop and release your product w/o fear.
they can't compete based on the quality of their products, that's for sure
I'm a strong open-source advocate but I'll argue that Microsoft CAN compete based on the quality of their products (particularly their client-side products). That's because they've proven time and time again that what they churn out is "good enough" for the average consumer. It's easy to lose sight of the fact that to 95% of users software is just a tool used to perform a task. The focus is on the task to be performed, not the tool.
What a lot of open source people "don't get" is the fact that you can't change people's priorities. You can't approach a doctor, a lawyer, a sales person, or a store clerk to suddenly become passionate about the tools they're using to complete their work without serious incentive. Do you think any of these people care about whether the format of their files is "open" or "proprietary?"
Once the right intellectual discovers that incentive, open source software will explode.
But its not like those customers became Microsoft customers. Or even abandoned linux. The only abandoned Novell.
True enough, but regardless of how one feels about Novell today, they are fairly decent-sized company with a formal support system. Some orgs will only allow the installation of software that's backed by a formal service contract.
It was probably an unintended consequence, but one that Microsoft nonetheless viewed as advantageous. Fortunately, I can't ever see Red Hat, Canonical, or IBM walking into that bee's nest.
Has anyone stopped to consider the fact that this might be exactly how Microsoft wants the OS community to respond? The backlash against Novell after their deal was significant...it's safe to say they lost at least a handful of customers as a result.
If Microsoft can chip away little by little at the guys who are selling support services, then it only helps their business.
Being a professional political candidate (which is all elected officials are these days) is not unlike being an actor. It's even more superficial and flashy than acting, except you never admit it's fake. Come to think of it, no wonder Jesse Ventura was so qualified.
Given the fact that what we need right now is a return to diplomacy, doesn't it make sense to place someone in our highest office who communicates well? He's been around since the Nixon era (but I haven't read any negative articles about his involvement in anything) and hasn't been involved in any serious controversies. Why not him?
Further illustrating the good old boy club between megacorporations and the US government. We already have too many businessmen in the government. Politicians all about making money, not good governance. Fewer big businessmen, more statesmen please.
Agreed. What this country needs in the shortterm--the next four years--is someone (Dem, Rep, Lib, Cons, Black, Brown, Pink, Male, Female, Trans) who can restore the moralistic standing in our country, and reassert our position as Diplomants. A statesmen who speaks well and can be trusted, just to get us through the healing period. The real elections can start in 2012.
The ironic caveat, as mentioned in the article, is that MythTV (and it's underlying Linux kernel) have *better* hardware support than Vista!
It's only ironic when you consider the entire consumer OS market. For a specialized segment of that market, one on which Microsoft wishes to limit the amount of officially supported hardware, it makes perfect sense.
And yeah, right. Like Lowtax and the admins are really going to be aiding and abetting something as stupid as this, or like the Swarm would discuss something of this maliciousness and magnitude on a publicly accessible forum.
Lowtax and the admins -- were they new wave or punk?
A text excerpt from one of the posted articles: "Would like to petition you guys for sendin in a isd reporter that did bump my dreadnaught when we were at align to hostile pros..."
Holy shit! Someone needs a little dose of reality...
Just as importantly, parents have to monitor other parents. Most of the cons we were able to pull off as kids we did so because of some absentee, uncaring, or gullible parent of a friend. We were like hungry lions seeking out the wounded antelope, and I doubt that has changed much.
My attitude is simple: Given the choice of being safe or hurt, I'm always going to err on the side of safety. My child is important enough to me to respect her right to be alive and safe believing I'm overprotecting, than to be dead and not know any different.
For me, at least, there aren't any second chances. The great thing about the Linux market is there's plenty of choice. Why choose Novell now?
Novell was probably scared shitless. We've all seen how MS conducts itself on the stage, and when they approached Novell they probably did what they thought was in their best interest of their shareholders (you know, those annoying people who have the ability to destroy a company). That's the ugly paradox of Capitalism, and all large companies are equally affected (yes, even Microsoft).
OpenDNS is bummed that Google figured out a way to make money off the proposition. OpenDNS should have thought of that first.
OpenDNS has been doing this for some time, so you're just plain, embarassingly wrong. I use OpenDNS as my forwarding DNS servers and I enjoy their automatic redirection feature, but I always have the option of switching away to other forwarders. Dell's deal is much more stealth and they haven't been nearly as up-front about it.
Sometimes you just have to make an example of someone, and when you do you go for the harshest penalty you can for effect.
Couldn't have said it better. Also, this kid was no 'victim of circumstance:' When I went to school there was at least one fist fight a semester in the hallways that was usually the result of funneling too many hormonally-imbalanced adolescents together in a place that they didn't particullarly want to be. Nothing serious ever become of them and I don't recall the punishments being that harsh.
Contrast that to what this idiot did--an overt act meant to humiliate his teacher. He got caught, and now he deserves to pay. The school's correct to start off with the bar high on this one. Set this kid straight before he has a chance to influence any others and distract them from the business of learning.
Your right to express your dissent with a certain person in an artistic way?
Then let the kid picket outside the school on a Saturday (or even during the week, who really cares if such a hump shows up to class?). He has no rights whatsoever to sneak a camera into a classroom. Make an example of this nutjob and keep him away from my kid.
There are certain social taboos that simply aren't tolerated, free speech or not. Jokes about sexual assault against women are considered unacceptable.
Don't believe me? Then go stand on the street corner holding a sign proclaiming otherwise.
This is just FURTHER indication about how scared Microsoft is right now. Even on the desktop side, in which Linux has arguably not made much of a splash, a major PC manufacturer has agreed to start distributing it.
It's almost sad, really. It's like that last emotionally-charged argument made when someone realizes they've lost debate. MS will never go bankrupt, but their days on top are over.
And just how would the group decide who would have the privilige of "taking one for the team?" A vote at the beginning of the school year? Or maybe they could rotate the responsibility like they do so many other positions:
Week of 5/14/2007: Line Leader: Sally; Lunchroom Monitor: Michael; Vigilante: Kenneth
This is just further indication of just how scared Microsoft must be right now. Vista's turning out to be a flop (overall), and they have no real road forward.
Seriously, look at the number of potential customers Microsoft might potentially alienate by making this move. The fact that given that knowledge they're still electing to push on with this threat essentially confirms the fact that they know how obsolete their products have become.
Really though it's not much worse than flipping through your favorite CD tof ind that song you really want to hear, or reaching down to pick something up.
That just doesn't ring true. It requires quite a bit more attention to detail to send a text message, and even moreso to participate in a conversation.
Why is it that anything involving a cel phone demands a special law prohibiting it? It's all feeling rather moralistic.
Such an ordinance would serve (at least) two rightful purposes:
1. It sends a clear message to the public that such behavior is NOT safe (don't assume the general public understands this, because there's a huge disconnect there), and
2. In the period immediately following it's enactment, it makes it more difficult for violators to defend themselves in court (especially if the law is followed with a fair amount of publicity), and
3. It helps to get the word out (remember the addage about "word of mouth" advertising?).
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Only alchemists and very poor cooks feel the need to have secret recipes. Look how little mark they leave on the world.
Nonsense. This individual has just as much right to develop closed-source software as you do open-sourced. There's nothing wrong with arguing a point, but stick to reality. Are you implying that, love them or hate them, companies like Microsoft, Apple, Oracle, IBM, et. al, haven't left a "mark on the world?" Or are you just dealing with your imaginary alchemists and poor cooks?
Do you have access to the source for every bit of embedded firmware in the electronics you own? Most likely not. Does that make you a hippocrate? (answer left as an excersise to the reader).
My advice: hire a lawyer who does understand the various licenses.
Good general advice if you ever plan on porting away from BSD. If you know for certain you want to stay on a BSD-based OS, then it seems as though that would just be wasted money.
A large number of people who subscribe here are against proprietary software on principal. I am not (although I choose to pay for and support open source), although I can almost assure you using a BSD-based OS will allow you to develop and release your product w/o fear.
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they can't compete based on the quality of their products, that's for sure
I'm a strong open-source advocate but I'll argue that Microsoft CAN compete based on the quality of their products (particularly their client-side products). That's because they've proven time and time again that what they churn out is "good enough" for the average consumer. It's easy to lose sight of the fact that to 95% of users software is just a tool used to perform a task. The focus is on the task to be performed, not the tool.
What a lot of open source people "don't get" is the fact that you can't change people's priorities. You can't approach a doctor, a lawyer, a sales person, or a store clerk to suddenly become passionate about the tools they're using to complete their work without serious incentive. Do you think any of these people care about whether the format of their files is "open" or "proprietary?"
Once the right intellectual discovers that incentive, open source software will explode.
As nonsensical as the U.S. Patent Office can appear, they will never fall for this. This is a non-starter.
But its not like those customers became Microsoft customers. Or even abandoned linux. The only abandoned Novell.
True enough, but regardless of how one feels about Novell today, they are fairly decent-sized company with a formal support system. Some orgs will only allow the installation of software that's backed by a formal service contract.
It was probably an unintended consequence, but one that Microsoft nonetheless viewed as advantageous. Fortunately, I can't ever see Red Hat, Canonical, or IBM walking into that bee's nest.
Has anyone stopped to consider the fact that this might be exactly how Microsoft wants the OS community to respond? The backlash against Novell after their deal was significant...it's safe to say they lost at least a handful of customers as a result.
If Microsoft can chip away little by little at the guys who are selling support services, then it only helps their business.
Of course I could be totally wrong.
Being a professional political candidate (which is all elected officials are these days) is not unlike being an actor. It's even more superficial and flashy than acting, except you never admit it's fake. Come to think of it, no wonder Jesse Ventura was so qualified.
Given the fact that what we need right now is a return to diplomacy, doesn't it make sense to place someone in our highest office who communicates well? He's been around since the Nixon era (but I haven't read any negative articles about his involvement in anything) and hasn't been involved in any serious controversies. Why not him?
Further illustrating the good old boy club between megacorporations and the US government. We already have too many businessmen in the government. Politicians all about making money, not good governance. Fewer big businessmen, more statesmen please.
Agreed. What this country needs in the shortterm--the next four years--is someone (Dem, Rep, Lib, Cons, Black, Brown, Pink, Male, Female, Trans) who can restore the moralistic standing in our country, and reassert our position as Diplomants. A statesmen who speaks well and can be trusted, just to get us through the healing period. The real elections can start in 2012.
The ironic caveat, as mentioned in the article, is that MythTV (and it's underlying Linux kernel) have *better* hardware support than Vista!
It's only ironic when you consider the entire consumer OS market. For a specialized segment of that market, one on which Microsoft wishes to limit the amount of officially supported hardware, it makes perfect sense.
...I've felt considerable pressure to pick a side in the argument, despite not knowing anything about it...
That's the kinda arguin' I likes!
And yeah, right. Like Lowtax and the admins are really going to be aiding and abetting something as stupid as this, or like the Swarm would discuss something of this maliciousness and magnitude on a publicly accessible forum.
Lowtax and the admins -- were they new wave or punk?
A text excerpt from one of the posted articles: "Would like to petition you guys for sendin in a isd reporter that did bump my dreadnaught when we were at align to hostile pros..."
Holy shit! Someone needs a little dose of reality...
Parents have to monitor their kids.
Just as importantly, parents have to monitor other parents. Most of the cons we were able to pull off as kids we did so because of some absentee, uncaring, or gullible parent of a friend. We were like hungry lions seeking out the wounded antelope, and I doubt that has changed much.
My attitude is simple: Given the choice of being safe or hurt, I'm always going to err on the side of safety. My child is important enough to me to respect her right to be alive and safe believing I'm overprotecting, than to be dead and not know any different.
For me, at least, there aren't any second chances. The great thing about the Linux market is there's plenty of choice. Why choose Novell now?
Novell was probably scared shitless. We've all seen how MS conducts itself on the stage, and when they approached Novell they probably did what they thought was in their best interest of their shareholders (you know, those annoying people who have the ability to destroy a company). That's the ugly paradox of Capitalism, and all large companies are equally affected (yes, even Microsoft).
OpenDNS is bummed that Google figured out a way to make money off the proposition. OpenDNS should have thought of that first.
OpenDNS has been doing this for some time, so you're just plain, embarassingly wrong. I use OpenDNS as my forwarding DNS servers and I enjoy their automatic redirection feature, but I always have the option of switching away to other forwarders. Dell's deal is much more stealth and they haven't been nearly as up-front about it.
Huge difference.
Sometimes you just have to make an example of someone, and when you do you go for the harshest penalty you can for effect.
Couldn't have said it better. Also, this kid was no 'victim of circumstance:' When I went to school there was at least one fist fight a semester in the hallways that was usually the result of funneling too many hormonally-imbalanced adolescents together in a place that they didn't particullarly want to be. Nothing serious ever become of them and I don't recall the punishments being that harsh.
Contrast that to what this idiot did--an overt act meant to humiliate his teacher. He got caught, and now he deserves to pay. The school's correct to start off with the bar high on this one. Set this kid straight before he has a chance to influence any others and distract them from the business of learning.
Your right to express your dissent with a certain person in an artistic way?
Then let the kid picket outside the school on a Saturday (or even during the week, who really cares if such a hump shows up to class?). He has no rights whatsoever to sneak a camera into a classroom. Make an example of this nutjob and keep him away from my kid.
There are certain social taboos that simply aren't tolerated, free speech or not. Jokes about sexual assault against women are considered unacceptable.
Don't believe me? Then go stand on the street corner holding a sign proclaiming otherwise.
That's what I thought.
This is just FURTHER indication about how scared Microsoft is right now. Even on the desktop side, in which Linux has arguably not made much of a splash, a major PC manufacturer has agreed to start distributing it.
It's almost sad, really. It's like that last emotionally-charged argument made when someone realizes they've lost debate. MS will never go bankrupt, but their days on top are over.
And just how would the group decide who would have the privilige of "taking one for the team?" A vote at the beginning of the school year? Or maybe they could rotate the responsibility like they do so many other positions:
Week of 5/14/2007: Line Leader: Sally; Lunchroom Monitor: Michael; Vigilante: Kenneth
Come on.
This is just further indication of just how scared Microsoft must be right now. Vista's turning out to be a flop (overall), and they have no real road forward.
Seriously, look at the number of potential customers Microsoft might potentially alienate by making this move. The fact that given that knowledge they're still electing to push on with this threat essentially confirms the fact that they know how obsolete their products have become.
Really though it's not much worse than flipping through your favorite CD tof ind that song you really want to hear, or reaching down to pick something up.
That just doesn't ring true. It requires quite a bit more attention to detail to send a text message, and even moreso to participate in a conversation.
Why is it that anything involving a cel phone demands a special law prohibiting it? It's all feeling rather moralistic.
Such an ordinance would serve (at least) two rightful purposes:
1. It sends a clear message to the public that such behavior is NOT safe (don't assume the general public understands this, because there's a huge disconnect there), and
2. In the period immediately following it's enactment, it makes it more difficult for violators to defend themselves in court (especially if the law is followed with a fair amount of publicity), and
3. It helps to get the word out (remember the addage about "word of mouth" advertising?).
This is a very good thing.