The differnce is EXACTLY that I need to go to a machine shop and create the bloody thing. I am for patents where they are needed. Can you give me ONE example of an algorithm that was invented BECAUSE of the patents, not DESPITE? Anyway, patents used to be about inventions, not ideas. Patenting ideas is stupid. You know, Edison patented the light bulb, not the idea of electric light? See the difference? By the way, first electric (usable) light was made by the russian inventor Nikolai Tesla. Tesla Coils from RedAlert anyone? Just... the bastards should keep the precious IP from ideas. They ARE NOT PRIVATE PROPERTY, nor should they. If you want to preserve your ideas, don't tell them to anyone.
By the way, I read somewhere that EU (officials) are going to abolish patents. Way to go, guys.:)
I see your point. IANAL also, but I think with my own head. Patenting ideas is stupid and always counterproductive. Correct me if I'm wrong, but RSA was invented BEFORE software patents came along. Furthermore, should EVERYTHING be patentable? Sure not, then why software? Software should be protected by copyright and only by copyright like every other piece of written work.
IMHO there are things that should not be protectable. For inctance, ideas. There is nothing on earth that will change my mind. So, if I read a book, I can do with MY ideas that the book just INSPIRED. End of story. If the author describes a patented invention, the invention is patented and protected, not the IDEA behind it. Patents are for PHYSICAL devices, not thoughts.
I guess he means software patents. And everybody on/. knows they are *EVIL*.
No, really. They are. I am mathematican and I think it is just plain STUPID to have algorithms patented. So, I cannot think a certain way? Just because someone else did? And (with patents) even though I did it first???
From the MPAA's statement: "The bottom line is that the operators of the Pirate Bay and others like them are criminals who profit handsomely by facilitating the distribution of millions of copyrighted creative works and files protected under the law," said John G. Malcolm, Executive Vice President and Director of Worldwide Anti-Piracy Operations for the MPAA. "We applaud Swedish law enforcement for their effort to stop egregious copyright infringement on The Pirate Bay."
The only Criminals who profit handsomely by facilitating the distribution of millions of copyrighted creative works and files protected under the law in this story are the MPAA. Piratebay is a search engine. You have to break a law to be 'Criminal'
Well... I will give them the first, say, 20 keys. But I have 30... they CANNOT PROVE I HAVE 30!!! They CANNOT SUSPECT I HAVE 30... Why would they beat me, then? If they want it so much, then I am doomed already, and it was not the encryption. The proposed law makes me give them the keys, but they cannot be shure I gave them all. End of story.
Well, whether software EULAs are enforcable is still under question. Recently on/. there was a post about a firm that resells software licenses. In UK it is perfectly legal, because of their law of the land, that cannot be denied because of a contract you make. And that is legal no matter what the EULA claims. It is kind of a lie, if you ask me. And, of course, the problem may arrise WHEN EULAs become enforcable (Which they are not up to date.)
IF they are the copiright holder of the code, they can release it under whatever license they want. IF they have received code that is GPL-ed, and the copyright holder is somebody else, it is illegal to use it, UNLESS you comply with it, that is to say you release your product GPL-ed. You can of course buy the code from the copyright holder. It is a complicated issue, but if you don't buy the code or a license for it that permits you to do what you want, you have to stop using it.
Yup, you're right. An educated user who doesn't go to web sites and, preferrably, keeps his computer locked in a bunker without electricity *might* be able to keep windows secure.
Not that I know about such a thing, but *if* MS says to Dell: You'll ship ALL your PC-s with Windows XP OEM version, or you will not ship any PC with Windows at all, what would you do?
I think what the GP tried to say is that with tactics like this MS have been stomping all over competition in the IT industry during the last 10 years. Just think of how many times they have "unintentionaly" broken interoperability with Samba...
Sorry it is about bashing MS, but... don't you think they deserve it?
And NO! MS don't lose market share, because if Dell must ship NONE of their PC-s with Windows, almost noone will buy them. So, actually Dell is loosing money;). If that is not arm-twisting, I don't hell know what is.
And there *are* other possibilies. I, for one, use Gentoo and Gnome. And even when I use windows I use firefox and open office and Gaim for messaging. It is not that hard, really. Plus, it is cheap and can do what I want to. The ordinary user can use Linux too. Well, he'd have to do it with SuSE. It is also free, you know. And if you want support, you can buy it.
You are right. RIAA hates p2p. But... you know that the customer is always right, ana there is a point in helping others. There are many quality movies that don't come from Hollywood, if you want an example, Munje (a serbian one), or GORA (a turkish). Besides, almost all of the bandwidth with torrents now is movies anyway.
Do you really need all this stuff? Shares on fat32 partitions? I bet on it... We'll see when EU court says MS is to disclose its specs for Samba and other intentionally broken stuff.
But... really? I use Gnome and I think it is super. Well, now I type in Windoze because I play games;)
So... really? Exactly HOW MANY people you know will notice these problems? If you feel like paying 200$ to M$ for the same ol' software with its theme changed, go ahead. But for the rest... just try SuSE and smell the rozes;).
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I have nothing personal against you. It is not coherent, and I agree to everything with the following remarks:
Oh you ment the Spanish, yes, they did, though they continue to fight a war with Basque that has been going for decades, pacifists they aren't. You're also apparently trying to make the point that backing down is what people should do, I'm sure you've got some harsh words for the U.K., and Japan, who depsite being victims of a terrorist strike and repeated kidnappings have not backed down.
But they got out of Iraq. They fight their own war, and they fight it because terrorists threaten their own homes. And the UN supports the Spanish on this occasion.
I don't see what I have to do with any of this, considering you don't know thing one about me other than that I'm aware that Germany and France, the largest opponents of the Invasion of Iraq were two of the three largest importers of Iraqi oil.
Didn't they pay for it? Did they kill anybody? (Saddam is as good as any other dictator USA brought to power.) Do you know how many people are victims of the war for oil? The US had no right to invade a country that 1) Didn't suport the terrorists (NOBODY has proven otherwise, innocent until proven guilty). 2) They didn't threaten US or its territory. 3) They had not attempted to create weapons of mass distruction. (THAT was proven)
Furthermore, why you would laugh at the suffering of anyone, me, Americans, hell the moon people, is beyond me.
I am sorry, I didn't mean that. I grieve for the people, and for our boys that died there (Bulgaria did send a core to secure the area around the second major city. Then we decided it sucks and withdrew). Just wanted to point out that people are dying out there because of this. The US ways are no better than pure terrorism these days. Where is the UN they created? Why don't THEY find them guilty, then attack?
I support no terrorist. But terrorism is no excuse for such measures. And no, Saddam is no excuse either. Besides, invasions always have created more problems than they solved. And they will not discourage terrorists.
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It is offtopic.
What is wrong with: Hey, they have something we want. We'll make a deal. I prefer it before: Hey, let's invade them cuz my oil-drilling sponsor says so.
It is ALL about the oil.
You know, the terrorist attack in Madrid? What did they do? Withdraw. You know 9/11? What did they do? Invade. I am just waiting for the next thing that happen to you and, man, am I going to laugh. What goes around, comes around.
It is offtopic. Sorry.
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Yes, Europe IS different... The whole shitty caricatures weren't even funny... although the one with the heaven-running-out-of-virgins made me ROTFL.:)))
The bottom line is that you should be allowed to speak your opinion. If you are commiting social suicide, don't speak? What the hell do you want to speak for if nobody takes into account what you say? But giving to the government DRAFTS? Man, I will never go there...
If you think Europeans put up with the shit you watch on TV, then you are sadly mistaken, my friend. We don't. Not on our national television, at least. And Iraq? Is there somewhere someone so inevitably dumb who doesn't know you bastards did it for the petrol? I'll stick to Europe.
Imagine there are 30000 patents. (They are much more, alright) You issue the IPlod. THEN company Z applies to a patent and get it. They can still sue Peach for money, because with the patents you have no right of precedence. With copyright, you can proove that you did it independently (and did it first). Doesn't matter with patented ideas.
I own an ACER Aspire 1692WMLi. The wireless driver has firmware that is supplied by Intel, and in the license notice they explicitely say that they guarantee it meets government specifications only when you use their firmware (or approved by them, which is essentially the same).
If you use your lappi on an airplane and it doesn't meet government specifications, you are in big legal trouble. Assuming you land;).
So... I am sorry, but you cannot make the user responsible for a third party driver just because FSF feels it ain't right. It has to be a limit. Besides, making an up-to-date driver for ati cards is THEIR job.
The pour little bugger... Wasted funding is spending 400 000 000 000 dollars on a war for petrol that is yours anyway. Scientific achievments are NOT wasted fundings. Right now this is the only thing that the US government does for our civilization.
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The differnce is EXACTLY that I need to go to a machine shop and create the bloody thing.
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I am for patents where they are needed. Can you give me ONE example of an algorithm that was invented BECAUSE of the patents, not DESPITE?
Anyway, patents used to be about inventions, not ideas. Patenting ideas is stupid. You know, Edison patented the light bulb, not the idea of electric light? See the difference? By the way, first electric (usable) light was made by the russian inventor Nikolai Tesla. Tesla Coils from RedAlert anyone?
Just... the bastards should keep the precious IP from ideas. They ARE NOT PRIVATE PROPERTY, nor should they. If you want to preserve your ideas, don't tell them to anyone.
By the way, I read somewhere that EU (officials) are going to abolish patents. Way to go, guys.
IMHO there are things that should not be protectable. For inctance, ideas. There is nothing on earth that will change my mind. So, if I read a book, I can do with MY ideas that the book just INSPIRED. End of story. If the author describes a patented invention, the invention is patented and protected, not the IDEA behind it. Patents are for PHYSICAL devices, not thoughts.
No, really. They are. I am mathematican and I think it is just plain STUPID to have algorithms patented. So, I cannot think a certain way? Just because someone else did? And (with patents) even though I did it first???
From the MPAA's statement: "The bottom line is that the operators of the Pirate Bay and others like them are criminals who profit handsomely by facilitating the distribution of millions of copyrighted creative works and files protected under the law," said John G. Malcolm, Executive Vice President and Director of Worldwide Anti-Piracy Operations for the MPAA. "We applaud Swedish law enforcement for their effort to stop egregious copyright infringement on The Pirate Bay."
The only Criminals who profit handsomely by facilitating the distribution of millions of copyrighted creative works and files protected under the law in this story are the MPAA. Piratebay is a search engine. You have to break a law to be 'Criminal'
Yup. Two half-truths make one pretty full lie:).
Well, I think avoiding collisions with airborne buildings will be the easy part. :)
Behind every computer error exist at least two human errors, including the error of blaming the computer.
... which was promptly dismissed due to prior art of the Nazi and the current users of this copyright known as US breethes freely again.
Well... I will give them the first, say, 20 keys. But I have 30... they CANNOT PROVE I HAVE 30!!! They CANNOT SUSPECT I HAVE 30... Why would they beat me, then? If they want it so much, then I am doomed already, and it was not the encryption. The proposed law makes me give them the keys, but they cannot be shure I gave them all. End of story.
Well, whether software EULAs are enforcable is still under question. Recently on /. there was a post about a firm that resells software licenses. In UK it is perfectly legal, because of their law of the land, that cannot be denied because of a contract you make. And that is legal no matter what the EULA claims. It is kind of a lie, if you ask me. And, of course, the problem may arrise WHEN EULAs become enforcable (Which they are not up to date.)
IF they are the copiright holder of the code, they can release it under whatever license they want. IF they have received code that is GPL-ed, and the copyright holder is somebody else, it is illegal to use it, UNLESS you comply with it, that is to say you release your product GPL-ed. You can of course buy the code from the copyright holder. It is a complicated issue, but if you don't buy the code or a license for it that permits you to do what you want, you have to stop using it.
Yup, you're right. An educated user who doesn't go to web sites and, preferrably, keeps his computer locked in a bunker without electricity *might* be able to keep windows secure.
I think what the GP tried to say is that with tactics like this MS have been stomping all over competition in the IT industry during the last 10 years. Just think of how many times they have "unintentionaly" broken interoperability with Samba... Sorry it is about bashing MS, but ... don't you think they deserve it?
And yes, it is as simple as that.
And NO! MS don't lose market share, because if Dell must ship NONE of their PC-s with Windows, almost noone will buy them. So, actually Dell is loosing money ;). If that is not arm-twisting, I don't hell know what is.
And there *are* other possibilies. I, for one, use Gentoo and Gnome. And even when I use windows I use firefox and open office and Gaim for messaging. It is not that hard, really. Plus, it is cheap and can do what I want to. The ordinary user can use Linux too. Well, he'd have to do it with SuSE. It is also free, you know. And if you want support, you can buy it.
Why?
You are right. RIAA hates p2p. But ... you know that the customer is always right, ana there is a point in helping others. There are many quality movies that don't come from Hollywood, if you want an example, Munje (a serbian one), or GORA (a turkish). Besides, almost all of the bandwidth with torrents now is movies anyway.
But
So
Oh you ment the Spanish, yes, they did, though they continue to fight a war with Basque that has been going for decades, pacifists they aren't. You're also apparently trying to make the point that backing down is what people should do, I'm sure you've got some harsh words for the U.K., and Japan, who depsite being victims of a terrorist strike and repeated kidnappings have not backed down.
But they got out of Iraq. They fight their own war, and they fight it because terrorists threaten their own homes. And the UN supports the Spanish on this occasion.
I don't see what I have to do with any of this, considering you don't know thing one about me other than that I'm aware that Germany and France, the largest opponents of the Invasion of Iraq were two of the three largest importers of Iraqi oil.
Didn't they pay for it? Did they kill anybody? (Saddam is as good as any other dictator USA brought to power.) Do you know how many people are victims of the war for oil? The US had no right to invade a country that 1) Didn't suport the terrorists (NOBODY has proven otherwise, innocent until proven guilty). 2) They didn't threaten US or its territory. 3) They had not attempted to create weapons of mass distruction. (THAT was proven)
Furthermore, why you would laugh at the suffering of anyone, me, Americans, hell the moon people, is beyond me.
I am sorry, I didn't mean that. I grieve for the people, and for our boys that died there (Bulgaria did send a core to secure the area around the second major city. Then we decided it sucks and withdrew). Just wanted to point out that people are dying out there because of this. The US ways are no better than pure terrorism these days. Where is the UN they created? Why don't THEY find them guilty, then attack?
I support no terrorist. But terrorism is no excuse for such measures. And no, Saddam is no excuse either. Besides, invasions always have created more problems than they solved. And they will not discourage terrorists.
What is wrong with: Hey, they have something we want. We'll make a deal. I prefer it before: Hey, let's invade them cuz my oil-drilling sponsor says so.
It is ALL about the oil.
You know, the terrorist attack in Madrid? What did they do? Withdraw. You know 9/11? What did they do? Invade. I am just waiting for the next thing that happen to you and, man, am I going to laugh. What goes around, comes around.
It is offtopic. Sorry.
The bottom line is that you should be allowed to speak your opinion. If you are commiting social suicide, don't speak? What the hell do you want to speak for if nobody takes into account what you say? But giving to the government DRAFTS? Man, I will never go there...
If you think Europeans put up with the shit you watch on TV, then you are sadly mistaken, my friend. We don't. Not on our national television, at least. And Iraq? Is there somewhere someone so inevitably dumb who doesn't know you bastards did it for the petrol? I'll stick to Europe.
Imagine there are 30000 patents. (They are much more, alright) You issue the IPlod. THEN company Z applies to a patent and get it. They can still sue Peach for money, because with the patents you have no right of precedence. With copyright, you can proove that you did it independently (and did it first). Doesn't matter with patented ideas.
IT IS ALWAYS ABOUT CONTROL!!!
I own an ACER Aspire 1692WMLi. The wireless driver has firmware that is supplied by Intel, and in the license notice they explicitely say that they guarantee it meets government specifications only when you use their firmware (or approved by them, which is essentially the same).
You can read here:http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/README.ipw2200
If you use your lappi on an airplane and it doesn't meet government specifications, you are in big legal trouble. Assuming you land;).
So ... I am sorry, but you cannot make the user responsible for a third party driver just because FSF feels it ain't right. It has to be a limit. Besides, making an up-to-date driver for ati cards is THEIR job.
You cannot transmit by it, because you CANNOT modify it!!!
But, you can use it to XOR it with whatever you want to transmit. Voila!!!
The pour little bugger ... Wasted funding is spending 400 000 000 000 dollars on a war for petrol that is yours anyway. Scientific achievments are NOT wasted fundings. Right now this is the only thing that the US government does for our civilization.