No, trust me, it does disable it... that's why launching BeOS R5 from Windows doesn't have SMP but SMP magically works using a bootdisk to bypass Windows....
I read it on a BeOS site somewhere... I read too much, so I can't remember where....:)
It has something to do with how Win9x is set up for boxes with dual-processors. When a 9x finds more then one processor, it doesn't just ignore them, it disables them. This prevents Be from getting SMP going unless you reboot.
Unfortunatly, Microsoft aren't the type of company to listen if you were to go to them and ask for a change:)
Anyway, welcome to the wonderful world of BeOS. SMP should bump your performence up by almost 100%, not like most OS's. EVERY app you run will be threaded, so EVERY app will go on both processors. And, if my memory serves correctly, you can switch processors off on-th-fly to see the difference. Run the app called "Pulse", I think it's in Applications, it'll show useage too. You'll be able to crank those Seti blocks now:)
Where does it mention harware? Just because Darwin is open source doesn't mean Be can get techincal specifications on the hardware.
Next time, be informed you Apple freak. Anyway, the jump (they were pushed) to x86 is the best thing Be have done. It's increased their user base (especially with the Personal Edition) AND the people at Be think the Intel architecture is better (read the BeOS Bible, and note I didn't say PROCESSOR I said architecture as a whole).
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I personally install lilo on root of my Linux partition, then install BeOS's bootman into the MBR.
Go to a BeOS Termnial and type bootman to start the install....
Just to clarify (and I know its what the post said, just not crystal-clear, and there are alot of idiots around) Personal Edition does has SMP if you use the boot disk, or copy it onto a BFS partition as decribed at http://skippy.dhs.org.
Free BeOS R5, aka, BeOS 5 Personal Edition was release on the 28th of March. The "Personal Edition" is made up of an compressed disk image that "uncompresses" to 500meg (only around 200 is used).
The Personal Edition only works in conjuction with another OS (however this can be worked around, see http://skippy.dhs.org [sorry if you get/.ed skippy]). The OS's that can be used with the personal edition are Win9x and NT/2k, and Linux on the Intel platform. This is due to the fact that Apple will not supply the required hardware specifications to Be (not because of the NeXT over BeOS crap, just because Apple when with NeXT doesn't mean Be would ditch a platform's user base, because when your company is that small, you can't ditch users by choice).
This "BeOS for Linux" is the same OS that was released for Windows on the 28th. It DOES NOT have Linux, or Windows, running behind it. It is a full release of BeOS R5, only lacking a few commercial apps (just like some Linux distros). A belive the Linux "version" boots off a floppy just as the NT/2k version does.
If anyone wants any non-my-video/sound/net/isdn/winmodem-doesn't-work- inBeOS help, or BeOS info in general, feel happy to e-mail me at the above address (figure it out:)
*This is a repeat post. Bring back CmdrTaco and Hemos, their posts are usually OK...:)*
And American beer tastes like tap water. And they've got dumb accents and they're all descended from rebels, and they slaughtered thousands of innocent indians, or maybe that was the brits?
Oh, and the USA is just full of good news, eg: Kids shooting each other...
I don't think the people of the USA quite relise that the rest of the world FEARS becoming like the USA... whenever violent stuff happens here, and in many other places, it is compared to the USA...
Look at your own good news first before slagging off other countries about theirs....
I'd just quickly like to thank you for the XFree86 4 rpm's and the KDE 2 CVS rpm's.
Nice that someone at Red Hat not only will get rpm's out quickly (even if they are experimental) but will also support KDE2, even though the rest of Red Hat seems to have deserted it....
M$ licenced CE to Sega, however M$ didn't finish it before the Dreamcast hardware "froze". However some games, and the internet software, come with ti, however, its not a requirement, and most don't have it.
About this time 5-6 years ago, I though the same thing about Sony's startup in console gaming (not a chance). This time I'm keeping my mouth shut:)
But then again, Sony really REPLACED Sega's empty spot, but Sony will have no problems with PSX2 sales, and Nintendo's consoles always sell to the hardcore (and intelligent, and tasteful:) gamer, and they also have the Game Boy cash cow which has plenty of milk to go, so, do M$ have a space?
Because with Mario Party's "spin the joystick fast" mini-games, most idiot gamers (ie: ones that don't notice damaging their body, and press too hard) use their palms. not their fingertips. That explains palm-gloves.
The problem with the Mario Party games is the fact that in some of the mini-games the N64's analogue control stick needs to be quickly rotated. Some gamers go about this by using their palm on the top of the stick, instead of their thumb as ALL of Nintendo's documentation suggests.
I have played the game a bit, and I personnally use my thumb most of the time, however when I do use my palm, my IQ kicks in and i SIMPLY DON'T PRESS HARD! My younger cousins (ie: under 12) have problems with this, and sometimes get blisters. I have taught them to use their thumbs, or press softly... problem gone!
Companies should not be held accountable for product misuse. This is like blaiming soda bulbs for children's deaths (they are for drinks, not for rockets.) This sounds like a Geeks in Space awhile back:
Something like this (off the top of my head):
CowboyNeal: Once I was injured by a Microsoft Natural Keyboard CmdrTaco (I think): Dude, that doesn't count when your mom wraps it round your neck...
They then talk about the time he got his hair caught in an IntelliMouse:)
But, would this be M$'s? fault? Of course not! Why blaim Nintendo for stupidity, or a lack of parental supervision?
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No, trust me, it does disable it... that's why launching BeOS R5 from Windows doesn't have SMP but SMP magically works using a bootdisk to bypass Windows....
:)
I read it on a BeOS site somewhere... I read too much, so I can't remember where....
It has something to do with how Win9x is set up for boxes with dual-processors. When a 9x finds more then one processor, it doesn't just ignore them, it disables them. This prevents Be from getting SMP going unless you reboot.
:)
:)
Unfortunatly, Microsoft aren't the type of company to listen if you were to go to them and ask for a change
Anyway, welcome to the wonderful world of BeOS. SMP should bump your performence up by almost 100%, not like most OS's. EVERY app you run will be threaded, so EVERY app will go on both processors. And, if my memory serves correctly, you can switch processors off on-th-fly to see the difference. Run the app called "Pulse", I think it's in Applications, it'll show useage too. You'll be able to crank those Seti blocks now
I wish my box were SMP....
Where does it mention harware? Just because Darwin is open source doesn't mean Be can get techincal specifications on the hardware.
Next time, be informed you Apple freak. Anyway, the jump (they were pushed) to x86 is the best thing Be have done. It's increased their user base (especially with the Personal Edition) AND the people at Be think the Intel architecture is better (read the BeOS Bible, and note I didn't say PROCESSOR I said architecture as a whole).
I personally install lilo on root of my Linux partition, then install BeOS's bootman into the MBR.
Go to a BeOS Termnial and type bootman to start the install....
wrong...
Just to clarify (and I know its what the post said, just not crystal-clear, and there are alot of idiots around) Personal Edition does has SMP if you use the boot disk, or copy it onto a BFS partition as decribed at http://skippy.dhs.org.
:)
Just making sure
Warning - this will be marked as a troll :)
/.ed skippy]). The OS's that can be used with the personal edition are Win9x and NT/2k, and Linux on the Intel platform. This is due to the fact that Apple will not supply the required hardware specifications to Be (not because of the NeXT over BeOS crap, just because Apple when with NeXT doesn't mean Be would ditch a platform's user base, because when your company is that small, you can't ditch users by choice).
- inBeOS help, or BeOS info in general, feel happy to e-mail me at the above address (figure it out :)
:)*
Free BeOS R5, aka, BeOS 5 Personal Edition was release on the 28th of March. The "Personal Edition" is made up of an compressed disk image that "uncompresses" to 500meg (only around 200 is used).
The Personal Edition only works in conjuction with another OS (however this can be worked around, see http://skippy.dhs.org [sorry if you get
This "BeOS for Linux" is the same OS that was released for Windows on the 28th. It DOES NOT have Linux, or Windows, running behind it. It is a full release of BeOS R5, only lacking a few commercial apps (just like some Linux distros). A belive the Linux "version" boots off a floppy just as the NT/2k version does.
If anyone wants any non-my-video/sound/net/isdn/winmodem-doesn't-work
*This is a repeat post. Bring back CmdrTaco and Hemos, their posts are usually OK...
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I came here to say that... but you already had :)
/. announcement were SOOOO incorrect.... JUST TRY IT!
Get Free (beer, I know) BeOS 5 at http://free.be.com
Most of the comments posted at the
The Mesa people have always said NOT to call it MesaGL due to copywrite reasons... just call it Mesa.
I didn't think Red Hat would overlook somethibg like that....
I second that :)
The "logged in as root" message is actully a part of GMC, not the panel... If you run the panel without GMC it doesn't nag...
:)
I'm just being picky I guess
And Rasterman of Enlightenment fame is Australia too (well WAS :)...
:)
We have claim on the best (IMOH) WM too
And American beer tastes like tap water. And they've got dumb accents and they're all descended from rebels, and they slaughtered thousands of innocent indians, or maybe that was the brits?
There you go....
Oh, and the USA is just full of good news, eg: Kids shooting each other...
I don't think the people of the USA quite relise that the rest of the world FEARS becoming like the USA... whenever violent stuff happens here, and in many other places, it is compared to the USA...
Look at your own good news first before slagging off other countries about theirs....
I'd just quickly like to thank you for the XFree86 4 rpm's and the KDE 2 CVS rpm's.
:)
Nice that someone at Red Hat not only will get rpm's out quickly (even if they are experimental) but will also support KDE2, even though the rest of Red Hat seems to have deserted it....
Thanks!
(and the M$- Trek was funny
I accidentally just moderetated this down.... would someone PLEASE moderate this up....
M$ licenced CE to Sega, however M$ didn't finish it before the Dreamcast hardware "froze". However some games, and the internet software, come with ti, however, its not a requirement, and most don't have it.
No, the 2 are not very similer.
About this time 5-6 years ago, I though the same thing about Sony's startup in console gaming (not a chance). This time I'm keeping my mouth shut :)
:) gamer, and they also have the Game Boy cash cow which has plenty of milk to go, so, do M$ have a space?
But then again, Sony really REPLACED Sega's empty spot, but Sony will have no problems with PSX2 sales, and Nintendo's consoles always sell to the hardcore (and intelligent, and tasteful
And, who wants BSOD's on a big screen TV?
i use Dingo Blue.
Unlimited net acces $25
Local Calls 17.5c
Mobile 30c a min, no rental/connection fees
We still pay more though...
Because with Mario Party's "spin the joystick fast" mini-games, most idiot gamers (ie: ones that don't notice damaging their body, and press too hard) use their palms. not their fingertips. That explains palm-gloves.
Kids aren't playing alot, they use their palms insted of thumbs on the control stick, and press real hard, thus blister etc.
:)
I've NEVER had blisters, from the 2600 up to the N64 (and I played A HELL OF A LOT). Is everyone else's hands weak, or are mine real strong
The problem with the Mario Party games is the fact that in some of the mini-games the N64's analogue control stick needs to be quickly rotated. Some gamers go about this by using their palm on the top of the stick, instead of their thumb as ALL of Nintendo's documentation suggests.
:)
I have played the game a bit, and I personnally use my thumb most of the time, however when I do use my palm, my IQ kicks in and i SIMPLY DON'T PRESS HARD! My younger cousins (ie: under 12) have problems with this, and sometimes get blisters. I have taught them to use their thumbs, or press softly... problem gone!
Companies should not be held accountable for product misuse. This is like blaiming soda bulbs for children's deaths (they are for drinks, not for rockets.) This sounds like a Geeks in Space awhile back:
Something like this (off the top of my head):
CowboyNeal: Once I was injured by a Microsoft Natural Keyboard
CmdrTaco (I think): Dude, that doesn't count when your mom wraps it round your neck...
They then talk about the time he got his hair caught in an IntelliMouse
But, would this be M$'s? fault? Of course not! Why blaim Nintendo for stupidity, or a lack of parental supervision?
Stupidity should not be allowed to rule the day.
Actully, alot of countries still pay for local calls. Unfortunatly, here is Australia is one of them :(
Doesn't look to be free any time soon here either, with the market recently opened up, all the companies are making too much money....
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I'm Australian. I buy music online. It's cheaper, MUCH cheaper.
Quite honestly, Sanity/Mushroom can do whatever they want. Sure, it sucks, but i'm still gonna buy from overseas anyway...
Not EVERYONE reads Freshmeat. /. only annouces a few software releases anyway, so, who cares?
Anyway, the geek world's been slow for news lately...