This is wishful thinking by proponents of the "casual gamer" theory, but that isn't (and does not have to be) the whole market. It really doesn't have to be one or the other, both markets can exist. This is the whole "one console must win" mentality, but the game market is big enough to support both groups. If anything some of those expensive projects will likely be funded by the profits from that easy to band out casual game.
If the market goes completely casual with nothing but Wii style games I would stop gaming, I need more challenge than those types of game provide and I'll bet I'm not alone on this one.
shows this new demographics buys games, we can talk about a shift in the industry. Until then, it's just a reporter trying to predict an industry shift that shows no signs of actually happening yet. Say what you will, they might be massively more expensive to product, but hardcore gamers actually BUY hardcore games. I'm 40 and I have spent every free minute since last August trying to keep up with the great load of games for the 360 and PS3 and am currently splitting my time between multiplayer COD4 and Ratchet & Clank Future.
Where to start with this useless reply. Don't bother with PS2 and Wii comparisons, for many people like myself this is about hi-def gaming, so both of those can be ignored. Next, if you had issues with PS2 DVD playback you are an idiot, the PS3 is widely regarded as the best BD player on the market not, IT DOES UPSCALE DVDs and looks fine in an A/V rack. The point you miss is that it doesn't have to "win" to be a good product and appreciated by it's owners and future owners.
If I was going to post as much dumb shit as you just did, I would go AC too.
Agreed, BioShock was great but the level of intensity in parts of CoD4 were amazing and left me a lot more satisfied when the single player game was done. And the excellent mulitplayer was just icing on an already delicious cake that GlaDOS had made for me earlier in the fall.
Yea, three quarters of a million units in one month, steadily uptrending sales, more quality games arriving in the library and Warner Bros going BD exclusive this month. PS3 owners must be miserable.
Meanwhile I haven't had a stable connection on Xbox Live since the week before xmas, my console sounds like it's ready to die again and I have an almost identical slate of games to the PS3 coming up. I've been playing my 360 pretty much non-stop since July of 2007 but it isn't all roses and the upcoming line up isn't all that exciting. I finally broke down and bought COD4 for my PS3 just so I could get online and play when I felt like it.
at a local tech school, I had been dabbling and wanted someone to give me focussed information. Turns out the instructor had dabbled less than most of the people in the class so myself and another guy ended up running the afternoon portion of the session just to keep it from being a complete waste of time. Looking back, and considering what a noob-sauce I was, it was a complete waste of time with the exception that I learned to never take one day seminars on new technology ever again.
There is quite a bit of false premise here, but I'll give this a shot. I don't use OS X or Linux to be special or different, but because they are better operting systems. I make a healthy living supporting MS products and have for years, I've used MS products when it made sense and dodged them when it doesn't (like now with Vista). For many people Windows has always been "good enough" but that doesn't appear true any longer (and applies to more than just the OS, Office 2007, IIS, the Zune, etc...). That doesn't make Apple or OS X beyond criticism, although as others in this topic will mention, counting vulnerabilities has never made sense for Windows or OS X/Linux/Unix/etc...
I know you put a lot of work into what you feel is a clever post, but all you did was come across as the exact kind of poster you are describing. And your link is really irrelevant as it was Apple supporters (mostly) who over-played the outsider status, not Apple itself. What kind of half-baked value system do you employ when you decide who is cool by what OS they use? An OS is a tool and you should use what fits your needs best. I'm a media junky and like to dabble in editing, that makes OS X my best choice. If I were still a PC gamer, you can bet I would use Windows. But that doesn't excuse the long history of Windows security issues, and an article that spins a a year where Windows finally has fewer vulnerabilities than another OS as proof of progress is really just proof how many people don't get it. The bigger question is how those vulnerabilities were handled, from point of discovery to solution, and that is where MS always breaks down.
The Apple discussion boards are for user to user support, very little chance of any intelligent discourse happening by leaving the post up. Just look at this site for examples.
First you state "for the record" then you follow it up with "I imagine". While this might be a safe assumption, stating something for "the record" usually suggest actual knowledge instead of wishful thinking.
a Mac mini with Leopard. I can safely report there are NO similarities between Vista and Leopard, but there is a pretty clear similarity between this guy and Dvorak, both of whom work for PC Mag as contributors.
Too bad the Wii has shit for games, so it is more an overpriced dust collector than a game console. I don't want a console desgined to appeal to my grandparents... ever.
It is winning, soundly rapping the PS3 on the knuckles. The Wii isn't a next-gen console, it is proof that Nintendo plans to take what it learned in the handheld market and try to apply it to stationary gaming sytems.
thread is kind of a joke. I bought a Wii, played WiiSports for 20 minutes and didn't feel blown away. I brought my wife in from the other room, a self-professed non-gamer who complains all new games are too hard and have too many buttons. After a half hour with Wii Sports she asked "does this get any more interesting/difficult/fun?" and left the room. Of course she commandeered my 360 for 2 hours yesterday playing Frogger, so who knows. But the point is, the Wii is mostly a gimmick at this point with the same people trying to rationalize their purchase with the same lame arguments ( the Wii changes how we play games!, Who needs high def visual for a game?, I'll take gameplay over eye candy, etc... ad nauseum).
The Wii lacks good games and no matter how cheap it is and how long Nintendo perpetuates their artifical shortage, lack of a killer games will drive gamers to other platforms. Now the PS3 likely isn't that platform with an equally weak game selection, and hi-def movie format war that shows no signs of subsiding and a high price tag (in many peoples eyes). With a killer line up for the next few months, a decent library, an outstanding content purchase system and the definitive online gaming experience the 360 is what even casual gamers will be drawn too.
and hated it, unstable and buggy to say the least. Installed Vista Business x64 last week and I'm very satisfied. It won't boot Fedora 7 off my main machine, but many of the issues are being ironed out. It is different and requires some re-learning and discarding of old habits/notions, but it isn't the junk that so many make it out to be. Too many people on tech forums have begun to sound like old women to set in their ways to learn something different.
I'm guessing you haven't been near as AS/400 or DB2 support contract lately. Or tried to buy a replacement part and had your purchasing guy faint at the price. Just because they support open standards doesn't mean they don't put you over a different barrel.
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Vista's issues, if you want to pay a $50 premium for a 7+ year old OS to prove your hate, be my guest.
What version of COD4 did you get? Because mine looks nothing like Crysis? I enjoyed COD4 but that engine can't hold the Crysis engines jock.
My wife, your mom and your girlfriend would beg to differ =-)
If the market goes completely casual with nothing but Wii style games I would stop gaming, I need more challenge than those types of game provide and I'll bet I'm not alone on this one.
shows this new demographics buys games, we can talk about a shift in the industry. Until then, it's just a reporter trying to predict an industry shift that shows no signs of actually happening yet. Say what you will, they might be massively more expensive to product, but hardcore gamers actually BUY hardcore games. I'm 40 and I have spent every free minute since last August trying to keep up with the great load of games for the 360 and PS3 and am currently splitting my time between multiplayer COD4 and Ratchet & Clank Future.
If I was going to post as much dumb shit as you just did, I would go AC too.
Agreed, BioShock was great but the level of intensity in parts of CoD4 were amazing and left me a lot more satisfied when the single player game was done. And the excellent mulitplayer was just icing on an already delicious cake that GlaDOS had made for me earlier in the fall.
Meanwhile I haven't had a stable connection on Xbox Live since the week before xmas, my console sounds like it's ready to die again and I have an almost identical slate of games to the PS3 coming up. I've been playing my 360 pretty much non-stop since July of 2007 but it isn't all roses and the upcoming line up isn't all that exciting. I finally broke down and bought COD4 for my PS3 just so I could get online and play when I felt like it.
suckers most of you are, it is a joke. Can we institute some kind of basic Recognizing Satire and Sarcasm test for the Internet?
at a local tech school, I had been dabbling and wanted someone to give me focussed information. Turns out the instructor had dabbled less than most of the people in the class so myself and another guy ended up running the afternoon portion of the session just to keep it from being a complete waste of time. Looking back, and considering what a noob-sauce I was, it was a complete waste of time with the exception that I learned to never take one day seminars on new technology ever again.
I know you put a lot of work into what you feel is a clever post, but all you did was come across as the exact kind of poster you are describing. And your link is really irrelevant as it was Apple supporters (mostly) who over-played the outsider status, not Apple itself. What kind of half-baked value system do you employ when you decide who is cool by what OS they use? An OS is a tool and you should use what fits your needs best. I'm a media junky and like to dabble in editing, that makes OS X my best choice. If I were still a PC gamer, you can bet I would use Windows. But that doesn't excuse the long history of Windows security issues, and an article that spins a a year where Windows finally has fewer vulnerabilities than another OS as proof of progress is really just proof how many people don't get it. The bigger question is how those vulnerabilities were handled, from point of discovery to solution, and that is where MS always breaks down.
The Apple discussion boards are for user to user support, very little chance of any intelligent discourse happening by leaving the post up. Just look at this site for examples.
It was a fucking joke, can no one detect subtle jabs and cynical language on this site any longer?
Intel Inside, at least we don't support terrorisim....
First you state "for the record" then you follow it up with "I imagine". While this might be a safe assumption, stating something for "the record" usually suggest actual knowledge instead of wishful thinking.
hating their customers to merely treating them as an irritant. Leopard FTW!!1!1!!
a Mac mini with Leopard. I can safely report there are NO similarities between Vista and Leopard, but there is a pretty clear similarity between this guy and Dvorak, both of whom work for PC Mag as contributors.
Too bad the Wii has shit for games, so it is more an overpriced dust collector than a game console. I don't want a console desgined to appeal to my grandparents... ever.
Since the eye candy is off-loaded to the GPU it doesn't take CPU time, so it is officially safe to ignore the rest of your post as ill-informed.
Seriously, you are a retard...
It is winning, soundly rapping the PS3 on the knuckles. The Wii isn't a next-gen console, it is proof that Nintendo plans to take what it learned in the handheld market and try to apply it to stationary gaming sytems.
The Wii lacks good games and no matter how cheap it is and how long Nintendo perpetuates their artifical shortage, lack of a killer games will drive gamers to other platforms. Now the PS3 likely isn't that platform with an equally weak game selection, and hi-def movie format war that shows no signs of subsiding and a high price tag (in many peoples eyes). With a killer line up for the next few months, a decent library, an outstanding content purchase system and the definitive online gaming experience the 360 is what even casual gamers will be drawn too.
and hated it, unstable and buggy to say the least. Installed Vista Business x64 last week and I'm very satisfied. It won't boot Fedora 7 off my main machine, but many of the issues are being ironed out. It is different and requires some re-learning and discarding of old habits/notions, but it isn't the junk that so many make it out to be. Too many people on tech forums have begun to sound like old women to set in their ways to learn something different.
will slowly roll out a new desktop OS, this isn't news.
I'm guessing you haven't been near as AS/400 or DB2 support contract lately. Or tried to buy a replacement part and had your purchasing guy faint at the price. Just because they support open standards doesn't mean they don't put you over a different barrel.