Think of the numbers what you like I think you can say the customer satisfaction of the iphone 4 is remarkable. Even more if you consider the amount of bad press they got. For me the answer is, that apple successfully managed a transition of reception of their devices. Customers don't see iPhones as phone anymore but rather as mobile computing and app platforms. That means the phone is just another app ( although no doubt an important one) on the device. I really think this is the main point here: If the iPhone was still mainly a phone in the customers perception, the bad press regarding the reception problems ( or how you'd like to call it) would have for sure had a greater impact on customer satisfaction. But so it ist just ONE app that doesn't perform under certain circumstances.
for me - personally - it was kind of revolutionary that all the features that I had on my winmo but never used, because they where too hard to reach ( or not at all using just one hand ) I now enjoyed using on the iPhone. Dont look at the specs if you are looking for the revolution - but look at the user experience. The revolutionary feature for me was, that the whole os was build around the idea of the touch device. Not like they ported a desktop metapher on a smaler screen. Sounds little ? But nobody did it before with such success - one could argue that is a revolutionary feature.
And on the Flash thing: even it he said "iPad has not enough horsepower to run flash" you cant take it from the purely technical point of view: What he ment - i guess - is "iPad has not enough horsepower to run flash without risking the overall performance and user experience. But again : just my interpretation:-)
but a clever guy can always look through all the bullshit
again: can a clever guy not get a doubt if they REALLY build MAGIC into a tablet ?:-) come on:-)
and about this revolution thing: I am sure one could argue that.
I mean it has had really heavy impact in the market. And a revolution is an event that changes a given system dramatically. it is a point in time that you look back at as the point in time from that on certain things got different. Some people in the industry say this about the iPhone, isn't that right ?
And about the lies in ads: everytime anyone says "our product is the best" he basically lies - because a product is very very rarely the best in an absolute way ( for all customers, all needs, in any condition, under any circumstances )
I think it all depends how striktly you define the word "lie" -
And again: It is not just words that can be used to lie, but also the images in ads. Look at what certain ads suggest visually: You would not expect your car do things like in the ads, would you? ( would be a mgical car then;-) And thats why - i believe - one should not be disappointed, if the iPad has no truely magical powers.
But as I said: people define Lies differently... So as everything: at the end of it all it comes down to the question of taste:-)
hmmm. hate to destroy illusions here... But you should be aware of the fact, that marketing ist mostly... well lying.
You might notice the fact that despite the electric irons in commercials are doing so - they not exactly do the ironing by them selves in real life.
And if you buy a cleanser you should not expect a bold guy to summon and do all the cleaning for you - like the commercials show.
And just one more question: did you really - I mean really, really - believe that the apple engineers build real - harry potter like - magic into the tablet ? Then of course I understand your frustration. And actually... this sounds a bit cute to me *g*
isnt it true that only the "book" section is affected ?
I read somewhere, that the sell numbers of the apps in that section are so low, that you could easily manipulate them with a few hundrets buys
I think what he ment was, that the "touch paradigm" does not work with mouse overs.
shure you can simulate a "point and click paradigm" with the touchdisplay - but I think this is not a good way to go.
the sadest thing about this is probably:
- for BP it is now the super-gau - cant get any worse
- since this is so, their first priority is certainly not to close the leak as fast as possible, but to gain as much kowhow from the incident while proclaiming to try to close it as fast as possible
- that knowledge is something nobody else in the industry will have to that extend - so: if you have a similar problem in the future... whom will you ask ( and pay ) to fix it ?:BP
- so : this disaster (and the related costs ) will be seen as an invesment into a business unit that brings that "disaster knowhow" to market.
- all the media coveradge - that it is the greatest polution of all times and such - will be turned aroung by BP marketing into "there was the greates pollution of all times - and we fixed it"
"Apple senior vice president of superlatives" They need one for the next iPad/iPhone and such. I think all superlatives and "oh my god is this cool"-words are used up. I think their next product will be a wordbook that contains the words necessary to glorify the next but one product:-) Anyway - I have to leave now - I am on my way camping for the iPhone - hope to be the first in line...
i was once thinking about noice cancelling for voice driven multi-media-centers. The problem is, that the sound of - say - the movie playing is disturbing the voice command you might give and so interferes with the recognition engine. But: since the mediacenter-pc "knows" what sound he is playing at the moment he can just subtract it from the mic input and what should - theoretically- be left is the voice command. well - anyway - I had to tell somebody - nevermind:-)
exactly what I think.
If the designers say they want to stick to flash - they are thinking of the development tools - not the underlying technology.
Let them have the tools but add the export capability for HTML5 etc.
I dont see another way for adobe in this game
totally agree - I am still bored because of the many "prediction" regarding the iPad. I really dont want to start this all over with the next iPhone - flodding every techforum there is. I am not that into hardware-"facts" anyway - since the magic will be in the software - or nowhere.
but isn't saying "the guy behind UO" is like saying "Bill Gates, the guy behind Windows 3.11" (ok,ok not the best parallel, but you get the point) ? I mean his role is much bigger than just UO. Didn't Ultima start the whole fantasy role playing thing on computers ?
I think it is like with all new technologies that settel in the consumer market. First, there are the early adopters who can - an take pride in the fact that they can - manipulate and fix those technologies. As that technology becomes more common - more and more users are a) not willing to invest a huge amount of time to be able to use this technology correctly and b) dont want to rely an an early adopter to do so. As the technology further matures, the neccessety - and with it the possibility - to maipulate and fix this technology by yourself disappears. The early adopters loose the possibility of beeing more than just "dumb users" and feel caged because that technology has been kind of locked down. But for the users that have by now become the majority it is most convenient to use it without having to get into it too deeply. The early adopters find a niche (product ) where they still can test their technical skills on and the overall consumer is just happy this easy-to-use piece of technology exists. That said: - assuring no app can do bad things through strict quality controll - strict guidelines for userinterface design - limit external interfaces and provide a standard way of data exchange sounds to me like being a good thing for serving the average user.
Dont you agree that your arguments are retrospective ? Could one imaginge a discussion on Slashdot in a hundred years where one states: "Jetpacks saved our society from transportion breakdown. Groundbased ( i.e. 2 dimensional ) travel could no longer provide the space neccessary for all the individual travel. With the extension of individual travel into the third dimension, we gained the space we needed to carry on. If you look back a hundred years or so... it is grotesc imagening all those people in there cars spending half of their holidays or workdays in traffic jams... Additionaly we had done great and nearly unreparable damage to our environment building all those roads and railroads and such. All those thing got significantly better as soon as jetpacks became a common thing " Just an idea:-)
damn - i cannot find the quote, but a similar thing was said about railroads back in 18hundredsomething The steam, the noise, the lack of comfort...:-)
On top of that, $86k for 30 minutes of lumbering along uncomfortably under some stinking and noisy contraption hardly seems attractive, unless you want to show off that you are rich enough to not care that you look a right twit.
I think that is the sad point and perfidity of it: to this point in time, there is no obvious evil company or government that forces us to hand over our private data. They do not invade our houses anymore, or intercept our mails without us knowing.
No: this days they offer us a big deal of convenience and comfort - just for that little bit of information about us. And if you are not too deep into it you might speak to yourself: why not ? no big deal.
This for sure is a reason why the law-situation today kind of misses the point. The whole background of privacy protection was to protect you from evil companies and governments that are trying to steal your private data one way or the other. It is very hard to justify laws against people giving up their privacy on free will ( more or less ) Not that most of the politicians seem to understand the topic.
A few weeks ago I had an interesting discussion with a guy who is in that kind of business - acquiring and consolidating data from different sources to provide them to other companies for marketing purposes. And I was really blown away by what these guys are doing. I thought I was paranoid - but I still have been magnitudes to naive I think. btw: It may not even save you to not give any of your data away. Might be enough to live in the neibourhood of people who do - you will be thrown into the same bag - and treated acordingly.
..a website where the unfullfilled hopes and prognosis regarding the Apple tablet are collected ?
I want to post that link, when rumors about an iCar, an iHouse, or an iWife come up:-)
I totally agree. I will definitely get one for my mom.
No more "why is windows doing this" no more "explain me outlook".
It pretty much does everything my mom - and I believe most of the 50+ generation - does with a "computer thing".
So I agree: it is not for us - but mostly for our parents ( ok - I will get one for me too, anyway).
(smart move btw: first the iPod for the teens, then the iPhone for the next generation and now the iPad - that many of us will be buying for our parents... )
maybe it's just me - but I am bored of people who are trying to tell me, how the world will look like in 10 or 20 or 50 years.
I mean - it is always fun to play the "what will be" game - but I can't quite remember on of those prognosis that actually came out to be true true...
ok, might be a point. But I see a major difference here: speaking and writing english takes place between communication partners that are more or less compatible regarding hardware ( methods of perception, etc ) and software ( cultural Background, social concepts ) and so on. The interaction between computers and men is somehow different. see, we took a method of communication that is very close to the one we use to communicate with each other ( more or less english ) and are using it to communicate with a machine that is by no means similar to us. Ok, we made those machines "understand" the english-like texts we enter - but still I tend to believe, that if two completely different partners want to communicate, the most efficient way will not be a method that is more or less identical to the method that one of the partners is using to communicate with his own kind. But on the other hand; who knows:-)
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Think of the numbers what you like
I think you can say the customer satisfaction of the iphone 4 is remarkable.
Even more if you consider the amount of bad press they got.
For me the answer is, that apple successfully managed a transition of reception of their devices.
Customers don't see iPhones as phone anymore but rather as mobile computing and app platforms.
That means the phone is just another app ( although no doubt an important one) on the device.
I really think this is the main point here:
If the iPhone was still mainly a phone in the customers perception, the bad press regarding the reception problems ( or how you'd like to call it) would have for sure had a greater impact on customer satisfaction.
But so it ist just ONE app that doesn't perform under certain circumstances.
for me - personally - it was kind of revolutionary that all the features that I had on my winmo but never used, because they where too hard to reach ( or not at all using just one hand ) I now enjoyed using on the iPhone.
Dont look at the specs if you are looking for the revolution - but look at the user experience. The revolutionary feature for me was, that the whole os was build around the idea of the touch device. Not like they ported a desktop metapher on a smaler screen.
Sounds little ? But nobody did it before with such success - one could argue that is a revolutionary feature.
And on the Flash thing: :-)
even it he said "iPad has not enough horsepower to run flash" you cant take it from the purely technical point of view:
What he ment - i guess - is "iPad has not enough horsepower to run flash without risking the overall performance and user experience. But again : just my interpretation
but a clever guy can always look through all the bullshit
again: can a clever guy not get a doubt if they REALLY build MAGIC into a tablet ? :-) come on :-)
and about this revolution thing: I am sure one could argue that.
I mean it has had really heavy impact in the market.
And a revolution is an event that changes a given system dramatically. it is a point in time that you look back at as the point in time from that on certain things got different.
Some people in the industry say this about the iPhone, isn't that right ?
And about the lies in ads: everytime anyone says "our product is the best" he basically lies - because a product is very very rarely the best in an absolute way ( for all customers, all needs, in any condition, under any circumstances )
I think it all depends how striktly you define the word "lie" -
And again: ;-)
It is not just words that can be used to lie, but also the images in ads. Look at what certain ads suggest visually:
You would not expect your car do things like in the ads, would you? ( would be a mgical car then
And thats why - i believe - one should not be disappointed, if the iPad has no truely magical powers.
But as I said: people define Lies differently... :-)
So as everything: at the end of it all it comes down to the question of taste
hmmm. hate to destroy illusions here...
But you should be aware of the fact, that marketing ist mostly... well lying.
You might notice the fact that despite the electric irons in commercials are doing so - they not exactly do the ironing by them selves in real life.
And if you buy a cleanser you should not expect a bold guy to summon and do all the cleaning for you - like the commercials show.
And just one more question: did you really - I mean really, really - believe that the apple engineers build real - harry potter like - magic into the tablet ? Then of course I understand your frustration. And actually... this sounds a bit cute to me *g*
isnt it true that only the "book" section is affected ? I read somewhere, that the sell numbers of the apps in that section are so low, that you could easily manipulate them with a few hundrets buys
I think what he ment was, that the "touch paradigm" does not work with mouse overs. shure you can simulate a "point and click paradigm" with the touchdisplay - but I think this is not a good way to go.
when this thing happens just after I finally got my iPad - just to have it rendered useless immediately... I will be _very_ pissed
the sadest thing about this is probably: - for BP it is now the super-gau - cant get any worse - since this is so, their first priority is certainly not to close the leak as fast as possible, but to gain as much kowhow from the incident while proclaiming to try to close it as fast as possible - that knowledge is something nobody else in the industry will have to that extend - so: if you have a similar problem in the future... whom will you ask ( and pay ) to fix it ? :BP
- so : this disaster (and the related costs ) will be seen as an invesment into a business unit that brings that "disaster knowhow" to market.
- all the media coveradge - that it is the greatest polution of all times and such - will be turned aroung by BP marketing into "there was the greates pollution of all times - and we fixed it"
"Apple senior vice president of superlatives" :-)
They need one for the next iPad/iPhone and such.
I think all superlatives and "oh my god is this cool"-words are used up.
I think their next product will be a wordbook that contains the words necessary to glorify the next but one product
Anyway - I have to leave now - I am on my way camping for the iPhone - hope to be the first in line...
i was once thinking about noice cancelling for voice driven multi-media-centers. :-)
The problem is, that the sound of - say - the movie playing is disturbing the voice command you might give and so interferes with the recognition engine.
But: since the mediacenter-pc "knows" what sound he is playing at the moment he can just subtract it from the mic input and what should - theoretically- be left is the voice command.
well - anyway - I had to tell somebody - nevermind
exactly what I think. If the designers say they want to stick to flash - they are thinking of the development tools - not the underlying technology. Let them have the tools but add the export capability for HTML5 etc. I dont see another way for adobe in this game
soooo. you basically say you wait foreever or build your own one, right ?
totally agree - I am still bored because of the many "prediction" regarding the iPad.
I really dont want to start this all over with the next iPhone - flodding every techforum there is.
I am not that into hardware-"facts" anyway - since the magic will be in the software - or nowhere.
I quit yesterday :-(
but isn't saying "the guy behind UO" is like saying "Bill Gates, the guy behind Windows 3.11" (ok,ok not the best parallel, but you get the point) ?
I mean his role is much bigger than just UO. Didn't Ultima start the whole fantasy role playing thing on computers ?
do you have reason to believe this ectually helps, or are you just kidding ?
I think it is like with all new technologies that settel in the consumer market.
First, there are the early adopters who can - an take pride in the fact that they can - manipulate and fix those technologies.
As that technology becomes more common - more and more users are
a) not willing to invest a huge amount of time to be able to use this technology correctly and
b) dont want to rely an an early adopter to do so.
As the technology further matures, the neccessety - and with it the possibility - to maipulate and fix this technology by yourself disappears.
The early adopters loose the possibility of beeing more than just "dumb users" and feel caged because that technology has been kind of locked down.
But for the users that have by now become the majority it is most convenient to use it without having to get into it too deeply.
The early adopters find a niche (product ) where they still can test their technical skills on and the overall consumer is just happy this easy-to-use piece of technology exists.
That said:
- assuring no app can do bad things through strict quality controll
- strict guidelines for userinterface design
- limit external interfaces and provide a standard way of data exchange
sounds to me like being a good thing for serving the average user.
Dont you agree that your arguments are retrospective ? :-)
Could one imaginge a discussion on Slashdot in a hundred years where one states:
"Jetpacks saved our society from transportion breakdown.
Groundbased ( i.e. 2 dimensional ) travel could no longer provide the space neccessary for all the individual travel.
With the extension of individual travel into the third dimension, we gained the space we needed to carry on.
If you look back a hundred years or so... it is grotesc imagening all those people in there cars spending half of their holidays or workdays in traffic jams...
Additionaly we had done great and nearly unreparable damage to our environment building all those roads and railroads and such.
All those thing got significantly better as soon as jetpacks became a common thing "
Just an idea
damn - i cannot find the quote, but a similar thing was said about railroads back in 18hundredsomething :-)
The steam, the noise, the lack of comfort...
On top of that, $86k for 30 minutes of lumbering along uncomfortably under some stinking and noisy contraption hardly seems attractive, unless you want to show off that you are rich enough to not care that you look a right twit.
I think that is the sad point and perfidity of it:
to this point in time, there is no obvious evil company or government that forces us to hand over our private data.
They do not invade our houses anymore, or intercept our mails without us knowing.
No: this days they offer us a big deal of convenience and comfort - just for that little bit of information about us.
And if you are not too deep into it you might speak to yourself: why not ? no big deal.
This for sure is a reason why the law-situation today kind of misses the point. The whole background of privacy protection was to protect you from evil companies and governments that are trying to steal your private data one way or the other. It is very hard to justify laws against people giving up their privacy on free will ( more or less )
Not that most of the politicians seem to understand the topic.
A few weeks ago I had an interesting discussion with a guy who is in that kind of business - acquiring and consolidating data from different sources to provide them to other companies for marketing purposes. And I was really blown away by what these guys are doing. I thought I was paranoid - but I still have been magnitudes to naive I think.
btw: It may not even save you to not give any of your data away. Might be enough to live in the neibourhood of people who do - you will be thrown into the same bag - and treated acordingly.
And I, for one, welcome... and so forth Did anzbody mention it by now ?
..a website where the unfullfilled hopes and prognosis regarding the Apple tablet are collected ? I want to post that link, when rumors about an iCar, an iHouse, or an iWife come up :-)
I totally agree. I will definitely get one for my mom. No more "why is windows doing this" no more "explain me outlook". It pretty much does everything my mom - and I believe most of the 50+ generation - does with a "computer thing". So I agree: it is not for us - but mostly for our parents ( ok - I will get one for me too, anyway). (smart move btw: first the iPod for the teens, then the iPhone for the next generation and now the iPad - that many of us will be buying for our parents... )
maybe it's just me - but I am bored of people who are trying to tell me, how the world will look like in 10 or 20 or 50 years. I mean - it is always fun to play the "what will be" game - but I can't quite remember on of those prognosis that actually came out to be true true...
ok, might be a point. But I see a major difference here: :-)
speaking and writing english takes place between communication partners that are more or less compatible regarding hardware ( methods of perception, etc ) and software ( cultural Background, social concepts ) and so on.
The interaction between computers and men is somehow different.
see, we took a method of communication that is very close to the one we use to communicate with each other ( more or less english ) and are using it to communicate with a machine that is by no means similar to us.
Ok, we made those machines "understand" the english-like texts we enter - but still I tend to believe, that if two completely different partners want to communicate, the most efficient way will not be a method that is more or less identical to the method that one of the partners is using to communicate with his own kind.
But on the other hand; who knows