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Next iPhone — Front-Facing Camera, A4 Processor
As a quarter million pre-orderers wait for their iPad on Saturday, the millions of iPhone users can start speculating in earnest about the next gen iPhone. The rumors start by saying "It will be dubbed the 'iPhone HD' and will include a double resolution display, a front facing camera, multitasking support, and the blazing A4 processor."
...because ?
How HD can you get on an iPhone ?
But will it include minor expectations like a choice in carriers, or a bloody Flash plugin? Fix those before you add gadgets.
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.... how Apple always manages to thrive upon rumors instead of upon "classical" ads. You may call such rumors "hypes", and they prolly are. Still, they do constitute remarkable publicity feats.
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And this is different from the 10000 other rumors...because ?
Cause it's rumors that are occurring less than a week before the iPad - DUH!
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So taking pictures of yourself is more important than having a prevew of what you are taking a picture of so it will come out level and properly framed? I fear for the future of photos...
Don't worry, the other 10000 rumors will all get their own Slashdot articles too.
Is Apple product speculation really that interesting to people? Maybe it's fun to have that initial thought on what emerging tech could be, but Apple speculation quickly escalates into a never-ending stream of annoyance that builds expectations up to an unachievable level.
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Multi-tasking is a bad idea. Most users are not computer professionals.
The iPhone's refusal to adopt Flash, coupled with its huge popularity, is among the greatest forces driving development away from Flash and towards alternate platforms. This is a good thing.
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I don't think Apple devices will ever support flash.
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Adobe can't code their way out of a wet paper bag unless it's x86 Windows. So honest to $deity I hope not.
If there's one thing history teaches about rumors regarding upcoming Apple products, it's that nobody talking knows anything. If anyone gets any Apple-product prediction right it's because enough monkeys pounding on typewriters will eventually write Shakespeare.
Remember how the iPad was supposed to have a front-facing camera, an awesome chess game, full 1080p HD video, solar charging, biometric security, etc. - and wasn't going to just be a fat iPod Touch? Yeah.
Sure the next iPhone will be an improvement. Duh. Anything more than that is pure rampant rabid speculation.
Can we get a "-1 Wrong" moderation option?
Back just before the iPhone launch. Unfortunately my friend in 'the city' informed me that the analysts at his place didn't think it would take off and I didn't invest.
Dumbass!
I hope they were fired.
The way things are going the holy steve could wipe his butt on each iPad and still they'd sell like holy relics and the stock would rocket.
I present to you, the iPad Nano!
Good Grief. I have a first-gen iPhone, and will consider upgrading when the next version comes out. So you can expect that I'm excited about the possible specs on. But, really, the linked article is a ridiculous i-gasm. If you are going to report this stuff, stick to the original sources, rather than linking to second-hand articles that lace their copy with unabashed fanboy-ism. If you want color commentary along with your tech news, check out the relevant post on Engadget.
What actually kicked off this latest wave of speculation was an an article from the Wall Street Journal, stating that Apple is developing a CDMA version of the iphone for Verizon. The WSJ is a fairly reputable source that wouldn't print unless they had some solid evidence, so this should be interpreted as a bit more than a typical rumor.
But will it include minor expectations like a choice in carriers, or a bloody Flash plugin? Fix those before you add gadgets.
I've seen rumors that a Verizon iPhone is on the way...
But, as far as Flash goes, I'd rather they didn't support it.
Sure, Flash has its place... But it's been horribly abused and overused for years. Platforms like the iPhone, and the advent of HTML5, have the opportunity to push Flash back where it belongs. I'd love to see that happen.
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And then, 24 hours later, they will all get their dupe too. And then another 24 hours later half of those will get a second dupe because the posters don't even read Slashdot themselves.
is there some reason why a camera cannot be flexible to face whatever direction the user wants?
A rotating camera inside a transparent sphere or maybe a system of mirrors and a software switch between directions?
Not that I care about an iphone or a camera on a mobile, it's just a strange 'improvement'.
You can't handle the truth.
Flash needs to die, and Apple is pushing web standards as the alternative (as opposed to Microsoft who would also like to see Flash die but only to replace it with Silverlight).
No Flash on extremely popular devices is a good thin. It forces people to stop using Flash where there's no reason to use it, such as navigation and video.
With the iPad and probably a new iPhone leveraging much more computing power, I can imagine an iPhone 4.0 software that will also make the current iPhones run like dogs, and I would not be surprised to see such an OS by the end of this year. This would not be so much of an issue but most of us sign two year contracts, but the OS seems to make hardware obsolete in 18 months. I sure wish that Apple would let us pay 50 dollars for to reduce the contract terms to one year. That is what I used to with phones.
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But will it include minor expectations like a choice in carriers,
It does have a choice in carriers outside the US. The US is special, with much more carrier lock-in - a big reason being that the carriers use different standards. So I wouldn't be surprised if the ability to choose Verizon is far off - the mobile phone market just doesn't work as well in the US as elsewhere.
If this is true then it's really no suprise, particularly regarding the screen resolution.
Many pointed out the issue of having to cater to different screen sizes with Android and touted the iPhone as a superior platform for development because it's hardware is static.
I've long said that it's not realistically going to stay that way, with the iPhone you already have differences between existing models that you must cater too in terms of performance and certain features. It's not suprising that resolution is now something you will also have to deal with, because the iPhone was already running at half the resolution of the likes of the Nexus One.
Of course, you might say that Apple will automatically scale apps, which is an option, but that just means the apps wont be making any use of the higher resolution.
It'll be interesting to see how Apple handles this, and with the iPad coming too, developers for Apple's platform are going to have to cater to differences just as with Android, and just as developers of desktop apps have always had to.
Realistically it could only ever be a pipe dream to keep the hardware static, else the phone would simply get dated and no other platforms based on the technology (i.e. the iPad) could ever be released. If this is true it's really a vindication of the fact that if you want your platform to advance, and stay relevant, there's no hiding behind the supposed advantage of having a static hardware platform for the sake of easier development. Developers are going to have to work and deal with differences over time regardless whether they're developing for Windows, Android or the iPhone.
Do any iPhone developers here know whether this means existing applications might have to be updated to support different resolutions? It'll be a massive job if so, so I'm guessing by default the new iPhone will indeed just scale graphics or something to start with unless an application specifically handles differing resolutions?
I have had an iphone for some time and it was one of the worst purchases I ever made. Regardless, I am sure most of us have heard great rumors surrounding new iPhone generations in the past. The reality is that Apple is too consumed with the "Sony Process"(i.e. small incremental improvements). Really, anyone with an iPhone 3G or 3G S should wait another generation or two before they upgrade. Chances are we might see a better camera, with an extremely low chance of a flash for said camera, along with a slightly faster processor and a slightly better display.
As with any of us Technophiles, I really enjoy being on the "bleeding edge"(which the iPhone is not on), but I also like to tinker with any currently used technology. After playing with the iPhone for a while, I am ready to run back to the edge.
What kind of sick thinking is to allow multitasking on a phone but not on a tablet computer .
By doing so Apple can later release iPad version 2.0. It will have same features otherwise but you can finally multitask. $$$ for Apple when every fanboy buys the "improved" device again.
Did you forget that Photoshop is foremost a Mac product?
Can I install my software without Apple's permission yet?
Can I assign my songs directly as ringtones yet?
Can I add my own audio and video codecs yet?
Can I take my phone to another carrier without Apple trying to brick my phone with a firmware update yet?
Can I multitask yet?
Can I use Flash (and watch Hulu) yet?
Yep, I think my n900 is still the phone for nerds. I have a philosophical issue with Apple telling me what i can and can't do with hardware I purchased, when there is no technical reason I cannot do it. I sacrifice a little convenience (the huge app store, Apple's admittedly-slick interface) for my freedom.
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I wonder what an A4 processor is...
In the rest of the world, A4 is the standard size of a sheet of paper for printing
In chess A4 is the square that white would move his Kings Rooks Pawn to if he moved it two squres forward.
THe A4 Skyhawk was a small fighter bomger designed for the navy in the 1950's.It was still in service during the Vietnam war.
The A4 is a highway in the UK.
With Android selling at a rate of 22 million phones a year and doubling its marketshare every quarter the Apple fans in the media and blog world are in full scale panic mode that Apple will come up something that can compete with the entire cellphone industry putting out incredible after incredible new Android phone.
They should be scared. My old iPhone looks like a cheap tacky piece of junk next to my incredible Nexus One.
Its not double resolution it is quadruple resolution. Double the pixels in each direction is 4x the number of pixels total.
And makes it a royal pain in the ass for people when there is a reason to use it, like live streaming video.
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Will it have little kittens and ponies too?! Oh yeah, ponies! I want ponies! Black ones and polka-dotted ones, and pink ones too!
Oh it seems Apple finally got to 90's computing.
Except that the iPhone already supported multitasking and all of Apple's own apps were able to run in the background. The change is only for third-party apps.
Didn't all the Apple fanboys say that not having multitasking to eat out battery life was better?
In many cases, yes, it is better that third-party apps couldn't run in the background. Considering how poor of quality many third-party iPhone apps are, it's a great thing that they couldn't sit around in the background eating up battery.
And that it made things simpler?
How does it not make things simpler?
Revolutionary. My HTC phones have had such since like early 2000.
Because it's being marketed as being revolutionary? Oh wait....
And as always the hatebois have arrived before the fanbois, and are more annoying and unpleasant, and add even less to the discussion. What kind of a person rushes in even before the fans, just to spread nastiness? Jesus.
Given that they've barely changed the hardware in the last couple of iterations, I see no reason to suspect that they'll do anything different.
Before the 3GS came out, everyone went mad imagining what kind of new stuff it had and ended up being disappointed. Yet, if they'd looked at past performance, they should have realised they were being hopelessly optimistic.
My prediction is that there will obviously be new software but the hardware will remain largely unchanged with the exception being that they'll change to HSDPA (or maybe even HSUPA).
And nothing else.
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Adobe can't code their way out of a wet paper bag unless it's x86 Windows. So honest to $deity I hope not.
What? Adobe can't code on Windows, either. There was a time when they could do it on the Mac, but that ended about the time System 7 came out.
If you look at what flash does, and compare it to some other similar system, you'll find it doesn't do much and it's horribly inefficient at what it does. There are loads of game engines which have been melded with a scripting engine which do the same kind of stuff at much higher levels of performance, probably mostly because they're not reinventing wheels. They're using standard libraries for drawing and they're using existing scripting engines like Lua and Python, meaning they don't have to try to make an efficient, optimized scripting engine either. If Adobe had gone with one of these languages instead of inventing their own, the world would be a better place today. Or at least, the web would.
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That's a bit of stretch, especially since the iPhone currently doesn't support any of the alternatives to Flash either (Silverlight, Java, HTML5).
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It's "hear, hear".
Not that the non-Apple-prohibition on multitasking is really useful, but that sequence of steps can be shortened - the apps save state when the home button is pressed (or really should - the apple ones like sms, email etc do), so step 1 and 2 are the same. Locate app and open app can be combined - if it's on the same screen then you just need to touch, else swipe and touch.
8 and 9 are not needed - the app opens to where it was when you pressed the home button in step 1.
Paste.
Step 11 can be removed with careful copying - you just added it to pad the list.
I want the ability to enable multitasking for non-Apple apps as much as the next person, but the iPhone UI was designed from the outset to not need it - it would just be useful to have. Sort of like the one button mouse on OS X - you can do everything in the OS with the left mouse button *only*, but adding the context click with the right mouse button adds usefulness. It's not a requirement. (and yes, I have a Microsoft 2 button mouse with scrollwheel on my iMac, the computer police can come and arrest me any time).
No Flash on extremely popular devices is a good thin. It forces people to stop using Flash where there's no reason to use it, such as navigation and video.
you dont even need an iphone type device for that. A year and a half back i worked on a webshop, and the program manager had me make a jpg/javascript fall back for the flash menu because google analytics showed that 1% of the visitors didnt have flash. When the main goal of your website is getting people in, and getting them to spend money, management will have programmers bending over backwards to support even IE 5.0 if they think they will make an extra buck.
Granted, the only reason the navigation on that site was simple, and flash was only used to make things flashy...
People, what a bunch of bastards
Oh it seems Apple finally got to 90's computing. Didn't all the Apple fanboys say that not having multitasking to eat out battery life was better? And that it made things simpler? Are you still having that opinion, or do you just follow what Steve Jobs says again?
Ah, more psychotic frothing from TripMasterFucktard. Tell me, what is one of the most popular apps on multi tasking phones? Memory cleanup programs. But wait, isn't multi tasking the epitome, the nirvana of smartphone users?
Don't let facts get in the way of your senseless blather. Carry on. Fucktard.
Tell me, what is one of the most popular apps on multi tasking phones? Memory cleanup programs.
Then why haven't I needed such program with Symbian (apart from the early 2000 phones) nor Windows Mobile?
Besides, why would you need a memory cleanup program? You can just close the program that is taking too much memory.
That is not a reason to use Flash. Would banning Hummers would make it a 'royal pain in the ass' when you need to pick your kids up from school?
Wow, with a processor 297mm X 210mm that thing sure will be powerful. I'm not sure how I'll fit it in my pocket though. Does it fold like paper too?
And yet lags behind in features on the MAC platform (GPU acceleration, 64-bit).
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I'm impressed by its resolution, which is purported to be 960 x 640, according to engadget: http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/wsj-apple-developing-new-iphone-plus-another-for-verizon/
That's a step-up from the rest of the pack, including the "super-phone" EVO 4G. I'm wondering if this also means a step-up in overall screen size.
Regardless of where you fall in the iPhone fan/hate camp, you have to admit competition breeds excellence.
Now if only we could do something about the locked-in phones, 2 year contracts, "subsidized" loan plans, and uncompetitive wireless market in the US.
Android for example does not allow a memory cleanup program to close other programs (due to security constraints - each application is separated from others). You need root for this...
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And yet lags behind in features on the MAC platform (GPU acceleration, 64-bit).
That's because Apple doesn't give access to corresponding API's.
When people talk about smart phones, they throw around a lot of terms. A4 is here. The 3GS and the Nokia N900 have an A8. I've heard people say a lot about Snapdragon from Qualcomm.
Does anybody have a table of how these perform against each other? All I've seen is clock frequencies being posted, which might be a poor measurement.
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1) save your document
2) close app 1
3) locate app 2
4) open app 2
5) copy
6) close app 2
7) locate app 1
8) load up the document you were working with
9) scroll to the point you wanted to paste to
10) paste
11) do the same again because your copypaste missed something
Yeah, seems really convenient and simple.
More verbal diarrhea from TripMasterFucktard. Tell me, how can my [insert game name here] iPhone automatically save the state of the game but a word processor on iPad wouldn't be able to save your documents on program close when you hit the close button? Oh and you know that you can move apps around right? If your problem is switching left and right and copy pasting, what's the issue? Move all those apps on the same page, instead of 'switching', close them, they'll save their state (if not, get a new app because the one you got sucks hairy monkey balls), start the other app, do your copy pasting. Only difference is in the terms, instead of calling switching out current app and switching in new app, it's closing app and starting new one. Same number of clicks, click to 'tab' and select the app or click to close and click to start new one. Two fucking interface actions in both cases. But yea, it's super duper complicated.
Fucktard.
I always hear that Linux gets the short-end of the Flash stick.
Flash is buggy and unstable on all platforms. Since I run nightly builds of Firefox on Windows with out-of-process plugins, I haven't had one single Firefox crash. However, I've seen Flash crash left and right. Apple's crash reports show Flash is the number one cause of application crashes on their platform.
Linux support used to be terrible. The Linux player was way behind, and Adobe didn't seem to care to update it.
Today Linux is the only platform you can get an official 64-bit version of Flash. One can argue that Adobe has treated Linux better than the other platforms by giving them a 64-bit Flash before anyone else.
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Everyone was absolutely convinced the iPad was going to be called the Slate or iSlate. And most of the rumors ($999 pricetag) were wrong. In fact, most Apple speculation proves to be wrong.
The 3G S was definately going to have a higher-resolution OLED screen and front-facing camera, remember?
I certainly hope these new rumors are true, but I'm content to wait for a press release and focus on facts.
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It is not our fault that Lady Apple has been late to every party. Sure she looks good. All dressed up in white and designer labels. But. She is always late to the party, driving a slow ass car 10 years out of date and making sure that her date who paid extra to be seen with her knows that all the things he can and can not do while in her presence have been spelled out in a 27 page EULA which he can not read until after he pays her the money up front and then agrees to sign a NDA as well. Nothing new to see here.
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Oh, I wonder how my Android phone allows Advanced Task Killer to kill off third party apps that are draining battery and slowing the device down? And that application is mandatory on Android due to the nature of the system - very few apps have "quit" options.
I don't think Apple did the wrong thing in putting off third-party multitasking for a while after the initial launch. Getting the app switching UI correct is important (not three years to implement important...), as well as ensuring that the hardware can support it (CPU, memory, battery).
Better 3G chip to go with all the carriers that have rolled out various kinds of HSDPA
Same CPU as the iPad (or more likely a version that cuts back the speed and power consumption to account for the smaller battery on the iPhone)
No multitasking (regardless of battery life concerns, Apple would need to "ruin" its perfect UI with some kind of task switcher feature)
No front facing camera (video calling has not taken off in the way phone carriers would like, especially in the US. AFAIK its almost non-existent on AT&T)
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I suspect 802.11n will appear IF apple can find a low power chip that doesn't require devoting too much of the internal space of the iPhone to the antenna.
I predict that there will still be no support for:
Loading apps without going through the app store
Fast 2D drawing APIs (CoreSurface or whatever it is) being able to be used in official apps
External keyboards of any kind
Any peripheral where Apple doesn't get a cut from every unit sold.
Any kind of ability for apps to share data files with each other
Any kind of ability to load arbitrary files onto an iPhone (i.e. a generic "documents" folder)
I also predict that there will continue to be many reasons Apple will reject your app submission, all of which exist as official policy at Apple (and are known to the app store reviewers) and none of which Apple will ever disclose to developers. One of these "unwritten rules" is likely "no apps that mean less revenue for Apple carrier partners such as AT&T"
Oh it seems Apple finally got to 90's computing.
Except that the iPhone already supported multitasking and all of Apple's own apps were able to run in the background. The change is only for third-party apps.
You know what he means though. Yes the OS supports multi-tasking, and yes a few "blessed" apps take advantage of this capability. Still, the fact remains that you can't hear a good song on Last.fm and, while listening to it, switch to the Amazon app to buy the CD (yeah, I still buy CDs... sue me). And that kinda sucks.
Didn't all the Apple fanboys say that not having multitasking to eat out battery life was better?
you said "eat out"
Because it's being marketed as being revolutionary? Oh wait....
C'mon... If the new iPhone has 3rd party multitasking, you know Steve Jobs will be on stage with RDF on full blast saying shit like, "this is a game changer" and calling it the most revolutionary feature since they introduced native apps.
Two years is probably more like it because that's the contract limitation of AT&T before you can get a new, subsidized phone (and another two year signup with AT&T).
My wife has a 3G, which is two years old this year and while its noticeably slower than my 3GS, its not really obsolete. Non-3G iPhones are 3 years old this year and are probably slower and can't use some of the features in 3.0 that 3G phones can, so those might be borderline obsolete even if they can fit some definition of "usable".
Apple may not EOL or intentionally make unusable a 3+ year old phone but it may get to be like PPC Macs that can't move onto higher OS levels.
I'm an iPhone (3G) user, and found that I really didn't miss true multi-tasking. In practice, the stuff I want to be able to run in the background are the phone, text, and e-mail applications (for obvious reasons), and the iPod app (so I can play music while I'm doing something else). Practically speaking, I never really had any need for, say, Gas Cubby (or really, any 3rd party app) to continue running in the background while I did something else. This is not to say that nobody would ever need this - I can see where people would like to do things like listen to Pandora while doing other things... but so far I've never really needed anything like this.
I heard that it will have a 12 inch screen that rolls up into a 3" diameter so you can stick it in your pants. Nerds finally get a toy that impresses the ladies. Did I mention that when the phone is set to vibrate . . .
App Store is a seriously controlled environment and they already impose strict guidelines for developers. How does an idle application even eat up more battery? It's not like your RAM needs more power if it's used a little bit more. The background app doesn't need to do any drawing and is usually on pause (unless it needs to do certain tasks in the background, and then it makes sense).
Because the apps you want multitasking for aren't idle. That's the whole point. If an app doesn't have anything to do in the background, then who cares if it quits when you click the home button? Aside from a slightly longer start time, you won't even notice. The whole idea is to have IM apps that run constantly and music apps like Pandora and Last.fm that continue playing when you switch to another app.
Because you have to travel the menus to locate your app you just switched out from and load up whatever you were doing, and even to perform a quick copy-paste you need to:
1) save your document
2) close app 1
3) locate app 2
4) open app 2
5) copy
6) close app 2
7) locate app 1
8) load up the document you were working with
9) scroll to the point you wanted to paste to
10) paste
11) do the same again because your copypaste missed something
Yeah, seems really convenient and simple.
Your list has nothing to do with multitasking... It's entirely about switching between applications. If today's iPhone had 3rd party multitasking, the steps you listed wouldn't change, except:
Step 1: I haven't seen an iPhone app with a "save" gesture. Maybe some of them exist, but most apps just save your changes automatically.
Steps 8 & 9: Good iPhone apps (which, admittedly, is a small set) take care of these for you by saving their state when you quit.
Did you forget that Photoshop was foremost a Mac product?
FTFY
What? Walt Mossberg is a known Apple fanboi (similar to Pogue from NYT). Just because they are from WSJ or NYT does not make them neutral or unbiased.
According to TFA, 960x640.
Yeah, which is actually 4x times the current resolution of 480 x 320, instead of 2x like mentioned in the summary.
Oh god. On slashdot, really?
There must be some sort of DNS spoofing exploit that's currently being used to attack Firefox - my browser's address bar says slashdot.com but I'm obviously on macrumors.com.
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Have you considered a career at Apple?
Did you miss where I wrote I had an Android phone? Idiot.
Add to your list "Can I use a keyboard with it?" For those of us that think of the iPhone as a computing platform rather than a toy and we might actually want to use it to take notes in a meeting, or compose an email.
The iPhone is capable of email, and yet, their software keyboard only lets you type messages that say "Tbrn tgnsje jwe sdfb".
The killer is Apple themselves sell a bluetooth keyboard. But they don't let you pair it with an iPhone. They will let you pair with a Mac or an iPad. Apple killed Macally's product which was to be a folding keyboard specifically designed for the iPhone.
WTF? I'm not buying an iPhone until I can use a keyboard because I cannot type on that cruddy software keyboard. And I will buy the first smartphone that does let you hook up a REAL keyboard and has a notes application (like the older Palm Treos). Why is it that older tech works better than newer (like older VCRs weren't affected by macrovision) ?
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
Thinking that you need Flash to view videos is like thinking you need Microsoft to get an Operating System.
Note to sensationalist Slashdot mods. This is a rumor, that's significant info, note that in the title. Please say that /. hasn't degraded to the point of disguising apple rumors as legit stories on the homepage. Feel free to mod this down but some long time /. readers have got to be thinking the same thing.
I'd prefer a letter or legal processor...
Why is the A4 blazing? Isn't it just another ARM derivate?
App Store is a seriously controlled environment and they already impose strict guidelines for developers. How does an idle application even eat up more battery? It's not like your RAM needs more power if it's used a little bit more. The background app doesn't need to do any drawing and is usually on pause (unless it needs to do certain tasks in the background, and then it makes sense).
Really, are you joking? The vast majority of apps that would work well as backgrounded apps are network connected apps. Things like IM clients, GPS tracking, etc. When you're looking at a cellphone, "drawing" is hardly the biggest power draw, think about 3g, turning the antenna on and constantly transmitting, and using GPS. Big drains.
You appear to have confused the words 'need' and 'choice', with unfortunate consequences for your argument.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A4_paper#A_series
An A4 is blazing? Seriously? But can it multitask?
I posted in response to someone asserting that 'streaming video' is a reason to use 'flash'. I do not find that agreeable at all. You not being able to run a particular platform the way you want is another discussion, and one I won't be having with you. Furthermore, the AC to which you respond seems under no illusion as to the meaning of the word "need".
You not having the choice to run Flash is not relevant to the discussion as whether it is required to play streaming video, or whether its omission is a Good Thing.
11. Post AC, claiming that the post you disagree with is full of trolling and flamebait, but lacking the stones to say so with your own account.
How will Apple deem this evolution of the iphone "revolutionary" with these specs?? What will make it different than phones like the HTC EVO4G? which seems have better specs or the HTC scorpion which is rumored to have a dual core 1.3 or 1.5 ghz processor?
It will be dubbed the 'iPhone HD' and will include a double resolution display, a front facing camera, multitasking support, and the blazing A4 processor... and a 20 minute battery life when using all these new features!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
I have a 1st gen iPhone. Now with all of the options out there now I just can't see sticking Apple unless they surprise us all. On top of the HD specs I would like to see a Pro model aimed at office professionals (I know that is so not Apple). This Pro model needs a memory card slot, a physical keyboard, a replaceable battery or longer life, better camera, etc.
There is definitely a market for the device and would somewhat fit in with Apple's other Pro products.
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I want the ability to play streaming music and use the GPS at the same time. Think about where I want to use that: In my car, with its own portable power plant. I, like most people with a longer commute, have a power adapter for my car. Battery life doesn't matter when you're plugged in. In fact, if Apple just enabled 3rd party multitasking only when plugged in I'd be thrilled.
Grammer Nazis - I mod you "troll" unless you actually add something on-topic. Yes, I know I have mispellings in my sig.
It did save battery life. Microsoft isn't allowing multitasking in Windows 7 Mobile either for the same reasons Apple didn't allow it. If this rumor true, it's a new system design with a new chip that must improve battery life enough to allow for more (likely strictly controlled) multitasking. If the new iPhone OS allows for multitasking, undoubtedly the iPad would see its OS upgraded as well. It's common sense.
Your post is an awful troll. You tried way too hard and weren't subtle enough. I suggest spending more time in your cave, hating all happiness in the world.
Yes, let's pretend apps don't save their state when closed. Really lame troll.
Because you're like everyone else in the market in that you don't use the failure that is Windows Mobile.
I have a better question. Why are you trolling every Apple article, and why are you pretending Microsoft isn't following Apple's single-tasking, strictly-controlled design with the new Windows 7 Mobile? There must be a reason Microsoft would also go with that design. I know the answer, but can you tell me what it is?
See you in line for an iPhone.
But. She is always late to the party, driving a slow ass car 10 years out of date
Just exactly WHAT in this video looks "10 years out of date", or reminds one of a "slow ass car"?
Note that that is NOT some cleverly-edited commercial footage. Obviously, the UI really IS that cool. And that fast. Yes, there is obviously a UI bug or two in the iBooks app, and I think they need to make the "inadvertent tap" delay a little shorter (but this may be somewhat unavoidable, to allow for distinguishing between tap and double-tap), but this was still two months before product release. Everything else looks quite nice. And FAST!
So, fucktard. Get your trolling facts straight.
I do actually use Windows Mobile, as my phone is HTC Touch HD. Granted its the customized WM, but the system is still same.
I hate that Microsoft is going the Apple route with Windows Mobile 7. I'm quite certain I won't be buying any phone with it, nor will I go with Android as the privacy intrusion with it is not a good thing.
Whenever I need a new phone, I guess it'll be Linux phone this time. Nokia's N900 is already top-of-the-line and I probably should had went with it already.
That's because Apple doesn't give access to corresponding API's.
Total bullshit. Adobe is too fecking lazy to rewrite Photoshop to use Cocoa.
Just exactly WHAT in this video looks "10 years out of date", or reminds one of a "slow ass car"?
Umm. What is so great about a very large smart phone that can not make a phone call?
Obviously, the UI really IS that cool
I believe that I covered that fact that the Lady looks good and dresses well. That I believe is what all the fanboys are paying for. Right?
So, fucktard. Get your trolling facts straight.
Ok. They are straight. Just because I point out that Apple is more of a beautiful, expensive whore that won't let you have sex with her unless that sex act is first full approved by the pimp first is no reason to get your panties all up in a wad. Relax.
You already know Apple is all about the looks and the UI. They do not innovate. They build what has been built before, dumb it down so the stupid can be as useful as the capable then put forth the greatest marketing machine ever built to sell it. They do what they do well. But don't pretend they are something they are not.
Have fun fuming over this post and try not to spit out your "Half-Caf, No Foam, Soy Latte".
Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
Indeed. It's sad that you get modded down - Apple stories are the only ones I have to browse at -1, because of the abuse from the Apple fans who seem to get all the mod points these days. Note to mods: just because someone doesn't share your love of a particular product, doesn't make it flamebait.
The joke is the way that features magically become important, only when the Iphone has them. It's bad enough that anything the Iphone can do is important, and anything the Iphone can't do is "Why would I need that?", but the funniest bit is that they can completely change their minds, when the Iphone finally gets the feature.
3G, MMS, copy/paste, video recording - it happened with all of these things. Now it'll be the same for multitasking, front facing cameras, along with Java and Flash if it finally adds those basic features. Similarly with resolution - my 5800, right now, has twice the resolution of an Iphone, at half the price. But no, you don't hear anyone raving about that. But the moment there's a mere rumour that a future Apple iVapourware product will have a higher resolution, it's suddenly front page news. And they're even going to call it "Iphone HD" to signify that that's the most advanced feature it has (and improvement over the embarrassment of "Iphone 3G" - wow, welcome to 2005. I thought all the 3G hype was over five years ago).
Remember all those years that we heard that one mouse button made things simpler, yet on the Iphone it's supposed to be better to have to remember complex multitouch gestures? Personally I'll stick with my 5800, that I can't even use with gloves on.
Except that the iPhone already supported multitasking and all of Apple's own apps were able to run in the background.
By that logic, any bog standard feature phone around since 2005 at least has been able to multitask, because you could run the built in apps together, and it's only the 3rd party apps that don't multitask.
(Not to mention - the non-installed "apps" are the thing that Iphone users rave about the most, so if they run at crippled functionality, that's a major bug, that's laughable in a phone pretending to be a smartphone. Why is the Iphone considered a smartphone, and other phones that can "multitask", by your definition, not?)
In many cases, yes, it is better that third-party apps couldn't run in the background. Considering how poor of quality many third-party iPhone apps are, it's a great thing that they couldn't sit around in the background eating up battery.
So you will now argue that the Iphone is a poorer product, as it can multitask, right?
I can get away with multitasking on my 5800. No one's claiming it's needed - I mean, nothing's needed on a phone, anyway. If you only want basic necessities, you can do with a cheap $50 phone. But multitasking is very useful to have on a 5800, and if I was paying twice the price, I'd expect that, and more.
And if the Iphone is so simply designed, why is multitouch required?
Really, are you joking? The vast majority of apps that would work well as backgrounded apps are network connected apps.
And they work so much better as background apps when the Apple phones don't have the ability to run them?
*shrugs* I guess that's Android for you. I've no problems on my 5800.
I don't think Apple did the wrong thing in putting off third-party multitasking for a while after the initial launch.
So now they'll allow it, you'll start saying it's bad for the Apple phones too?
If Microsoft's new mobile OS doesn't allow multitasking, then that's poor too. And I have to laugh - given how much Windows Mobile is hated around here, especially by Iphone fans, I see it's now being hailed as a good example of a mobile OS?
No, personally I'm doing okay with Nokia, like 40% of the market.
You can just close the program that is taking too much memory.
But I still want to use the phone!
Multi-touch is what *makes* it simple to use - no need for a set of buttons to toggle a zoom tool - just pinch, no need for a button to go between images/pages - just swipe, no need to have a button for selecting text, just tap and drag.
The gestures enabled by multi touch are one of the reasons the UI is nice and simple.
God I hope the new iPhone has a model that will run on Verizon. I don't care if it actually DOES, or if it is ever supported by VZW, I just want AT&T to feel enough pressure to make an effort to suck less.
I bought a 3Gs iPhone last fall, anticipating spending much of my time in Dallas. My reality turned out a bit different, now I'm living in rural Minnesota. I'm still forced to pay full price for 'unlimited' data, even though haven't seen a 3G connection since October. I was promised tethering was 'just around the corner', too - not that it matters - it'd be faster to walk to a hotspot than use a tethered EDGE connection. Now I see AT&T is budgeting major expansions in MN - all around the metro area, still 100 miles outside my stomping grounds. North and South Dakota aren't even on the AT&T map. I was recently visiting Warroad, MN, on the Canadian border, and couldn't even make a voice call. Crookston doesn't even have EDGE service. AT&T pisses and moans about folks who actually take them for their word about 'unlimited' data, but I'd sure like to have my bill cut back as compensation for not getting ANY 3G service. On the up side, I keep the 3G radio off and get GREAT battery life.
I know lots of /.ers will think I'm an idiot 'fanboy' for keeping the iPhone, but I really like the apps I've got on it - I use it for billing, task management, weather and flight planning and lots of other stuff - and the apps integrate nicely with my macbook. I'd have gone with a droid/google phone, but at the time it was only available on T-Mobile, and I KNEW that wouldn't work for me. In the future I'm worried that the droid platform will be so windows-centric that I'll get the short end of the cool app stick as a mac user.
For the moment I feel like I'm watching a race to see who wins - the Droid to provide apps I need on their vastly superior VZW coverage, or AT&T to expand the coverage for their superior apps. Maybe I should just trade the iPhone in for a Touch in the mean time. :-(
... it will have a battery life all of five (5) minutes.
So let me get this right, the processor is 210mmx197mm, how big is the phone going to be?? You're gonna need bigger pockets...
Umm. What is so great about a very large smart phone that can not make a phone call?
Um, because it isn't a very large smart phone? For example, can you run something as sophisticated as Keynote, Pages, or Numbers on any phone, large or small?
I believe that I covered that fact that the Lady looks good and dresses well. That I believe is what all the fanboys are paying for. Right?
So, every single person who purchases an iPad is a "fanboy"? I think you need to up your meds.
You already know Apple is all about the looks and the UI. They do not innovate. They build what has been built before, dumb it down so the stupid can be as useful as the capable then put forth the greatest marketing machine ever built to sell it.
Really? I guess there was no innovation in this, or this, or this, or this, or this. Why are there no examples of those hardware and software products PRIOR to Apple releasing them?. And why oh why do they keep winning industry awards year after year?
Are all those people fanboys, too?
Have fun fuming over this post and try not to spit out your "Half-Caf, No Foam, Soy Latte".
Sorry to disappoint you; but I'm strictly a Folgers/Walmart Half&Half/Splenda (I'm diabetic) sorta guy. Only been in a Starbucks once in my entire life. Don't even get the fake cappuccino at the fast food joints.