1) But there is the *option*. And you would be silly not to--it makes the 360 much quieter and in some games, gives better load times. And you're forgetting all the downloadable games from PSN/Live that--oh, wait for it--are saved to the *hard drive.*
2) Well it's true, that's what. Gone are the days of not having game-stopping bugs on consoles. GTA IV anyone?
3) Bugs are still ironed out with patches on the PC. They *both* become stable.
4) Yes, it is true, and just because you choose to ignore it doesn't mean it's not important. I don't think I've ever had an issue in PC Gaming since maybe Diablo 2, released in 2000.
5) What does that have to do with his point, that you can play on your comfy couch in the living room with a PC, for a while now? Uh, again ignoring it because you can't argue with it. And again, it's true. Just bought a 22", before using my 40" LCD TV as my main display. Feels even bigger, I was surprised.
Yes you are saying it's inferior, and in reponse to your last 3 points in your conclusion:
1) What does "dedicated to gaming mean?" A machine either plays games or not, and PC's do.
2) My games on the PC come on in seconds when I click the icon--hello? And if anything, PC games have significantly faster load-times during the course of gameplay.
3) You're just wrong. I haven't had a game choke on me in almost a decade. I think you may not be the sharpest tool in the shed if you have all these "problems."
Good counterpoint, but I used those examples though to actually address what you said. I meant Mario Party #56 as in I've played a million Mario games since SMB1, and a million Mario Karts, and a million Smash Brothers, ad nauseum. Even Metroid. Played Metroid, all the Game Boy ones, the GBA's, and Super Metroid. After a while you get tired of the same thing over and over and over (and it's not exactly like most Nintendo titles are known for their deep storylines to keep your interest, save for maybe Metroid which has *some* semblence of a storyline). And while those titles you mentioned are regarded as good, you can't argue that besides the core Nintendo library, about 10 games, the rest are shovelware. And the rare non-shovelware titles even have core gameplay involving "Shaking the Wiimote."
I do somewhat agree with you. It should have been mainstream, like now, where LCD TVs are dirt cheap and they don't even sell CRTs anymore. However, wasn't the first HDTV released in like 1998? That's 11 years. It was 7 years until the 360. How long do you want? 30 years?
Lol. I guess I saw figures for the month then somewhere. My mistake. And believe me, I don't drink the kool-aid--I just found those figures kinda funny after what the OP said.:)
2) You're wrong. The only common element that F3 has with COD is the perspective (which can be changed). If you were to use that argument, then ALL videogames are the same, because they ALL share *some* type of common element.
So your answer is that we should all retard progress, and dump higher resolution displays and go back to good 'ol CRT, because Nintendo is doing the best sales-wise?
Why do you users always just propose every solution as, "so get a Wii"? Ever think that it's NOT the solution--or NOT a solution everyone prefers?
Some of us *like* the games found on the 360/PS3/PC, and that's why we bought it *GASP*! Maybe we just happen to prefer Mass Effect and Sins of a Solar Empire to Mario Party #56 and "Shake The Wiimote #42." And if you happen to not want/afford a HDTV (which are so cheap these days), hook it up to your existing monitor and BAM--instant HD picture!
I'm not arguing with you--but I found it kinda interesting that recently Toyota took a *HUGE* loss in sales, the biggest out of all the automakers. It was exponentially more than GM, Ford, etc. I think they lost like $8B, vs. the others at ~$2B each.
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"Classic"/. was always fast posting that I recall. I just wish I could have the features of the new/. (read: "the +/-" to meta-mod stories), with the old that was lost (read: ability to only display stories from certain sections, rather than only by author it seems now).
And maybe it's just me, but where is the option to not timeout your login? I don't want auto-login or to stay logged in after I close the browser (for security), but I hate that/. logs me out after only like 2 minutes of inactivity. I can't even read half a discussion before I go to post and it says to login. Drive me mad, it's been over 10 years now lol!
I very much agree. But I also worry that, while apps are finally the best solution for mobile phones (made for the small interface--using the web like normal on a mobile phone will drive you mad, yes even using Mobile Safari), the problem is they do not adhere to normal computer software norms. I mean specifically that most likely that there are no new versions or patches to fix bugs. There is a Firefox 3.5, but 3.5.1 fixes things. There is no "BankSoftware" 1.0 app followed by "BankSoftware" 1.1. Exploits, data loss, and bricking i foresee being higher than normal. And I can't imagine with an IPhone it's like a normal computer, where you can just reformat and reinstall the OS.
I would support your OP, and disagree with you, for a different reason. The reason he feels there aren't any good games left is because there is nothing new or original. Yes there are new stories, graphics, etc., but they're still all the same game. I looked at a video of Prototype's gameplay. I was thinking to myself that this is just another 3D platformer--that was done with every 3D game before it. Yes there are new elements, etc., but once you have played about 20 games with the same setup, it's the same. What I mean is: play Mario 64, then play Psychonauts, then Ratchet & Clank, then Hulk: Ultimate Destruction (or whatever it's called). Notice a pattern? After about 20 of these, you realize it's the same game.
It's because of the d-bags. We love the idea of all the new content, ever-changing worlds, new quests, new gear, or trading for awesome gear you can't normally get at your level. Then we play with people and remember that it's still the same thing as playing with online as it ever was--awful. D-bags, cheaters, impatient people, and all the other awful people online. Just think, the same trolls and flamebaiters and morons who post random comments on forums/articles (excluding/.; those people make./ trolls look like saints) are the same people you'll be playing with on an MMO.
Hence the single-player MMO--providing all the benefits with none of the drawbacks.
I was just thinking lately, I worry about the future of consoles. With PC DRM, the general consensus is that PCs can't play games years later because most likely the DRM servers are unavailable. It made me wonder--and now I worry about the console even more. When MS/Sony decide to pull the plug on patch support for games on XBOX Live/PSN, we're screwed. I can still play FF 1 or Dragon Warrior on my NES almost 3 decades later. And one can still find patches or a patched PC game *somewhere*. But Oblivion or GTA4 without patches from Live/PSN? Forget it, pre-patched they're broken and non-functional. And you can only get it from one source. I'm very curious as to how Sony/MS will handle legacy hardware/games when new consoles are released. Makes you wonder. In the console world, 7 years is barely more than 1 console cycle (1 cycle is typically 5). But do you think MS/Sony will still provide patch servers in *7 years*?
I have to say, I do worry about consoles now though. With DRM scenario in what you described, the general consensus is that PCs can't play games years later because most likely the DRM servers are unavailable. It made me wonder--and now I worry about the console even more. When MS/Sony decide to pull the plug on patch support for games on XBOX Live/PSN, we're screwed. I can still play FF 1 or Dragon Warrior on my NES almost 3 decades later. And one can still find patches or a patched PC game *somewhere*. But Oblivion or GTA4 without patches from Live/PSN? Forget it, pre-patched they're broken and non-functional. And you can only get it from one source. I'm very curious as to how Sony/MS will handle legacy hardware/games when new consoles are released. Makes you wonder. In the console world, 7 years is barely more than 1 console cycle (1 cycle is typically 5). But do you think MS/Sony will still provide patch servers in *7 years*?
I got a kick out of your post. However, he scary thing is that it's actually true. Having played video games for a verrrry long time, I think we have to shift our views on things.
View all video games as rentals--and treat them as such, so we're no longer ripped off. Never pay full price. Only pay what a rental price would be. I always wait until the price drops significantly and/or buy used. For example, Saints Row 2 on Amazon is already only $5. Another example: pick up cheap deals on Steam--like when Bioshock was $5. This way if DRM/online play is screwed, you are only out $5-10.
And a side rant: reviews are all bought. We can't trust them. Forget them. And don't buy games based on them anymore. Either rent the game (console) to see if you like them first or play a demo (PC). Yes, demos are not the greatest indicator, but if you play video games long enough you know what to look for in a demo that pretty much will tell you if the game is worth buying.
You're right, and it's a shame. I think it's time for us to start supporting these types of games more. For example, take the new Castlevania game showcased at E3. Huge budget, yet it's *another* rehashed 3D platformer hack 'n slash, commanding a $60 price tag. Yet I'd kill for a 2D sequel to Castlevania: SOTN with 3D rendered sprites/backgrounds. But alas that would be relegated to the bargain bin, just because it's 2D.
Someone of us actually prefer digital distribution. Not having to lug around multiple UMDs, no wait to receive the product, less loading time, no noise, and longer battery life are surely the worst things ever.
Amen. I'm glad someone addressed this. Back in the initial days of the PSP, memory cards/solid state just wesn't an option. The only reason the DS had it is because *they're ROMs*. Yea, like the SNES/NES/Genesis. With 256 *MB* of space.
I don't own a PS3. I do have an XBOX and do PC gaming. But lately that argument of the XBOX costing as much as the PS3 if you add all the peripherals actually does make some sense. If you are a first time buyer, you won't be getting the Arcade version for $200, so you're looking at $300. And in this day and age you *must* have XBOX Live, if just for game patches. So unless you are lucky enough to have an CAT5 cable running to your living room, wireless is it. Boom, $400 right there. Yes, you could hook it up to a laptop and bridge it for cheaper, but the average consumer doesn't know how. And even if they did, that means you have to keep a laptop running in your living room every time you need it.
Also, being on my 5th replacement XBOX unit (even though I keep it perfectly ventilated by not being in any sort of open enclosure), I can tell you that any sort of premium is well worth not having to deal with the hassle of calling customer support every time and packing it up and driving to a UPS.
It's just a shame that the PS3 just doesn't have the same library of titles.
Maybe the PSP Go *is* their PSP2. Just because it isn't called the PSP2 doesn't mean it isn't. The Wii is a gamecube 1.5, and although that is the unofficial name, it's not an official Nintendo named product.
I'm so tired of seeing this "but Wii does better in sales!" fanboy garbage. What does that do for you? Do they share that money with you? Do they discount their prices for you? Judging from the $250 price for a Wii *still* since launch, for a basically a rebadged Gamecube, I think not. Do the huge amount of sales help the fact that after the first 2 months, your Wii is collecting dust now? Does all those sales make Mario Kart #42 any more fun for you?
Really, that phrase is getting old on/. There are a lot of games that are fun on the PSP. Just like they're a lot of games on the DS/Wii (which fanboys would probably use as an argument) that *aren't* fun (yes even first party Nintendo titles!).
I wholeheartedly agree. Dead Space is amazing. It's a shame it doesn't get the recognition is deserves. I'd even venture to say it's as good, maybe in a way better than RE4, which was one of my favorite games *ever* (haven't played RE5 like you have yet, though).
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1) But there is the *option*. And you would be silly not to--it makes the 360 much quieter and in some games, gives better load times. And you're forgetting all the downloadable games from PSN/Live that--oh, wait for it--are saved to the *hard drive.*
2) Well it's true, that's what. Gone are the days of not having game-stopping bugs on consoles. GTA IV anyone?
3) Bugs are still ironed out with patches on the PC. They *both* become stable.
4) Yes, it is true, and just because you choose to ignore it doesn't mean it's not important. I don't think I've ever had an issue in PC Gaming since maybe Diablo 2, released in 2000.
5) What does that have to do with his point, that you can play on your comfy couch in the living room with a PC, for a while now?
Uh, again ignoring it because you can't argue with it. And again, it's true. Just bought a 22", before using my 40" LCD TV as my main display. Feels even bigger, I was surprised.
Yes you are saying it's inferior, and in reponse to your last 3 points in your conclusion:
1) What does "dedicated to gaming mean?" A machine either plays games or not, and PC's do.
2) My games on the PC come on in seconds when I click the icon--hello? And if anything, PC games have significantly faster load-times during the course of gameplay.
3) You're just wrong. I haven't had a game choke on me in almost a decade. I think you may not be the sharpest tool in the shed if you have all these "problems."
If you think Sins and Mass Effect are shovelware, you have issues.
Good counterpoint, but I used those examples though to actually address what you said. I meant Mario Party #56 as in I've played a million Mario games since SMB1, and a million Mario Karts, and a million Smash Brothers, ad nauseum. Even Metroid. Played Metroid, all the Game Boy ones, the GBA's, and Super Metroid. After a while you get tired of the same thing over and over and over (and it's not exactly like most Nintendo titles are known for their deep storylines to keep your interest, save for maybe Metroid which has *some* semblence of a storyline). And while those titles you mentioned are regarded as good, you can't argue that besides the core Nintendo library, about 10 games, the rest are shovelware. And the rare non-shovelware titles even have core gameplay involving "Shaking the Wiimote."
I do somewhat agree with you. It should have been mainstream, like now, where LCD TVs are dirt cheap and they don't even sell CRTs anymore. However, wasn't the first HDTV released in like 1998? That's 11 years. It was 7 years until the 360. How long do you want? 30 years?
Lol. I guess I saw figures for the month then somewhere. My mistake. And believe me, I don't drink the kool-aid--I just found those figures kinda funny after what the OP said. :)
1) Fallout 3 can be played in 3rd person view.
2) You're wrong. The only common element that F3 has with COD is the perspective (which can be changed). If you were to use that argument, then ALL videogames are the same, because they ALL share *some* type of common element.
So your answer is that we should all retard progress, and dump higher resolution displays and go back to good 'ol CRT, because Nintendo is doing the best sales-wise?
Why do you users always just propose every solution as, "so get a Wii"? Ever think that it's NOT the solution--or NOT a solution everyone prefers?
Some of us *like* the games found on the 360/PS3/PC, and that's why we bought it *GASP*! Maybe we just happen to prefer Mass Effect and Sins of a Solar Empire to Mario Party #56 and "Shake The Wiimote #42." And if you happen to not want/afford a HDTV (which are so cheap these days), hook it up to your existing monitor and BAM--instant HD picture!
I'm not arguing with you--but I found it kinda interesting that recently Toyota took a *HUGE* loss in sales, the biggest out of all the automakers. It was exponentially more than GM, Ford, etc. I think they lost like $8B, vs. the others at ~$2B each.
"Classic" /. was always fast posting that I recall. I just wish I could have the features of the new /. (read: "the +/-" to meta-mod stories), with the old that was lost (read: ability to only display stories from certain sections, rather than only by author it seems now).
And maybe it's just me, but where is the option to not timeout your login? I don't want auto-login or to stay logged in after I close the browser (for security), but I hate that /. logs me out after only like 2 minutes of inactivity. I can't even read half a discussion before I go to post and it says to login. Drive me mad, it's been over 10 years now lol!
I very much agree. But I also worry that, while apps are finally the best solution for mobile phones (made for the small interface--using the web like normal on a mobile phone will drive you mad, yes even using Mobile Safari), the problem is they do not adhere to normal computer software norms. I mean specifically that most likely that there are no new versions or patches to fix bugs. There is a Firefox 3.5, but 3.5.1 fixes things. There is no "BankSoftware" 1.0 app followed by "BankSoftware" 1.1. Exploits, data loss, and bricking i foresee being higher than normal. And I can't imagine with an IPhone it's like a normal computer, where you can just reformat and reinstall the OS.
I would support your OP, and disagree with you, for a different reason. The reason he feels there aren't any good games left is because there is nothing new or original. Yes there are new stories, graphics, etc., but they're still all the same game. I looked at a video of Prototype's gameplay. I was thinking to myself that this is just another 3D platformer--that was done with every 3D game before it. Yes there are new elements, etc., but once you have played about 20 games with the same setup, it's the same. What I mean is: play Mario 64, then play Psychonauts, then Ratchet & Clank, then Hulk: Ultimate Destruction (or whatever it's called). Notice a pattern? After about 20 of these, you realize it's the same game.
It's because of the d-bags. We love the idea of all the new content, ever-changing worlds, new quests, new gear, or trading for awesome gear you can't normally get at your level. Then we play with people and remember that it's still the same thing as playing with online as it ever was--awful. D-bags, cheaters, impatient people, and all the other awful people online. Just think, the same trolls and flamebaiters and morons who post random comments on forums/articles (excluding /.; those people make ./ trolls look like saints) are the same people you'll be playing with on an MMO.
Hence the single-player MMO--providing all the benefits with none of the drawbacks.
I was just thinking lately, I worry about the future of consoles. With PC DRM, the general consensus is that PCs can't play games years later because most likely the DRM servers are unavailable. It made me wonder--and now I worry about the console even more. When MS/Sony decide to pull the plug on patch support for games on XBOX Live/PSN, we're screwed. I can still play FF 1 or Dragon Warrior on my NES almost 3 decades later. And one can still find patches or a patched PC game *somewhere*. But Oblivion or GTA4 without patches from Live/PSN? Forget it, pre-patched they're broken and non-functional. And you can only get it from one source. I'm very curious as to how Sony/MS will handle legacy hardware/games when new consoles are released. Makes you wonder. In the console world, 7 years is barely more than 1 console cycle (1 cycle is typically 5). But do you think MS/Sony will still provide patch servers in *7 years*?
I have to say, I do worry about consoles now though. With DRM scenario in what you described, the general consensus is that PCs can't play games years later because most likely the DRM servers are unavailable. It made me wonder--and now I worry about the console even more. When MS/Sony decide to pull the plug on patch support for games on XBOX Live/PSN, we're screwed. I can still play FF 1 or Dragon Warrior on my NES almost 3 decades later. And one can still find patches or a patched PC game *somewhere*. But Oblivion or GTA4 without patches from Live/PSN? Forget it, pre-patched they're broken and non-functional. And you can only get it from one source. I'm very curious as to how Sony/MS will handle legacy hardware/games when new consoles are released. Makes you wonder. In the console world, 7 years is barely more than 1 console cycle (1 cycle is typically 5). But do you think MS/Sony will still provide patch servers in *7 years*?
I got a kick out of your post. However, he scary thing is that it's actually true. Having played video games for a verrrry long time, I think we have to shift our views on things.
View all video games as rentals--and treat them as such, so we're no longer ripped off. Never pay full price. Only pay what a rental price would be. I always wait until the price drops significantly and/or buy used. For example, Saints Row 2 on Amazon is already only $5. Another example: pick up cheap deals on Steam--like when Bioshock was $5. This way if DRM/online play is screwed, you are only out $5-10.
And a side rant: reviews are all bought. We can't trust them. Forget them. And don't buy games based on them anymore. Either rent the game (console) to see if you like them first or play a demo (PC). Yes, demos are not the greatest indicator, but if you play video games long enough you know what to look for in a demo that pretty much will tell you if the game is worth buying.
You're right, and it's a shame. I think it's time for us to start supporting these types of games more. For example, take the new Castlevania game showcased at E3. Huge budget, yet it's *another* rehashed 3D platformer hack 'n slash, commanding a $60 price tag. Yet I'd kill for a 2D sequel to Castlevania: SOTN with 3D rendered sprites/backgrounds. But alas that would be relegated to the bargain bin, just because it's 2D.
Someone of us actually prefer digital distribution. Not having to lug around multiple UMDs, no wait to receive the product, less loading time, no noise, and longer battery life are surely the worst things ever.
Or you could have just downloaded the Patapon 2 *DEMO* from PSN to see what it was like.
Amen. I'm glad someone addressed this. Back in the initial days of the PSP, memory cards/solid state just wesn't an option. The only reason the DS had it is because *they're ROMs*. Yea, like the SNES/NES/Genesis. With 256 *MB* of space.
I don't own a PS3. I do have an XBOX and do PC gaming. But lately that argument of the XBOX costing as much as the PS3 if you add all the peripherals actually does make some sense. If you are a first time buyer, you won't be getting the Arcade version for $200, so you're looking at $300. And in this day and age you *must* have XBOX Live, if just for game patches. So unless you are lucky enough to have an CAT5 cable running to your living room, wireless is it. Boom, $400 right there. Yes, you could hook it up to a laptop and bridge it for cheaper, but the average consumer doesn't know how. And even if they did, that means you have to keep a laptop running in your living room every time you need it.
Also, being on my 5th replacement XBOX unit (even though I keep it perfectly ventilated by not being in any sort of open enclosure), I can tell you that any sort of premium is well worth not having to deal with the hassle of calling customer support every time and packing it up and driving to a UPS.
It's just a shame that the PS3 just doesn't have the same library of titles.
Maybe the PSP Go *is* their PSP2. Just because it isn't called the PSP2 doesn't mean it isn't. The Wii is a gamecube 1.5, and although that is the unofficial name, it's not an official Nintendo named product.
I'm so tired of seeing this "but Wii does better in sales!" fanboy garbage. What does that do for you? Do they share that money with you? Do they discount their prices for you? Judging from the $250 price for a Wii *still* since launch, for a basically a rebadged Gamecube, I think not. Do the huge amount of sales help the fact that after the first 2 months, your Wii is collecting dust now? Does all those sales make Mario Kart #42 any more fun for you?
Really, that phrase is getting old on /. There are a lot of games that are fun on the PSP. Just like they're a lot of games on the DS/Wii (which fanboys would probably use as an argument) that *aren't* fun (yes even first party Nintendo titles!).
I wholeheartedly agree. Dead Space is amazing. It's a shame it doesn't get the recognition is deserves. I'd even venture to say it's as good, maybe in a way better than RE4, which was one of my favorite games *ever* (haven't played RE5 like you have yet, though).