Yes, people are everywhere, isn't dat veeeerd? hehe
Well, I can't honestly say about passing. I'm one of those TSs where it just seems to come natural to me. I haven't even started taking hormones, yet I'm presenting full-time as female already. Heh... SoC can bite by cute lil' toosh!;) *laugh*
Yes, I don't particularly know how I can indicate to you that people just generally don't care (of course this will vary with location), and since sexual dimorphism is very low in humans, you have a good shot no matter what, unless you're ubermasculine looking. I've been fortunate enough to have been given a very feminine figure already, and from behind I was abiguous before I even accepted that I was TS, (in fact, I even overheard my Dad at a bar comment about that to someone!)
So, one thing you can do, is do your best, then go out to somewhere that is totally not even near where you would live or work, and present there. Like go to a fast food drive up window. God, I was devistated after I came home from a Jack in the Box one night, crying because they called me "sir". But, given time, and experience, you'll be able to pass better. Today, I was addressed as Ma'am by a lady at a restaurant, without even a second thought on her mind. And remember, I've not even started hormones yet. You will be honestly amazed at what you can do, once you have experience and confidence behind you.
Of course, I also walked around with pink hair for awhile. If you think just getting "guy in a dress" looks is bad, try having a hair color that will make every stare at you, whether they read you or not!
I posted a bunch of anonymous messages on this list, and you're right... apparently there *is* a fairly large trans community on slashdot. I guess I may as well be open about it. I mean, heck, I'm not even taking hormones yet, and I'm presenting full time. (I change my name in two days, yay!)
So... Anyways, oddly enough I met my best friend because another friend I knew knew that she did her Master's Thesis on transgender voice. I read Sandy Hirsch's book about transgender voice, it's highly technical, but with my background in linguistics, it's not impossible for me to understand (although there are parts that I'm just like "um... what?")
So, anyways, I've been working on my voice, and actually have had my voice read as female a few times, although mostly the problem is my pitch... (I know that it's not just about pitch... I've already studied the other stuff, and am reasonably good at resonance, vocabulary, and grammar.) Even if I don't sound perfectly female, my voice is so different now that many people that already know me can't tell who I am, and the mother of my best friend ever (different than the above) even thought I were female when I called her up.:)
I'd say if you have an understanding group of people, you can't get better at practicing your voice than ventrilo. Of course, finding a group of people on WoW that don't think you're "creepy", and throw you out of their guild... that may be the harder part.:P
Of course, whenever he went up or down stairs, a lieutenant would unobtrusively position himself on the downhill side of the stairs just in case
I would figure that lieutenants would have something better to do than act as safety nets for higher ranking officers... oops, silly me, this is the military we're talking about;)
In an ideal world, people would have drugs tested on all racial and gender type roughly equally, or at least according to the relative percentage of the population (which, of course, means Indian people perhaps should get more testing).
Right, because we need to ensure that we test that sickle-cell anemia drug on all the caucassians and asians thoroughly. And then there's testing erection treatment drugs on women, and female hormone replacement on men. And make sure you test all the drugs on pregnant women, so that you're clear about the harm it can cause to an unborn fetus.
There are reasons why we choose drug profiles that we do. It's not always for profit. If it is motivated by profit, and that impacts its effectiveness, then that would be bad, but it still doesn't limit the point that we need to limit the testing somehow.
Also the game Tenchu, the original version. I played through the female side of the story, and my roommate played through the male side of the story.
When he got to a certain boss, the boss said, "Yes, you're right, I've done a horrible thing, and the only way to save my honor is to commit Seppuku." But get there as a woman, and you get "Screw you, whore, I'm not going to bow down and take orders from a female." And then you have to fight him.
A whole boss fight skipped, just because he's a guy, and I'm a girl:P
Both women and men have the ability to choose what they want to do (restricted, of course, by their social class). Encouraging women (or men, for that matter) to do something which they aren't really interested in, brings the wrong people into such programs.
This is the premise that your entire argument rests upon, that women have the ability to choose what they want to do. When in fact, culture and society restricts us immensely in what we are expected to choose to do. Today, one would look at the high ratio of females to males in teaching, and indicate that as a natural division, since women are more likely to be caring for youth than men. But this flies in the face of evidence from the past, where women were expected NOT to be in a teaching role. During the past, a female teacher was almost unheard of, and faced serious disapproval for her choice! What has changed since? Societies attitudes about a woman being allowed to work in that position. Now, instead of being shunned for working as a teacher, it is expected, and often compelled, as it falls in line with our culture's expectations of gender roles.
During a female's upbringing in our culture, she is discouraged from aggressive behavior, and directed towards a more indirect, submissive position. During a male's upbringing in our culture, he is expected to be aggressive, and take a dominant and controlling position. Even when their desired behavior is in direct conflict with these expectations. Almost without fail, men will poorly comply with a female's requests if they are made in a dominate manner, the female must literally coax action from her subordinates rather than having any ability to directly assert what needs to be done.
This is most directly apparent by the difference in how females and males ask for things to be done. A female would ask, "I would like to have two lights placed over in that corner?" while a male would be able to assert, "Hey, put two lights in that corner."
Your assertion that females are free to choose their best-suited field is simply wrong. We are not free to choose such things, and those girls who do choose to go into computer science are either mocked and thought less of, or if they are even remotely attractive, they are idealized and turned into objects of--most times unwanted--affection. You are clearly viewing the world from a very idealized point of view in your position as a man, yet you neglect the reality that is there.
So long as our culture expects women to be submissive, we will never be able to assert our true desires.
Legally, Visa comprises four non-stock, separately incorporated companies that employ 6000 people worldwide: Visa International Service Association ("VISA"),...
Hey! They can't use self-recursive acronyms, that's a GNU patent!
This is always the problem with quotas. If you have a quota that you must meet, and your job can be done well but below that artificial quota, you "pad" it with stuff that no one will notice, just so you can meet the quota, even though you've done your job completely already.
Oh come on, that dupe is at least a month old. By that time, it hardly counts as a dupe. Slashdot dupes so often, it only counts as a dupe anymore if they're both on the same front page!;)
Akima: You can't call a planet "Bob." Cale: So now you're the boss. You're the King of Bob. Akima: Can't we just call it "Earth"? Cale: No one said you have to live on Bob. Akima: I'm never calling it that.
Except that you (women) can have a job and help out with expenses.
Well, so were kids able to before child labor laws... I still think we're better off.
Kids usually are nothing but a drain.
As someone else mentioned, the idea is that kids later become better off than you were, and can help support you in your older ages, when you're not able to support yourself.
FWIW, I personally wouldn't be with someone that depended on me financially.
Well, you should go out and get a job then. *laugh* I wouldn't depend on a guy financially either, as much respect as I have for house wives, and have entertained the idea of being one myself, I don't think I could stand it. Of course, it would be great though, if my husband were to make enough that I didn't have to work, and I could just stay home.
Of course, I'd also hate to become the stereotypical woman sitting at home eating bon bons, and watching Oprah. Ick, that just sounds horrible.
Silly boy, don't you know that we fully cost more than a kid?
Oh, and do you think you could pick me up something to eat? I'm busy playing WoW, and it'd be *so* great if you could pick something up, because I'm just too busy with MC.
hmmm... that might be it... i'm using a combo-mombo drive. I'll try a regular 'ol DVD drive.
I hope it works out for you. I was upset when I figured out that that was the problem. It's like, why should that make a difference? *sigh* Maybe I should file a bug, I mean, how could they not already know about it though?
You're describing similar problems to what I've had trying to install Vista. The things I can come up with, are, make sure that you're burning the ISO to a writable DVD drive, and not a CD-R (Hey, even the smartest people could overlook this sometimes, like how every "it won't start" troubleshooting guide starts with "is it plugged in?")
The next one, was to make sure that I'm installing off a DVD-ROM drive, and *not* a burner. This was the biggest problem I had. I could *not* get Beta 1 to install at all at home, despite having an official Microsoft Beta DVD, and I eventually traced the problem down to trying to install with my CD-RW/DVD-ROM combo drive. I went out bought a simple DVD-ROM, and plugged it in just long enough to install Vista, and it worked perfect.
It's specifically the matter that this remote access is not available standard with XP.
We use an internal system that relies upon SmartCards for verification, and the webpage for it is quite clear that no support exists for anything but Windows 2k+
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Yes, people are everywhere, isn't dat veeeerd? hehe
;) *laugh*
Well, I can't honestly say about passing. I'm one of those TSs where it just seems to come natural to me. I haven't even started taking hormones, yet I'm presenting full-time as female already. Heh... SoC can bite by cute lil' toosh!
Yes, I don't particularly know how I can indicate to you that people just generally don't care (of course this will vary with location), and since sexual dimorphism is very low in humans, you have a good shot no matter what, unless you're ubermasculine looking. I've been fortunate enough to have been given a very feminine figure already, and from behind I was abiguous before I even accepted that I was TS, (in fact, I even overheard my Dad at a bar comment about that to someone!)
So, one thing you can do, is do your best, then go out to somewhere that is totally not even near where you would live or work, and present there. Like go to a fast food drive up window. God, I was devistated after I came home from a Jack in the Box one night, crying because they called me "sir". But, given time, and experience, you'll be able to pass better. Today, I was addressed as Ma'am by a lady at a restaurant, without even a second thought on her mind. And remember, I've not even started hormones yet. You will be honestly amazed at what you can do, once you have experience and confidence behind you.
Of course, I also walked around with pink hair for awhile. If you think just getting "guy in a dress" looks is bad, try having a hair color that will make every stare at you, whether they read you or not!
I posted a bunch of anonymous messages on this list, and you're right... apparently there *is* a fairly large trans community on slashdot. I guess I may as well be open about it. I mean, heck, I'm not even taking hormones yet, and I'm presenting full time. (I change my name in two days, yay!)
:)
:P
So... Anyways, oddly enough I met my best friend because another friend I knew knew that she did her Master's Thesis on transgender voice. I read Sandy Hirsch's book about transgender voice, it's highly technical, but with my background in linguistics, it's not impossible for me to understand (although there are parts that I'm just like "um... what?")
So, anyways, I've been working on my voice, and actually have had my voice read as female a few times, although mostly the problem is my pitch... (I know that it's not just about pitch... I've already studied the other stuff, and am reasonably good at resonance, vocabulary, and grammar.) Even if I don't sound perfectly female, my voice is so different now that many people that already know me can't tell who I am, and the mother of my best friend ever (different than the above) even thought I were female when I called her up.
I'd say if you have an understanding group of people, you can't get better at practicing your voice than ventrilo. Of course, finding a group of people on WoW that don't think you're "creepy", and throw you out of their guild... that may be the harder part.
Of course, whenever he went up or down stairs, a lieutenant would unobtrusively position himself on the downhill side of the stairs just in case
;)
I would figure that lieutenants would have something better to do than act as safety nets for higher ranking officers... oops, silly me, this is the military we're talking about
In an ideal world, people would have drugs tested on all racial and gender type roughly equally, or at least according to the relative percentage of the population (which, of course, means Indian people perhaps should get more testing).
Right, because we need to ensure that we test that sickle-cell anemia drug on all the caucassians and asians thoroughly. And then there's testing erection treatment drugs on women, and female hormone replacement on men. And make sure you test all the drugs on pregnant women, so that you're clear about the harm it can cause to an unborn fetus.
There are reasons why we choose drug profiles that we do. It's not always for profit. If it is motivated by profit, and that impacts its effectiveness, then that would be bad, but it still doesn't limit the point that we need to limit the testing somehow.
First they were outsourcing our IT jobs, now they're outsourcing our test subject jobs? When will it end?
*promptly picks up her ticket to hell on her way off the stage*
Would it help if I got out and pushed?
Also the game Tenchu, the original version. I played through the female side of the story, and my roommate played through the male side of the story.
:P
When he got to a certain boss, the boss said, "Yes, you're right, I've done a horrible thing, and the only way to save my honor is to commit Seppuku." But get there as a woman, and you get "Screw you, whore, I'm not going to bow down and take orders from a female." And then you have to fight him.
A whole boss fight skipped, just because he's a guy, and I'm a girl
Both women and men have the ability to choose what they want to do (restricted, of course, by their social class). Encouraging women (or men, for that matter) to do something which they aren't really interested in, brings the wrong people into such programs.
This is the premise that your entire argument rests upon, that women have the ability to choose what they want to do. When in fact, culture and society restricts us immensely in what we are expected to choose to do. Today, one would look at the high ratio of females to males in teaching, and indicate that as a natural division, since women are more likely to be caring for youth than men. But this flies in the face of evidence from the past, where women were expected NOT to be in a teaching role. During the past, a female teacher was almost unheard of, and faced serious disapproval for her choice! What has changed since? Societies attitudes about a woman being allowed to work in that position. Now, instead of being shunned for working as a teacher, it is expected, and often compelled, as it falls in line with our culture's expectations of gender roles.
During a female's upbringing in our culture, she is discouraged from aggressive behavior, and directed towards a more indirect, submissive position. During a male's upbringing in our culture, he is expected to be aggressive, and take a dominant and controlling position. Even when their desired behavior is in direct conflict with these expectations. Almost without fail, men will poorly comply with a female's requests if they are made in a dominate manner, the female must literally coax action from her subordinates rather than having any ability to directly assert what needs to be done.
This is most directly apparent by the difference in how females and males ask for things to be done. A female would ask, "I would like to have two lights placed over in that corner?" while a male would be able to assert, "Hey, put two lights in that corner."
Your assertion that females are free to choose their best-suited field is simply wrong. We are not free to choose such things, and those girls who do choose to go into computer science are either mocked and thought less of, or if they are even remotely attractive, they are idealized and turned into objects of--most times unwanted--affection. You are clearly viewing the world from a very idealized point of view in your position as a man, yet you neglect the reality that is there.
So long as our culture expects women to be submissive, we will never be able to assert our true desires.
Legally, Visa comprises four non-stock, separately incorporated companies that employ 6000 people worldwide: Visa International Service Association ("VISA"), ...
Hey! They can't use self-recursive acronyms, that's a GNU patent!
Homeland Security: Our budget is proportional to the number of terrorists we find. When there aren't enough terrorists, we make them.
This makes me laugh and cry at the same time. I laugh because it's so utterly hilarious, and I cry, because I worry that it were actually true.
So the Washington Post or NYT are the only reliable sources of information?
I'm very much worried about the reliablity of my sources also, but rejecting a story just because it isn't from a headlining news source?
That just seem as dead-brained as blindly believing anything anyone says.
This is always the problem with quotas. If you have a quota that you must meet, and your job can be done well but below that artificial quota, you "pad" it with stuff that no one will notice, just so you can meet the quota, even though you've done your job completely already.
Oh come on, that dupe is at least a month old. By that time, it hardly counts as a dupe. Slashdot dupes so often, it only counts as a dupe anymore if they're both on the same front page! ;)
yay!!! you got it! :)
:)
It was one of my favorite lines... a little bit of sesarching on the internet, and they gave the quote.
Akima: You can't call a planet "Bob."
Cale: So now you're the boss. You're the King of Bob.
Akima: Can't we just call it "Earth"?
Cale: No one said you have to live on Bob.
Akima: I'm never calling it that.
Auditors like them, since they're so good at logging, and keeping a paper trail.
I nominate this for pun of the week.
At any rate, my original comment was half in jest anyway, I didn't think it would get any replies :-)
;)
As were mine in jest also. I just don't know how to let a joke die though
I assume MC = Missile Command?
No, MC = Molten Core, I mentioned WoW earlier. Maybe you're not one of the hardcore addicts like me...
Except that you (women) can have a job and help out with expenses.
Well, so were kids able to before child labor laws... I still think we're better off.
Kids usually are nothing but a drain.
As someone else mentioned, the idea is that kids later become better off than you were, and can help support you in your older ages, when you're not able to support yourself.
FWIW, I personally wouldn't be with someone that depended on me financially.
Well, you should go out and get a job then. *laugh* I wouldn't depend on a guy financially either, as much respect as I have for house wives, and have entertained the idea of being one myself, I don't think I could stand it. Of course, it would be great though, if my husband were to make enough that I didn't have to work, and I could just stay home.
Of course, I'd also hate to become the stereotypical woman sitting at home eating bon bons, and watching Oprah. Ick, that just sounds horrible.
My girlfriend does all that stuff.
Silly boy, don't you know that we fully cost more than a kid?
Oh, and do you think you could pick me up something to eat? I'm busy playing WoW, and it'd be *so* great if you could pick something up, because I'm just too busy with MC.
No, I (a she) meant Kobol, from Battlestar Galactica.
:)
I liked the Cobol joke, though.
I say we all go back to Kobol, and meet up with the other 12 colonies. :)
It looks like they already have some really cool stuff.
hmmm ... that might be it ... i'm using a combo-mombo drive. I'll try a regular 'ol DVD drive.
I hope it works out for you. I was upset when I figured out that that was the problem. It's like, why should that make a difference? *sigh* Maybe I should file a bug, I mean, how could they not already know about it though?
You're describing similar problems to what I've had trying to install Vista. The things I can come up with, are, make sure that you're burning the ISO to a writable DVD drive, and not a CD-R (Hey, even the smartest people could overlook this sometimes, like how every "it won't start" troubleshooting guide starts with "is it plugged in?")
The next one, was to make sure that I'm installing off a DVD-ROM drive, and *not* a burner. This was the biggest problem I had. I could *not* get Beta 1 to install at all at home, despite having an official Microsoft Beta DVD, and I eventually traced the problem down to trying to install with my CD-RW/DVD-ROM combo drive. I went out bought a simple DVD-ROM, and plugged it in just long enough to install Vista, and it worked perfect.
It's specifically the matter that this remote access is not available standard with XP.
We use an internal system that relies upon SmartCards for verification, and the webpage for it is quite clear that no support exists for anything but Windows 2k+