"With that massive sample size of 2 cases they MUST be right...that's rock solid statistical analysis./p>
I find it disconcerting that having a FaceBook account makes you less suspicious and more hirable. Isn't this just another form of discrimination? We've finally gotten (mostly) past looking at people's race, religion, sexual preference, and skin color but we can now look at their willingness to keep nothing personal and private and hold that against them? How is this legal?"
Couple of things:
1. Remember the Political Science professor a few stories over that said algebra wasn't important? He probably likes this story with its rigorous methodology!
2. Facebook is using its money passably well to make itself Too Big To Fail. I can't recall any other corporate entity (except maybe Google) being posited as this kind of social requirement for all phases of being the only way to prove yourself. They're crossing over from simple ad sales to inserting themselves into the What Do You Have To Hide propaganda.
Hi, this site is all about ninjas, REAL NINJAS. This site is awesome. My name is Robert and I can't stop thinking about ninjas. These guys are cool; and by cool, I mean totally sweet.
Facts: 1. Ninjas are mammals. 2. Ninjas fight ALL the time. 3. The purpose of the ninja is to flip out and kill people.
Therefore: 1. All mammals are Ninjas and Homo Sapiens are a subset of mammals 2. The purpose of Ninjas is to flip out and kill people 3. Therefore all homo sapiens are murderers that flip out and kill people!
Yeah, I also come from the school of internet thought that said "limit your real name on the net, it's the content not the person". I've worked pretty hard to build a "Web Brand" across a bunch of sites, while searching my real name leads to a fairly tame set of results. As I like to say, anyone that motivated can figure out the connection in under an hour, but it's a base level of veneer to slow down the most important cases like snooping HR and spammers.
There was a site that made me REALLY angry when I was about to "post a comment using Yahoo" and then the comment software *ignored* my handle and grabbed my *real* first name off my Yahoo mail account!
So I agree: heavy handed real name policies make me suspicious in the larger context of overall surveillance moves going on.
Come on mods, this is "only" +2? This comment practically ends this entire discussion!
"Journalists + Jargon: Good or Bad?" Being the article? And everyone got to talking about God Particles?
We're *Techies*! (Well you are, I am a self-deprecating wannabe, but you get my drift.) The minute anyone goes for a +5 Informative (not Insightful, which cake for humanities types like me to get), but *Informative*, you're gonna get... wait for it... Jargon! I had no idea what a DOI was. (Oh no! It's Jargon! We can't have that, make it simple, call it an "Intertubezwebs thingie"!)
We've spent entire threads bemoaning/laughing at NewbsWithNoLawnz... which is another way to say that we know that particular article's Jargon, and they don't. But Jargon is in the eye of the beholder, so the same article in two different markets creates two different results of audience perception. Uh, I mean, Dem Readerz will Like you on Facebook one way and send you LolCats and the other will study your reasoned critique.
Interesting that Slashdot is a fairly Linear medium, the comments show up in some pseudo-organic manner and whatever butterfly-fluctuations of the order they show up in makes the mood of the thread. Limited by my own frailties, I have long been interested with the early themes of multiple versions of the same text, so that the readers can choose *their own version* of the article. If you want the cheap pop, read the 400 inflammatory words. If you want the details, click "show advanced" etc and read the 4,000 word version.
This was one of the early goals of the old Hypertext Theorists, but with the mechanics of Forum Posting mechanics, we're back to static 1-version comments.
You're getting +Funnies, but it's a legit part of the equation.
A thundering famous example is cargo shipping stuff from China. China, as we all know, is the poster country for Non-Expensive, and just to amuse the/. crowd, I'll use the example where a businessman lost $100,000 because his shipment of Justin Bieber dolls took too long to arrive and then they had a haircut that was no longer good.
Naw, you have it right - every not counting weasely TOS tricks, every post on the internet and *every graphic file* are copyrighted. So it really is a scary double standard that is going to get very dangerous very quick when someone with a big pocket makes precisely the point that you do and audits the **AA to find them in violation of the copyright on "small works" (such as these forum posts.)
Here we go, now you have an interesting new wrinkle. Dilbert and the De-Motivator posters are funny for a reason. At 22, you and others like you are coming to the game white hot and exploding with energy. But if people end up in a couple different companies with culture problems, eventually an under-paid salary creeps up on you.
I read through most of the comments and here's a different slant on things. I'm modestly clever at those kinds of "low level fixes" that get Today's Problem solved, but a long time ago I decided I didn't want to be a raw IT worker. So I went the business route and then used my secondary IT knowledge like a satellite help desk in the main office where those kinds of quick fixes became very useful.
As I got older, tech itself did become less interesting, and I'm glad I have a second angle. You might find interesting things about yourself if you sat down one day and said "what *second* profession do I want to be good at?" If the answer is "nothing", there's one warning sign. And if you do find one, you might find your energy to learn every last detail on the tech side slipping! : )
Yeah, count me in on the XP Meta-Game. Six years ago I built a custom comp to ride out XP past all this ephemeral crap, then finally at the last minute upgrade to the results of the future of computing. But what we learned from XP is that tons of basic programs and work hit a sweet spot, so upgrades weren't necessary. If my machine holds out long enough, I want to find out the subsequent results of the Windows 8, whether it becomes like a Zune and gets trashed or if by Windows 9 it becomes really worth moving to finally. But I have to hold out for one more generation.
See that's just it, the PC market is half as much an albatross as it is a cash cow - MS really *can't* abandon the PC market, because for better or worse through all their OEM deals, they made it. If they ditch PC's to become the Zune of Mobile, they'll croak and we'll see chaos that hasn't been seen since 1985 with some 7 vendors fighting it out.
Actually that's an interesting problem in itself. "What constitutes hard" in a sudoku puzzle? Maybe he meant that there are differences of opinion on whether one type of concept is numerically more difficult than another combined with the depth of the process, aka a harder extension of an easier concept vs an easier extension of a harder concept.
If you allow the first premise, the odds on the rest are pretty good.
An alien "good enough" to get here at all would then have good scans.For humor's sake, let's even suggest a "sloppy" infrared scan. "There's billions of heat signatures moving around. That's Not Right."
So then faced with absolute proof, why not just land the thing? Why get all freaked and stay hidden?
The ultra depressing thing is that if they actually did that, it would be some time like 4,000 BC and fuel the writings of Erich von Daniken.
Nah, I trust a couple geniuses among us are pretty good at pointing at something and saying "That's Not Right". (The rest of the decoding is a different problem.)
I think it's just the crappy distance problem. As a Civilization transmitting waves, we basically have only some 125 years. For the LightSpeed Distance problem, that's a pretty narrow window. Just because *now* we're ready, is the problem. "We want it all, and we want it now." It's our bad luck (for example) a civilization held together for 1000 years but at the time we were doing the Ancient Greece - Egyptian deal.
"Myth" usually means a story that not only can't be traced but has elements of outright imagination in it.
When we talk about the stories of these company leaders, the word can't be "myth", because it's all right there.
So we need a new word. But you're right, it's tricky. Not Super-Villain, not Super-Hero. Not even "Just Lucky" because I'll agree there's probably hard work in there somewhere.
Just to get this post out there, I'll go with "Cultural Icon". None of the fuzziness of Myths, it's all there - we just don't yet reliably know precisely who becomes Cultural Icons and why. (After all, despite the billions, *Neither* Microsoft, Apple, or Google created Facebook - it took a fourth influence.)
Heh you're too far down and no one will see this, but thanks for the funny reply.
What we're struggling with in this article is that for something like an ad agency, not a military hardware division, how can you possibly lose that much money? That's like saying that you have 100,000 people working for 60k each and you got zilch from it. It's like saying how can you possibly have 100,000 people working on something and have nothing at all (write off) to show for it?
Thing about Metro is, I'm sure they *did* do research. The question is, "what kind?"
Rumbles are emerging that the old school MS crowd using desktops are going to be in for a ride. MS is apparently betting the farm on some kind of ethereal Mobile-esque strategy.
What I don't get is that the tablets won't run the desktop versions of Apps, so what "Windows" value lies there?
Yeah, I'm starting to enter this group. I'm midline - I run a modified variant of Firefox with AdBlock, Ghostery, Do Not Track, the Collusion plugin, and Private Browsing Mode with history set to zero. And that's about all the energy I have for this stuff.
If all that is not enough, (and it's not), that's the point of the article.
Okay, let's chat about the fun games of the day.
I'll open with Rags to Riches, Ultimate Wizard, and a Pacman clone PacLips.
This is about the fourth time I've seen this in a week here and almost never before that.
But there may be a gaping flaw:
"Won't someone Think of the Children?"
That's a pretty good trick.
1. Take the "propaganda meme" (money to the artists)
2. pull in a slashdot story from a few days ago, http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/07/29/0555208/ifpi-wont-share-pirate-bay-damages-with-musicians
3. ??
4. Karma Profit!
"With that massive sample size of 2 cases they MUST be right...that's rock solid statistical analysis./p>
I find it disconcerting that having a FaceBook account makes you less suspicious and more hirable. Isn't this just another form of discrimination? We've finally gotten (mostly) past looking at people's race, religion, sexual preference, and skin color but we can now look at their willingness to keep nothing personal and private and hold that against them? How is this legal?"
Couple of things:
1. Remember the Political Science professor a few stories over that said algebra wasn't important? He probably likes this story with its rigorous methodology!
2. Facebook is using its money passably well to make itself Too Big To Fail. I can't recall any other corporate entity (except maybe Google) being posited as this kind of social requirement for all phases of being the only way to prove yourself. They're crossing over from simple ad sales to inserting themselves into the What Do You Have To Hide propaganda.
Oh I know this one! (Satire coming!)
http://www.realultimatepower.net/ninja/ninja2.htm
Hi, this site is all about ninjas, REAL NINJAS. This site is awesome. My name is Robert and I can't stop thinking about ninjas. These guys are cool; and by cool, I mean totally sweet.
Facts:
1. Ninjas are mammals.
2. Ninjas fight ALL the time.
3. The purpose of the ninja is to flip out and kill people.
Therefore:
1. All mammals are Ninjas and Homo Sapiens are a subset of mammals
2. The purpose of Ninjas is to flip out and kill people
3. Therefore all homo sapiens are murderers that flip out and kill people!
Yeah, I also come from the school of internet thought that said "limit your real name on the net, it's the content not the person". I've worked pretty hard to build a "Web Brand" across a bunch of sites, while searching my real name leads to a fairly tame set of results. As I like to say, anyone that motivated can figure out the connection in under an hour, but it's a base level of veneer to slow down the most important cases like snooping HR and spammers.
There was a site that made me REALLY angry when I was about to "post a comment using Yahoo" and then the comment software *ignored* my handle and grabbed my *real* first name off my Yahoo mail account!
So I agree: heavy handed real name policies make me suspicious in the larger context of overall surveillance moves going on.
Come on mods, this is "only" +2? This comment practically ends this entire discussion!
"Journalists + Jargon: Good or Bad?" Being the article? And everyone got to talking about God Particles?
We're *Techies*! (Well you are, I am a self-deprecating wannabe, but you get my drift.) The minute anyone goes for a +5 Informative (not Insightful, which cake for humanities types like me to get), but *Informative*, you're gonna get ... wait for it ... Jargon! I had no idea what a DOI was. (Oh no! It's Jargon! We can't have that, make it simple, call it an "Intertubezwebs thingie"!)
We've spent entire threads bemoaning/laughing at NewbsWithNoLawnz ... which is another way to say that we know that particular article's Jargon, and they don't. But Jargon is in the eye of the beholder, so the same article in two different markets creates two different results of audience perception. Uh, I mean, Dem Readerz will Like you on Facebook one way and send you LolCats and the other will study your reasoned critique.
Interesting that Slashdot is a fairly Linear medium, the comments show up in some pseudo-organic manner and whatever butterfly-fluctuations of the order they show up in makes the mood of the thread. Limited by my own frailties, I have long been interested with the early themes of multiple versions of the same text, so that the readers can choose *their own version* of the article. If you want the cheap pop, read the 400 inflammatory words. If you want the details, click "show advanced" etc and read the 4,000 word version.
This was one of the early goals of the old Hypertext Theorists, but with the mechanics of Forum Posting mechanics, we're back to static 1-version comments.
Let's bring the Weather Girls into this. They wanted to talk about the Reigning Men.
Oh, I know this one, this was how Microsoft used to do Vaporware Marketing!
You're getting +Funnies, but it's a legit part of the equation.
A thundering famous example is cargo shipping stuff from China. China, as we all know, is the poster country for Non-Expensive, and just to amuse the /. crowd, I'll use the example where a businessman lost $100,000 because his shipment of Justin Bieber dolls took too long to arrive and then they had a haircut that was no longer good.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2046881/Justin-Bieber-haircut-cost-doll-company-100-000.html
The other more harmless example is US Mail's Bulk Rate shipping.
Naw, you have it right - every not counting weasely TOS tricks, every post on the internet and *every graphic file* are copyrighted. So it really is a scary double standard that is going to get very dangerous very quick when someone with a big pocket makes precisely the point that you do and audits the **AA to find them in violation of the copyright on "small works" (such as these forum posts.)
Here we go, now you have an interesting new wrinkle. Dilbert and the De-Motivator posters are funny for a reason. At 22, you and others like you are coming to the game white hot and exploding with energy. But if people end up in a couple different companies with culture problems, eventually an under-paid salary creeps up on you.
I read through most of the comments and here's a different slant on things. I'm modestly clever at those kinds of "low level fixes" that get Today's Problem solved, but a long time ago I decided I didn't want to be a raw IT worker. So I went the business route and then used my secondary IT knowledge like a satellite help desk in the main office where those kinds of quick fixes became very useful.
As I got older, tech itself did become less interesting, and I'm glad I have a second angle. You might find interesting things about yourself if you sat down one day and said "what *second* profession do I want to be good at?" If the answer is "nothing", there's one warning sign. And if you do find one, you might find your energy to learn every last detail on the tech side slipping! : )
Yeah, count me in on the XP Meta-Game. Six years ago I built a custom comp to ride out XP past all this ephemeral crap, then finally at the last minute upgrade to the results of the future of computing. But what we learned from XP is that tons of basic programs and work hit a sweet spot, so upgrades weren't necessary. If my machine holds out long enough, I want to find out the subsequent results of the Windows 8, whether it becomes like a Zune and gets trashed or if by Windows 9 it becomes really worth moving to finally. But I have to hold out for one more generation.
See that's just it, the PC market is half as much an albatross as it is a cash cow - MS really *can't* abandon the PC market, because for better or worse through all their OEM deals, they made it. If they ditch PC's to become the Zune of Mobile, they'll croak and we'll see chaos that hasn't been seen since 1985 with some 7 vendors fighting it out.
That would cause *billions* of conversion damage.
Actually that's an interesting problem in itself. "What constitutes hard" in a sudoku puzzle? Maybe he meant that there are differences of opinion on whether one type of concept is numerically more difficult than another combined with the depth of the process, aka a harder extension of an easier concept vs an easier extension of a harder concept.
If you allow the first premise, the odds on the rest are pretty good.
An alien "good enough" to get here at all would then have good scans.For humor's sake, let's even suggest a "sloppy" infrared scan. "There's billions of heat signatures moving around. That's Not Right."
So then faced with absolute proof, why not just land the thing? Why get all freaked and stay hidden?
The ultra depressing thing is that if they actually did that, it would be some time like 4,000 BC and fuel the writings of Erich von Daniken.
Nah, I trust a couple geniuses among us are pretty good at pointing at something and saying "That's Not Right". (The rest of the decoding is a different problem.)
I think it's just the crappy distance problem. As a Civilization transmitting waves, we basically have only some 125 years. For the LightSpeed Distance problem, that's a pretty narrow window. Just because *now* we're ready, is the problem. "We want it all, and we want it now." It's our bad luck (for example) a civilization held together for 1000 years but at the time we were doing the Ancient Greece - Egyptian deal.
Nice start, but I think we have the wrong word.
"Myth" usually means a story that not only can't be traced but has elements of outright imagination in it.
When we talk about the stories of these company leaders, the word can't be "myth", because it's all right there.
So we need a new word. But you're right, it's tricky. Not Super-Villain, not Super-Hero. Not even "Just Lucky" because I'll agree there's probably hard work in there somewhere.
Just to get this post out there, I'll go with "Cultural Icon". None of the fuzziness of Myths, it's all there - we just don't yet reliably know precisely who becomes Cultural Icons and why. (After all, despite the billions, *Neither* Microsoft, Apple, or Google created Facebook - it took a fourth influence.)
Heh you're too far down and no one will see this, but thanks for the funny reply.
What we're struggling with in this article is that for something like an ad agency, not a military hardware division, how can you possibly lose that much money? That's like saying that you have 100,000 people working for 60k each and you got zilch from it. It's like saying how can you possibly have 100,000 people working on something and have nothing at all (write off) to show for it?
That's why these stories are a mess.
Damn, this is a complicated world.
Thing about Metro is, I'm sure they *did* do research. The question is, "what kind?"
Rumbles are emerging that the old school MS crowd using desktops are going to be in for a ride. MS is apparently betting the farm on some kind of ethereal Mobile-esque strategy.
What I don't get is that the tablets won't run the desktop versions of Apps, so what "Windows" value lies there?
Rule 34, here it comes!
"Can I ... or "want" someone's "like"?
Oh I know this one!
You want to covet thy neighbor's wife!
Yeah, all of my emails are Yahoo, and then they gained even more favor for me as being the Not-Gmail service.
Yeah, I'm starting to enter this group. I'm midline - I run a modified variant of Firefox with AdBlock, Ghostery, Do Not Track, the Collusion plugin, and Private Browsing Mode with history set to zero. And that's about all the energy I have for this stuff.
If all that is not enough, (and it's not), that's the point of the article.