My vote for most appropriate use of this particular meme I've seen......too bad I don't have the mod points and you weren't brave enough to post it yourself.
Point 1: You're missing out. Look for MM and DOTT (Day of the Tentacle - the sequel to MM) both.....or for that matter, MM is embedded in DOTT, so you can play it there, but only later in the game, so if you want continuity, go MM then DOTT.
Point 2: A lot of the humor was about inuendo and ambiguity. So, dialog that promoted that fits quite well with the game.
I saw the clip from an interview with him.....I believe it's on YouTube, but I can't search it from work.....I think it was an excerpt from a G4 show.....
Easier to hide it.....as bad as we all draw (generalizing, real artists excluded), just write "Klara" with a backwards "r" and hang it on the wall.....it will look like a kid drew it for you and no one would be the wiser.
Without purposefully trying to do it in the wrong order, draw a simple picture (pictogram). Now have a friend draw basically the same picture (let him look at yours for a few seconds so that he tries to replicate it exactly). Without having seen you draw yours (and assuming you aren't trying to trick him), it is very likely that they two were drawn in the same way.
Pick the "classic" flower and I'm sure it goes something like this: 1. Draw the center circle. 2. Starting at about 1 o'clock, draw loopy petals in a couter-clockwise fashion. 3. Draw the stem to the ground. 4. Add a leaf (or leaves) starting at the bottom. 5. If you add grass, it would be drawn at this point.
I don't think it would take a lot of remembering to get that down.
Don't current password systems already have this problem?
Here's basically how it works: Type in password. System computes a HASH. System compares computed hash to stored hash. If the hashes match, access is granted.
Now, the likelihood of the hashes matching is really small (at least with the better algorithms), but it is theoretically possible for there to be more than one password that generates the same hash.
Isn't it 24/48th, 24/49th, or 24/50th depending on how many greens (0, 00) are on the wheel? We're talking about a situtation where there are only two (three) options, RED v BLACK (v Green). Now, if they had said that it came up 13 black 13 times in a row, that would be different.
So, 13 blacks in a row is 1/8192 with no greens, or am I just off my rocker?
I think the premise is fine if referring to SIMPLE pictures. As in 1st grade level drawings of common objects. That's what is expected for these password pictures (not that I think it's the best idea). I think most people would recognize a drawing of something as long as that drawing consisted of simple lines and probably no more than 10 to 15 strokes (besides, who wants to have to reproduce a Picasso just to log in). For example, the butterfly I drew took 10 lines (circle, oval, wavy wing x2, antenna x2, wing decor x4). And it is very likely that someone would draw those in roughly that same order.
Of course, this is why I don't think picture (pictogram might be a better word choice) passwords would work too well. People would need to see what they are drawing in order to complete the picture, so shoulder surfing would be a big problem. And people tend to draw simple pictures in the same sequence. So, if I remember "butterfly sitting on the flower with wings open going left", I can probably reproduce the image you drew close enough to "crack" your password.
And here I thought/. was all about self validation.
* You post anonymously, you feel like you are sticking it to society * You post and get modded up, you feel like you contributed to society. * You post and get modded down, you feel justified in your thinking of how much the world is out to get you. * You get mod points, you feel the power of control [and remember, with mod-power comes mod-responsibility] * You get to meta-moderate, you feel omnipotent * You're Cowboy Neal, you feel like it's time for a poorly edited dupe.
I have a Cingular 8125. I think this device size counts. I tried to find a way to hold it that would allow me to see the front and use my fingers comfortable on the back. Here's what I came up with. Thumb and index fingers on each side, middle fingers used for touch interface. It was quite comfortable and touching the screen did not feel awkward (I felt like I had full control over where I was pointing). I had the advantage of a firm grip and two fingers to navigate with.
Single handed operation wasn't quite as comfortable, but it involved cupping the device in a vertical fashion holding it with my thumb and middle finger on the sides and using my index finger to point. It wasn't quite as "natural", but it wasn't impossible, either.
Warm weather climate - that means more than likely moisture in the air (not always, but a good guess). Even if the hand isn't sweating (which I doubt it true but for the sake of argument will assume is true), there's a good chance that the temperature difference between the hand and the air is enough to provide mild condensation. I know that SOMETHING is going on because I live in a warm climate, I've dried my hands thouroughly, and watched them become moist while doing nothing but sitting there. It's either sweat or condensation
So, they should color the back panel green and hope that certain alien species and plants are the only ones that don't want to play? Or maybe go with blue....and hope that flowers, fish, and birds don't want to play?
Actually, I would pronounce it more like loll (similar to lull) if I were to actually say it out loud.
LOL - Loll (but I don't use it that way, I read it as Laugh Out Loud) SQL - Cee-Qwell (sequel) -- but then I do this *EVERY* day, and sequel is "shorter" TCP/IP - we agree XML - we agree OTOH - when I read (or say) this, I actually use all of the words: On The Other Hand......because it hasn't lost it's original meaning. Basically if the acronym is used only in informal written form, I don't "pronounce" it but substitute the meaning.
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My vote for most appropriate use of this particular meme I've seen......too bad I don't have the mod points and you weren't brave enough to post it yourself.
Layne
Point 1: You're missing out. Look for MM and DOTT (Day of the Tentacle - the sequel to MM) both.....or for that matter, MM is embedded in DOTT, so you can play it there, but only later in the game, so if you want continuity, go MM then DOTT.
Point 2: A lot of the humor was about inuendo and ambiguity. So, dialog that promoted that fits quite well with the game.
Layne
How long before they make a lame TV show about it?
Layne
I saw the clip from an interview with him.....I believe it's on YouTube, but I can't search it from work.....I think it was an excerpt from a G4 show.....
Layne
I think it's strong enough that it stretched several periods into commas......
Layne
Yes, but what... is the air-speed velocity of an unladen genetically modified with PEPCK-C swallow?
Layne
Actually, that would be TOO easy to remember.....how many people can just spout of all of the various unlock codes from games?
^v^vBABAStart
IDSPISPOD
etc.
Layne
Easier to hide it.....as bad as we all draw (generalizing, real artists excluded), just write "Klara" with a backwards "r" and hang it on the wall.....it will look like a kid drew it for you and no one would be the wiser.
Layne
Without purposefully trying to do it in the wrong order, draw a simple picture (pictogram). Now have a friend draw basically the same picture (let him look at yours for a few seconds so that he tries to replicate it exactly). Without having seen you draw yours (and assuming you aren't trying to trick him), it is very likely that they two were drawn in the same way.
Pick the "classic" flower and I'm sure it goes something like this:
1. Draw the center circle.
2. Starting at about 1 o'clock, draw loopy petals in a couter-clockwise fashion.
3. Draw the stem to the ground.
4. Add a leaf (or leaves) starting at the bottom.
5. If you add grass, it would be drawn at this point.
I don't think it would take a lot of remembering to get that down.
Layne
Don't current password systems already have this problem?
Here's basically how it works:
Type in password.
System computes a HASH.
System compares computed hash to stored hash.
If the hashes match, access is granted.
Now, the likelihood of the hashes matching is really small (at least with the better algorithms), but it is theoretically possible for there to be more than one password that generates the same hash.
Layne
Dude.....that's brilliant.....think I can start selling those on ThinkGeek?
1. Make poster of Goatse.
2. Make cut outs of phallic images.
3. Package together and sell on ThinkGeek
4. PROFIT!
I don't get it....why is it 1/48th?
Isn't it 24/48th, 24/49th, or 24/50th depending on how many greens (0, 00) are on the wheel? We're talking about a situtation where there are only two (three) options, RED v BLACK (v Green). Now, if they had said that it came up 13 black 13 times in a row, that would be different.
So, 13 blacks in a row is 1/8192 with no greens, or am I just off my rocker?
Layne
I think the premise is fine if referring to SIMPLE pictures. As in 1st grade level drawings of common objects. That's what is expected for these password pictures (not that I think it's the best idea). I think most people would recognize a drawing of something as long as that drawing consisted of simple lines and probably no more than 10 to 15 strokes (besides, who wants to have to reproduce a Picasso just to log in). For example, the butterfly I drew took 10 lines (circle, oval, wavy wing x2, antenna x2, wing decor x4). And it is very likely that someone would draw those in roughly that same order.
Of course, this is why I don't think picture (pictogram might be a better word choice) passwords would work too well. People would need to see what they are drawing in order to complete the picture, so shoulder surfing would be a big problem. And people tend to draw simple pictures in the same sequence. So, if I remember "butterfly sitting on the flower with wings open going left", I can probably reproduce the image you drew close enough to "crack" your password.
Layne
And here I thought /. was all about self validation.
* You post anonymously, you feel like you are sticking it to society
* You post and get modded up, you feel like you contributed to society.
* You post and get modded down, you feel justified in your thinking of how much the world is out to get you.
* You get mod points, you feel the power of control [and remember, with mod-power comes mod-responsibility]
* You get to meta-moderate, you feel omnipotent
* You're Cowboy Neal, you feel like it's time for a poorly edited dupe.
Layne
I can count to 1023 on my fingers.....I especially like the number 132.
http://www.intuitor.com/counting/
Layne
Have the natural "no-power" aspect be forward facing, fixed wings......it should glide well enough in that configuration.
Layne
I have a Cingular 8125. I think this device size counts. I tried to find a way to hold it that would allow me to see the front and use my fingers comfortable on the back. Here's what I came up with. Thumb and index fingers on each side, middle fingers used for touch interface. It was quite comfortable and touching the screen did not feel awkward (I felt like I had full control over where I was pointing). I had the advantage of a firm grip and two fingers to navigate with.
Single handed operation wasn't quite as comfortable, but it involved cupping the device in a vertical fashion holding it with my thumb and middle finger on the sides and using my index finger to point. It wasn't quite as "natural", but it wasn't impossible, either.
Layne
Warm weather climate - that means more than likely moisture in the air (not always, but a good guess). Even if the hand isn't sweating (which I doubt it true but for the sake of argument will assume is true), there's a good chance that the temperature difference between the hand and the air is enough to provide mild condensation. I know that SOMETHING is going on because I live in a warm climate, I've dried my hands thouroughly, and watched them become moist while doing nothing but sitting there. It's either sweat or condensation
Layne
So, they should color the back panel green and hope that certain alien species and plants are the only ones that don't want to play? Or maybe go with blue....and hope that flowers, fish, and birds don't want to play?
Layne
Actually, more like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_state_drive
Hybrid drives still have hard drives in them......just with memory up front.
Layne
I'm sure those SSHD's don't use the infringing technology.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_state_drive
Layne
Bad Blood: http://members.chello.at/theodor.lauppert/games/badblood.htm
Knights of Legend: http://home.flash.net/~rayearle/MS-DOS/Knights_Of_Legend.html
I liked those as well.
Layne
Actually, I would pronounce it more like loll (similar to lull) if I were to actually say it out loud.
LOL - Loll (but I don't use it that way, I read it as Laugh Out Loud)
SQL - Cee-Qwell (sequel) -- but then I do this *EVERY* day, and sequel is "shorter"
TCP/IP - we agree
XML - we agree
OTOH - when I read (or say) this, I actually use all of the words: On The Other Hand......because it hasn't lost it's original meaning. Basically if the acronym is used only in informal written form, I don't "pronounce" it but substitute the meaning.
Layne
Best. Explaination. Ever. (Purposefully using CBG form to emphasize/emphasise alternate ways of adding emphasis and pause.)
But I still disagree with using commas for this non-traditional insertion of pauses. An elipse makes a better indicator.
It's a big...red...house.
Layne
When I'm writing in a conversational manner, I use commas for short pauses......and I use a trail of elipses to indicate a longer pause.
When I write formally, I use more appropriate punctuation. Longer pauses turn into either new clauses or new sentances.
Layne