Before you go to work for this company, please consider that employees typically must sign a contract agreeing to stay with a company for a specified period or repay all or a portion of company paid relocations expenses.
You can't just cut and run as so many here have suggested.
As an ex-HP employee, I wish that they could get rid of their many layers of largely bad management for a paltry sum of 14.5 million. It would be cheap at twice the price.
Given Microsoft's history of denial, avoidance, and outright dishonesty, stating "Microsoft said it was going to comply, then delivered the required documentation. End of story." strikes me as a little naive.
I believe that before this story ends we will have to judge the quality and accuracy of the documentation as well as Microsoft's willingness to keep it up to date.
I find it far more likely that the cops are going to be doing a little "post-production work" on the videos taken from car mounted cameras, access to which the beaten person can only get after a lengthy court process.
"Bad Cops, Bad Cops. What you gonna do? What you gonna do when they kill you too?"
Please name one company, group, organization, or institution which has partnered with Microsoft which did not end up getting screwed. Among the losers, IBM, Stac and Sybase come immediately to mind.
Do they realize that they are implicitly suggesting that Europeans have bigger brains than Africans? Even if this is true (and I will not comment one way or another), I think they can kiss your careers goodbye.
Fish farming, particularly sea cage farming of saltwater species, has plenty of problems itself. The big five appear to be:
the wastes produced by farming
the fish that escape
the diseases and parasites that occur in farms
the chemicals used to treat diseased fish
the problems of stock depletion and contamination of feed.
Intelligent life springs up everywhere. Then they discover television or its equivalent. Shortly thereafter, they amuse themselves to death(apologies to Roger Waters.) If you disagree, cancel your cable subscription and spend the next couple of months watching only network tv.
They put a high ranking corporate attorney in charge of ethics and somehow didn't expect something like this to happen. How do they think he rose to his position in the first place? I'll bet money it wasn't through 'ethics.'
I believe that corporations should be reigned in on many fronts, but I believe that the current fad of outsourcing, at least in the area of software development, is a self correcting problem. The reason being that it simply does not work. I am a software developer who has ben involved with outsourced development in one form or another since 1995. The best that I have seen is what I would call a qualified success. Meaning that the project didn't out-and-out fail, but it wasn't terribly successful either. The other projects with which I have been involved or observed simply failed, either during development or after release due to the poor quality of the product.
The entire phenomena seems to have been driven top down from corporate managers who listened to the slick sales pitches from companies like Wipro and decided that they could save a few bucks. So they hand down mandates to make this work or else. But they don't really bother to look at the actual outcomes.
Most of the developers and first level managers whom I know have come to the conclusion that it simply doesn't work and there is no way to make it work. At a former employer, the statement was made "Yes they cost a third as much, but it takes three times as long, three times the management, and the quality sucks."
What was perceived as a tactical advantage has in fact become a huge liability and, slow, stupid and greedy as corporations are, it is only a matter of time until somebody screws up the courage to point out the fact that the king is butt naked.
The parent used the word "presume." I take this to mean that we should presume that "each and every time there is an arrest, it is on fully trumped up charges, and no one ever has actually done anything illegal." Roughly translated, this means presumed innocent until proven guilty, which used to be one of the cornerstones of our justice system. Heavy on the used to be.
First off, let me state that I do not believe in telepathy. That said, however, I find the argument put forth to be far to simplistic. The human nervous system is partially electric in nature. How do we know that we are not "spending energy" by sending out impulses "through a physical medium". There are many kinds of radio communication and the electromagnetic spectrum is very large. Are we so sure that we have discovered all forms of electomagnetic communication. As far as the directionality of time, we do not know that it is unidirectional. We assume so because all of our measurements of time have to do with measuring the effect of something moving from a more energetic to a less energetic state. From atomic decay to spring wound watches to ourselves, we measure time by watching something run down. With these types of measurement, of course time appears to be unidirectional.
These attitudes are perhaps justified in a commercial software environment, but I have seen the same trends in corporate IT departments at previous employers. I have found that the progression runs like this:
1. The IT effort becomes increasingly politicized.
2. Old guard IT managers are replaced by political appointees who have no real IT experience.
3. These new managers lack the experience and insight (and often the maturity) to measure the real level of progress in software development and, because they feel that they must have something to measure, schedule becomes the only measurement.
When I began writing software professionally in 1985 (Yes, I am ancient), it was pretty well recognized that a schedule was a tool by which you measured your progress toward a predefined goal. Now days, the schedule is the goal. So because people tend to perform toward there goals, we get schedule. What we don't get is quality, sustainability, customer satisfaction, etc. Also, as an added bonus, we get developer burn-out, high turnover rates, and an us-versus-them mentality between corporate IT and their customers in the business groups that have to use the steaming pile systems produced by these attitudes.
I couldn't agree more with this post. And, as an ex-HP employee, I will add that Carly's attitude did damage at all levels. During her tenure, HP's management changed from being at least somewhat of a meritocracy to being 100% politically driven. I watched the old guard IT managers replaced by individuals who were little more than political appointees. When I left HP, none of the managers above me (all the way to the top) had any hands-on IT experience. Neither did any of their peers. My manager had a masters degree in English. She had been a copy editor before her rise to management. This individual managed the team which was responsible for handling all of HP's customer facing support content. The damage that she and others like her did and the speed at which it happened still amazes me.
Please name one company, group, organization, or institution which has partnered with Microsoft which did not end up getting screwed. IBM, Stac and Sybase come immediately to mind.
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Before you go to work for this company, please consider that employees typically must sign a contract agreeing to stay with a company for a specified period or repay all or a portion of company paid relocations expenses.
You can't just cut and run as so many here have suggested.
Weren't slaves in the antebellum south often said to be "happy" in their positions?
As an ex-HP employee, I wish that they could get rid of their many layers of largely bad management for a paltry sum of 14.5 million. It would be cheap at twice the price.
He even looks somewhat devilish.
If you pay minimum wage, you normally get minimum employees.
I hate you
You hate me
Let's hang Barney from a tree
Given Microsoft's history of denial, avoidance, and outright dishonesty, stating "Microsoft said it was going to comply, then delivered the required documentation. End of story." strikes me as a little naive.
I believe that before this story ends we will have to judge the quality and accuracy of the documentation as well as Microsoft's willingness to keep it up to date.
I find it far more likely that the cops are going to be doing a little "post-production work" on the videos taken from car mounted cameras, access to which the beaten person can only get after a lengthy court process.
"Bad Cops, Bad Cops. What you gonna do? What you gonna do when they kill you too?"
Please name one company, group, organization, or institution which has partnered with Microsoft which did not end up getting screwed. Among the losers, IBM, Stac and Sybase come immediately to mind.
Do they realize that they are implicitly suggesting that Europeans have bigger brains than Africans? Even if this is true (and I will not comment one way or another), I think they can kiss your careers goodbye.
Fish farming, particularly sea cage farming of saltwater species, has plenty of problems itself. The big five appear to be:
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the wastes produced by farming
the fish that escape
the diseases and parasites that occur in farms
the chemicals used to treat diseased fish
the problems of stock depletion and contamination of feed.
See:
http://www.focs.ca/fishfarming/index.asp
http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2000/july12
http://www.davidsuzuki.org/Oceans/Aquaculture/Sal
http://www.westcoastaquatic.ca/article_fishfarms_
And many others.
What I find to be self evident is that the real issue is simply to many people, not enough planet.
Intelligent life springs up everywhere. Then they discover television or its equivalent. Shortly thereafter, they amuse themselves to death(apologies to Roger Waters.) If you disagree, cancel your cable subscription and spend the next couple of months watching only network tv.
They put a high ranking corporate attorney in charge of ethics and somehow didn't expect something like this to happen. How do they think he rose to his position in the first place? I'll bet money it wasn't through 'ethics.'
Liars one and all. Slauhter them, and let Charon ferry them as he will.
significantly less entertainment value,,,
I believe that corporations should be reigned in on many fronts, but I believe that the current fad of outsourcing, at least in the area of software development, is a self correcting problem. The reason being that it simply does not work. I am a software developer who has ben involved with outsourced development in one form or another since 1995. The best that I have seen is what I would call a qualified success. Meaning that the project didn't out-and-out fail, but it wasn't terribly successful either. The other projects with which I have been involved or observed simply failed, either during development or after release due to the poor quality of the product.
The entire phenomena seems to have been driven top down from corporate managers who listened to the slick sales pitches from companies like Wipro and decided that they could save a few bucks. So they hand down mandates to make this work or else. But they don't really bother to look at the actual outcomes.
Most of the developers and first level managers whom I know have come to the conclusion that it simply doesn't work and there is no way to make it work. At a former employer, the statement was made "Yes they cost a third as much, but it takes three times as long, three times the management, and the quality sucks."
What was perceived as a tactical advantage has in fact become a huge liability and, slow, stupid and greedy as corporations are, it is only a matter of time until somebody screws up the courage to point out the fact that the king is butt naked.
The parent used the word "presume." I take this to mean that we should presume that "each and every time there is an arrest, it is on fully trumped up charges, and no one ever has actually done anything illegal." Roughly translated, this means presumed innocent until proven guilty, which used to be one of the cornerstones of our justice system. Heavy on the used to be.
First off, let me state that I do not believe in telepathy. That said, however, I find the argument put forth to be far to simplistic. The human nervous system is partially electric in nature. How do we know that we are not "spending energy" by sending out impulses "through a physical medium". There are many kinds of radio communication and the electromagnetic spectrum is very large. Are we so sure that we have discovered all forms of electomagnetic communication. As far as the directionality of time, we do not know that it is unidirectional. We assume so because all of our measurements of time have to do with measuring the effect of something moving from a more energetic to a less energetic state. From atomic decay to spring wound watches to ourselves, we measure time by watching something run down. With these types of measurement, of course time appears to be unidirectional.
These attitudes are perhaps justified in a commercial software environment, but I have seen the same trends in corporate IT departments at previous employers. I have found that the progression runs like this: 1. The IT effort becomes increasingly politicized. 2. Old guard IT managers are replaced by political appointees who have no real IT experience. 3. These new managers lack the experience and insight (and often the maturity) to measure the real level of progress in software development and, because they feel that they must have something to measure, schedule becomes the only measurement. When I began writing software professionally in 1985 (Yes, I am ancient), it was pretty well recognized that a schedule was a tool by which you measured your progress toward a predefined goal. Now days, the schedule is the goal. So because people tend to perform toward there goals, we get schedule. What we don't get is quality, sustainability, customer satisfaction, etc. Also, as an added bonus, we get developer burn-out, high turnover rates, and an us-versus-them mentality between corporate IT and their customers in the business groups that have to use the steaming pile systems produced by these attitudes.
If you worked in Boise, Idaho and she was six feet tall or better, then that's her. I refer to her as "Psycho Liz"
I couldn't agree more with this post. And, as an ex-HP employee, I will add that Carly's attitude did damage at all levels. During her tenure, HP's management changed from being at least somewhat of a meritocracy to being 100% politically driven. I watched the old guard IT managers replaced by individuals who were little more than political appointees. When I left HP, none of the managers above me (all the way to the top) had any hands-on IT experience. Neither did any of their peers. My manager had a masters degree in English. She had been a copy editor before her rise to management. This individual managed the team which was responsible for handling all of HP's customer facing support content. The damage that she and others like her did and the speed at which it happened still amazes me.
To late.
I am not a consumer, I am a man.
Please name one company, group, organization, or institution which has partnered with Microsoft which did not end up getting screwed. IBM, Stac and Sybase come immediately to mind.