Who cares about the new games? Question is: will every NES game I have in my basement be re-released so I can pay for it again and play it without spending 3 hours trying to get my old (3) NES to work?? The adapters for the controllers are already being made, all I need to do is $250 for the Wii, $? for the adapters, $? for near mint NES controllers, and $5 and I'll be playing Super Mario Bros. like it's 1985.
This is just another part of the big media mess. Look at radio - at first radios paid for radio stations. Once everyone had radios they had to switch to ads. Now it's degenerated to the point where radio is MOSTLY ads. Now we've got Satellite radio, but just like Cable you pay for your own equipment, then pay for the service, then watch / listen to ads to help pay for the content. Ignoring the other uses of televisions for a moment you are paying three times for one ultimate thing (your favorite TV shows).
However, both kinds of radio and television and even the internet have a key difference from most games and all movies: they're services. Someone has to pay for the satellites, the transmitters, and even the cable or other networks. Not so with DVDs and *most* video games. Under no circumstances should you purchase a DVD with ads on it unless you can verify that they're ads you want to see *or* they reduced the cost of the product.
In terms of games, it depends. Does the developer provide an ongoing service? Is that service necessary or simply a means of control or justification for additional costs? Do the ads reduce or (preferably) eliminate the cost of this service? These are all questions we should be asking.
Even ignoring that we are a collective and not a person this is kind of corny. It's awesome they're recognizing the trend towards internet communities of individuals working together for the common good but I can't help thinking that this is a cheesy publicity stunt to increase subscriptions.
The part I don't think you're getting is why they need to do this without getting a warrant. That is, unless you're giving up your rights by default and puting the burden of proof on freedom.
Yes, it's plausible. It was a new design and they clearly rushed it to market in favor of testing / fixing problems. It would be suicide not to quietly fix the problems.
Assuming Apple takes this opportunity to eliminate hardware defects I'm officially declaring Spring 2007 "but a new labtop" season. With Merom, Leopard, Bootcamp, and no more serious hardware problems the MacBooks will be posed to slurp up more market share in the US, if not everywhere.
I don't think you understand much about the marketing situation here. When your competitor has such a huge market share (read: illegal monopoly) you are automatically "not Microsoft." When you're "not Microsoft" bashing Microsoft for its mistakes can and will take you places, not to mention bring a smile to the face of your users. Apple doesn't need to be the nice guy here, all they need to do is continue selling a better operating system.
Sometimes that can be true, but just as often someone does something cool and experimental with a version of Linux and it gets attention later from Apple and/or Microsoft.
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. While it's true that most features of either OS aren't completely new, there's a big difference between the way Microsoft and Apple incorporate them. Apple tends to create innovative new user interfaces (Time Machine) while Microsoft tends to copy features verbatim, even down to icon style and color schemes in some cases (some examples are given in the presentation).
Another key thing to note is WHEN each company incorporates new features. Apple tends to get things first (first in the sense of before Microsoft) and do cool new things with them while Microsoft tends to get them months or years later and does absolutely nothing new or innovative.
As for the Microsoft bashing during the WWDC it was well deserved. Microsoft deserves to be bashed for taking 5 years to develop a new OS and constantly delaying it while dropping many of its biggest features. And no matter how much you want to argue about Microsoft copying off Apple I hope you can at least agree that they're chasing after Apple's iPod and Google's web services like a little dog that got its bone stolen by a bigger one.
Most of the Mac kiddies like myself aren't really claiming that Microsoft is ripping off Apple in the biblical sense, just that Apple is the leader - the one daring to go where Microsoft probably would never have gone otherwise. If you want the latest and the greatest you have to love Apple and wait for Microsoft.
I seriously doubt that the games will run better than they would if they were coded for OS X in the first place, but I'll keep my fingers crossed that they'll run faster than their Windows versions would under Windows on the same machine.
I have to admit this is a little bit creepy. Maybe we should wait for some Slashengineers to take a closer look at this patch. But honestly, government officials already have ability to spy on everything you do and frame you for anything so I'm not even sure a backdoor would accomplish - just makes things easier I suppose.
I realize this might get modded down, but people like you make me sick. It was never ok to shoot an unarmed man in the back, it is even looked down upon in relatively lawless societies. I don't know about the UK, but the US government claims that people aren't guilty until proven innocent (however untrue that may be these days). Again, I don't know about the UK but the US has this little thing in our Constitution called a right to life. Sure, we have plenty of exceptions like abortions, self-defense, war, martial law, and the death penalty, but last time I checked shooting an unarmed man in the back outside of war, self-defense, or martial law was not one of them - I guess it is in the UK.
If you take a moment to consider reasons someone might run from the police maybe you'll reconsider murder as your primary method for detaining suspects:
1) The person may have been subject to torture or beatings by police or other government agents in the past. 2) The person may have been wrongly convicted of a crime in the past. 3) The person may be guilty of a relatively minor crime and not very interested in spending the next 20 years in prison. 4) The person may have a natural reaction of fear - not everyone sees people with guns chasing them and stops to think "surely they're just here to protect me, let me stop so I may be shoved to the ground and handcuffed."
I can go on all day, but if you don't get it now you probably never will.
When you adopt a shooting unarmed men in the back policy, unarmed men adopt weapons and the same exact policy towards police and other government officials.
Where are you getting your info? Apple's market share was falling BEFORE Jobbs took over, since Mac OS X came out and got established it's been on the rise. There was a hiccup with the transition to Intel but now sales are exploding at a much faster rate than those of other PC manufacturers.
Yeah, if they're not going to code natively for OS X why not just switch to Windows to run games? I know everyone says they don't want to install Windows on their Mac, but I'll have one installed either way for research purposes. I'm not going to go around buying Cider versions of games when I can buy the Windows version and get better performance on the same machine.
As for the market share thing, you kids are living in the 1990s. Apple's sales are exploding, they've got a 12% market share in US labtops alone.
In terms of graphics cards, Mac desktops come with your choice of:
What I'm saying is that Cider is a performance hit. It's great for ports, but it really can't be used for the latest and the greatest because you need native performance. I'm concerned that its existence will act like a cane that all game developers will lean on instead of deciding to actually make Mac native versions of their games (or even better, Mac only games).
Honestly I take the opposite perspective on Cider - I think it's going to be horrible for the Mac gaming community. Now, as Apple's market share grows, instead of publishers beginning to consider making native versions (not crappy ports) of their games we're going to see everyone using technologies like Cider that reduce performance instead. I guess it's fine for older games but its advantage in terms of development time is offset by the fact that the latest games won't have "good enough" performance.
Consultants fudging number for the people paying them? Say it ain't so! Next thing you know you'll be able to hire "expert" witnesses to testify in defense of science fiction over science fact... oh, wait.
Apple made no claim its own features were innovative, though their interfaces and integration certainly were. Microsoft constantly talks about innovation, but it doesn't even succeed in creating new interfaces for the features it steals directly from OS X.
It's the difference between putting a new spin on a well liked feature and copy and pasting features from your main competitor.
Everyone here who thinks Apple isn't going to be announcing a new hardware product before the spring is crazy. With Microsoft and others breathing down their necks it would be business suicide to reveal details about a new iPod (or anything that doesn't require a large number of developers - like a desktop or OS) early.
As for Leopard, with Vista coming out near the same time Apple is protecting itself from xeroxing as well as saving buzz engine power for when it's actually needed.
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Who cares about the new games? Question is: will every NES game I have in my basement be re-released so I can pay for it again and play it without spending 3 hours trying to get my old (3) NES to work?? The adapters for the controllers are already being made, all I need to do is $250 for the Wii, $? for the adapters, $? for near mint NES controllers, and $5 and I'll be playing Super Mario Bros. like it's 1985.
This is just another part of the big media mess. Look at radio - at first radios paid for radio stations. Once everyone had radios they had to switch to ads. Now it's degenerated to the point where radio is MOSTLY ads. Now we've got Satellite radio, but just like Cable you pay for your own equipment, then pay for the service, then watch / listen to ads to help pay for the content. Ignoring the other uses of televisions for a moment you are paying three times for one ultimate thing (your favorite TV shows).
However, both kinds of radio and television and even the internet have a key difference from most games and all movies: they're services. Someone has to pay for the satellites, the transmitters, and even the cable or other networks. Not so with DVDs and *most* video games. Under no circumstances should you purchase a DVD with ads on it unless you can verify that they're ads you want to see *or* they reduced the cost of the product.
In terms of games, it depends. Does the developer provide an ongoing service? Is that service necessary or simply a means of control or justification for additional costs? Do the ads reduce or (preferably) eliminate the cost of this service? These are all questions we should be asking.
Even ignoring that we are a collective and not a person this is kind of corny. It's awesome they're recognizing the trend towards internet communities of individuals working together for the common good but I can't help thinking that this is a cheesy publicity stunt to increase subscriptions.
The part I don't think you're getting is why they need to do this without getting a warrant. That is, unless you're giving up your rights by default and puting the burden of proof on freedom.
Yes, it's plausible. It was a new design and they clearly rushed it to market in favor of testing / fixing problems. It would be suicide not to quietly fix the problems.
I apologize for being used to fancy sites - you know, the ones with edit buttons.
Assuming Apple takes this opportunity to eliminate hardware defects I'm officially declaring Spring 2007 "but a new labtop" season. With Merom, Leopard, Bootcamp, and no more serious hardware problems the MacBooks will be posed to slurp up more market share in the US, if not everywhere.
I don't think you understand much about the marketing situation here. When your competitor has such a huge market share (read: illegal monopoly) you are automatically "not Microsoft." When you're "not Microsoft" bashing Microsoft for its mistakes can and will take you places, not to mention bring a smile to the face of your users. Apple doesn't need to be the nice guy here, all they need to do is continue selling a better operating system.
Sometimes that can be true, but just as often someone does something cool and experimental with a version of Linux and it gets attention later from Apple and/or Microsoft.
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. While it's true that most features of either OS aren't completely new, there's a big difference between the way Microsoft and Apple incorporate them. Apple tends to create innovative new user interfaces (Time Machine) while Microsoft tends to copy features verbatim, even down to icon style and color schemes in some cases (some examples are given in the presentation).
Another key thing to note is WHEN each company incorporates new features. Apple tends to get things first (first in the sense of before Microsoft) and do cool new things with them while Microsoft tends to get them months or years later and does absolutely nothing new or innovative.
As for the Microsoft bashing during the WWDC it was well deserved. Microsoft deserves to be bashed for taking 5 years to develop a new OS and constantly delaying it while dropping many of its biggest features. And no matter how much you want to argue about Microsoft copying off Apple I hope you can at least agree that they're chasing after Apple's iPod and Google's web services like a little dog that got its bone stolen by a bigger one.
Most of the Mac kiddies like myself aren't really claiming that Microsoft is ripping off Apple in the biblical sense, just that Apple is the leader - the one daring to go where Microsoft probably would never have gone otherwise. If you want the latest and the greatest you have to love Apple and wait for Microsoft.
I seriously doubt that the games will run better than they would if they were coded for OS X in the first place, but I'll keep my fingers crossed that they'll run faster than their Windows versions would under Windows on the same machine.
I have to admit this is a little bit creepy. Maybe we should wait for some Slashengineers to take a closer look at this patch. But honestly, government officials already have ability to spy on everything you do and frame you for anything so I'm not even sure a backdoor would accomplish - just makes things easier I suppose.
I realize this might get modded down, but people like you make me sick. It was never ok to shoot an unarmed man in the back, it is even looked down upon in relatively lawless societies. I don't know about the UK, but the US government claims that people aren't guilty until proven innocent (however untrue that may be these days). Again, I don't know about the UK but the US has this little thing in our Constitution called a right to life. Sure, we have plenty of exceptions like abortions, self-defense, war, martial law, and the death penalty, but last time I checked shooting an unarmed man in the back outside of war, self-defense, or martial law was not one of them - I guess it is in the UK.
If you take a moment to consider reasons someone might run from the police maybe you'll reconsider murder as your primary method for detaining suspects:
1) The person may have been subject to torture or beatings by police or other government agents in the past.
2) The person may have been wrongly convicted of a crime in the past.
3) The person may be guilty of a relatively minor crime and not very interested in spending the next 20 years in prison.
4) The person may have a natural reaction of fear - not everyone sees people with guns chasing them and stops to think "surely they're just here to protect me, let me stop so I may be shoved to the ground and handcuffed."
I can go on all day, but if you don't get it now you probably never will.
When you adopt a shooting unarmed men in the back policy, unarmed men adopt weapons and the same exact policy towards police and other government officials.
Where are you getting your info? Apple's market share was falling BEFORE Jobbs took over, since Mac OS X came out and got established it's been on the rise. There was a hiccup with the transition to Intel but now sales are exploding at a much faster rate than those of other PC manufacturers.
Yeah, if they're not going to code natively for OS X why not just switch to Windows to run games? I know everyone says they don't want to install Windows on their Mac, but I'll have one installed either way for research purposes. I'm not going to go around buying Cider versions of games when I can buy the Windows version and get better performance on the same machine.
As for the market share thing, you kids are living in the 1990s. Apple's sales are exploding, they've got a 12% market share in US labtops alone.
In terms of graphics cards, Mac desktops come with your choice of:
1x NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT 256MB
2x NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT 256MB
3x NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT 256MB
1x ATI Radeon X1900 XT 512MB
4x NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT 256MB
1x NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500 512MB
Methinks new game performance IS an issue.
Apple's market share is growing fast. Macs sales are growing much faster than those of most PC manufacturers.
What I'm saying is that Cider is a performance hit. It's great for ports, but it really can't be used for the latest and the greatest because you need native performance. I'm concerned that its existence will act like a cane that all game developers will lean on instead of deciding to actually make Mac native versions of their games (or even better, Mac only games).
Honestly I take the opposite perspective on Cider - I think it's going to be horrible for the Mac gaming community. Now, as Apple's market share grows, instead of publishers beginning to consider making native versions (not crappy ports) of their games we're going to see everyone using technologies like Cider that reduce performance instead. I guess it's fine for older games but its advantage in terms of development time is offset by the fact that the latest games won't have "good enough" performance.
because none of Microsoft's software products have any flaws...
Consultants fudging number for the people paying them? Say it ain't so! Next thing you know you'll be able to hire "expert" witnesses to testify in defense of science fiction over science fact... oh, wait.
Apple made no claim its own features were innovative, though their interfaces and integration certainly were. Microsoft constantly talks about innovation, but it doesn't even succeed in creating new interfaces for the features it steals directly from OS X.
It's the difference between putting a new spin on a well liked feature and copy and pasting features from your main competitor.
Everyone here who thinks Apple isn't going to be announcing a new hardware product before the spring is crazy. With Microsoft and others breathing down their necks it would be business suicide to reveal details about a new iPod (or anything that doesn't require a large number of developers - like a desktop or OS) early.
As for Leopard, with Vista coming out near the same time Apple is protecting itself from xeroxing as well as saving buzz engine power for when it's actually needed.
Nope, and neither does every mid-range Apple laptop.
Go to Dell's site. You can't make the Mac Pro for less than $3000.
Somebody didn't Google me, I'm 22.
Time to start paying for everything in coins.
I'm beginning to think I'm the only person in an English speaking country without a checking account, credit card, or cell phone.